No this is not the ASP loophole. This is a Perl Script(A *big Perl Script)running on a webserver and kicking out html and taking some input. You are not getting a copy of the code or a binary in any normal defination of the term. You have to really stretch the defination of use to get from this to the ASP loophole. The ASP loophole is based on the very simple idea of using an application in the very normal sense of that word. Launching the app, doing something, closing it down. To try to apply that logic to Perl code that creates html and to claim that the html is a derived product (as opposed to the output it clearly is) is just stupid, IMO.
and by that I include coders and us admin types should have no problem in this economy finding jobs. It sounds to be like the end has come. I would take another offer, the good talented people will be ok and in a perfect world the bad ones would be out of work but they will most likely find jobs also.
By that logic so is every other site in the world running Linux or Apache or any other bit of code that is under the GPL. But the simple fact of the matte is you are not starting any application when you go to a website get it. By going to a website you do not start Apache, slashcode, or any other bit of code. It is already running and you are using it. By your logic everytime I type a command into a linux box it would have to give me a copyright notice before it ran my command. That is just silly man. This is well within the spirit of the GPL.
That would be a misunderstanding of the GPL. I'm not going to link to all the discussions on this topic here on/. mostly because I'm too lazy to search for them right now. But in any case. If you read the GPL you only need to distrubute your code if you distrubute a binary. Now you show me where I get a binary if I visit/. or plastic.com. I don't I get content that was created using the code. They are not sending me a copy of slashcode or even allowing me to one therefore they do not need to mention the GPL or make the code downloadable. According to your logic every website that is hosted on a Linux box or with Apache would have to have a link to download Linux or Apache and a copy of the GPL on it. That is clearly not true and it is clearly not true that using slashcode means that they have to make any modifications public they only have to make them public if they distrubute the modifications and in fact they don't even have to make them public then but rather only give the source (Which since this is Perl is a rather odd concept since by default if you have a Perl program you have the source) to any one who they choose to give a copy a too. OF course this has the effect of making it public but that is a side effect. Maybe before you start going on about the GPL you should try to read and understand it.
I would ever see the day when Hemos would be called Mr. Bates by someone. That was just plain scary. Other than that although wrong in a couple of details (I have seen some things *far* below 0 it was a pretty good introduction. Also why is it that/. won't put this link on the front page?
I was in French class in Jr. High and I agree 100% I was in tears and shock. This was just not supposed to happen. I think very few geeks of our age will ever forget that day.
Or better yet boot it with something like the linuxcare business card cd (I love mine BTW) Give it a database of defaults for different laptops (AFAIK the basics don't change as much as with desktops) and have it do the same thing. Could be cool you would still have to avoid stuff like winmodems but that could be a good idea.
Yup but the one thing they would *really* have to do is make it ready to work with more than one distro. I could see RH, Mandrake and Debian about covering 99% of the customer base for something like this. Done well this could be a *great* thing. But if they hack to much of the distro they are going to put people off. If anyone from tuxtops sees this keep in mind balance is the key. Put the modules, drivers, and config files one needs and leave everything else alone. I would pay for that service and so would many other people. OTOH customize too much and I'll just do the work myself.
And the thing that is even more ironic than that is that a MPAA member in good standing made a film saying that "information wants to be free". I am ashamed of MadDog right now. And I *really* like him. I'll get over it, but I would love to ask him "Why, for the love of god, man did you do it?"
You might want to reread my post. I'm advocating building more nuclear plants far from a "liberal greenie" position. The simple fact is the raping of Alaska that I was talking about had nothing to do with the environment (you will notice I did not use the word wilderness) but rather with using up all of that oil on nothing but producing power for users.IMO there are many other better uses for the oil and we should leave it there untill we really need it. The simple fact is nuclear power is cleaner and more healthy for all involved. The disposal issue is not really that tough (only tough really because people can't seem to get past emotion on this issue). And if I might give you a bit of advice try moving to a place that you like. On the other hand if you are as bitter and irrational as this post makes you seem stay in Alaska away from people.
This is true and is at least in part the fault of the coal and oil companies. This is at least part of what my rant is about. We should be looking at real alternatives but instead we are going to go rape Alaska. I'm so proud to be a American....:(
"Some analysts, bolstered by a study declaring that the Internet is responsible for fully 8 percent of all national electricity consumption, assert that the Net itself is responsible for spiking demand to unprecedented heights. The new economy, it seems, is an energy hog. Never mind that other researchers have debunked the 8 percent figure as absurdly inflated. President-elect George W. Bush has already touted it in discussing his energy policy. What better reason could there be to allow oil drilling and coal mining in virgin wildernesses than the need to keep the Net running?"
So we have at worst 8 percent since when does that count as a huge percentage. I mean come on people we could increase 8 percent with just a couple of reactors. Get with the program.
I don't think it is so much that the media is driving anything in the Linux community. I think we have some very smart people (MadDog comes to mind) using the media to tell their story. Many of us would like to make a living working with Linux and the only way to grow the market share so this can come true is to use the media because while we may not care what anyone thinks our PHBs do. I think if anything it is making things a bit better. Look at the recent kernel release and how Linus is trying to assure that it does not break right after being released. I think all in all these gentlemen are responding to the media in a very healthy way and using them to get our goals. IMO a very good thing.
What distro do you use? Does anyone know what distro these fine bearded gentlemen use? Slightly OT, Last summer when Linux Journal published a big picture of MadDog my son thought he was Santa. It was pretty cool.
You could raise $5000 in no time now it would be fun to see if they would let Andover join (I assume it would have to be a corp.) I'm betting they won't. I would also be very shocked if whoever joined did not have to sign a stack of NDAs about a foot tall. I would donate a couple of bucks just to see them try to come up with a reason to deny us. The fact that the government (and while you might question their motives they have people who know enough about security to know that this is not a good thing) is supporting this scares me. I'm not sure why it just scares me on a gut level.
I do agree with you that there is not really enough mindshare out there for them in particular since they are not open. As to moderation it seems to go in odd cycles of strangeness.
What does "open-source competition" have to do with it? Keep in mind msql is *not* OSS. Just because you can get the source does not mean that it is open
The simple fact is we have tools that are as good or better than the tools any government or corp out there have. For example (I link to this all the time but it is because I think they deserve all the help they can get) take a look at rubberhose
. Or if you really want your stuff to be private take a look at this. Either of those tools will help you protect your data. Ok for cruising the web there are a lot of anonymous redirectors out there and ways to encrypt your stuff. Now as to being able to live without someone tracking your stuff. It is possible to live without a credit card not easy and stuff tends to cost more (no shopping on the net) but it can be done. As for credit it is possible to get housing with bad/no credit (trust me I've done it) and you can do the same with a car but then again if you don't want someone to track you you would not be buying a car on credit anyway. As to background checks put some effort into it and figure out a way to make a living where it does not matter. The US military would like you and many of the people in their ranks to think that I am not able to get a job because of the kinds of issues that Jon is going on about. The fact of the matter is because of my skillset I have not had one employeer since I got out check my record and now it is so far in the past I doubt anyone would care. This is only a issue for the lazy and those who don't care. If you really care it is possible and not very hard to live a very private life.
Because you always backup your data. For example what if the hd goes tits up in the middle of the conversion? What if you lose power in the middle? All kinds of things that could go wrong in the middle of the conversion that could cause data loss. But of course you already have full backups of all your data because any of those other things could go wrong at any moment in the day. Don't you? You mean you don't? Maybe you should learn about doing backups before you start play with a new filesystem.:) Have a paranoid day.
In truth/. kind of has it right as most of the ads are very targeted (I said most and yes the anitrust ads were just awful) but many times the ads on/. are for stuff I might really look at and therefore my clickthrough rate here is many times what it is on other sites (one or two a month) and I don't mind seeing most of them. But some other sites (debianhelp.org) have some of the oddest ads for a tech site and I do block them through my firewall at home. So I think like most other mediums those that understand who they are talking to will continue to do fine and those who don't will either get a clue or go away.
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No this is not the ASP loophole. This is a Perl Script(A *big Perl Script)running on a webserver and kicking out html and taking some input. You are not getting a copy of the code or a binary in any normal defination of the term. You have to really stretch the defination of use to get from this to the ASP loophole. The ASP loophole is based on the very simple idea of using an application in the very normal sense of that word. Launching the app, doing something, closing it down. To try to apply that logic to Perl code that creates html and to claim that the html is a derived product (as opposed to the output it clearly is) is just stupid, IMO.
and by that I include coders and us admin types should have no problem in this economy finding jobs. It sounds to be like the end has come. I would take another offer, the good talented people will be ok and in a perfect world the bad ones would be out of work but they will most likely find jobs also.
By that logic so is every other site in the world running Linux or Apache or any other bit of code that is under the GPL. But the simple fact of the matte is you are not starting any application when you go to a website get it. By going to a website you do not start Apache, slashcode, or any other bit of code. It is already running and you are using it. By your logic everytime I type a command into a linux box it would have to give me a copyright notice before it ran my command. That is just silly man. This is well within the spirit of the GPL.
No he is not aware of it. But the rest of us thank you for pointing it out.
That would be a misunderstanding of the GPL. I'm not going to link to all the discussions on this topic here on /. mostly because I'm too lazy to search for them right now. But in any case. If you read the GPL you only need to distrubute your code if you distrubute a binary. Now you show me where I get a binary if I visit /. or plastic.com. I don't I get content that was created using the code. They are not sending me a copy of slashcode or even allowing me to one therefore they do not need to mention the GPL or make the code downloadable. According to your logic every website that is hosted on a Linux box or with Apache would have to have a link to download Linux or Apache and a copy of the GPL on it. That is clearly not true and it is clearly not true that using slashcode means that they have to make any modifications public they only have to make them public if they distrubute the modifications and in fact they don't even have to make them public then but rather only give the source (Which since this is Perl is a rather odd concept since by default if you have a Perl program you have the source) to any one who they choose to give a copy a too. OF course this has the effect of making it public but that is a side effect. Maybe before you start going on about the GPL you should try to read and understand it.
I would ever see the day when Hemos would be called Mr. Bates by someone. That was just plain scary. Other than that although wrong in a couple of details (I have seen some things *far* below 0 it was a pretty good introduction. Also why is it that /. won't put this link on the front page?
I was in French class in Jr. High and I agree 100% I was in tears and shock. This was just not supposed to happen. I think very few geeks of our age will ever forget that day.
Or better yet boot it with something like the linuxcare business card cd (I love mine BTW) Give it a database of defaults for different laptops (AFAIK the basics don't change as much as with desktops) and have it do the same thing. Could be cool you would still have to avoid stuff like winmodems but that could be a good idea.
Please explain your theory that being designed for NT has any bearing on how it will work with a *nix?
Yup but the one thing they would *really* have to do is make it ready to work with more than one distro. I could see RH, Mandrake and Debian about covering 99% of the customer base for something like this. Done well this could be a *great* thing. But if they hack to much of the distro they are going to put people off. If anyone from tuxtops sees this keep in mind balance is the key. Put the modules, drivers, and config files one needs and leave everything else alone. I would pay for that service and so would many other people. OTOH customize too much and I'll just do the work myself.
And the thing that is even more ironic than that is that a MPAA member in good standing made a film saying that "information wants to be free". I am ashamed of MadDog right now. And I *really* like him. I'll get over it, but I would love to ask him "Why, for the love of god, man did you do it?"
Not really *that* special :) but it is pretty sweet hardware.
someone can confirm that the Sparc port of Linux will run on this, I will be getting out my credit cards. This looks really sweet.
You might want to reread my post. I'm advocating building more nuclear plants far from a "liberal greenie" position. The simple fact is the raping of Alaska that I was talking about had nothing to do with the environment (you will notice I did not use the word wilderness) but rather with using up all of that oil on nothing but producing power for users.IMO there are many other better uses for the oil and we should leave it there untill we really need it. The simple fact is nuclear power is cleaner and more healthy for all involved. The disposal issue is not really that tough (only tough really because people can't seem to get past emotion on this issue). And if I might give you a bit of advice try moving to a place that you like. On the other hand if you are as bitter and irrational as this post makes you seem stay in Alaska away from people.
This is true and is at least in part the fault of the coal and oil companies. This is at least part of what my rant is about. We should be looking at real alternatives but instead we are going to go rape Alaska. I'm so proud to be a American....:(
"Some analysts, bolstered by a study declaring that the Internet is responsible for fully 8 percent of all national electricity consumption, assert that the Net itself is responsible for spiking demand to unprecedented heights. The new economy, it seems, is an energy hog. Never mind that other researchers have debunked the 8 percent figure as absurdly inflated. President-elect George W. Bush has already touted it in discussing his energy policy. What better reason could there be to allow oil drilling and coal mining in virgin wildernesses than the need to keep the Net running?" So we have at worst 8 percent since when does that count as a huge percentage. I mean come on people we could increase 8 percent with just a couple of reactors. Get with the program.
I don't think it is so much that the media is driving anything in the Linux community. I think we have some very smart people (MadDog comes to mind) using the media to tell their story. Many of us would like to make a living working with Linux and the only way to grow the market share so this can come true is to use the media because while we may not care what anyone thinks our PHBs do. I think if anything it is making things a bit better. Look at the recent kernel release and how Linus is trying to assure that it does not break right after being released. I think all in all these gentlemen are responding to the media in a very healthy way and using them to get our goals. IMO a very good thing.
What distro do you use? Does anyone know what distro these fine bearded gentlemen use? Slightly OT, Last summer when Linux Journal published a big picture of MadDog my son thought he was Santa. It was pretty cool.
You could raise $5000 in no time now it would be fun to see if they would let Andover join (I assume it would have to be a corp.) I'm betting they won't. I would also be very shocked if whoever joined did not have to sign a stack of NDAs about a foot tall. I would donate a couple of bucks just to see them try to come up with a reason to deny us. The fact that the government (and while you might question their motives they have people who know enough about security to know that this is not a good thing) is supporting this scares me. I'm not sure why it just scares me on a gut level.
I do agree with you that there is not really enough mindshare out there for them in particular since they are not open. As to moderation it seems to go in odd cycles of strangeness.
What does "open-source competition" have to do with it? Keep in mind msql is *not* OSS. Just because you can get the source does not mean that it is open
The simple fact is we have tools that are as good or better than the tools any government or corp out there have. For example (I link to this all the time but it is because I think they deserve all the help they can get) take a look at rubberhose . Or if you really want your stuff to be private take a look at this. Either of those tools will help you protect your data. Ok for cruising the web there are a lot of anonymous redirectors out there and ways to encrypt your stuff. Now as to being able to live without someone tracking your stuff. It is possible to live without a credit card not easy and stuff tends to cost more (no shopping on the net) but it can be done. As for credit it is possible to get housing with bad/no credit (trust me I've done it) and you can do the same with a car but then again if you don't want someone to track you you would not be buying a car on credit anyway. As to background checks put some effort into it and figure out a way to make a living where it does not matter. The US military would like you and many of the people in their ranks to think that I am not able to get a job because of the kinds of issues that Jon is going on about. The fact of the matter is because of my skillset I have not had one employeer since I got out check my record and now it is so far in the past I doubt anyone would care. This is only a issue for the lazy and those who don't care. If you really care it is possible and not very hard to live a very private life.
This is a very bad assed encrypted filesystem. Also take a look at this. So you can have encryption today. Have fun.
Because you always backup your data. For example what if the hd goes tits up in the middle of the conversion? What if you lose power in the middle? All kinds of things that could go wrong in the middle of the conversion that could cause data loss. But of course you already have full backups of all your data because any of those other things could go wrong at any moment in the day. Don't you? You mean you don't? Maybe you should learn about doing backups before you start play with a new filesystem. :) Have a paranoid day.
In truth /. kind of has it right as most of the ads are very targeted (I said most and yes the anitrust ads were just awful) but many times the ads on /. are for stuff I might really look at and therefore my clickthrough rate here is many times what it is on other sites (one or two a month) and I don't mind seeing most of them. But some other sites (debianhelp.org) have some of the oddest ads for a tech site and I do block them through my firewall at home. So I think like most other mediums those that understand who they are talking to will continue to do fine and those who don't will either get a clue or go away.