Giving a child a gun for a present is not inherently dangerous; leaving a loaded gun where children can access it is.
Of course, both acts require a human to physically interact with the weapon, so... what part of "without direct intervention" are you having trouble comprehending?
I don't believe that most people choose their job based on "doing good", but not doing things that are repugnant to your person is always a consideration.
True that - I wouldn't work for most Fortune 500 companies as a matter of principle, risk to my fiscal security be damned.
I still maintain that it's a dick move to sell you a device with cavernous storage then charge you out the ass for trying to back it all up remotely, though.
The entire USA, but it seems to want more specific coordinates.
But seriously, a name-and-shame app for people who are afraid of firearms seems a bit futile in the USA. It would be like a Jew in early 20th century Germany making an app to tag anti-Semitic individuals, institutions, and businesses....
Oop, sorry, you just Godwinned... by Teh Rulez Of Teh Internetz (2010 Edition), that automatically invalidates your argument.
With the popularity of "Stand your ground" laws (Aka cowards law)
You know, that's really funny coming from an Anonymous Coward whose entire post is essentially a list of the nonexistent boogeymen they irrationally fear.
Anyone have an app that Geotags dangerous Professors that are insane like this one?
Consequently, I was considering downloading the app so I could mark the UCSD campus as a dangerous location, due to "self-absorbed elitist professors who show a blatant disregard for civil liberties and the safety of American citizens."
Of course, I had to bail after about 2 minutes on the site as my eyes started to bleed, thanks to what has to be the loudest and most obnoxious background color ever selected.
I know, way too blatant, but used to illustrate a point - you can only sue for libel/slander if what it says isn't true, and it is done in a malicious manner.
Not true - The plaintiff probably won't win if what you say is true, but there's nothing stopping them from using the civil court as a billy club against your financial security.
Here's a gedankenexperiment for you: imagine a gun sitting on the floor in the middle of a room. Now, try to think of all the ways that gun could cause harm to someone, without their direct intervention (i.e., picking the gun up and pulling the trigger).
Let me know if you come up with anything better than, "someone might trip over it."
Protecting data from internal leaks is a complex issue, and pretending "if you are good it won't happen" is idiotic.
I think you're missing the point of those posts; we, collectively, know "do good and you have nothing to hide" is a bullshit rationale, but we find it appropriate in this circumstance considering how the corporate-owned government tells us the same thing every time they want to fuck us out of a couple more civil liberties.
FWIW, asking a crowd like this a question like that at a time like now... a straight answer is probably the last thing most of us are thinking about responding with.
Let's say that the PRISM program managed to stop X number of terrorist attacks. As an NSA employee you might very well consider your work to be of good. Otherwise you would probably not work there. And this is probably true for many types of jobs. Good is a relative term, it depends on the viewer.
You seem to be under the impression that most people have the job they have because they want to "do good."
That is incorrect; the actual reason most people have a job at all is because it's damn-near-if-not impossible to survive today without some form of monetary income.
I'm guessing the dicks at the NSA (yea, that's right, I called you all dicks. Prove me wrong.) do what they do because the paycheck is quite fat; on the other hand, I guess some people would sell their own mother to the slavers for a pack of smokes and a lighter...
If I wasn't the person whose comment you're responding to, I would give you my last mod point.
Also, given the clever and unexpected ways UPS can mangle a package, odds are good that eventually they would arrive fused into a workable single item.
Unfortunately, we'll never know because they delivered it to the wrong address.
Slashdot Mirror
Which is also true for hand grenades, c4 and even nuclear warheads. There is still a reason not everyone is allowed to handle them.
Right, because a .22 pistol is exactly the same as a nuclear fucking weapon.
Nice false equivalence; however, it does lead to the question (at least in regards to grenades and c4), "what reason is that?"
The NSA is under the Department of Defense, which makes it close enough.
These days, it seems more and more like DoD doesn't consider itself part of the military, either...
NSA != military
who is better a CEO who wants a new BMW or the GOV?
The CEO, sadly, because he knows he has to convince me to give him my dollars.
The GOV will just take them by threat of violence.
Which party is that?
The one who wants to limit peoples civil rights and thinks you can't get pregnant from rape? Is that the one you are talking about?
So... both of them, then.
Maybe the US govt can start twampling the 6th through 10th amendments next year
Oh, the FISA kangaroo courts take care of those pretty damn succinctly.
Not to mention, a lot of unhealthy people are in that condition because the don't frequent the medical clinics.
Giving a child a gun for a present is not inherently dangerous; leaving a loaded gun where children can access it is.
Of course, both acts require a human to physically interact with the weapon, so... what part of "without direct intervention" are you having trouble comprehending?
5 minutes at an internet enabled computer or a call to the IT people and i can have my iphone wiped remotely. its supported via the OS
Ah, OK... what that has to do with the content of the post you responded to, I have no idea...
Although it may be true that most people do not work to "do good" they do tend to avoid work they consider manifest wickedness.
I'd believe that if not for all the people working for tobacco companies.
Not everyone considers smoking tobacco to be 'manifest wickedness,' you know.
Smokers, for example.
I don't believe that most people choose their job based on "doing good", but not doing things that are repugnant to your person is always a consideration.
True that - I wouldn't work for most Fortune 500 companies as a matter of principle, risk to my fiscal security be damned.
Hm.
Okay, good points, fair enough.
I still maintain that it's a dick move to sell you a device with cavernous storage then charge you out the ass for trying to back it all up remotely, though.
Sadly, you could probably get away with it if you made the app track Muslims instead of Jews.
Gun guys really do not understand people who are not gun guys.
I would argue that people who generalize don't really understand much at all.
The entire USA, but it seems to want more specific coordinates.
But seriously, a name-and-shame app for people who are afraid of firearms seems a bit futile in the USA. It would be like a Jew in early 20th century Germany making an app to tag anti-Semitic individuals, institutions, and businesses....
Oop, sorry, you just Godwinned... by Teh Rulez Of Teh Internetz (2010 Edition), that automatically invalidates your argument.
With the popularity of "Stand your ground" laws (Aka cowards law)
You know, that's really funny coming from an Anonymous Coward whose entire post is essentially a list of the nonexistent boogeymen they irrationally fear.
Anyone have an app that Geotags dangerous Professors that are insane like this one?
Consequently, I was considering downloading the app so I could mark the UCSD campus as a dangerous location, due to "self-absorbed elitist professors who show a blatant disregard for civil liberties and the safety of American citizens."
Of course, I had to bail after about 2 minutes on the site as my eyes started to bleed, thanks to what has to be the loudest and most obnoxious background color ever selected.
I know, way too blatant, but used to illustrate a point - you can only sue for libel/slander if what it says isn't true, and it is done in a malicious manner.
Not true - The plaintiff probably won't win if what you say is true, but there's nothing stopping them from using the civil court as a billy club against your financial security.
Voice of experience here.
... the app seems like a pretty logical outcome; but not something of any use except to get people worked up.
I dunno, man, I can imagine the lawyers who specialize in libel will find it quite useful indeed...
No.
Here's a gedankenexperiment for you: imagine a gun sitting on the floor in the middle of a room. Now, try to think of all the ways that gun could cause harm to someone, without their direct intervention (i.e., picking the gun up and pulling the trigger).
Let me know if you come up with anything better than, "someone might trip over it."
Protecting data from internal leaks is a complex issue, and pretending "if you are good it won't happen" is idiotic.
I think you're missing the point of those posts; we, collectively, know "do good and you have nothing to hide" is a bullshit rationale, but we find it appropriate in this circumstance considering how the corporate-owned government tells us the same thing every time they want to fuck us out of a couple more civil liberties.
FWIW, asking a crowd like this a question like that at a time like now... a straight answer is probably the last thing most of us are thinking about responding with.
Let's say that the PRISM program managed to stop X number of terrorist attacks. As an NSA employee you might very well consider your work to be of good. Otherwise you would probably not work there. And this is probably true for many types of jobs. Good is a relative term, it depends on the viewer.
You seem to be under the impression that most people have the job they have because they want to "do good."
That is incorrect; the actual reason most people have a job at all is because it's damn-near-if-not impossible to survive today without some form of monetary income.
I'm guessing the dicks at the NSA (yea, that's right, I called you all dicks. Prove me wrong.) do what they do because the paycheck is quite fat; on the other hand, I guess some people would sell their own mother to the slavers for a pack of smokes and a lighter...
Thus, you'll have nothing to hide.
Otherwise, it's a moot point; to paraphrase Mr. Universe, you can't stop the signal, bitch.
If I wasn't the person whose comment you're responding to, I would give you my last mod point.
Also, given the clever and unexpected ways UPS can mangle a package, odds are good that eventually they would arrive fused into a workable single item.
Unfortunately, we'll never know because they delivered it to the wrong address.
My point being, the majority of Android users do have options, albeit not necessarily approved by the Corporate Overlords.
Yes and no. The majority of Android users do not have the necessary knowledge, expertise or confidence to exercise those options.
False equivalence - not knowing about or how to exercise those options doesn't change the fact they have them, and Apple users do not.