I'm using kernel 2.4.0 since its first release too.
No, I too have X-server segfaults, even with a 2.2.14 kernel on a 6.4 SuSE.
Exactly the same problem as yours. I just upgraded my X-server to 4.0.2 and added glx and dri on my config file.
(*not* dri nor glx fault, as I checked)
As for your freezing problem, I don't know, as I never experienced it (Celeron 800/256Mb ram)
Watch for 2.4.1, as ReiserFS is great too (I'm using it since SuSE 6.4). ----------------
It seems you are not clear in your mind today.
I'm talking about politics, not culture nor arts.
I understand, as it is always painful to awake for the first time.
In France, when we have a rough 50%/50% votes, we start the election again.
When we find numerous irregularities, we start the election again.
So lives a Republic, else you have not a president, but a dictator.
Welcome to the Banana Republic of America !
I agree, as the French Law is for every French people or company.
In order to go on with its Waffen SS auctions, Yahoo should quit France (and European Union too).
In France, we have a word 'Everyone at home, and cows will be well guarded'.
The main problem is French and German governments are creating European Union, and doesn't want to remember now they have been at war a very short time ago.
I understand them and I approve them, even if it's now less individual freedom.
There was too much propaganda in the 70's and 80's about WWII. We all French have enough of this. ----------------
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It's:
- An OS, but not for dummies
- A lifestyle, but not for the leazy
- A religion, but not for sects
When you're telling the Thruth, it never hurts to write its name.
That's called Free Speech I think...
A Corp can sue a few individuals, but if they're right, the Corp will suffer enough income losses to forget them.
Please remember :
- Democraty == power to the people
- Corporate Republic == power to the Corporations.
Choose your lifestyle.
You're right, people need at least 2 neurons in order to use Unix/Linux. It seems the requirement is too high... Seriously, programming on Linux is a worthy investment. That's not point-and-click-for-the-dummies, that's for *real* programmers. And if your program crashes, you're sure it's your fault, as you inserted a wrong pointer in your code source. Opposite to Windows which crashes so often you cannot say if the error comes from your lack of programming skill or from a kernel32.exe crash. As for troubleshooting skills, Windows needs them ! (65,000+) bugs in Windows 2000... I run Linux (slackware, SuSE, and a long time ago RedHat) on several computers, and found it *very* stable, even with the worsts user errors.
Also, think of Win3.0. You learned some programming skills on Windows 3.0. What use are they now in Windows 2000 ? Almost nothing usable. Some people learned Unix on the same time. What use of this knowledge now ? 100% is usable, as Unix/Linux only add options, features, etc... and is not replacing them as Microsoft does. Take a look at the halloween document, and you'll see this is willed by Microsoft. So Linux/Unix is worth the time, as your knowledge will stay intact as time passes...
Protocols are funny toys, as they never change (except if Microsoft tries to fade them, ex: Kerberos). Once you know them, you master what happens in your program. Also never looked at RFCs ?
Yes, it takes a long time to master Unix/Linux, but you don't need to master ALL. More than often an expert Linux programmer is a newbie as system administrator, and so on... Linux is also a community, and if you doesn't know something, no need to subscribe MSDN level3, you have just to post your problem on a Linux newsgroup.or ask another penguin.
The Linux way of life is so : work hard and you'll become more and more skilled.
5 years ago, late 1994, it was exactly the same thing in Europe. So why would Microsoft or other software manufacturer change its policy ? They are still selling their programs. As long as they are brainless people buying nothing for a high amount of cash, they'll go on. That's why thinking people are using free programs (ex: open-source). Often, no restrictive licences, and no money to spend at all for a higher-quality program.
Why do you think Linux is so Worldwide liked ? ----------------
OK for hardware. Microsoft was pretty good. But take a look "inside". Mouses must be "awakened" by the OS. Why ? Did we really deserve this ? Remember optical mouses are now 15 year old technology. Ask Sun about it. Remember USB is a VERY old technology too. Kerberos existed long before Microsoft used it. So Microsoft's "innovating" is rather copying. Also take a look on your negative electrical voltages while Windows 9x is running. Why are they unstable (and stable with Linux, so the power supply is fine) ? BTW, this is the best method to reduce the lifespan of any electronic device. So buy hardware more often. It's called quality ! Feel free to take a look at The Halloween Document and you'll see what Microsoft wants for its users for tomorrow: "In order for Microsoft to win, the customer must loose" (halloween document). Even fanatics can turn to Linux when they realize they have been cheated.
Starring: - The US gov, the one-which-cannot-finish-the-Microsoft-antitrust-ca se. Surely a worldwide model of Justice... - The EU gov, the one-willing-to-be-"protected"-by-the-overhelming-U S-gov. Do EU representatives really need so much money as they are talking about such silly thoughts ? Now privacy, perhaps tomorrow military affairs and ASAP selling childrens to The States ?
Take a look at http://www.amd.com/about/glance.html "AMD provides Windows compatible processors". So AMD is saying not willing to embrace Linux. So why bothering with M$-designed CPUs ? ----------------
Yes, according to US law. But not all eBay buyers are US people. If Ebay wants to loose international buyers/sellers, it is the best way in order to do so. According to MS-EULA, OEM licences cannot be sold separatly from a computer, hard drive, or a motherboard. So, if you plan buying a MS OEM licence, also bid on a motherboard, and you're OK, and also the seller, even if he does just sell the OEM licence. MS had never said those parts must be purchased from the same seller. eBay, by ending the listing, is wrong and seems now to belong to Microsoft with this unjustified behaviour. ----------------
Yes, but just take a look at Andover.Net owner. It seems he wants the States economy to survive, and a cleanup is needed in order to do so. Without this, the States products will no more being thrusted, and no more be bought outside United States (ex: GM food). Also the States economy needs the European market in order to avoid a crisis. Some years ago, Italy had to fight its Mafia in order to continue being credible. Now, the States have to fight their corporations in order to continue being credible to the rest of the world. The States have now to choose : power to the wealthiest, with corporations, or power to the people, with Internet. A long time ago, French people offered US citizens the Statue of Liberty. It was the symbol of hope for every human in the World for the 20th century. Will it survive in the 21th century as such ?
There is nothing surprising. Intel is after all a corporation. Their goal is to make money. Their CPU are good, but without outsiders such as AMD and ex-Cyrix, Intel would have sold us P2-350 Mhz last week. They want to attract Linux customers with their IA-64, but they'll release it only when needed... Three years ago, while working in a computer vendor company, I had some information like this, showing the release dates and prices of all Intel CPU during the two next years. One year ago, in an Intel meeting, I was told by an employee Groove had designed the CPU for the next 14 years. Do they want us to keep the same technology (VLSI, about 1975's) until 2013 ? Also remember Intel planned to sell 1 Ghz CPU in July had Athlon sold very good. Bus multiplier technology is no good for customer : a 800 Mhz (8x100) CPU doesn't go as faster as 8x a 100 (1x100) Mhz chip. So 1 Ghz means nothing, except bus=133Mhz. Also, for exemple, Intel sells CPU with *only* 16 irq, and so on... Motorola-CPU ex-users (Amiga, Atari,...) had no special limitations on their CPUs. On the PC market, Intel seems to be monopolistic. As there are no problems about this, Intel is not motivated to release new technology.
In France many French people have switched to Linux as they were too upset with Windows bugs. You're right, in their mind, people wants their old pirated programs running...until you tell them Linux programs are free and more powerful (usually, it's true). And when you say to a man his $1000 camera or $200 scanner won't work with anything but Windows, he feels cheated by Microsoft. If backward compatibility was one of user's concerns, they'll have left Microsoft a long time ago... I have a RealMagic card, and it doesn't work with Windows > 3.11, for example. Not to mention numerous DOS programs 'now calling a general protection fault' when run with windows >= 95 Also try to read a DOS MS-word 2.0 document from Office 2000... Backward compatibility hum ? Good luck ! Nowadays, Windows is kept by French *only* for games, as professional programs are okay for Linux. Many French people are ready to throw off their pirated copy of Windows as soon as a few games will run with Linux.
Backdoors, illegal End-Users-Licence-Agreements, bugs (where's warranty ?), SDK more or less bugged, depending on the price paid, Halloween document, proprietary protocols to stop Internet... (Microsoft or Big Brother ?) If MS trial is injustice, Al Capone's trial was also injustice! The REAL problem is NOT MS being monopoly, it's MS *abusing* of its monopoly For a proof, please tale a look at www.opensource.org/halloween. In France, Microsoft even scored better. The Windows EULA stated the computer seller was responsible for Windows support. But as French shops doesn't have MCSE technicians, there is NO support. BTW, this EULA is illegal in France! You worried to pay your Windows $49 ? In France, standard Microsoft price always was 1690 FF (about $256). The European Union sent a warning in 1994 europa.eu.int/abc/doc/off/bull/f r/9407/p204001.htm (in French, I have to locate the English one) As you can see, problem is not money, but how you got this money.
Computers are now our slaves. Almost mindless, they work as long as we wish. Learn them how to think, and you'll soon learn how they can control our lives. A computer thinking like an human is a great idea, but with some limits. Also, computers are (now) lacking aura, I mean the thing we can look at with 'kirlian effect'. Usually, it indicates life... Will thinking computers lead to living computers ?
As usual, they are waiting for Christmas. Or maybe it's not technically ready (aka 'debugged'). As usual with windows-based programs 'wait just a little more, it's already finished', every month:-( Linux community rules are a bit different. They assume programers are proud of their work, and usually a program is released only when finished. (or in alpha/beta release with an user warning). I think thoses companies (Eidos is NOT the only one making such mistakes) must change their way of thinking in order to sell programs to linuxers. Linuxers are working hard. And if the companies seems to work in anarchy, they will gradually lose their customers, as Linuxers are waiting for a good program, not a patchwork several pre-built commercial engines. ----------------
In order to catch a 'system cracker', you'll first need to know his physical (and postal) address. Having a spy-keyboard or not does not help you in getting system cracker's postal address in order to send police troops. Also, be sure system-crackers and all not-in-law persons won't use those keyboards... This keyboard might be useful in a company, for internal use. But you cannot replace all keyboards on this planet, so I don't think it can be a quick help in finding law-wrongdoers (and remember NSA-inside scandal...) Have also a thinking for the mouse. It's often more used than the keyboard, but how can you log it ?
If you want to "make" a *nix Windows, where will you find the source code ? ./configure and make are the best friends of an unix/linux user. *nix is liked by programers,as it has a *good* compiler within. Found a bug in the kernel ? You can modify it by yourselves. Never saw anything like this in Microsoft's products.
Hello. Greetings from France.:-(( French laws often needs about a dozen readings before being definitive. Remember in France taxes are essentialy based on the number of employees. On an Internet-based company, there are fewer employees, so fewer tax incomes for the French gov... Also be careful with French politicians : they don't care about their economy! Take a look at the numerous scandals in France and you'll discovering politicians interested *only* by their personal income. And you're right in saying French people can be hosted anonymously or not outside France.:-)) ----------------
Hello. Greetings from France.:-(( The French gov's main target is NOT admins, but individuals. In France, when the gov doesn't want you to do something, it doesn't say "don't do it", but "it you're doing it, you'll have trouble". "Don't go to Internet", that's the French gov message. BTW, there is a big computer programs company who dislikes Internet too (and is liked by the French gov). The problem in France is now : users (even windows users) are angry about Microsoft. They want to stop buying bugs. (Windows in French is *really* unstable compared to the US product). French customers are ready for Linux, but most customers are "click-on-the-button users", so are just waiting for a more friendly-linux distro. On the other hand, French gov seems to like Microsoft (commercial or diplomatic contract ?) French people are upset with politician's scandals and the lack of thruth in their speakings "Les parlementaires parlementent, ils parlent et mentent" (Alexis de Tocqueville), so please consider politics are out of control in France. No metter the gov, nothing changes. Perhaps French gov wants French people to become farmers in the 21th century ? ----------------
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I'm using kernel 2.4.0 since its first release too.
No, I too have X-server segfaults, even with a 2.2.14 kernel on a 6.4 SuSE.
Exactly the same problem as yours. I just upgraded my X-server to 4.0.2 and added glx and dri on my config file.
(*not* dri nor glx fault, as I checked)
As for your freezing problem, I don't know, as I never experienced it (Celeron 800/256Mb ram)
Watch for 2.4.1, as ReiserFS is great too (I'm using it since SuSE 6.4).
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It seems you are not clear in your mind today.
I'm talking about politics, not culture nor arts.
I understand, as it is always painful to awake for the first time.
----------------
In France, when we have a rough 50%/50% votes, we start the election again.
When we find numerous irregularities, we start the election again.
So lives a Republic, else you have not a president, but a dictator.
Welcome to the Banana Republic of America !
----------------
I agree, as the French Law is for every French people or company.
In order to go on with its Waffen SS auctions, Yahoo should quit France (and European Union too).
In France, we have a word 'Everyone at home, and cows will be well guarded'.
The main problem is French and German governments are creating European Union, and doesn't want to remember now they have been at war a very short time ago.
I understand them and I approve them, even if it's now less individual freedom.
There was too much propaganda in the 70's and 80's about WWII. We all French have enough of this.
----------------
It's :
- An OS, but not for dummies
- A lifestyle, but not for the leazy
- A religion, but not for sects
----------------
When you're telling the Thruth, it never hurts to write its name.
That's called Free Speech I think...
A Corp can sue a few individuals, but if they're right, the Corp will suffer enough income losses to forget them.
Please remember :
- Democraty == power to the people
- Corporate Republic == power to the Corporations.
Choose your lifestyle.
----------------
Seriously, programming on Linux is a worthy investment. That's not point-and-click-for-the-dummies, that's for *real* programmers.
And if your program crashes, you're sure it's your fault, as you inserted a wrong pointer in your code source. Opposite to Windows which crashes so often you cannot say if the error comes from your lack of programming skill or from a kernel32.exe crash.
As for troubleshooting skills, Windows needs them ! (65,000+) bugs in Windows 2000...
I run Linux (slackware, SuSE, and a long time ago RedHat) on several computers, and found it *very* stable, even with the worsts user errors.
Also, think of Win3.0. You learned some programming skills on Windows 3.0. What use are they now in Windows 2000 ? Almost nothing usable.
Some people learned Unix on the same time. What use of this knowledge now ? 100% is usable, as Unix/Linux only add options, features, etc... and is not replacing them as Microsoft does.
Take a look at the halloween document, and you'll see this is willed by Microsoft.
So Linux/Unix is worth the time, as your knowledge will stay intact as time passes...
Protocols are funny toys, as they never change (except if Microsoft tries to fade them, ex: Kerberos). Once you know them, you master what happens in your program.
Also never looked at RFCs ?
Yes, it takes a long time to master Unix/Linux, but you don't need to master ALL. More than often an expert Linux programmer is a newbie as system administrator, and so on...
Linux is also a community, and if you doesn't know something, no need to subscribe MSDN level3, you have just to post your problem on a Linux newsgroup.or ask another penguin.
The Linux way of life is so : work hard and you'll become more and more skilled.
----------------
So why would Microsoft or other software manufacturer change its policy ? They are still selling their programs.
As long as they are brainless people buying nothing for a high amount of cash, they'll go on.
That's why thinking people are using free programs (ex: open-source). Often, no restrictive licences, and no money to spend at all for a higher-quality program.
Why do you think Linux is so Worldwide liked ?
----------------
OK for hardware. Microsoft was pretty good. But take a look "inside".
Mouses must be "awakened" by the OS. Why ? Did we really deserve this ?
Remember optical mouses are now 15 year old technology. Ask Sun about it.
Remember USB is a VERY old technology too.
Kerberos existed long before Microsoft used it.
So Microsoft's "innovating" is rather copying.
Also take a look on your negative electrical voltages while Windows 9x is running. Why are they unstable (and stable with Linux, so the power supply is fine) ?
BTW, this is the best method to reduce the lifespan of any electronic device.
So buy hardware more often. It's called quality !
Feel free to take a look at The Halloween Document and you'll see what Microsoft wants for its users for tomorrow: "In order for Microsoft to win, the customer must loose" (halloween document).
Even fanatics can turn to Linux when they realize they have been cheated.
----------------
Starring:a se. Surely a worldwide model of Justice... U S-gov.
- The US gov, the one-which-cannot-finish-the-Microsoft-antitrust-c
- The EU gov, the one-willing-to-be-"protected"-by-the-overhelming-
Do EU representatives really need so much money as they are talking about such silly thoughts ?
Now privacy, perhaps tomorrow military affairs and ASAP selling childrens to The States ?
An angry EU citizen.
----------------
Take a look at http://www.amd.com/about/glance.html
"AMD provides Windows compatible processors".
So AMD is saying not willing to embrace Linux.
So why bothering with M$-designed CPUs ?
----------------
Yes, according to US law. But not all eBay buyers are US people.
If Ebay wants to loose international buyers/sellers, it is the best way in order to do so.
According to MS-EULA, OEM licences cannot be sold separatly from a computer, hard drive, or a motherboard.
So, if you plan buying a MS OEM licence, also bid on a motherboard, and you're OK, and also the seller, even if he does just sell the OEM licence. MS had never said those parts must be purchased from the same seller.
eBay, by ending the listing, is wrong and seems now to belong to Microsoft with this unjustified behaviour.
----------------
Yes, but just take a look at Andover.Net owner.
It seems he wants the States economy to survive, and a cleanup is needed in order to do so.
Without this, the States products will no more being thrusted, and no more be bought outside United States (ex: GM food).
Also the States economy needs the European market in order to avoid a crisis.
Some years ago, Italy had to fight its Mafia in order to continue being credible.
Now, the States have to fight their corporations in order to continue being credible to the rest of the world.
The States have now to choose : power to the wealthiest, with corporations, or power to the people, with Internet.
A long time ago, French people offered US citizens the Statue of Liberty. It was the symbol of hope for every human in the World for the 20th century.
Will it survive in the 21th century as such ?
----------------
There is nothing surprising. Intel is after all a corporation.
Their goal is to make money. Their CPU are good, but without outsiders such as AMD and ex-Cyrix, Intel would have sold us P2-350 Mhz last week.
They want to attract Linux customers with their IA-64, but they'll release it only when needed...
Three years ago, while working in a computer vendor company, I had some information like this, showing the release dates and prices of all Intel CPU during the two next years.
One year ago, in an Intel meeting, I was told by an employee Groove had designed the CPU for the next 14 years.
Do they want us to keep the same technology (VLSI, about 1975's) until 2013 ?
Also remember Intel planned to sell 1 Ghz CPU in July had Athlon sold very good.
Bus multiplier technology is no good for customer : a 800 Mhz (8x100) CPU doesn't go as faster as 8x a 100 (1x100) Mhz chip. So 1 Ghz means nothing, except bus=133Mhz.
Also, for exemple, Intel sells CPU with *only* 16 irq, and so on... Motorola-CPU ex-users (Amiga, Atari,...) had no special limitations on their CPUs.
On the PC market, Intel seems to be monopolistic. As there are no problems about this, Intel is not motivated to release new technology.
----------------
In France many French people have switched to Linux as they were too upset with Windows bugs.
You're right, in their mind, people wants their old pirated programs running...until you tell them Linux programs are free and more powerful (usually, it's true).
And when you say to a man his $1000 camera or $200 scanner won't work with anything but Windows, he feels cheated by Microsoft.
If backward compatibility was one of user's concerns, they'll have left Microsoft a long time ago... I have a RealMagic card, and it doesn't work with Windows > 3.11, for example.
Not to mention numerous DOS programs 'now calling a general protection fault' when run with windows >= 95
Also try to read a DOS MS-word 2.0 document from Office 2000... Backward compatibility hum ? Good luck !
Nowadays, Windows is kept by French *only* for games, as professional programs are okay for Linux. Many French people are ready to throw off their pirated copy of Windows as soon as a few games will run with Linux.
----------------
Backdoors, illegal End-Users-Licence-Agreements, bugs (where's warranty ?), SDK more or less bugged, depending on the price paid, Halloween document, proprietary protocols to stop Internet... (Microsoft or Big Brother ?)
If MS trial is injustice, Al Capone's trial was also injustice!
The REAL problem is NOT MS being monopoly, it's MS *abusing* of its monopoly
For a proof, please tale a look at www.opensource.org/halloween.
In France, Microsoft even scored better. The Windows EULA stated the computer seller was responsible for Windows support. But as French shops doesn't have MCSE technicians, there is NO support. BTW, this EULA is illegal in France!
You worried to pay your Windows $49 ? In France, standard Microsoft price always was 1690 FF (about $256).
The European Union sent a warning in 1994 europa.eu.int/abc/doc/off/bull/f r/9407/p204001.htm (in French, I have to locate the English one)
As you can see, problem is not money, but how you got this money.
----------------
Computers are now our slaves. Almost mindless, they work as long as we wish.
Learn them how to think, and you'll soon learn how they can control our lives.
A computer thinking like an human is a great idea, but with some limits.
Also, computers are (now) lacking aura, I mean the thing we can look at with 'kirlian effect'. Usually, it indicates life...
Will thinking computers lead to living computers ?
----------------
As usual, they are waiting for Christmas. Or maybe it's not technically ready (aka 'debugged'). :-(
As usual with windows-based programs 'wait just a little more, it's already finished', every month
Linux community rules are a bit different. They assume programers are proud of their work, and usually a program is released only when finished. (or in alpha/beta release with an user warning).
I think thoses companies (Eidos is NOT the only one making such mistakes) must change their way of thinking in order to sell programs to linuxers.
Linuxers are working hard. And if the companies seems to work in anarchy, they will gradually lose their customers, as Linuxers are waiting for a good program, not a patchwork several pre-built commercial engines.
----------------
In order to catch a 'system cracker', you'll first need to know his physical (and postal) address.
Having a spy-keyboard or not does not help you in getting system cracker's postal address in order to send police troops.
Also, be sure system-crackers and all not-in-law persons won't use those keyboards...
This keyboard might be useful in a company, for internal use.
But you cannot replace all keyboards on this planet, so I don't think it can be a quick help in finding law-wrongdoers (and remember NSA-inside scandal...)
Have also a thinking for the mouse. It's often more used than the keyboard, but how can you log it ?
----------------
If you want to "make" a *nix Windows, where will you find the source code ?
./configure and make are the best friends of an unix/linux user.
*nix is liked by programers,as it has a *good* compiler within.
Found a bug in the kernel ? You can modify it by yourselves.
Never saw anything like this in Microsoft's products.
----------------
Hello. Greetings from France. :-(( :-))
French laws often needs about a dozen readings before being definitive.
Remember in France taxes are essentialy based on the number of employees. On an Internet-based company, there are fewer employees, so fewer tax incomes for the French gov...
Also be careful with French politicians : they don't care about their economy! Take a look at the numerous scandals in France and you'll discovering politicians interested *only* by their personal income.
And you're right in saying French people can be hosted anonymously or not outside France.
----------------
Hello. Greetings from France. :-((
The French gov's main target is NOT admins, but individuals.
In France, when the gov doesn't want you to do something, it doesn't say "don't do it", but "it you're doing it, you'll have trouble".
"Don't go to Internet", that's the French gov message. BTW, there is a big computer programs company who dislikes Internet too (and is liked by the French gov).
The problem in France is now : users (even windows users) are angry about Microsoft. They want to stop buying bugs. (Windows in French is *really* unstable compared to the US product). French customers are ready for Linux, but most customers are "click-on-the-button users", so are just waiting for a more friendly-linux distro.
On the other hand, French gov seems to like Microsoft (commercial or diplomatic contract ?)
French people are upset with politician's scandals and the lack of thruth in their speakings "Les parlementaires parlementent, ils parlent et mentent" (Alexis de Tocqueville), so please consider politics are out of control in France. No metter the gov, nothing changes.
Perhaps French gov wants French people to become farmers in the 21th century ?
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