If you assume I was comparing talking point to talking point, then yes, it is wildly inaccurate.
That's not what I was doing, though - I was pointing out that, like Mayday, the Tea Party began as an idealistic grassroots movement... and considering what the TP ended up turning in to (just another arm of the established oligarchy), it's not unreasonable to expect the same thing will happen with Mayday, albeit leaning towards the opposite end of the extremist spectrum.
I don't fault these guys for wanting to fix a broken system, I fault them for not learning from similar situations, and expecting to be able to affect change by doing business as usual.
Your post seemed a reasonable interpretation of pro-life philosophy; although, as my wife and I discussed last night, it's really difficult to pin these folks down to a definite, specific point at which "life begins." Which tends to happen, when your talking about people whose opinion are basically variations on the same sky-fairy theme.
Prune's post, however, appears to be a gross oversimplification of your point, in what appears to be an attempt to mischaracterize your position as unreasonable via reductio ad absurdum.
Well, it doesn't need to, it would just be neat. Open source and all that jazz.
What's wrong with the dozens of already available aftermarket ECU's?
Such as? The only one I've ever heard about was the MegaSquirt, and from what I can tell development stagnated a few years back. Are there others? Can you reference them?
Or even software from companies like Hondata that flash new programmable software on OEM ECU's,
Power programmers most definitely do not meet the criteria.
Now, if you look at Hondata's website, the K-series Programmable ECU seems to be close to what I'm talking about... except the fact that it's not street legal and only works on Hondas.
... Mayday plans to fund politicians to get campaign finance reform legislation passed without the use of a constitutional amendment. Same basic goal, very different methods.
Ah - so it's basically the Tea Party for left wingers?
Remember, the Tea Party came into existence out of a call for massive reform and a return to Constitutional values. And we all see how that turned out - most TP Congresscritters changed their tone and toed the line the second they got into office, my own representative included.
I don't really care who supplies the back end to the 'infotainment system' in my vehicle, so long as it works as I expect it to.
What I really want to see is someone create an open source OS for the vehicle itself, which would be rather useful in many off-road and kit car situations.
Wake me when someone comes up with a Linux based ECU that lets users manage functions like fuel curves and TPS voltages.
If anyone wants to be upset about this issue and is willing to do something about it then join the movement to get corporate money out of politics; full stop.
Let me guess - by dumping shitloads more money into politics?
Yea, that'll work about as well as trying to keep a boat from sinking by filling it with water.
Every time someone responds in this manner, it reminds me of kindergarten.
"BUT LITTLE BOBBY DID IT TOO, WHY ISN'T HE IN TROUBLE???"
Yes, Virginia, past Presidents have been douchebags in the pocket of major corporations... which has precisely fuck-all to do with the fact Obama is one too.
It's been my experience that government agents don't typically have any reservations about "lying out their asses."
If you played the "take a shot when an officer lies" game while watching COPS, everyone in the room would die from alcohol poisoning before the first commercial break.
In the Citizens United case the US Supreme Court did **not** say that corporations are people. A spokesperson for the losing side in the court case gratuitously characterized the decision that way, in other words it was just political spin on the decision.
To be fair, it was Mitt Romney who is credited with coining that phrase ("Corporations are people too, my friend"), not 'a spokesperson for the losing side.'
If these celebrities and other chuckleheads really want to fix the government, they should probably start by retaking freshman Civics and learning what sort of government the Constitution sets forth.
To wit - the word "democracy" appears at least 4 times on the main page, but the word "republic" doesn't even appear once.
If money == speech (or access to speech, or however you want to characterize it), then it logically follows that more money == more speech. But the Constitution guarantees all persons equal rights under law, so the idea that people with more money have more of a right to be heard runs contrary to that tenement.
Fact is, there have been a lot of decisions made on a federal level recently, that directly contradict both the spirit and often, letter of the Constitution.
IMO, what these Mayday people are trying to do is akin to trying to curb NSA spying by installing unsecured IP cameras in their own houses.
The front page of Mayday's site says in big, bold print:
Help us reduce the influence of money in politics!
Right above a big, red GIMMEMONIES! button.
That's funny.
What's hilarious are the 2 possible motivations I see: 1) they're actually trying to 'reduce the influence of money in poltiics...' by introducing a shit-ton of money into politics, or 2) they're fleecing suckers under false pretenses.
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Perhaps he works on the Obamacare website.
If you assume I was comparing talking point to talking point, then yes, it is wildly inaccurate.
That's not what I was doing, though - I was pointing out that, like Mayday, the Tea Party began as an idealistic grassroots movement... and considering what the TP ended up turning in to (just another arm of the established oligarchy), it's not unreasonable to expect the same thing will happen with Mayday, albeit leaning towards the opposite end of the extremist spectrum.
I don't fault these guys for wanting to fix a broken system, I fault them for not learning from similar situations, and expecting to be able to affect change by doing business as usual.
Your post seemed a reasonable interpretation of pro-life philosophy; although, as my wife and I discussed last night, it's really difficult to pin these folks down to a definite, specific point at which "life begins." Which tends to happen, when your talking about people whose opinion are basically variations on the same sky-fairy theme.
Prune's post, however, appears to be a gross oversimplification of your point, in what appears to be an attempt to mischaracterize your position as unreasonable via reductio ad absurdum.
TL;DR - Naw, you're cool, he's the dick.
Ah, but Debian has old software not that bleeding edge new versions of stuff so no disc brakes, only drums
Disc brakes are far from 'bleeding edge,' my 1979 Malibu had them.
Why does your ECU need to run Linux?
Well, it doesn't need to, it would just be neat. Open source and all that jazz.
What's wrong with the dozens of already available aftermarket ECU's?
Such as? The only one I've ever heard about was the MegaSquirt, and from what I can tell development stagnated a few years back. Are there others? Can you reference them?
Or even software from companies like Hondata that flash new programmable software on OEM ECU's,
Power programmers most definitely do not meet the criteria.
Now, if you look at Hondata's website, the K-series Programmable ECU seems to be close to what I'm talking about... except the fact that it's not street legal and only works on Hondas.
... Mayday plans to fund politicians to get campaign finance reform legislation passed without the use of a constitutional amendment. Same basic goal, very different methods.
Ah - so it's basically the Tea Party for left wingers?
Remember, the Tea Party came into existence out of a call for massive reform and a return to Constitutional values. And we all see how that turned out - most TP Congresscritters changed their tone and toed the line the second they got into office, my own representative included.
Yawn.
I don't really care who supplies the back end to the 'infotainment system' in my vehicle, so long as it works as I expect it to.
What I really want to see is someone create an open source OS for the vehicle itself, which would be rather useful in many off-road and kit car situations.
Wake me when someone comes up with a Linux based ECU that lets users manage functions like fuel curves and TPS voltages.
Should have used Debian.
If anyone wants to be upset about this issue and is willing to do something about it then join the movement to get corporate money out of politics; full stop.
Let me guess - by dumping shitloads more money into politics?
Yea, that'll work about as well as trying to keep a boat from sinking by filling it with water.
the current president is mega-corporate bitch;
Unlike which of the previous several?
Every time someone responds in this manner, it reminds me of kindergarten.
"BUT LITTLE BOBBY DID IT TOO, WHY ISN'T HE IN TROUBLE???"
Yes, Virginia, past Presidents have been douchebags in the pocket of major corporations... which has precisely fuck-all to do with the fact Obama is one too.
Conservatives are less likely to use it then liberals. The whole IP monopoly concept is something the conservative love.
Yes, it's likely that a person would believe that if they paid attention to what politicians say rather than what they do.
It's been my experience that government agents don't typically have any reservations about "lying out their asses."
If you played the "take a shot when an officer lies" game while watching COPS, everyone in the room would die from alcohol poisoning before the first commercial break.
Sweet, danke for the info!
So if they clone a human, the clone is not a distinct organism because it's DNA is not distinct from the original, and thus we can do away with it?
Have you ever heard the term, "Gross oversimplification?"
"Citizens_United" Corporations are people too.
In the Citizens United case the US Supreme Court did **not** say that corporations are people. A spokesperson for the losing side in the court case gratuitously characterized the decision that way, in other words it was just political spin on the decision.
To be fair, it was Mitt Romney who is credited with coining that phrase ("Corporations are people too, my friend"), not 'a spokesperson for the losing side.'
Watch the spin yourself.
Sorry, should have been more specific - I was wanting to put some old 16-bit Windows games on there. Got a stack of 'em gathering dust in the corner.
Yes, it is ironic.
Go to Google and search for "Define ironic"
Then read the, I think it was the second, definition.
It's almost verbatim the rationale I posted (better be, I C&P'd most of it).
You're entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts. Now please stop arguing about it, as you've succeeded in ruining the humor.
If these celebrities and other chuckleheads really want to fix the government, they should probably start by retaking freshman Civics and learning what sort of government the Constitution sets forth.
To wit - the word "democracy" appears at least 4 times on the main page, but the word "republic" doesn't even appear once.
If money == speech (or access to speech, or however you want to characterize it), then it logically follows that more money == more speech. But the Constitution guarantees all persons equal rights under law, so the idea that people with more money have more of a right to be heard runs contrary to that tenement.
Fact is, there have been a lot of decisions made on a federal level recently, that directly contradict both the spirit and often, letter of the Constitution.
IMO, what these Mayday people are trying to do is akin to trying to curb NSA spying by installing unsecured IP cameras in their own houses.
It's ironic because their position seems deliberately contrary, and I find the result amusing.
It's trying to beat the system with the tools that are empowered by that system.
Colloquially known as "fighting fire with fire."
Which is also ironic.
The front page of Mayday's site says in big, bold print:
Help us reduce the influence of money in politics!
Right above a big, red GIMMEMONIES! button.
That's funny.
What's hilarious are the 2 possible motivations I see: 1) they're actually trying to 'reduce the influence of money in poltiics...' by introducing a shit-ton of money into politics, or 2) they're fleecing suckers under false pretenses.
Maybe I just have a weird sense of humor.
It would be nice if "fundamental reform" was defined, wouldn't it? I basically do not trust vague platitudes such as "fundamental reform".
The way I see it, if you're trusting anything anyone in a political arena says, you're doing it wrong.
Actions, as always, speak louder.
Sure, way to take my sardonic dig at MS and make it into something, you know, serious. Geez.
Kidding aside, perhaps you can answer a legacy MS question for me: Which is the latest version of Windows that supports 16-bit software?
Trying to build a retro-arcade machine.