If ever there was a company aching for a PR disaster...
You say that as if modern governments give a shit what their people think.
Protip: They don't. Why should they? If the last 30 years have taught us anything, it's the fact that if someone in government wants to commit an act that is currently criminal, they just make an exception for themselves.
Probably get some great comedy reading the manuals, too, as cut rate electronics sellers usually don't want to tie up any money on wages for people actually capable of translating and editing
When was the last time you read your monitor's manual?
I don't recall ever looking at mine. Not once.
Must be a chick, that's the only logical reason anyone would ever look at a manual.
I think the real issue here, is that people are taking the opinion of some jerk-off blogger* as gospel, with absolutely zero evidence to support his claims.
Maybe, and I know this is a stretch, but maybe they issued a stability update which removed the feature, because it really was causing a stability issue. Crazy, right?
* nothing against the guy personally, I happen to think the vast majority of bloggers are jerk-offs.
I know I can readily go back to working in manual labor (and, sadly, make far more money than I ever have working in IT),
I don't know if you have a special definition of "manual labor" in the US, but in the rest of the world we mean things like carrying bricks on a building site, driving a delivery vehicle or doing gardening.
Sorry, didn't realize that your subjective world view was shared by the 7+ billion people on this planet. Oh, yea, it's not, which in turn means this statement of yours is pure subjective bunk.
And the idea that by doing those sorts of jobs you'll earn more than in IT is just laughable.
Right now, I could quit my $13/hr IT job and go bust down pallets for $22/hr. That's only laughable if you're one of those special types of imbiciles who can't understand that not every geographic location is identical to the one they reside in. For the rest of us, it's a sad reality - most IT workers are not sitting in Silicon Valley offices making 6+ figures a year. Most of us are regular schlubs, trying to eek out a meager existence in what is becoming, more and more, a negative-sum game.
If you mean "working in a manufacturing environment as an engineer who has to get his hands dirty", I still doubt that it's better paid than all but the most junior-level IT job.
I do not mean that at all; where does this assumption that everyone is an engineer come from? Somebody's got to drive the forklifts, load the machines, and maintain the equipment, and such positions typically do not require formal education (but the do tend to pay pretty well, regardless). I can only assume, by the content of your posts, that you've never actually worked in such an environment, and thus your expertise is, put lightly, quite lacking.
The myth that all plumbers earn hundreds of thousands a year is normally heard expressed by whining middle class elitists who can't believe someone has the nerve to charge them for changing a tap washer.
See, now you're being hyperbolic, and that's just sad. What's the old saying? "He who cannot win an argument without resorting to hyperbole and name-calling, has no legitimate argument to begin with," or something to that effect.
Of equal importance, why do so many people, period, assume that the meaning they personally assign to someone else's words is an accurate reflection of that person's intent? Narcissism and/or hubris, I presume.
My statement in no way reflects upon independent contractors who are not me, and to believe so is to ignore the basic reading comprehension skill we all supposedly developed in grade school. Not every statement is a blanket statement.
No disrespect back, but your lack of punctuation and proper mechanics makes your post impossible for me to read. Seriously, run on sentences give me a headache.
To paraphrase a film from my youth, If you fix it, I can parse.
CanHasDIY: [People Really Do That?]... and by "do that," I mean let their employer take control of their personal lives? WTF is wrong with them?
That's the "cultural thing" that they were talking about. Somewhere in the past thirty years or so, along with the stagnation of wages, the collapse of the "middle class," the inexorable creep forward of prices for things like food, housing, and health care, and the antiquation of the notion that workers have rights, it became a buyer's labor market. Most people fear that if they don't toe the line and do what their bosses tell them to, it'd be far too easy to dismiss them (i.e. fire their worthless slacker asses) and hire someone with a more respectful, helpful attitude (i.e. sycophant).
Well said.
And in an era where most people live from paycheck to paycheck and either lack the gumption (or worse, the salary) to save up for emergencies, that fear is a sensible one.
Guess I break the mold on that one, with my 'pay overtime or fuck off' attitude. Of course, being in good health and having extensive experience in manufacturing and maintenance, I know I can readily go back to working in manual labor (and, sadly, make far more money than I ever have working in IT), which tempers my attitude greatly.
I do feel sorry for the unhealthy, pasty-skinned programmers I pass on my way to my cell, er, cubicle... since manual labor is pretty much a no-go for them, they're basically trapped in the employment death spiral you mentioned above.
... and by "do that," I mean let their employer take control of their personal lives? WTF is wrong with them?
I'm a corporate whore for 40 hours a week, and not a second more. They want more of my time, they're paying my outrageous consulting rate, just like everybody else.
If you want to employ gun-toting rednecks then by all means set up in Hicksville. If you want the brightest and the best then you have to go where they want to live whether you like it or not.
Your hubris would be funny, if not so sad...
Seriously, though, if you're looking for the 'best and brightest,' you'd be well served to start your search outside California. Contrary to what residents of that state have convinced themselves, Californians are not the end-all-be-all of human intellect.
Judging from a good portion of their legislation, I would say far from it.
Have to agree with this; I just set up a website for my in-laws business via domain.com (always use coupon code HAK5 - 15% off! Thanks, Darren!), and the total cost for the year is less than $100. Granted, it's fairly basic, but for that price I get unlimited space, bandwidth, subdomains, shit-tons of emails, some handy built-ins like Drupal and PHPbb...
Maybe it's because I'm fairly new to Web 2.0, but I just don't understand what's so expensive about running a website...
None of that excuses why we give people money so they can do drugs, illegal drugs. THEY don't have to take the money, that is their choice.
Have you taken into consideration the potential effects on society of not giving dopers the money they need for their habit? Sure, it sucks to know that you pay taxes so a certain subset (less than 1% of 1%) of society can sit around and smoke/shoot/whatever, but it sure beats the alternative of roving bands of homeless, murderous dope fiends killing and robbing the world blind to pay for their fix.
And I would not be opposed to random testing of our elected officials, considering some of the stuff they say that makes them sound stoned;)
Yea, that's a tough one to argue with, isn't it? Well, if you're not a politician, anyway.
I have to say, when a fellow citizen such as yourself broaches the topic of drug-testing for government assistance (which I oppose, for the obvious stated above, and likely some other, less-than-obvious reasons [closet libertarian]), I tend to react far less venomously than I would if an elected offal, er, official says the same. Of course, you, my fellow American, are likely not suckling from the public teat as our reps do, so your complaint is far more legitimate than theirs.
Yes, I understand there are X factors. However, they hold no bearing to the conversation at hand.
1. You don't count any government assistance, which there is quite a bit at that level.
Don't need to, the math shows that without said assistance, the impoverished would have negative income and thus be incapable of providing themselves the basic necessities.
2. Have you driven through the barrio lately? I lived there for 5 years, most folks have big screen TV's, and really nice cars. How exactly does that happen with your little formulation? I'll tell you, there is a ton of money made that isn't reported to the government. The grey market in the U.S. is huge.
And by what standard, praytell, are you judging the income level of each household? How do you know that those "folks have big screen TV's, and really nice cars" don't also have 5 or 6 incomes? Presuming from your use of the term 'barrio,' I have to assume your rational is pure racism. If it is not, feel free to prove me wrong.
I also support mandatory drug testing of people on GA. If I am required to have drug test as part of having a job, perhaps we should institute the same for people to NOT have one.
It's not law for companies to give pre-employment drug tests; they do that by their own choice.
In the same tone, it is not law that you work at a place that requires drug testing.
Considering that government officials, elected and otherwise, waste a far greater percentage of our national income than the poor do, I would recommend we start the drug tests with them.
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There are chicks in manuals?
... Yea, I suppose you could count Penthouse as a sort of manual...
If ever there was a company aching for a PR disaster...
You say that as if modern governments give a shit what their people think.
Protip: They don't. Why should they? If the last 30 years have taught us anything, it's the fact that if someone in government wants to commit an act that is currently criminal, they just make an exception for themselves.
Probably get some great comedy reading the manuals, too, as cut rate electronics sellers usually don't want to tie up any money on wages for people actually capable of translating and editing
When was the last time you read your monitor's manual?
I don't recall ever looking at mine. Not once.
Must be a chick, that's the only logical reason anyone would ever look at a manual.
Ever.
already have them http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/41/wec.shtml
And, as with so many of these technological "breakthroughs" we see today, Telsa beat them to the punch, a century ago.
I think the real issue here, is that people are taking the opinion of some jerk-off blogger* as gospel, with absolutely zero evidence to support his claims.
Maybe, and I know this is a stretch, but maybe they issued a stability update which removed the feature, because it really was causing a stability issue. Crazy, right?
* nothing against the guy personally, I happen to think the vast majority of bloggers are jerk-offs.
Patent holders win. Consumers lose. Where's profit?
In the pockets of patent attorneys, of course.
Simple solution: we consumers quit our jobs, and all become patent attorneys. It's win-win!
seriously, google had local PC search like 10 years ago with google desktop. apple had it with finder i can't remember when.
... and Microsoft has had it with Indexing for about the same amount of time.
The real story here is how the term "justice system" is no longer an accurate descriptor of American courts.
...the person who prevails does win a job...
...
That has to be one of the most depressing unintentional social commentaries I've ever heard...
I know I can readily go back to working in manual labor (and, sadly, make far more money than I ever have working in IT),
I don't know if you have a special definition of "manual labor" in the US, but in the rest of the world we mean things like carrying bricks on a building site, driving a delivery vehicle or doing gardening.
Sorry, didn't realize that your subjective world view was shared by the 7+ billion people on this planet. Oh, yea, it's not, which in turn means this statement of yours is pure subjective bunk.
And the idea that by doing those sorts of jobs you'll earn more than in IT is just laughable.
Right now, I could quit my $13/hr IT job and go bust down pallets for $22/hr. That's only laughable if you're one of those special types of imbiciles who can't understand that not every geographic location is identical to the one they reside in. For the rest of us, it's a sad reality - most IT workers are not sitting in Silicon Valley offices making 6+ figures a year. Most of us are regular schlubs, trying to eek out a meager existence in what is becoming, more and more, a negative-sum game.
If you mean "working in a manufacturing environment as an engineer who has to get his hands dirty", I still doubt that it's better paid than all but the most junior-level IT job.
I do not mean that at all; where does this assumption that everyone is an engineer come from? Somebody's got to drive the forklifts, load the machines, and maintain the equipment, and such positions typically do not require formal education (but the do tend to pay pretty well, regardless). I can only assume, by the content of your posts, that you've never actually worked in such an environment, and thus your expertise is, put lightly, quite lacking.
The myth that all plumbers earn hundreds of thousands a year is normally heard expressed by whining middle class elitists who can't believe someone has the nerve to charge them for changing a tap washer.
See, now you're being hyperbolic, and that's just sad. What's the old saying? "He who cannot win an argument without resorting to hyperbole and name-calling, has no legitimate argument to begin with," or something to that effect.
Of equal importance, why do so many people, period, assume that the meaning they personally assign to someone else's words is an accurate reflection of that person's intent? Narcissism and/or hubris, I presume.
My statement in no way reflects upon independent contractors who are not me, and to believe so is to ignore the basic reading comprehension skill we all supposedly developed in grade school. Not every statement is a blanket statement.
What will they name releases when they run out of cats?
Slang terms for portions of the female anatomy.
Duh.
No disrespect back, but your lack of punctuation and proper mechanics makes your post impossible for me to read. Seriously, run on sentences give me a headache.
To paraphrase a film from my youth, If you fix it, I can parse.
That's the "cultural thing" that they were talking about. Somewhere in the past thirty years or so, along with the stagnation of wages, the collapse of the "middle class," the inexorable creep forward of prices for things like food, housing, and health care, and the antiquation of the notion that workers have rights, it became a buyer's labor market. Most people fear that if they don't toe the line and do what their bosses tell them to, it'd be far too easy to dismiss them (i.e. fire their worthless slacker asses) and hire someone with a more respectful, helpful attitude (i.e. sycophant).
Well said.
And in an era where most people live from paycheck to paycheck and either lack the gumption (or worse, the salary) to save up for emergencies, that fear is a sensible one.
Guess I break the mold on that one, with my 'pay overtime or fuck off' attitude. Of course, being in good health and having extensive experience in manufacturing and maintenance, I know I can readily go back to working in manual labor (and, sadly, make far more money than I ever have working in IT), which tempers my attitude greatly.
I do feel sorry for the unhealthy, pasty-skinned programmers I pass on my way to my cell, er, cubicle... since manual labor is pretty much a no-go for them, they're basically trapped in the employment death spiral you mentioned above.
The poor, poor bastards...
... and by "do that," I mean let their employer take control of their personal lives? WTF is wrong with them?
I'm a corporate whore for 40 hours a week, and not a second more. They want more of my time, they're paying my outrageous consulting rate, just like everybody else.
Istanbul actually means "in the city" or "to the city" (in medieval Greek).
Not Constantinople?
Sorry, couldn't help mahself...
In rural Missouri, where I hail from, "the city" is any populated area with at least one building over 3 stories tall...
J/k, although, it's only a slight exaggeration...
If you want to employ gun-toting rednecks then by all means set up in Hicksville. If you want the brightest and the best then you have to go where they want to live whether you like it or not.
Your hubris would be funny, if not so sad...
Seriously, though, if you're looking for the 'best and brightest,' you'd be well served to start your search outside California. Contrary to what residents of that state have convinced themselves, Californians are not the end-all-be-all of human intellect.
Judging from a good portion of their legislation, I would say far from it.
Have to agree with this; I just set up a website for my in-laws business via domain.com (always use coupon code HAK5 - 15% off! Thanks, Darren!), and the total cost for the year is less than $100. Granted, it's fairly basic, but for that price I get unlimited space, bandwidth, subdomains, shit-tons of emails, some handy built-ins like Drupal and PHPbb...
Maybe it's because I'm fairly new to Web 2.0, but I just don't understand what's so expensive about running a website...
You don't pay taxes if you're near the poverty line.
Psst - your ignorance is showing.
May want to keep that covered up...
Sorry, thought you were comparing apples to apples ($22,314/fam of 4 from OP, vs your number of $23,000).
Had I known you were being intentionally obtuse by comparing apples and oranges, I would have refrained from responding.
Lesson learned.
None of that excuses why we give people money so they can do drugs, illegal drugs. THEY don't have to take the money, that is their choice.
Have you taken into consideration the potential effects on society of not giving dopers the money they need for their habit? Sure, it sucks to know that you pay taxes so a certain subset (less than 1% of 1%) of society can sit around and smoke/shoot/whatever, but it sure beats the alternative of roving bands of homeless, murderous dope fiends killing and robbing the world blind to pay for their fix.
And I would not be opposed to random testing of our elected officials, considering some of the stuff they say that makes them sound stoned ;)
Yea, that's a tough one to argue with, isn't it? Well, if you're not a politician, anyway.
I have to say, when a fellow citizen such as yourself broaches the topic of drug-testing for government assistance (which I oppose, for the obvious stated above, and likely some other, less-than-obvious reasons [closet libertarian]), I tend to react far less venomously than I would if an elected offal, er, official says the same. Of course, you, my fellow American, are likely not suckling from the public teat as our reps do, so your complaint is far more legitimate than theirs.
1. You don't count any government assistance, which there is quite a bit at that level.
Don't need to, the math shows that without said assistance, the impoverished would have negative income and thus be incapable of providing themselves the basic necessities.
2. Have you driven through the barrio lately? I lived there for 5 years, most folks have big screen TV's, and really nice cars. How exactly does that happen with your little formulation? I'll tell you, there is a ton of money made that isn't reported to the government. The grey market in the U.S. is huge.
And by what standard, praytell, are you judging the income level of each household? How do you know that those "folks have big screen TV's, and really nice cars" don't also have 5 or 6 incomes? Presuming from your use of the term 'barrio,' I have to assume your rational is pure racism. If it is not, feel free to prove me wrong.
I also support mandatory drug testing of people on GA. If I am required to have drug test as part of having a job, perhaps we should institute the same for people to NOT have one.
It's not law for companies to give pre-employment drug tests; they do that by their own choice.
In the same tone, it is not law that you work at a place that requires drug testing.
Considering that government officials, elected and otherwise, waste a far greater percentage of our national income than the poor do, I would recommend we start the drug tests with them.
What crime has an executive level banker committed that they should be arrested for?
Does funding Al Queda and drug cartels count?
I'm not the one making baseless assumptions - OP is.
I'm merely pointing out that the math makes OP's assumptions regarding lifestyle a moot point.