The only way you can argue the rate was dropping was if you cherry picked the 1995 year which was much lowed than any of the previous years. If you were to plot the rate on a trend line there is limited change prior to 1996.
I don't know if they would hand them in or they wouldn't. In Australia the majority of people did, including myself. I know of a decent number of people who decided to hold on to them as well.
I would however have thought people would have been more likely to hand over their guns then to pull the trigger on a police office doing their job. I'm kinda scared that you think an otherwise law abiding citizen would rather shoot a copper than have a properly licensed and controlled firearm. Note I didn't say ban guns, I suggested making them harder to own and require reasons for people to own them.
How do we do that? The closes before and after I can think of is Australia.
In Australia firearm use in homicide has dropped by nearly half since the their gun laws were brought in. There has been a rise in sharp instrument usage though.
1996 was when the strict gun laws came in and from 1996 back to 1979 only 1990 & 1989 had under 600 gun deaths in a year (595 & 545) respectively. 1997 had 428, 1998 to 2001 were averaging around 320 and from 2002 to 2012 the number floated around the 230 mark.
In the same period homicides, by ANY method, were at the 340 level (range 312 to 360) in the years up to 1996 and then dropped to about the 250 level (ranging from 164 to up to 273) for the period after. Interestingly the total change in homicide rate is close to half the decrease in firearm deaths.
This may totally be the case of correlation and have absolutely no direct link. But that is about the best comparison I can find of a recent before vs after in a developed country.
Information is taken from http://www.gunpolicy.org/firea... I make no statement as to the bias of the website, if any. I also have not done my own rigorous double blind study and acknowledge that statistics can be skewed to paint what ever picture you want it to. I also acknowledge that Australia shares no land borders with other countries meaning illegal importation of firearms is significantly harder, that Australia does not have the level of racial tension as the US, or has a 2nd amendment equivalent, and is just down right a different country.
Not questioning the police shooting number but my understanding is that so far this year there have been 352 mass shootings in America so far, where mass shootings are defined as 4 or more people killed of injured by gunfire in a single incident. That means a minimum casualty count of 1408 so far this year if everyone incident was only 4 people, which we know to be an under estimation.
So not sure how your figure of 1146 being more than all the mass shootings in a decade holds together unless mass shootings have dramatically increased since 2011.
My solution would be to offer a no questions asked buy back of the guns where you are paying over the market value for the weapon. We won't ask where you got it, we won't ask for your name and we will pay you in cash. You will actually create a demand in the black market for people to acquire the guns in order to sell them to the government.
Let that run for a period of time.
Then bring in a weapon licencing system which is a lot stricter on what you can own and why. This will actually be the hardest part as there will be lots and lots of arguments over what should be allowed. But go something along the lines of concealable firearms require licensing per weapon, and a valid reason to own one with self defence being precluded. This would leave things like competitive shoots, work requirements and hunting. Same with rifles. If you want to own an "AK-47" type weapon then you need to show why. What competition or use is it to be for.
Then finally require all weapons to be sold via a broker, even if it is a private sale. This way all weapons are tracked and are much more difficult to shift into the black market. If the broker cost is negligible or zero then it shouldn't be a problem.
This way people who actually want guns for a legitimate purpose can still own them, and own as many as they like. But those people who just want one just because they want one and no other reason will be precluded and the number of weapons on the black market will drop significantly.
There is no perfect solution but if you make things harder for someone to get their hands on a weapon then hopefully it will lower the rate of shootings. They may move to another weapon type, such as a knife, but I really really really would rather go up against someone with a knife then someone with a firearm.
Not to mention the P.E. setup is something that is peculiar to the US. In Australia, NZ, & the UK for example you work towards achieving Chartered status, which you can only do after you have been working in your field for a number of years (5 years is considered damn fast). On top of that various states have additional requirements such as RPEQ in Queensland which is required to sign off on final drawings.
What does become challenging when comparing titles is when you look at a Civil Engineer from the UK and they may have never completed their engineering degree but did a diploma + 30 years of practical experience. In Australia you don't tend to see those called Engineers. It's all different every where you go.
Depends on where you live. Power cost in Australia actually makes it worth considering. For example I have a NAS which has 12GB of storage RAIDZ based on 14 drives and I'm going to replace it this holiday break because new 4 x 6tb hard drives will give me more space and the electricity cost will pay back in 18 months.
I have a 14 drive NAS box based on an old AMD board with 8 sata ports on board and I combine that with a cheap highpoint sas controller to add 8 more ports...
Australia uses a system that is call HECS - HELP to fund students. This is provided to all students by the government and is them funding your tuition fees and then the loan recouped from your earning later in the form of a slightly higher tax rate. The loan provided has interest calculated at the rate of inflation so there are no real penalties in not paying it off quickly.
There is currently a discount of 10% applied to the education fee if you decide to pay it upfront but you are financially better off sticking the money in a bank account than taking that option.
The debt is also structured in such away that any outstanding balance is waived upon death.
Direct copy from wikipedia. Kinda calls out your whole 1/2 the pay bullshit argument.
From the 1930s up until 1980, the average American income (after taxes and inflation) tripled,[12] which translated into higher living standards for the American population.[13][14][15][16][17][18][18][19][20][21][22][23][24][25][26][27][28][29][30][31] Between 1949 and 1969, real median family income grew by 99.3%.[32] From 1946 to 1978, the standard of living for the average family more than doubled.[33]
Average family income (in real terms) more than doubled from 1945 up until the 1970s, while unemployment steadily fell until it reached 4% in the Sixties.[34] Between 1949-50 and 1965–66, median family income (in constant 2009 dollars) rose from $25,814 to $43,614,[35] and from 1947 to 1960, consumer spending went up by a full 60%, and for the first time, as noted by Mary P. Ryan, "the majority of Americans would enjoy something called discretionary income, earnings that were secure and substantial enough to permit them to enter sectors of the marketplace that were once reserved for the affluent."[36]
No worries Coren. I figured you were pretty comfortable in your self and not considering ending it all because of APK. I was just in a grumpy mood last night and fancied kicking a troll.
I have to admit that APK annoys me less than all the Cow goes Moo and Gay Nigga auto posts.
I know I shouldn't do this as it is picking on the disabled. But you and I have a seriously different understanding of crushed if you think Coren came off badly. Mate I don't think there is anyone on this site that gets crushed as often and as repeatedly as you do. You might think Coren has a million sock puppets that are busy downmodding you but the truth is you are the red headed step child of the slashdot family and it's you that gets crushed, not the people you decide to stalk.
I think you need to read about the gearing that is used by the pros. They often tune the gearing of their bike to a particular stage and have only a small number of gears to choose from while riding. You need to minimise the amount of lateral movement there is in the chain otherwise you create a huge powerloss. They even have a number of different crank lengths and will swap them as required.
Of course you can run standardised equipment if you wanted to, but personally I think it would be a huge step in the wrong direction and it would limit the approaches that people can take to win. I think you should have some basic restrictions, such as weight and length but outside of that I don't see a problem in letting manufacturers use sports as a method of improving their products.
What the fuck is wrong with you? Have you considered seeking professional help? Just so you know your attacks on Coren now mean I hold him in much higher regard.
Oh yuck. I must be blocking it somewhere but I'm not sure where. I had ghostery as well and that is blocking a chunk but even with ublock, ghostery and flashblock disabled I'm still not seeing them.
But it makes the news there. In many many other places around the world paid parental leave is simply a given. Also why is it restricted to full time employees?
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What would you suggest the definition should be then?
The only way you can argue the rate was dropping was if you cherry picked the 1995 year which was much lowed than any of the previous years. If you were to plot the rate on a trend line there is limited change prior to 1996.
I don't know if they would hand them in or they wouldn't. In Australia the majority of people did, including myself. I know of a decent number of people who decided to hold on to them as well.
I would however have thought people would have been more likely to hand over their guns then to pull the trigger on a police office doing their job. I'm kinda scared that you think an otherwise law abiding citizen would rather shoot a copper than have a properly licensed and controlled firearm. Note I didn't say ban guns, I suggested making them harder to own and require reasons for people to own them.
How do we do that? The closes before and after I can think of is Australia.
In Australia firearm use in homicide has dropped by nearly half since the their gun laws were brought in. There has been a rise in sharp instrument usage though.
1996 was when the strict gun laws came in and from 1996 back to 1979 only 1990 & 1989 had under 600 gun deaths in a year (595 & 545) respectively. 1997 had 428, 1998 to 2001 were averaging around 320 and from 2002 to 2012 the number floated around the 230 mark.
In the same period homicides, by ANY method, were at the 340 level (range 312 to 360) in the years up to 1996 and then dropped to about the 250 level (ranging from 164 to up to 273) for the period after. Interestingly the total change in homicide rate is close to half the decrease in firearm deaths.
This may totally be the case of correlation and have absolutely no direct link. But that is about the best comparison I can find of a recent before vs after in a developed country.
Information is taken from http://www.gunpolicy.org/firea... I make no statement as to the bias of the website, if any. I also have not done my own rigorous double blind study and acknowledge that statistics can be skewed to paint what ever picture you want it to. I also acknowledge that Australia shares no land borders with other countries meaning illegal importation of firearms is significantly harder, that Australia does not have the level of racial tension as the US, or has a 2nd amendment equivalent, and is just down right a different country.
Not questioning the police shooting number but my understanding is that so far this year there have been 352 mass shootings in America so far, where mass shootings are defined as 4 or more people killed of injured by gunfire in a single incident. That means a minimum casualty count of 1408 so far this year if everyone incident was only 4 people, which we know to be an under estimation.
So not sure how your figure of 1146 being more than all the mass shootings in a decade holds together unless mass shootings have dramatically increased since 2011.
My solution would be to offer a no questions asked buy back of the guns where you are paying over the market value for the weapon. We won't ask where you got it, we won't ask for your name and we will pay you in cash. You will actually create a demand in the black market for people to acquire the guns in order to sell them to the government.
Let that run for a period of time.
Then bring in a weapon licencing system which is a lot stricter on what you can own and why. This will actually be the hardest part as there will be lots and lots of arguments over what should be allowed. But go something along the lines of concealable firearms require licensing per weapon, and a valid reason to own one with self defence being precluded. This would leave things like competitive shoots, work requirements and hunting. Same with rifles. If you want to own an "AK-47" type weapon then you need to show why. What competition or use is it to be for.
Then finally require all weapons to be sold via a broker, even if it is a private sale. This way all weapons are tracked and are much more difficult to shift into the black market. If the broker cost is negligible or zero then it shouldn't be a problem.
This way people who actually want guns for a legitimate purpose can still own them, and own as many as they like. But those people who just want one just because they want one and no other reason will be precluded and the number of weapons on the black market will drop significantly.
There is no perfect solution but if you make things harder for someone to get their hands on a weapon then hopefully it will lower the rate of shootings. They may move to another weapon type, such as a knife, but I really really really would rather go up against someone with a knife then someone with a firearm.
How about comparing the US to another first world country instead of a developing one.
Not to mention the P.E. setup is something that is peculiar to the US. In Australia, NZ, & the UK for example you work towards achieving Chartered status, which you can only do after you have been working in your field for a number of years (5 years is considered damn fast). On top of that various states have additional requirements such as RPEQ in Queensland which is required to sign off on final drawings.
What does become challenging when comparing titles is when you look at a Civil Engineer from the UK and they may have never completed their engineering degree but did a diploma + 30 years of practical experience. In Australia you don't tend to see those called Engineers. It's all different every where you go.
The very first original poster did indicate a desktop. But who puts a XEON in a desktop machine?
Yeah it's why I'm thinking about upgrading.... Hate not being able to fit more than 1-2 movies on it...
Depends on where you live. Power cost in Australia actually makes it worth considering. For example I have a NAS which has 12GB of storage RAIDZ based on 14 drives and I'm going to replace it this holiday break because new 4 x 6tb hard drives will give me more space and the electricity cost will pay back in 18 months.
I have a 14 drive NAS box based on an old AMD board with 8 sata ports on board and I combine that with a cheap highpoint sas controller to add 8 more ports...
Australia uses a system that is call HECS - HELP to fund students. This is provided to all students by the government and is them funding your tuition fees and then the loan recouped from your earning later in the form of a slightly higher tax rate. The loan provided has interest calculated at the rate of inflation so there are no real penalties in not paying it off quickly.
There is currently a discount of 10% applied to the education fee if you decide to pay it upfront but you are financially better off sticking the money in a bank account than taking that option.
The debt is also structured in such away that any outstanding balance is waived upon death.
Direct copy from wikipedia. Kinda calls out your whole 1/2 the pay bullshit argument.
From the 1930s up until 1980, the average American income (after taxes and inflation) tripled,[12] which translated into higher living standards for the American population.[13][14][15][16][17][18][18][19][20][21][22][23][24][25][26][27][28][29][30][31] Between 1949 and 1969, real median family income grew by 99.3%.[32] From 1946 to 1978, the standard of living for the average family more than doubled.[33]
Average family income (in real terms) more than doubled from 1945 up until the 1970s, while unemployment steadily fell until it reached 4% in the Sixties.[34] Between 1949-50 and 1965–66, median family income (in constant 2009 dollars) rose from $25,814 to $43,614,[35] and from 1947 to 1960, consumer spending went up by a full 60%, and for the first time, as noted by Mary P. Ryan, "the majority of Americans would enjoy something called discretionary income, earnings that were secure and substantial enough to permit them to enter sectors of the marketplace that were once reserved for the affluent."[36]
No worries Coren. I figured you were pretty comfortable in your self and not considering ending it all because of APK. I was just in a grumpy mood last night and fancied kicking a troll.
I have to admit that APK annoys me less than all the Cow goes Moo and Gay Nigga auto posts.
I think they need a new slashdot achievement. The "Successfully make APK go insane" award.
I know I shouldn't do this as it is picking on the disabled. But you and I have a seriously different understanding of crushed if you think Coren came off badly. Mate I don't think there is anyone on this site that gets crushed as often and as repeatedly as you do. You might think Coren has a million sock puppets that are busy downmodding you but the truth is you are the red headed step child of the slashdot family and it's you that gets crushed, not the people you decide to stalk.
I think you need to read about the gearing that is used by the pros. They often tune the gearing of their bike to a particular stage and have only a small number of gears to choose from while riding. You need to minimise the amount of lateral movement there is in the chain otherwise you create a huge powerloss. They even have a number of different crank lengths and will swap them as required.
Of course you can run standardised equipment if you wanted to, but personally I think it would be a huge step in the wrong direction and it would limit the approaches that people can take to win. I think you should have some basic restrictions, such as weight and length but outside of that I don't see a problem in letting manufacturers use sports as a method of improving their products.
What the fuck is wrong with you? Have you considered seeking professional help? Just so you know your attacks on Coren now mean I hold him in much higher regard.
Sorry.... I didn't see ads there either.... I had never heard of them as an image host till Johnboy used them.
This is what I am seeing - https://anonimag.es/image/nlt
I've left it so you can see the plugins
Oh yuck. I must be blocking it somewhere but I'm not sure where. I had ghostery as well and that is blocking a chunk but even with ublock, ghostery and flashblock disabled I'm still not seeing them.
Where are you seeing that?
I don't see anything like that on my system. Viewing in Chrome on a linux box running uBlock.
You need to update your sig Coren. Your favourite moron stalker now uses 6 posts of insane drivel.
But it makes the news there. In many many other places around the world paid parental leave is simply a given. Also why is it restricted to full time employees?