I find it somewhat humerous that you and many here are suggesting that you have a right to profit from an illegal or immoral act without repercussions!
VCs are not quiet little investors like little old ladies or clerks with retirment accounts.
They run the show, hire the executives, micromanage the show in many cases. Further, when they shopped for this investment they didn't go to the market and comparative shop based on market statistics, etc... they specifically chose to invest because of the business model, which did happen to involve illegally trading music, like it or not. And in any other case the liability would stop at the corporation, maybe it will in this case after all is said and done.
It's like if VCs went to fund a chop shop knowing it was a chop shop. No protection from liability in that case.
You probably mean the original pyrrho (ancient skeptic philosopher)! But no, I get you point. Certainly, there is an existence there. But with God and gods it's not so clear that they do exist other than in the mind of man. N. seemed to think that if God isn't really metaphysical as advertised, God still exists, and even acts, through man, by virtue of being an idea of man... a wide spread idea.
He was not, in fact, against Abramic religions in general, certainly not judaism, which he thought was a life affirming religion. He judged religions not on their accuracy, for they are all inventions of man according to he and I, but on their utility and form. To believe in spirits to promote creativity and life is a good thing, even if an amount of self deciet happens to be involved (he pointed out the same issues with mathematics, but mathematics is still quite useful and has truth in it, in spite of the errors/approximations of the truth). Judaism he thought was a strong religion, a healthy one, and that Christianity was more or less it's plot and revenge against their oppressors.
>So... it's his word against the thousands of years of writings, experiences, etc.
no, it can't be... as you said, it's not a matter of whose word to take, it's a matter of fact. Pyrrho either exists or does not exist, and although most people do not know he exists (in my case) or existed (in Pyrrho of Ellis' case), he does and he did. Nietzsche could be the lone advocate of his position, and may still be right. It's not a democracy unless N. is right and it's a human idea. Then you could say, "well, we still see the idea widespread in the wild, so how can God be dead if that's what God is?" That would be a good point... N.'s answer was that Buddha's shadow too was said to be shown on a cave wall for 1000 years. It's a bit thick in poetry and semantics at that point.
In the end there is no verifying if "God is dead" or not, and that is not the point of the statement. The real point is to open up the can of worms of what constitutes the real material of God, where does God reside, assenting that God might be imaginary but still exist, and all these related issues.
particularly stupid arn't you. That header says some parts of the code are copyright by Berkeley! MS is giving Berkeley their IP. Yeah right you idiot.
It's common for people to live in denial... but in order to defend some stupid corporation? Why bother?!
But, you're lame claim is actually quite entertaining.. "hey, they didn't use BSD code, they are just releasing windows under the BSD license!" Well, not all of it, just the Winsock header.
>Ancient Greek religion had the idea that if you stopped following a god, that god may cease to exist, but that's not the case with the God that Neitzche thought himself to be referring to.
Having taken latin in highschool I had a rough idea of the ancient condition and even some ancient Mediteranean politics (aka "wars")... and you are right, this is the difference between them seeming accessible. The ideas in Plato or Aristotle are not that alien, they are actually very familiar and many are the ideas our cultures are built on now. In other words, a lot of their ideas are utter crap.
how about this... if you want more daylight in the evening... GO TO WORK AN HOUR EARLIER IN THE SUMMER.
but no... we must pretend to move the sun in the sky instead. Yes, much easier to do that than change when we go to work.
I have this idea, if you want to syncronize yourself to the sun... get up at dawn, or even a fixed time after dawn.
I hate DST. I have an almost (but not quite) unreasonable hatred for DST. One of the best things about living in Hawaii is that I don't have to deal with it. Instead, I get to watch time on the mainland change and everyone acting like nothing has happened. People go on an hour earlier on the morning shows and act like they are at work at the same time. Of course, to me, it's an hour different, because guess what... it really is an hour different. You changed when you went to work but daren't admit it!
Funny. Mass delusion.
Nothing personal btw, and that was a nice little site you pointed to... although the pro-DST stand of course got my hackles up.:)
minor rant (pen testing... heheh) anyway, back to the minor rant.
This drives me nuts. Hire the best person. I hear this a lot in conversations about affirmative action or related judgement questions like this article raises, where one considers adding some "weighted criteria" into the situation.
The idea of "choose the best for the job" is false. There is no objective determination of this for the vast majority of jobs. You are guessing a persons potential. You are guessing the role they really played in past successes. You're guessing if good diction and a nice manner represent a good worker... you are going from a limited set of perceptions.
In short, most hiring is done by feelings. So for example the question is a philosophical question about hiring criminals as crime fighters. Now that I don't have a rant over except to say... pen testing, rofl.
I was going to say the same sort of thing. That Apple//e (I had to pay for half myself from my job in HS) was the key to my whole career, and I've had a more lucrative career than they because of it (although my parents did attend university).
It was the computer. Access to the computer is the secret to my entire career as a software engineer... although the philosophy degree helped.:) I worked my way through college as a programmer, because of that computer (and three great teachers), I arrived at university with saleable skill. Indeed, I could have skipped college, but I didn't want to do that and studied logic instead.
I don't really differ too much with what your saying... I don't think the Sims was designed to torture people by locking them in rooms with no food or water, sooooo OK.
But! You post drips with irony.
"Hey, why can I beat up this guy with a bat, but not this other?" This is the problem they were addressing.
It's a world where you are expected to beat people up with bats... REALISM dictates the rest! well of course it does, but you are a bit more than just started down that road at that point.
code to deal with a 3D model of a person being clubbed. Exactly! The game is about clubbing people. The game is about realism.
The game is about fantasizing this life of crime, and that life of crime includes lots of gross and base possibility... they made that world. It has to be defended for what it is. It can't be defended by saying, hey, it's just an urban simulator... who knew you could steal cars and kill people? wow were we suprised!
It's blood fantasy, when we talk about GTA we are talking about blood fantasy.
Frankly I'm fine with a world where blood fantasy is legal to make and buy... but only if it's also a world where people face facts, don't live in denial about what it is they are playing or phantasizing.
When someone plays a computer game, they are pretending to do what the game presents.
another take on what happened to Novell and it's good system:
They kept Novel Certified engineers prices high. They kept the net cards priced high. They kept everything as expensive as possible and pissed of everyone because for about a decade they were the only player that made sense for a lot of people, especially PC people.
SO: they set themselves up for the fall Microsoft is also trying to make.
(1) piss everyone off.
(2) cost so much that when the competition finally outprices you it's not by a little bit, $1 or $5, but really better, like 1/10 of what you charge.
But don't worry, there are always people that got so hooked they will be good customers until their machines rust.
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I think a good deal of money may have been made at IPO time...?
I find it somewhat humerous that you and many here are suggesting that you have a right to profit from an illegal or immoral act without repercussions!
VCs are not quiet little investors like little old ladies or clerks with retirment accounts.
They run the show, hire the executives, micromanage the show in many cases. Further, when they shopped for this investment they didn't go to the market and comparative shop based on market statistics, etc... they specifically chose to invest because of the business model, which did happen to involve illegally trading music, like it or not. And in any other case the liability would stop at the corporation, maybe it will in this case after all is said and done.
It's like if VCs went to fund a chop shop knowing it was a chop shop. No protection from liability in that case.
... The Hulk was quoted as saying.
You probably mean the original pyrrho (ancient skeptic philosopher)! But no, I get you point. Certainly, there is an existence there. But with God and gods it's not so clear that they do exist other than in the mind of man. N. seemed to think that if God isn't really metaphysical as advertised, God still exists, and even acts, through man, by virtue of being an idea of man... a wide spread idea.
He was not, in fact, against Abramic religions in general, certainly not judaism, which he thought was a life affirming religion. He judged religions not on their accuracy, for they are all inventions of man according to he and I, but on their utility and form. To believe in spirits to promote creativity and life is a good thing, even if an amount of self deciet happens to be involved (he pointed out the same issues with mathematics, but mathematics is still quite useful and has truth in it, in spite of the errors/approximations of the truth). Judaism he thought was a strong religion, a healthy one, and that Christianity was more or less it's plot and revenge against their oppressors.
>So... it's his word against the thousands of years of writings, experiences, etc.
no, it can't be... as you said, it's not a matter of whose word to take, it's a matter of fact. Pyrrho either exists or does not exist, and although most people do not know he exists (in my case) or existed (in Pyrrho of Ellis' case), he does and he did. Nietzsche could be the lone advocate of his position, and may still be right. It's not a democracy unless N. is right and it's a human idea. Then you could say, "well, we still see the idea widespread in the wild, so how can God be dead if that's what God is?" That would be a good point... N.'s answer was that Buddha's shadow too was said to be shown on a cave wall for 1000 years. It's a bit thick in poetry and semantics at that point.
In the end there is no verifying if "God is dead" or not, and that is not the point of the statement. The real point is to open up the can of worms of what constitutes the real material of God, where does God reside, assenting that God might be imaginary but still exist, and all these related issues.
all I know is the Win32 SDKs all have the BSD "parts are copyright by Berkeley" header still, implying that the winsock dlls contain that code.
Nothing wrong with it... why deny it?
particularly stupid arn't you. That header says some parts of the code are copyright by Berkeley! MS is giving Berkeley their IP. Yeah right you idiot.
It's common for people to live in denial... but in order to defend some stupid corporation? Why bother?!
But, you're lame claim is actually quite entertaining.. "hey, they didn't use BSD code, they are just releasing windows under the BSD license!" Well, not all of it, just the Winsock header.
IHBT. I will HAND.
winsock .h headers have the Berkeley header at top explaining parts of the code are from BSD.
If you have a Windows SDK installed, you can find it.
Additionally, it seems they grabbed some socket using applications as well.
yes, wouldn't that be nice!
where did God say that? cave wall perhaps?
>Ancient Greek religion had the idea that if you stopped following a god, that god may cease to exist, but that's not the case with the God that Neitzche thought himself to be referring to.
why not?
...'cause this is my United States of Whatever!
well, yeah, except for God.
I learn something new every day.
That sounds like an awefully small yeild. I didn't think they had them that small.
Having taken latin in highschool I had a rough idea of the ancient condition and even some ancient Mediteranean politics (aka "wars")... and you are right, this is the difference between them seeming accessible. The ideas in Plato or Aristotle are not that alien, they are actually very familiar and many are the ideas our cultures are built on now. In other words, a lot of their ideas are utter crap.
But a good read and relevant.
how about this... if you want more daylight in the evening... GO TO WORK AN HOUR EARLIER IN THE SUMMER.
:)
but no... we must pretend to move the sun in the sky instead. Yes, much easier to do that than change when we go to work.
I have this idea, if you want to syncronize yourself to the sun... get up at dawn, or even a fixed time after dawn.
I hate DST. I have an almost (but not quite) unreasonable hatred for DST. One of the best things about living in Hawaii is that I don't have to deal with it. Instead, I get to watch time on the mainland change and everyone acting like nothing has happened. People go on an hour earlier on the morning shows and act like they are at work at the same time. Of course, to me, it's an hour different, because guess what... it really is an hour different. You changed when you went to work but daren't admit it!
Funny. Mass delusion.
Nothing personal btw, and that was a nice little site you pointed to... although the pro-DST stand of course got my hackles up.
"all please stand witness, you will be amazed.
watch while I move the SUN ITSELF BACK in the sky, ONE HOUR!
there, done!"
"hey, he didn't move the sun, I saw him, he just change the time setting on the clock!"
"did not"
"yes you did"
"not at all, the sun is now in the wrong place, a full HOUR different from where it was yesterday at this time."
"It is not."
"is too"
and so forth.
Right!
The pun has been revealed to much rejoicing.
It did happen to be a pun though.
Hire the best person for the job.
... pen testing, rofl.
minor rant (pen testing... heheh) anyway, back to the minor rant.
This drives me nuts. Hire the best person. I hear this a lot in conversations about affirmative action or related judgement questions like this article raises, where one considers adding some "weighted criteria" into the situation.
The idea of "choose the best for the job" is false. There is no objective determination of this for the vast majority of jobs. You are guessing a persons potential. You are guessing the role they really played in past successes. You're guessing if good diction and a nice manner represent a good worker... you are going from a limited set of perceptions.
In short, most hiring is done by feelings. So for example the question is a philosophical question about hiring criminals as crime fighters. Now that I don't have a rant over except to say
I was going to say the same sort of thing. That Apple //e (I had to pay for half myself from my job in HS) was the key to my whole career, and I've had a more lucrative career than they because of it (although my parents did attend university).
:) I worked my way through college as a programmer, because of that computer (and three great teachers), I arrived at university with saleable skill. Indeed, I could have skipped college, but I didn't want to do that and studied logic instead.
It was the computer. Access to the computer is the secret to my entire career as a software engineer... although the philosophy degree helped.
I don't really differ too much with what your saying... I don't think the Sims was designed to torture people by locking them in rooms with no food or water, sooooo OK.
But! You post drips with irony.
"Hey, why can I beat up this guy with a bat, but not this other?" This is the problem they were addressing.
It's a world where you are expected to beat people up with bats... REALISM dictates the rest! well of course it does, but you are a bit more than just started down that road at that point.
code to deal with a 3D model of a person being clubbed. Exactly! The game is about clubbing people. The game is about realism.
The game is about fantasizing this life of crime, and that life of crime includes lots of gross and base possibility... they made that world. It has to be defended for what it is. It can't be defended by saying, hey, it's just an urban simulator... who knew you could steal cars and kill people? wow were we suprised!
It's blood fantasy, when we talk about GTA we are talking about blood fantasy.
Frankly I'm fine with a world where blood fantasy is legal to make and buy... but only if it's also a world where people face facts, don't live in denial about what it is they are playing or phantasizing.
When someone plays a computer game, they are pretending to do what the game presents.
At least in my opinion.
another take on what happened to Novell and it's good system:
They kept Novel Certified engineers prices high. They kept the net cards priced high. They kept everything as expensive as possible and pissed of everyone because for about a decade they were the only player that made sense for a lot of people, especially PC people.
SO: they set themselves up for the fall Microsoft is also trying to make.
(1) piss everyone off.
(2) cost so much that when the competition finally outprices you it's not by a little bit, $1 or $5, but really better, like 1/10 of what you charge.
But don't worry, there are always people that got so hooked they will be good customers until their machines rust.
you ignore the alarms that went up, and people did things about them, thus averting the real disaster that loomed.
Or the areas where no one warned (or no one listened) and catastophe ensued.