I posted this already... go see how blitz++ works.
It doesn't make the language butchered in the least, quite the opposite, the end result is very clear to use and the confusing part is hidden inside the classes, where it cannot cause trouble.
the thing about C++ is, sometimes things are hard, but the reason you do them anyway is because they are worth it, and you can get high levels of abstraction (arbitrarilly high) without taking runtime hits. You have the ability to control your overhead, templates are a great example, especially the examples the parent poster mentions, expression templates, and high performance math libraries.
Blitz++ uses templates in an elegant, mind blowingly cool way. It might not be clear how it works to many, but that doesn't change how it works. Truly beautiful. And it makes the code easier to read, not harder.
but you have to remember that C++ is designed to open up the power of the machine to you, not make you think a particular way or be magical for you.
The onus is on the "our language does it for you" crowd because you were not supposed to say "oh, you have to understand how the VM is working"... right?
Of course, in the end, all languages will have to tell us this "oh, yes, well, you have to know something". Of course you do! It will always be this way.
So choose the most efficient and effective language for you and learn it well, learn a different one if called for, etc.
... from evangelical believers, who, not unlike Microphants, seem to think Java is right for everything!
When it does something poorly, it's as if we're supposed to believe that it's supposed to... not efficient... not supposed to be, machines are fast now... etc.
I agree with you... server side java makes a lot of sense. But are their Java advocates that just want to use Java where it makes sense?
I have a ton of respect for him, the guy is a philosopher.
I wouldn't mind him going Disney with C&H but I sure respect that he didn't, that he likes his characters... that's he's rich enough (the guy could make a billion dollars off that stuff).
It is nice to see a creative person that takes their work, if not seriously, then as something they love.
I hope he's motivated to produce new work some day... it wouldn't have to be a comic to get my attention... I'd read/watch/buy anthing he cared to try!
they want updates. Redhat keeps track of what needs updates. That's what you pay for.
I mean, who cares about the distro... I want the email telling me that wuftp is FUBAR and I need a patch (not to mention I need to turn off wuftp in general).
Wouldn't it be ironic if these GPL companies like RedHat actually turn out to be the wealthy behemoths the counter-culture derides thirty years from now.
You idea that the GPL does not allow profit is like saying that companies cannot profit when they share infrastructure... like the national highway system.
>We have Sunrays (computer terminals) in our lunch room. Our sales reps don't go to their offices anymore. They go to the lunch room and use the Sunrays located in our iWork Cafes in our cafeterias. They put their smart card in and there's your desktop.
>All this will change the whole anthropology of what a company campus looks like.
I think it's great that if you get to Sun earlier than Scott, you can just take his office for the day by putting your smart card in his Sun Ray! What a guy!
I am in this to provide a great return for the long-term shareholders, to provide a great alternative to what I think is an incredibly important problem to solve.
to provide a great alternative important problem? as in, the problem is "How do I get out of this lock in I have with Microsoft?" and the alternative, equally important problem is, "How do I get out of this lock in I have with Sun?"
And to say the important thing is "execution", is Execuspeak for, "My ideas are flawless, it's all your fault if it doesn't actually work." Scott really thinks that Microsoft has proven ideas don't matter, that Microsoft's ideas are bad and it's succeeded.
A: Does anybody see a disparity in that question? We are the one company that has a major market position in every one of the key components in horizontal and vertical (small and large-scale computing) and Web services.
"We have one of two developer communities left on the planet, (Microsoft) . Net being the other. "
Sun and Microsoft are really peas in a pod, they are stuck in their thinking in a couple old models... but, we don't know if they will keep the world at their point, or if the world will move on as it seems it must.
It's not faked... it's been confirmed by press that was over there for the war.
Of course, you can still think it's crap, you don't have to like what he writes after all. But if you think it's not an amazing event in history, you're wrong.
but if it's easy to decipher what's been said, then there is no problem.
If I mispell problem, melbpro. Ok.
If I mispell it probelm, that's probably clear in context.
It introduces some noise in the signal, but very little, far less than using the wrong word or unclear grammar. Note I didn't say "bad grammar" because arbitrary grammar rules are also useless (it's ok to split infinitives now... did you hear?), just unclear grammar. Things that make the message unclear are a problem. Arbitrary rules of english teachers --- not a problem. Here is why.
English teachers didn't invent english. There ARE NO RULES FORMING of english, the language is spoken. It's acted out. The rules are deduced from how people speak! Some of these deduced rules are just stupid. If it doesn't directly affect the ability to comprehend the text, it's pointless.
Language's change all the time, but english teachers give you unchanging rules... hmmm. Oh wait, the rules change too!
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pyrrhonist, as in The Outlines of Pyrrhonism?
I posted this already... go see how blitz++ works.
It doesn't make the language butchered in the least, quite the opposite, the end result is very clear to use and the confusing part is hidden inside the classes, where it cannot cause trouble.
the thing about C++ is, sometimes things are hard, but the reason you do them anyway is because they are worth it, and you can get high levels of abstraction (arbitrarilly high) without taking runtime hits. You have the ability to control your overhead, templates are a great example, especially the examples the parent poster mentions, expression templates, and high performance math libraries.
Blitz++ uses templates in an elegant, mind blowingly cool way. It might not be clear how it works to many, but that doesn't change how it works. Truly beautiful. And it makes the code easier to read, not harder.
IOW, go read how blitz++ works and hang your head in shame that you said Java generics are up to matching C++ templates.
but you have to remember that C++ is designed to open up the power of the machine to you, not make you think a particular way or be magical for you.
The onus is on the "our language does it for you" crowd because you were not supposed to say "oh, you have to understand how the VM is working"... right?
Of course, in the end, all languages will have to tell us this "oh, yes, well, you have to know something". Of course you do! It will always be this way.
So choose the most efficient and effective language for you and learn it well, learn a different one if called for, etc.
At least, I take this to be apparent.
PS: "pyrrhonist"... right on!
>I would be willing to bet the reason they failed is because you do not understand how to use Java correctly.
what a coincidence, it's the same with all the C++ complaints.
>I think he would vehemently disagree with the assertion that the bootleg stuff is in the spirit of Calvin & Hobbes.
yes, I overspoke it.
thanks for the link.
I can't wait to see something from him in another medium. The guy is a genius. I don't mean just a cartoonist genius... but an actual genius.
roflmao
... from evangelical believers, who, not unlike Microphants, seem to think Java is right for everything!
When it does something poorly, it's as if we're supposed to believe that it's supposed to... not efficient... not supposed to be, machines are fast now... etc.
I agree with you... server side java makes a lot of sense. But are their Java advocates that just want to use Java where it makes sense?
except they can't compile away to no-overhead.
right?
in C++ templates are compile-time magic, which is nice... see Blitz++ for examples why.
I have a ton of respect for him, the guy is a philosopher.
I wouldn't mind him going Disney with C&H but I sure respect that he didn't, that he likes his characters... that's he's rich enough (the guy could make a billion dollars off that stuff).
It is nice to see a creative person that takes their work, if not seriously, then as something they love.
I hope he's motivated to produce new work some day... it wouldn't have to be a comic to get my attention... I'd read/watch/buy anthing he cared to try!
but at least it doesn't make it look like Watterson himself sold out... with it printed on kids sheets and the like.
though now I'm sure I don't know what I'm talking about because I'd be buying those sheets, the mugs, the t-shirts....
>Ford ... has nothing to do with technology.
ROFLMAO! I know what you meant... but many would not disagree with what you said, either.
Ford: Technology-free automotives.
whooo, you had to put a time on it, didn't you!
I agree, but it may well be two -decades-, not years.
... well done, you truly have achieved master status. I bow to you.
but why should you hope?
they want updates. Redhat keeps track of what needs updates. That's what you pay for.
I mean, who cares about the distro... I want the email telling me that wuftp is FUBAR and I need a patch (not to mention I need to turn off wuftp in general).
Wouldn't it be ironic if these GPL companies like RedHat actually turn out to be the wealthy behemoths the counter-culture derides thirty years from now.
You idea that the GPL does not allow profit is like saying that companies cannot profit when they share infrastructure... like the national highway system.
but on the positive side, the only Calvin and Hobbes merchendise is counter cultural stuff, which sort of IS in linke with Calvin and Hobbes.
;(
Damn Watterson's lack of a sense of greed! I need you Watterson. A blog, at least?
PS: do you have some cite to support the notion that he stopped doing the strip because of the IP theft, that doesn't seem too credible.
>We have Sunrays (computer terminals) in our lunch room. Our sales reps don't go to their offices anymore. They go to the lunch room and use the Sunrays located in our iWork Cafes in our cafeterias. They put their smart card in and there's your desktop.
>All this will change the whole anthropology of what a company campus looks like.
I think it's great that if you get to Sun earlier than Scott, you can just take his office for the day by putting your smart card in his Sun Ray! What a guy!
I am in this to provide a great return for the long-term shareholders, to provide a great alternative to what I think is an incredibly important problem to solve.
to provide a great alternative important problem? as in, the problem is "How do I get out of this lock in I have with Microsoft?" and the alternative, equally important problem is, "How do I get out of this lock in I have with Sun?"
And to say the important thing is "execution", is Execuspeak for, "My ideas are flawless, it's all your fault if it doesn't actually work." Scott really thinks that Microsoft has proven ideas don't matter, that Microsoft's ideas are bad and it's succeeded.
But no, Microsoft has sound ideas, oddly enough.
A: Does anybody see a disparity in that question? We are the one company that has a major market position in every one of the key components in horizontal and vertical (small and large-scale computing) and Web services.
"We have one of two developer communities left on the planet, (Microsoft) . Net being the other. "
Sun and Microsoft are really peas in a pod, they are stuck in their thinking in a couple old models... but, we don't know if they will keep the world at their point, or if the world will move on as it seems it must.
"I'm An Anonymous Lawyer" ?
morals are stupid!
It doesn't detract from your ideas at all... from my perspective... but from yours it does!
It's not faked... it's been confirmed by press that was over there for the war.
Of course, you can still think it's crap, you don't have to like what he writes after all. But if you think it's not an amazing event in history, you're wrong.
but if it's easy to decipher what's been said, then there is no problem.
If I mispell problem, melbpro. Ok.
If I mispell it probelm, that's probably clear in context.
It introduces some noise in the signal, but very little, far less than using the wrong word or unclear grammar. Note I didn't say "bad grammar" because arbitrary grammar rules are also useless (it's ok to split infinitives now... did you hear?), just unclear grammar. Things that make the message unclear are a problem. Arbitrary rules of english teachers --- not a problem. Here is why.
English teachers didn't invent english. There ARE NO RULES FORMING of english, the language is spoken. It's acted out. The rules are deduced from how people speak! Some of these deduced rules are just stupid. If it doesn't directly affect the ability to comprehend the text, it's pointless.
Language's change all the time, but english teachers give you unchanging rules... hmmm. Oh wait, the rules change too!