Brute force with l0phtcrack? Why? Just use one of several happy little utilities that allows you to boot off a linux disk, suck out the.dat files, replace the password, and put em back again..
Only thing that will thwart most of them is if they actually use the Syskey utility. But I'm pretty sure that some of them have gotten around that little problem...
do you even have children?
I do.
And I've seen first hand what the schools are starting to do. I moved out to the country to keep my daughter from being photographed, numbered and examined by the paranoid school district we lived in.
(she is 8 and reads Jane Austin on a regular basis, very smart and independent)
The paranoia could easily reach the fever pitch that Jon presents, I've seen the beginnings of it in the schools out in the country (where I live), and schools that are in heavily populated areas are already turning into "De-militarized Zones"...
Pay attention, if you don't want to open your eyes, then quit telling us what you see.
Quote:
Religious Freedom And Tolerance Is A Protected Right
I am committed to the First Amendment principles of religious freedom, tolerance, and diversity.
Whether Mormon, Methodist, Jewish, or Muslim, Americans should be able to participate in their constitutional free exercise of religion. I do not think witchcraft is a religion, and I do not think it is in any way appropriate for the U.S. military to promote it.
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I have to concur. I've have a joystick called the Quickshot. It maps all imputs to a keyboard button. all eight directions, plus rotate left/right, a four way hat switch, a fire button under your finger and four extra buttons on top of the stick. It's attached to a keypanel that includes all the funtion keys, all the number keys, plus 15 extra keys. Oh, and it has the shift and alt keys, so you can use control+ or shift+.
Even has a lovely wrist pad on it.
Plugs into the keyboard port w/passthrough. works great with my mouse.
(I don't use the joystick much, but I really like the control panel)
Mir's time has come and gone, and come, and gone again, ad nausium....
The thing is *infested* with fungus! It's old and crotchety and my goddess, can you imagine the insurance waivers those NBC survior participants would have to sign? Heck, they would have to decimate a small forest just for the paper required to print it on!
*truck pulls in*
*beep, beep, beep*
"back it on up here! just drop it off here in the front yard and go back for the second load!"
"Mister Swihiggens, We'll need you to sign a few forms of course.. standard stuff really.."
I'm glad they at least came up with enough money to bring it down safely...
ISTR reading comics many moons ago, about MIR coming down on our heads... not so funny when it became possible.
Yes! I remember these!
I used to read them at school and doodle in the margins of the book the debugged code, then go home and type them into my IBM pc/Jr...:)
:::Speaking of which, anyone else got one of these "future of computing" flashs in the pan..?
My dad should have gotten suspicious when he went back to buy it and they threw in the 13 1/2 inch color monitor, the extra cordless keyboard and DOS 2.1 for free... I think they were just trying to get the damn thing out of the door before they had to deny that they ever existed (and deny they did! I swear, a month later, they said "the IBM pc-what?)
In my company, we recently did a software audit.
After re-reading updated licensing doc. we realized that we were woefully under licensed.
So, now, $16,000 later and nothing but some paper to show for it, we realized that we prolly could have converted our entire system from NT to 'nix or BSD for what we just dumped on licenses.
Actually, we have been discussing doing the conversion to full on *nix and documenting the whole thing for others to read as a reference/encouragement. Not that it will be easy mind you, we are a full on NT, IIS, SQL shop. *all* our apps are custom, written in VB, etc. etc.
Has anyone else done this and put it on the web? I'd like to see there experiances and such before we approch our boss with such an ambitious plan..
Hear, Hear!
I cut my teeth on Netware back in the 2.somthingorother days, and I still think its a great NOS. I am a firm believer in use the tool that suits, and I think Netware works great for what it was designed for.
(fyi, Right now i used Win2k on my desktop, cuz its more stable then NT, I dual boot Yellowdog linux/MacOS 8.5 on my PPC for cd burning and general mayhem, and use NT4/SQL7 for my databases (and there is a very good yet long reason why I don't use Linux for my databases, but I don't want to go into it) and Slackware and Mandrake for my email boxen and firewalls)
(Obligitory IANAL)
It doesn't matter what 2600 says on their web site. The judge shouldn't take that into account for ruling. The judge should only take into account what is presented to him in the court, not personal bias or outside influences.
Actually, it depends on the local laws regarding renters rights etc. But that doesn't mean he can't make it difficult for you to live there. A friend of mine had a dead beat tenent that refused to pay rent and also refused to move and lived in an area with rather strong laws regarding evictions. He wasn't allowed to lock them out of the apartment according to the law, so he did the opposite. He took the door away...
Locking the tenent out was illegal. Not Locking anyone out was not.
But, this has nothing to do with Spam. The point here is that there are laws and contracts that spell out what the landlord can and can't do. Just as there are contracts that spell out what an ISP can and can't do. The customers/users theoreticly read the agreement and agreed to it when they signed up. If I signed a contract with a masked bandit to allow him to come to my house at 3am and cart all my things out to the back of his truck and pawn them, when he shows up, I don't get to call the police and say "He's robbing me!"
I agree with the above opinions.
*MY* server
*MY* network
*MY* bandwith
*MY* choice to do whatever I want with it.
Ok, granted that *completely* original is tough to do nowadays. But I would still like to see a list of microsoft *innovations*, ie: something that they came up with to add into an existing technology that improved it significantly and purchasing that improvement doesn't count.
They are alive! I've just pulled down the 1.0 server and got it going. Its pretty slick. The handling of the various protocols are handled by the server, so the client doesn't even have to worry about if its talking to jabber/icq/aim plus, the protocol agents run independently of the main jabber server, so you can update one at a time, plus completely GPL'd.
then try the other ones? and fucked up in what way? It worked fine for me, I was able to d/l and setup my own server in less then 30 min, especially with all the help I got from the nice folks in #jabber on irc.linux.org then got irc and icq transports working nicely..
yea, winjab has a couple issues, but its not even 1.0 yet!
Konqueror seems to be shaping nicely. I really like the idea of a universal viewer. That is, if its reasonably fast. I don't always want to launch a seperate application everytime I want to view a different type of file/document. If I want to edit it, I'll launch the appropriate app. I think that was a good design call on their part.
mmmmm... KDE2... when its done... Damn!
My post to the Ballmer interview comments section.
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Many, Many dense folks out there... I posted this in reply to the idiots on the other site...
Many of you are missing the point. Its not that Microsoft is a monopoly because there is not another choice of OS (of course there is)
The real issue here is that Microsoft used its dominance (not full monopoly, but dominace) in one market (the OS market) to leverage its products in another market (applications) This is the illegal part.
Microsoft used Win95 (OS) to leverage its IE browser (app) against Netscape's browser (app). This was illegal. Microsoft still continues to use unpublished programing calls to the OS to make *its* Office applications more powerful and integrated. They refuse to publish these "secret" calls so that other people can complete on a level playing field with them against their office applications.
Microsoft used tiered licensing policies to "punish" OEM's that wanted to sell other OS's (instead of Windows) (If you want a little proof of this, do a little reasearch on how they reacted to DR DOS, this is still a pending court case the last time I checked)
I've seen little innovation on Microsofts part. I would challange you to come up with some "Innovation" or Product that microsoft has released that they didn't originally buy or steal from some other little company. Here, let me shoot some down right away: the wheel mouse, the optical mouse, double space disk compression, dos, windows, several sections of the office suite, all stolen/copied/bought from other companies. (I could think of more, but its early)
I don't buy Ballmer's whiney "we were a small company once" bit. They got a lucky break with IBM. Thats it. It wasn't "Innovation" that made their company, it was luck, and the fact that Bill had brass knockers and pitched a product that they didn't even own when they sold it.
Microsoft is being broken up because they practiced *illegal* buisness.
I'm not going to make this post a 10 page dissertation on the woes of microsoft, but I, for one, don't buy the woe is me bullcrap that MS is trying to toss around.
An MS breakup into an applications and OS division is good for the industry, and in the long run, will be good for Microsoft.
I read the article, but didn't catch what agreements are already in place? I assume that the countries are registering domains and are happily using the services that ICANN provides, but don't want to pay the bill when it comes around? Oh, wait, they'll pay a part of the bill so ICANN can meet its budget. Isn't that kind of like me taking a cab to my house, then when the driver says, "That'll be 10 dollars", I say, "Here's 5.75 because that should cover your gas and what the company pays you."
Maybe I'm confused... someone correct me if thats the case...
>(a) you're stupid enough to enable JavaScript or any scripting of any kind (though, of course, ads are not limited to JavaScript); I'm fully aware as to what java script is, and that I have it enabled on my browser. I don't even know why you brought it up as you invalidate your own point. >(b) you asked your browser to specifically request those ads to be downloaded from a server; >(c) you were looking at sites targetted towards adults with your eight year-old daughter; Really? http redirects and improperly/fraudulently done meta tags for the search engines to glom onto don't exist in your world? Of course they have the technical ability! I don't know what kind of sheltered little world you live in, but these things happen every day. And you're correct, it is like opening up a book that appears non-pornographic and discovering it is. Its exactly that. They paint their "cover" (i.e.: the meta tags and site descriptions) to look innocent enough, you click on the link to www.happykidstuff.com and suddenly an redirect sends you off to www.sicknastysex.com. It happens. I don't propose mandatory restrictions on types, I propose the creation of a tld to be used for the pornography industry. The *real* pornographers, *know* they are pornographers and will go to where their paying audience is. If your some kind of artist that produces art that can be construed as pornographic by someone, you aren't going to be advertising it via banner ads and sneaky redirects, as such don't apply to this equation. My point is that if you go looking for anything that can in anyway be construed in anyone's sick mind as a potential audience for porn, (i.e.: anime, cartoons, animals, toys.. do a search for any of the above in your favorite search engine, and I bet money you get a crap load of porn links back) then you are targeted. This is wrong. That's my point.
I would moderate this up, but I'd rather reply to it. Whats wrong with that proposal and why is it flamebait? I have to agree that maybe forcing pornography to its own TLD would help out. Easy to filter if you so desire, Easy to find, if you so desire. No more stupid re-directed urls, maybe even filter content (graphics, banners, etc) coming from a.sex domain and therefore block stupid banners and popups. I'm the type of parent that actually sits with the kids when they are on the internet, but its still far too easy to unintionally come across porn... especially those sites that have the confusing names (www.whitehouse.com anybody?) My 8 year old daughter was browsing about looking for Poke'mon pictures and stuff (yea, yea, I know... lets move on now) A few clicks later, shes looking at popup adverts for henti and manga. And not just a couple, it was like a pop up widow explosion, at least 10-15 windows opened with ranchy ads and links. I was with her and didn't even see it coming, and I've got several clues as to what to look for. I'm a big proponent of privacy/anti-censorship etc. on the net, but its somewhat rediculous on how easy it is to mistakenly click through to a porn site. The porn advocates/webmasters/etc may say "But its free speech! Its just like a magazine, if you don't like it, don't buy/look at it!" Thats all well and good, but what if some guy went around pasting pornographic ads in random books at the library, or started throwing penthouse mags at crowds of people in the park.. "I wasn't aiming for kids, I was aiming for parents, its not my fault the magazine fell in the kids stroller" Its not free speech if we don't have the freedom not to listen. (this applies equally well to UCE, but thats a rant for another day)
I don't see any possibility of Unix passing on. Ok, some flavors of Unix may outlive their usefullness, but this is the same as say some obscure distro going away, the core of unix and unix like kernals is too usefull, too easily adaptable, too configurable to go away. With the advent of Linux and its dirivative products, Unix and unix variants will be around for a long, long time to come.
In the St. Louis area, (smack in the center of the US for non-Merkins) And Yes, on a couple of stations they do the unedited versions of several songs... I don't particularly like the *cleansed* versions of the music, but then again, I don't particularly like answering questions from my 5 year old like "Daddy, what does f**k mean? and why does that guy do it to all the b***hes?"
I'll finally be able to find the pirate stations! Much better listening then the prefab, spoon fed crap that consistantly spews out of the "legit" choices...
OB - What is it with the quality of radio nowadays? I heard the word f**k 3 times on my way to work, pity when I can't even listen to morning radio with my kids in the car...Not that I would listen to the pirate stations when my kids were in the car, due to the above, we just enjoy happy disny tunes or *gasp* have "conversations"
(conversation: to converse, to exchange packets in meatspace)
Yes, I understand that concept. My point here is if the full source is available for the transport of the confidential information, how is it prevented from being subverted? If I am knowledgable in what a program does and exactly how it does it, what prevents me from making changes or using that code to build a tool to hijack or undermine the security of the transport?
Wouldn't an open source credit card verification system be a Bad Thing(tm)? I would assume that this would make it easier to engineer the ablility to compromise the transaction. I know that security through obscurity is a bad policy by nature, but in these types of things, is it not required?
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Brute force with l0phtcrack? Why? Just use one of several happy little utilities that allows you to boot off a linux disk, suck out the .dat files, replace the password, and put em back again..
Only thing that will thwart most of them is if they actually use the Syskey utility. But I'm pretty sure that some of them have gotten around that little problem...
do you even have children?
I do.
And I've seen first hand what the schools are starting to do. I moved out to the country to keep my daughter from being photographed, numbered and examined by the paranoid school district we lived in.
(she is 8 and reads Jane Austin on a regular basis, very smart and independent)
The paranoia could easily reach the fever pitch that Jon presents, I've seen the beginnings of it in the schools out in the country (where I live), and schools that are in heavily populated areas are already turning into "De-militarized Zones"...
Pay attention, if you don't want to open your eyes, then quit telling us what you see.
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http://www.webwhiteblue.org/debate/2000-10-15/b
Quote:
Religious Freedom And Tolerance Is A Protected Right
I am committed to the First Amendment principles of religious freedom, tolerance, and diversity.
Whether Mormon, Methodist, Jewish, or Muslim, Americans should be able to participate in their constitutional free exercise of religion. I do not think witchcraft is a religion, and I do not think it is in any way appropriate for the U.S. military to promote it.
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I have to concur. I've have a joystick called the Quickshot. It maps all imputs to a keyboard button. all eight directions, plus rotate left/right, a four way hat switch, a fire button under your finger and four extra buttons on top of the stick. It's attached to a keypanel that includes all the funtion keys, all the number keys, plus 15 extra keys. Oh, and it has the shift and alt keys, so you can use control+ or shift+.
Even has a lovely wrist pad on it.
Plugs into the keyboard port w/passthrough. works great with my mouse.
(I don't use the joystick much, but I really like the control panel)
So what makes this thing better?
Mir's time has come and gone, and come, and gone again, ad nausium....
The thing is *infested* with fungus! It's old and crotchety and my goddess, can you imagine the insurance waivers those NBC survior participants would have to sign? Heck, they would have to decimate a small forest just for the paper required to print it on!
*truck pulls in*
*beep, beep, beep*
"back it on up here! just drop it off here in the front yard and go back for the second load!"
"Mister Swihiggens, We'll need you to sign a few forms of course.. standard stuff really.."
I'm glad they at least came up with enough money to bring it down safely...
ISTR reading comics many moons ago, about MIR coming down on our heads... not so funny when it became possible.
Yes! I remember these! :)
I used to read them at school and doodle in the margins of the book the debugged code, then go home and type them into my IBM pc/Jr...
:::Speaking of which, anyone else got one of these "future of computing" flashs in the pan..?
My dad should have gotten suspicious when he went back to buy it and they threw in the 13 1/2 inch color monitor, the extra cordless keyboard and DOS 2.1 for free... I think they were just trying to get the damn thing out of the door before they had to deny that they ever existed (and deny they did! I swear, a month later, they said "the IBM pc-what?)
In my company, we recently did a software audit.
After re-reading updated licensing doc. we realized that we were woefully under licensed.
So, now, $16,000 later and nothing but some paper to show for it, we realized that we prolly could have converted our entire system from NT to 'nix or BSD for what we just dumped on licenses.
Actually, we have been discussing doing the conversion to full on *nix and documenting the whole thing for others to read as a reference/encouragement. Not that it will be easy mind you, we are a full on NT, IIS, SQL shop. *all* our apps are custom, written in VB, etc. etc.
Has anyone else done this and put it on the web? I'd like to see there experiances and such before we approch our boss with such an ambitious plan..
Actually, they do provide this kind of functionality. We were a small shop and were able to make images that did this.
I wasn't in that section of the shop, so I'm not sure *how* we did it, but we did it.
Hear, Hear!
I cut my teeth on Netware back in the 2.somthingorother days, and I still think its a great NOS. I am a firm believer in use the tool that suits, and I think Netware works great for what it was designed for.
(fyi, Right now i used Win2k on my desktop, cuz its more stable then NT, I dual boot Yellowdog linux/MacOS 8.5 on my PPC for cd burning and general mayhem, and use NT4/SQL7 for my databases (and there is a very good yet long reason why I don't use Linux for my databases, but I don't want to go into it) and Slackware and Mandrake for my email boxen and firewalls)
(Obligitory IANAL)
It doesn't matter what 2600 says on their web site. The judge shouldn't take that into account for ruling. The judge should only take into account what is presented to him in the court, not personal bias or outside influences.
Actually, it depends on the local laws regarding renters rights etc. But that doesn't mean he can't make it difficult for you to live there. A friend of mine had a dead beat tenent that refused to pay rent and also refused to move and lived in an area with rather strong laws regarding evictions. He wasn't allowed to lock them out of the apartment according to the law, so he did the opposite. He took the door away...
Locking the tenent out was illegal. Not Locking anyone out was not.
But, this has nothing to do with Spam. The point here is that there are laws and contracts that spell out what the landlord can and can't do. Just as there are contracts that spell out what an ISP can and can't do. The customers/users theoreticly read the agreement and agreed to it when they signed up. If I signed a contract with a masked bandit to allow him to come to my house at 3am and cart all my things out to the back of his truck and pawn them, when he shows up, I don't get to call the police and say "He's robbing me!"
I agree with the above opinions.
*MY* server
*MY* network
*MY* bandwith
*MY* choice to do whatever I want with it.
Ok, granted that *completely* original is tough to do nowadays. But I would still like to see a list of microsoft *innovations*, ie: something that they came up with to add into an existing technology that improved it significantly and purchasing that improvement doesn't count.
They are alive! I've just pulled down the 1.0 server and got it going. Its pretty slick. The handling of the various protocols are handled by the server, so the client doesn't even have to worry about if its talking to jabber/icq/aim
plus, the protocol agents run independently of the main jabber server, so you can update one at a time, plus completely GPL'd.
then try the other ones?
and fucked up in what way?
It worked fine for me,
I was able to d/l and setup my own server in less then 30 min, especially with all the help I got from the nice folks in #jabber on irc.linux.org
then got irc and icq transports working nicely..
yea, winjab has a couple issues, but its not even 1.0 yet!
Konqueror seems to be shaping nicely. I really like the idea of a universal viewer. That is, if its reasonably fast. I don't always want to launch a seperate application everytime I want to view a different type of file/document. If I want to edit it, I'll launch the appropriate app.
I think that was a good design call on their part.
mmmmm... KDE2... when its done... Damn!
Many, Many dense folks out there...
I posted this in reply to the idiots on the other site...
Many of you are missing the point. Its not that Microsoft is a monopoly because there is not another choice of OS (of course there is)
The real issue here is that Microsoft used its dominance (not full monopoly, but dominace) in one market (the OS market) to leverage its products in another market (applications) This is the illegal part.
Microsoft used Win95 (OS) to leverage its IE browser (app) against Netscape's browser (app). This was illegal.
Microsoft still continues to use unpublished programing calls to the OS to make *its* Office applications more powerful and integrated. They refuse to publish these "secret" calls so that other people can complete on a level playing field with them against their office applications.
Microsoft used tiered licensing policies to "punish" OEM's that wanted to sell other OS's (instead of Windows)
(If you want a little proof of this, do a little reasearch on how they reacted to DR DOS, this is still a pending court case the last time I checked)
I've seen little innovation on Microsofts part. I would challange you to come up with some "Innovation" or Product that microsoft has released that they didn't originally buy or steal from some other little company. Here, let me shoot some down right away: the wheel mouse, the optical mouse, double space disk compression, dos, windows, several sections of the office suite, all stolen/copied/bought from other companies. (I could think of more, but its early)
I don't buy Ballmer's whiney "we were a small company once" bit. They got a lucky break with IBM. Thats it. It wasn't "Innovation" that made their company, it was luck, and the fact that Bill had brass knockers and pitched a product that they didn't even own when they sold it.
Microsoft is being broken up because they practiced *illegal* buisness.
I'm not going to make this post a 10 page dissertation on the woes of microsoft, but I, for one, don't buy the woe is me bullcrap that MS is trying to toss around.
An MS breakup into an applications and OS division is good for the industry, and in the long run, will be good for Microsoft.
I read the article, but didn't catch what agreements are already in place? I assume that the countries are registering domains and are happily using the services that ICANN provides, but don't want to pay the bill when it comes around? Oh, wait, they'll pay a part of the bill so ICANN can meet its budget. Isn't that kind of like me taking a cab to my house, then when the driver says, "That'll be 10 dollars", I say, "Here's 5.75 because that should cover your gas and what the company pays you."
Maybe I'm confused... someone correct me if thats the case...
>(a) you're stupid enough to enable JavaScript or any scripting of any kind (though, of course, ads are not limited to JavaScript);
I'm fully aware as to what java script is, and that I have it enabled on my browser. I don't even know why you brought it up as you invalidate your own point.
>(b) you asked your browser to specifically request those ads to be downloaded from a server;
>(c) you were looking at sites targetted towards adults with your eight year-old daughter;
Really? http redirects and improperly/fraudulently done meta tags for the search engines to glom onto don't exist in your world? Of course they have the technical ability! I don't know what kind of sheltered little world you live in, but these things happen every day. And you're correct, it is like opening up a book that appears non-pornographic and discovering it is. Its exactly that. They paint their "cover" (i.e.: the meta tags and site descriptions) to look innocent enough, you click on the link to www.happykidstuff.com and suddenly an redirect sends you off to www.sicknastysex.com. It happens.
I don't propose mandatory restrictions on types, I propose the creation of a tld to be used for the pornography industry. The *real* pornographers, *know* they are pornographers and will go to where their paying audience is. If your some kind of artist that produces art that can be construed as pornographic by someone, you aren't going to be advertising it via banner ads and sneaky redirects, as such don't apply to this equation. My point is that if you go looking for anything that can in anyway be construed in anyone's sick mind as a potential audience for porn, (i.e.: anime, cartoons, animals, toys.. do a search for any of the above in your favorite search engine, and I bet money you get a crap load of porn links back) then you are targeted. This is wrong. That's my point.
I would moderate this up, but I'd rather reply to it. Whats wrong with that proposal and why is it flamebait? I have to agree that maybe forcing pornography to its own TLD would help out. Easy to filter if you so desire, Easy to find, if you so desire. No more stupid re-directed urls, maybe even filter content (graphics, banners, etc) coming from a .sex domain and therefore block stupid banners and popups.
I'm the type of parent that actually sits with the kids when they are on the internet, but its still far too easy to unintionally come across porn... especially those sites that have the confusing names (www.whitehouse.com anybody?) My 8 year old daughter was browsing about looking for Poke'mon pictures and stuff (yea, yea, I know... lets move on now) A few clicks later, shes looking at popup adverts for henti and manga. And not just a couple, it was like a pop up widow explosion, at least 10-15 windows opened with ranchy ads and links. I was with her and didn't even see it coming, and I've got several clues as to what to look for. I'm a big proponent of privacy/anti-censorship etc. on the net, but its somewhat rediculous on how easy it is to mistakenly click through to a porn site. The porn advocates/webmasters/etc may say "But its free speech! Its just like a magazine, if you don't like it, don't buy/look at it!" Thats all well and good, but what if some guy went around pasting pornographic ads in random books at the library, or started throwing penthouse mags at crowds of people in the park.. "I wasn't aiming for kids, I was aiming for parents, its not my fault the magazine fell in the kids stroller"
Its not free speech if we don't have the freedom not to listen. (this applies equally well to UCE, but thats a rant for another day)
I don't see any possibility of Unix passing on.
Ok, some flavors of Unix may outlive their usefullness, but this is the same as say some obscure distro going away, the core of unix and unix like kernals is too usefull, too easily adaptable, too configurable to go away. With the advent of Linux and its dirivative products, Unix and unix variants will be around for a long, long time to come.
In the St. Louis area, (smack in the center of the US for non-Merkins)
And Yes, on a couple of stations they do the unedited versions of several songs... I don't particularly like the *cleansed* versions of the music, but then again, I don't particularly like answering questions from my 5 year old like "Daddy, what does f**k mean? and why does that guy do it to all the b***hes?"
I'll finally be able to find the pirate stations!
Much better listening then the prefab, spoon fed crap that consistantly spews out of the "legit" choices...
OB - What is it with the quality of radio nowadays? I heard the word f**k 3 times on my way to work, pity when I can't even listen to morning radio with my kids in the car...Not that I would listen to the pirate stations when my kids were in the car, due to the above, we just enjoy happy disny tunes or *gasp* have "conversations"
(conversation: to converse, to exchange packets in meatspace)
Thanks... Sorry for the redundent post, I got my answers before I finished typing the reply to the replies... :)
Behold, the power of Slashdot...
Yes, I understand that concept.
My point here is if the full source is available for the transport of the confidential information, how is it prevented from being subverted? If I am knowledgable in what a program does and exactly how it does it, what prevents me from making changes or using that code to build a tool to hijack or undermine the security of the transport?
Wouldn't an open source credit card verification system be a Bad Thing(tm)? I would assume that this would make it easier to engineer the ablility to compromise the transaction. I know that security through obscurity is a bad policy by nature, but in these types of things, is it not required?