"Given the option, I refuse to buy products that are designed to fail within a specific period of time, namely because I'm not an idiot with more money than sense."
Translation: I'm actually quite poor and have a lot of time on my hands and I absurdly think that this phone will be usable for 5 years because I am a cheap bastard... Now get off my lawn before I waggle my Palm Treo at you.
I would be poor if I wasted my money on the newest iShiny that comes out every six months.
Being a cheap bastard, however, I can't argue with, save for the fact that unlike yourself, I actually know who my father is.
Well, if it's overpriced, then the logical response to that would be to find a cheaper alternative that can still do the job, right? So, what other options are there if you need to power your electronic device for 2 weeks without access to power outlets?
Why did you quote me, then change the spelling in my quote to non-English? (Authorised)
Oops, sorry 'bout that - sometimes I forget you limey fog-breathers spell certain words a bit different than we traitorous colonists.
Here's an example of what I meant:
sometime even the use of genuine parts will void a warranty,
Say you buy a Cheby Yugo that came stock with a T30 turbo; you notice that the Yugo also has an option for a T45 turbo, so you go buy one (a 'genuine part' no less), and have it installed on your ride.
2 weeks later the engine grenades. You take it in for warranty service and they tell you it's not covered; 'but why,' you demand, 'I used genuine parts!' 'Yes,' replies the service manager, 'but as the genuine part you put on was not standard equipment on the model you purchased, we don't have to honor the warranty.'
Other end of the spectrum:
sometimes it doesn't matter what part you use, the warranty remains valid.
You go to the local auto parts store and purchase BrakeMeister brand brakes, and install them on your car. a week later, the high pressure line to the caliper explodes. You take the car to the dealership, and they replace the line under warranty, because the brand of brakes you purchased did not have anything to do whit the line failing.
Google "Right to Repair" for further evidence and reading.
"You're thinking of an old-fashioned car, like the Model T. Today's cars don't do that, grandpa. Computer controlled."
B.S.
I don't know about Renault, but in the U.S. all gasoline cars that I know of have an ignition switch that literally shuts off electrical power to the coils, rendering them incapable of firing. This is regardless of whether they are computer controlled. (That's what "ignition switch" means.)
No, the opposite. Open. If I can share the software with my friends, and only I can decide who my friends are, then I am open to distribute the software to anybody. Maybe I have decided to be a friend to the whole world.
The software developed and used for this project is awkwardly dubbed 'friendware', that is it is neither open nor closed, but only available to friends.
Go the way of the auto industry then. Cars are made to be repaired. If you build a car by buying spare parts though, it'll cost you millions. If you don't use genuine parts, you'll lose your warranty. [Authorized] repairers till only use genuine parts too.
That's not necessarily true - sometime even the use of genuine parts will void a warranty, and sometimes it doesn't matter what part you use, the warranty remains valid.
To be fair - you should be sure you're comparing apples to apples.
Would love to, but apparently the product manufacturer is being rather tight-lipped about the specs, so we really have no way of knowing.
Regardless, that doesn't change the fact that, even if lab grade butane were commercially available, you wouldn't be able to refill this unit with it, as it has no refill port.
No, they're still the merchant by technicality (and legality), it's just that they've off-loaded much of the responsibility (and thus, risk) onto the manufacturers of the product they sell.
A merchant is a businessperson who trades in commodities that were produced by others, in order to earn a profit;
In the United States, "merchant" is defined (under the Uniform Commercial Code) as any person while engaged in a business or profession or a seller who deals regularly in the type of goods sold. Under the common law and the Uniform Commercial Code in the United States, merchants are held to a higher standard in the selling of products than those who are not engaged in the sale of goods as a profession/career.
I also note on their main site that their product is "FAA Approved", which your average can of butane at Walgreen's isn't. Perhaps some extra neaty-keano pressurized can technology is involved for that engineering requirement?
Good question; might have something to do with the fact that the cartridges are sealed containers, unable to be refilled or used outside the proprietary device they're designed for.
Regardless, that's not really a selling point for people like me that never fly commercially.
This is simply not true. Stupid as it may seem, Google has set up the Play store so that they are merely the "card processor". I agree that it seems a bit of a stretch, but that's the way it is.
Hence the reason Google doesn't see it as a flaw - it's precisely how the system was designed to work.
However, that does not change the fact the system itself is a flawed process that ignores the conventional consumer/merchant relationship.
For the people asking how the story was amended: Despite the fact that Google refused to comment on the record, I was asked to change the headline (both the homepage headline and SEO headline inside the story), as well as the standfirst and lead (first paragraph). Google's issue was with the use of the word "flaw". Apparently a system that is designed to share users information with developers without their knowledge or permission and without explicitly saying so in any terms of service is not considered to be a flaw. I have no problem amending stories if they are factually incorrect but the fact is neither developers nor customers were aware of this information sharing and Mr Nolan is not the only developer to express concern over having this information at his disposal. There's little reason app developers should have this information. If Google was going to share this information they should have been clear about this from the start. Hope this clears things up.
Ok, so the butane cartridges are available, but the pre-order page isn't up yet at the main site (despite promising to be up over a month ago) and I see nothing on the other link about the actual device to plug the butane cartridges into to convert the butane to electricity.
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If you put parts on a car that did not come with it, of course you'll get no support
If you put 3rd party parts on a car and they don't cause a failure, and they don't fail themselves, of course its covered.
Thus supporting my earlier point that it is not a black or white issue.
Btw, I'm as far away from a limey fog breather as can physically be while still being on this planet.
If that means American or Canadian, then you did spell it wrong.
"Given the option, I refuse to buy products that are designed to fail within a specific period of time, namely because I'm not an idiot with more money than sense."
Translation: I'm actually quite poor and have a lot of time on my hands and I absurdly think that this phone will be usable for 5 years because I am a cheap bastard... Now get off my lawn before I waggle my Palm Treo at you.
I would be poor if I wasted my money on the newest iShiny that comes out every six months.
Being a cheap bastard, however, I can't argue with, save for the fact that unlike yourself, I actually know who my father is.
Well, if it's overpriced, then the logical response to that would be to find a cheaper alternative that can still do the job, right? So, what other options are there if you need to power your electronic device for 2 weeks without access to power outlets?
Dynamo, yo.
The original researchers already demonstrated the technique in their own video. You may be a fan of Darren's, but that link is still spam.
Then don't go to it, douchenozzle.
Really.
If you think hookers are expensive, try getting married!
For some reason my brain is convinced that sentence should end with "to one."
Why did you quote me, then change the spelling in my quote to non-English? (Authorised)
Oops, sorry 'bout that - sometimes I forget you limey fog-breathers spell certain words a bit different than we traitorous colonists.
Here's an example of what I meant:
sometime even the use of genuine parts will void a warranty,
Say you buy a Cheby Yugo that came stock with a T30 turbo; you notice that the Yugo also has an option for a T45 turbo, so you go buy one (a 'genuine part' no less), and have it installed on your ride.
2 weeks later the engine grenades. You take it in for warranty service and they tell you it's not covered; 'but why,' you demand, 'I used genuine parts!' 'Yes,' replies the service manager, 'but as the genuine part you put on was not standard equipment on the model you purchased, we don't have to honor the warranty.'
Other end of the spectrum:
sometimes it doesn't matter what part you use, the warranty remains valid.
You go to the local auto parts store and purchase BrakeMeister brand brakes, and install them on your car. a week later, the high pressure line to the caliper explodes. You take the car to the dealership, and they replace the line under warranty, because the brand of brakes you purchased did not have anything to do whit the line failing.
Google "Right to Repair" for further evidence and reading.
"You're thinking of an old-fashioned car, like the Model T. Today's cars don't do that, grandpa. Computer controlled."
B.S.
I don't know about Renault, but in the U.S. all gasoline cars that I know of have an ignition switch that literally shuts off electrical power to the coils, rendering them incapable of firing. This is regardless of whether they are computer controlled. (That's what "ignition switch" means.)
FTFY. Otherwise, you're dead on.
"So.. closed source, then."
No, the opposite. Open. If I can share the software with my friends, and only I can decide who my friends are, then I am open to distribute the software to anybody. Maybe I have decided to be a friend to the whole world.
Then that's not open source, by definition.
Warlock and Phantasm series.
Gotta love those '80s crapfests!
The software developed and used for this project is awkwardly dubbed 'friendware', that is it is neither open nor closed, but only available to friends.
So.. closed source, then.
Exactly - Google is Walmart, the developers are P&G, Sony, Schwinn, and every other product manufacturer who sells their goods in Walmart.
The fact that Google offloads the responsibility of charging sales tax to the manufacturers is of no consequence to the point.
Hey, give the guy a break - those high-class hookers are expensive!
Go the way of the auto industry then. Cars are made to be repaired. If you build a car by buying spare parts though, it'll cost you millions. If you don't use genuine parts, you'll lose your warranty. [Authorized] repairers till only use genuine parts too.
That's not necessarily true - sometime even the use of genuine parts will void a warranty, and sometimes it doesn't matter what part you use, the warranty remains valid.
This is not a black/white issue.
To be fair - you should be sure you're comparing apples to apples.
Would love to, but apparently the product manufacturer is being rather tight-lipped about the specs, so we really have no way of knowing.
Regardless, that doesn't change the fact that, even if lab grade butane were commercially available, you wouldn't be able to refill this unit with it, as it has no refill port.
No, they're still the merchant by technicality (and legality), it's just that they've off-loaded much of the responsibility (and thus, risk) onto the manufacturers of the product they sell.
I also note on their main site that their product is "FAA Approved", which your average can of butane at Walgreen's isn't. Perhaps some extra neaty-keano pressurized can technology is involved for that engineering requirement?
Good question; might have something to do with the fact that the cartridges are sealed containers, unable to be refilled or used outside the proprietary device they're designed for.
Regardless, that's not really a selling point for people like me that never fly commercially.
This is simply not true. Stupid as it may seem, Google has set up the Play store so that they are merely the "card processor". I agree that it seems a bit of a stretch, but that's the way it is.
Hence the reason Google doesn't see it as a flaw - it's precisely how the system was designed to work.
However, that does not change the fact the system itself is a flawed process that ignores the conventional consumer/merchant relationship.
Yea, you can shove that over-priced, over-hyped bullshit right where the sun don't shine, Bucko.
Obviously not an Apple fan.
Other than the one Macbook I have solely for music production... not particularly, no.
This! I've sold software on Google Checkout/Wallet since day one, and always expect/demand customers data.
What apps? I want to make sure I don't fuck up and give a scammer my personal info by accidentally buying one.
This is not news, this is simply stupid. Of course [Your Local Sleazy Porn Store] get[s] details of THEIR PAYING CUSTOMERS, what's wrong with that?
Do you really need me to explain it?
Unless the purity is the issue or more likely they are selling the fuel cell at a huge loss and the markup on the butane is covering that cost.
Heh, I supposed we'll find out when/if they ever get any inventory ready for sale, won't we?
The article states several times that this applies to paid-for apps, but what about free ones?
Author comment from TFA:
For the people asking how the story was amended: Despite the fact that Google refused to comment on the record, I was asked to change the headline (both the homepage headline and SEO headline inside the story), as well as the standfirst and lead (first paragraph). Google's issue was with the use of the word "flaw". Apparently a system that is designed to share users information with developers without their knowledge or permission and without explicitly saying so in any terms of service is not considered to be a flaw. I have no problem amending stories if they are factually incorrect but the fact is neither developers nor customers were aware of this information sharing and Mr Nolan is not the only developer to express concern over having this information at his disposal. There's little reason app developers should have this information. If Google was going to share this information they should have been clear about this from the start. Hope this clears things up.
Today I learned that app developers don't deserve to be treated like real merchants
They aren't - Google Play is the merchant, the developers are the manufacturers.
Personally, I'd rather not have my contact information sent to the manufacturer of every product I buy.
Ok, so the butane cartridges are available, but the pre-order page isn't up yet at the main site (despite promising to be up over a month ago) and I see nothing on the other link about the actual device to plug the butane cartridges into to convert the butane to electricity.
Oddly, the fuel cartridges are listed as 'in stock,' shipping in May...
Price is $20, for what amounts to less than 2 ounces of butane. In contrast, ~5 ounce can of Ronson butane is about $5 at Walgreens.
Don't think it takes a math major to see what a screwjob this is.