No, I am fortunate to have never been in an ambulance but I have seen them speeding many times. I have seen them gaining on me as I drive down the road when I am at or slightly above the speed limit and they gain ground very quickly before they are to the point where I need to pull over. I have also seen them stop completely before entering intersections when the light is against them and at stop signs when the cross streets are not visible for quite a distance. I have also seen them blow right through stop signs out in the country when it is possible to a half mile or so down the cross roads.
He was not born in Hawaii. Hawaii supposedly issued the birth certificate. My understanding is that that is how it can work for children born of citizens but on foreign soil. It really depends on whether his mom really asked for that paperwork or if that paperwork was handled later on.
The FBI is not a few people nor are they generally in the business of promoting private concealed carry. They compile the crime statistics because they do.
The anecdotes were showing that at least some police officers realize that criminals carry concealed guns because they are criminals and there is no reason why law-abiding citizens should not also be allowed to carry them. It has everything to do with concealed carry as it points out that even when concealed carry is not allowed for anyone, they criminals still carry and when they have already been convicted of felonies and are no longer allowed to own weapons, criminals still carry. I know that it is a difficult concept for many, but criminals are criminals because they don't care about the law.
For at least 1/3 of every family in the United States, we have detached income for work done. Technically, the work done has been externalized to their neighbors but that is kind of like fight club.
Not in this mythical world where resources are so unlimited that we no longer have money; this is either a Star Trek scenario or a Bernie Sanders scenario. The argument is whether mythology and reality can be the two worlds that collide.
So the solution to a market economy based on notions of money is to replace it with a market economy based on a barter system and then we can claim to have no market and we are all working for free?
orgelspieler, have you ever had a rational thought? You don't need burger flippers because you can find burger flippers. How insightful.
Technically, no they cannot. I've never seen a speeding law (state or local) that exempts LEO except in actual emergency response situations. I even had a teacher tell me about how his neighbor (a local PD officer) went speeding past on the way home and he talked to the guy and the officer wrote himself a ticket and did end up paying the fine. I was told by my drivers ed instructor that ambulances are technically never allowed to violate the speed limit but nobody cares up until they get involved in an accident and then they do get in all kinds of trouble if they were speeding or running stop signs/lights and that was the cause of the accident.
In reality, do they get away with stuff because they turn a blind eye to each other? Yes.
As I noted above, yes, the exceptions cover you if you are contracted by law enforcement to act on behalf of law enforcement because you are then law enforcement while acting under the terms of the contract.
What question would you ask if law enforcement simply hired some guy off the street to break into houses and search them for evidence if no judge were willing to sign a search warrant? Do you really think law enforcement would even bother with search warrants if all they had to do was contract the search out?
And a LEO contractor is LEO. If you disagree then please explain how "the government" does anything if the people it is paying to do things aren't allowed to do government things. It's not like the government is an actual being capable of doing anything; it is an organization of people.
Saying that LEO contractors aren't LEO and are therefore not bound by the DMCA is also saying that LEO contractors are not LEO and are not bound by warrants. It is turtles all the way down and LEO cannot constitutionally and legally buy its way out of the stack.
You want a citation to prove that their was a birther movement? How ignorant are you? Or you want a citation that says that you are not eligible to be President of the USA if you are not a natural born citizen of the USA? The US Constitution is pretty plain about that one. What makes you a natural born citizen? Apparently being born on US soil regardless of the status of your parents and being born on foreign soil to US citizens as long as they do the paperwork to have you treated as a citizen. Meaning that you are not considered a US citizen if you are born to US citizens who also have citizenship in another country and they want you to have that other citizenship. Therefore, the question about whether Obama got US citizenship from his US citizen mother (he was born on foreign soil and his father was never a US citizen) does come down to what his mother wanted at the time he was born and what paperwork she did about it.
So, allowing guns meant that an armed citizen was able to lessen the damage done by a mass shooter 50% of the time, from your two anecdotes. I'd say that cutting the carnage in half is a pretty good argument for allowing concealed carry. Why didn't the Oregon guy do anything? Was it because he (she?, I'm not familiar with the situation) didn't have good angles or wasn't close enough and couldn't get close enough? Maybe he simply decided that he really wasn't prepared to take a life to save lives and has quit carrying. Do you realize that you really need to be within about 25 feet to be accurate with a concealable handgun? Movies and TV seldom ever reflect reality when it comes to guns.
True, but not by the margins you think, especially when you change it to people killing other people. When you look at CDC and FBI numbers you will realize roughly two-thirds of gun deaths in the US are suicides. That brings the numbers to the point that guns only account for about half of all homicides. Things like hammers and bats and poison and hands combine to match the usage of guns.
Now, if you want to talk about modern warfare... Are you certain that guns kill more than bombs and missiles? Are you counting artillery as a gun or do you classify it with guns and missiles for this purpose? Counting artillery and aircraft mounted guns as guns to increase the number of gun deaths would be pretty dishonest if you are pretty certain that your audience is thinking about guns as handguns and rifles that people carry around.
And yet the real world disagrees with you. It is actual fact that every state in the US that made it easier to carry concealed ended up with lower rates of muggings and other such crime after the law went into effect. You may be correct that open-carry is just as much or more of a deterrent than concealed carry but many of us who carry concealed never considered carrying open because we are nice people, considerate people and didn't want people like you to get all worked up and trembling. You can argue all you want about how you think things should work but the reality of this world is that things don't work that way. I've had more than one police officer tell me that they have no problem with allowing law-abiding citizens to carry concealed because they don't fear law-abiding citizens and they know that criminals, being criminals, are already carrying concealed. So, if police officers aren't afraid of non-criminals carrying concealed, why are you?
I once had a neighbor who was a sheriff's deputy in our county and worked undercover on loan to a drug task force in the neighboring county. He spent most of his time hanging out in bars and other places with biker gang types and didn't know a single one of them that wasn't carrying illegally; this was in a state that is now a "shall issue" state but at the time was not. I now reside in a different state nearly 2000 east of that state. The retired police officer who taught my concealed carry class in this state (just after it went from a no concealed carry under any circumstances to a shall issue state) told us about his first week working undercover which was a couple of years into his career. He was in a large midwest city and was very nervous about working without a gun as he had always had a gun while in uniform. Why did he go into that undercover work without a gun? As he put it, he didn't carry when undercover because the state had no legal way to carry concealed and he thought it would cause problems if the criminals he was hanging out with saw his gun and asked why he wasn't worried about getting caught with it. After a week of being undercover, he started carrying concealed because he realized he stood out because he was not carrying.
Why do I mention those two anecdotes? Because if you believe I just happen to have met the only two cops in the US that noticed that most criminals are carrying whether the law allows them to or not, you are an idiot. Nearly every cop you talk to will tell you the same stories.If you choose to believe I am just making those two stories up, that is your problem. Reality is on my side.
Solyndra was a shell company formed to pay back an extremely high-interest loan to Obama's presidential campaign. In the sense of doing what the founder set out to do, it in no way failed.
Those carrying a generally much less fearful of those trying to prevent carrying. Prudence not equal fear. Prudence: careful good judgment that allows someone to avoid danger or risks; caution or circumspection as to danger or risk.
"some states" is pretty vague. California doesn't allow the Springfield Armory XD-M or any of its variants to be sold not because of how they look or operate but simply because Springfield Armory refused to pay the state around a million dollars per variant to have them approved by the all-knowing State of California. The company decided not to worry about getting any LEO contracts for them and that it was not going to sell enough in such a backward state to recoup the million dollars.
Really, normal people are so stupid that they can't figure out that the gun in a holster is not there to hurt anybody and that the gun being waved around and pointed at people by the guy yelling something about give me your wallet or money or "let me rape you" or whatever is the gun that might shoot somebody?
Are you sure that it is the "normal" people that are that stupid and not the abnormal ones?
Last I checked, BATFE was part of DHS and he gets his permit to manufacture from BATFE so what was your point? And why should he share anything with LEO external to the US if he has no plans to apply for licenses to market it external to the US?
Just to enlighten you on the actual law in the US... Gun manufacturers are no more indemnified from product liability law in the US than any other manufacturer. You can bet that if I buy a gun and it is poorly built or otherwise faulty and injures me when I use it while it is not pointed at me, then the manufacturer will be held liable for damages. Likewise, if I were to set a loaded gun down and it fired all by itself and I was able to show that it did so with more than just my word (you know, have actual evidence and such), then yes the company will be held liable. The law you refer to says that Joe Nobody cannot sue Smith and Wesson because Johnny Nogood used a Smith and Wesson product to harm Joe. The law was written to target firearms manufacturers only because a bunch of anti-gun nutters decided to attempt to bankrupt firearms manufacturers by bringing all manner of lawsuits for exactly that scenario. Exactly nobody even thought of bringing a lawsuit against Ford because Joe Sixpack got liquored up and ran over Sally with his Mustang.
True, but he did allude to concealed carry being a requirement because others are afraid of guns and those afraid of guns generally don't want anybody owning them.
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No, I am fortunate to have never been in an ambulance but I have seen them speeding many times. I have seen them gaining on me as I drive down the road when I am at or slightly above the speed limit and they gain ground very quickly before they are to the point where I need to pull over. I have also seen them stop completely before entering intersections when the light is against them and at stop signs when the cross streets are not visible for quite a distance. I have also seen them blow right through stop signs out in the country when it is possible to a half mile or so down the cross roads.
He was not born in Hawaii. Hawaii supposedly issued the birth certificate. My understanding is that that is how it can work for children born of citizens but on foreign soil. It really depends on whether his mom really asked for that paperwork or if that paperwork was handled later on.
The FBI is not a few people nor are they generally in the business of promoting private concealed carry. They compile the crime statistics because they do.
The anecdotes were showing that at least some police officers realize that criminals carry concealed guns because they are criminals and there is no reason why law-abiding citizens should not also be allowed to carry them. It has everything to do with concealed carry as it points out that even when concealed carry is not allowed for anyone, they criminals still carry and when they have already been convicted of felonies and are no longer allowed to own weapons, criminals still carry. I know that it is a difficult concept for many, but criminals are criminals because they don't care about the law.
And they are able to enjoy that because they have externalized such non-critical functions as protecting themselves from being overrun.
For at least 1/3 of every family in the United States, we have detached income for work done. Technically, the work done has been externalized to their neighbors but that is kind of like fight club.
Not in this mythical world where resources are so unlimited that we no longer have money; this is either a Star Trek scenario or a Bernie Sanders scenario. The argument is whether mythology and reality can be the two worlds that collide.
So the solution to a market economy based on notions of money is to replace it with a market economy based on a barter system and then we can claim to have no market and we are all working for free?
orgelspieler, have you ever had a rational thought? You don't need burger flippers because you can find burger flippers. How insightful.
Given the structure of the US welfare system? More than you were when working a minimum wage job.
Yeah, those ones. Look at how awesome Detroit is compared to the rest of the US. To borrow a phrase, it is a worker's paradise.
Spend 2 seconds thinking before spending 10 seconds writing.
Samuel Clemens expressed the concept in less flattering terms.
Technically, no they cannot. I've never seen a speeding law (state or local) that exempts LEO except in actual emergency response situations. I even had a teacher tell me about how his neighbor (a local PD officer) went speeding past on the way home and he talked to the guy and the officer wrote himself a ticket and did end up paying the fine. I was told by my drivers ed instructor that ambulances are technically never allowed to violate the speed limit but nobody cares up until they get involved in an accident and then they do get in all kinds of trouble if they were speeding or running stop signs/lights and that was the cause of the accident.
In reality, do they get away with stuff because they turn a blind eye to each other? Yes.
As I noted above, yes, the exceptions cover you if you are contracted by law enforcement to act on behalf of law enforcement because you are then law enforcement while acting under the terms of the contract.
What question would you ask if law enforcement simply hired some guy off the street to break into houses and search them for evidence if no judge were willing to sign a search warrant? Do you really think law enforcement would even bother with search warrants if all they had to do was contract the search out?
And a LEO contractor is LEO. If you disagree then please explain how "the government" does anything if the people it is paying to do things aren't allowed to do government things. It's not like the government is an actual being capable of doing anything; it is an organization of people.
Saying that LEO contractors aren't LEO and are therefore not bound by the DMCA is also saying that LEO contractors are not LEO and are not bound by warrants. It is turtles all the way down and LEO cannot constitutionally and legally buy its way out of the stack.
You want a citation to prove that their was a birther movement? How ignorant are you? Or you want a citation that says that you are not eligible to be President of the USA if you are not a natural born citizen of the USA? The US Constitution is pretty plain about that one. What makes you a natural born citizen? Apparently being born on US soil regardless of the status of your parents and being born on foreign soil to US citizens as long as they do the paperwork to have you treated as a citizen. Meaning that you are not considered a US citizen if you are born to US citizens who also have citizenship in another country and they want you to have that other citizenship. Therefore, the question about whether Obama got US citizenship from his US citizen mother (he was born on foreign soil and his father was never a US citizen) does come down to what his mother wanted at the time he was born and what paperwork she did about it.
As for the rest of your answers... you've lost me
So, allowing guns meant that an armed citizen was able to lessen the damage done by a mass shooter 50% of the time, from your two anecdotes. I'd say that cutting the carnage in half is a pretty good argument for allowing concealed carry. Why didn't the Oregon guy do anything? Was it because he (she?, I'm not familiar with the situation) didn't have good angles or wasn't close enough and couldn't get close enough? Maybe he simply decided that he really wasn't prepared to take a life to save lives and has quit carrying. Do you realize that you really need to be within about 25 feet to be accurate with a concealable handgun? Movies and TV seldom ever reflect reality when it comes to guns.
True, but not by the margins you think, especially when you change it to people killing other people. When you look at CDC and FBI numbers you will realize roughly two-thirds of gun deaths in the US are suicides. That brings the numbers to the point that guns only account for about half of all homicides. Things like hammers and bats and poison and hands combine to match the usage of guns.
Now, if you want to talk about modern warfare... Are you certain that guns kill more than bombs and missiles? Are you counting artillery as a gun or do you classify it with guns and missiles for this purpose? Counting artillery and aircraft mounted guns as guns to increase the number of gun deaths would be pretty dishonest if you are pretty certain that your audience is thinking about guns as handguns and rifles that people carry around.
And yet the real world disagrees with you. It is actual fact that every state in the US that made it easier to carry concealed ended up with lower rates of muggings and other such crime after the law went into effect. You may be correct that open-carry is just as much or more of a deterrent than concealed carry but many of us who carry concealed never considered carrying open because we are nice people, considerate people and didn't want people like you to get all worked up and trembling. You can argue all you want about how you think things should work but the reality of this world is that things don't work that way. I've had more than one police officer tell me that they have no problem with allowing law-abiding citizens to carry concealed because they don't fear law-abiding citizens and they know that criminals, being criminals, are already carrying concealed. So, if police officers aren't afraid of non-criminals carrying concealed, why are you?
I once had a neighbor who was a sheriff's deputy in our county and worked undercover on loan to a drug task force in the neighboring county. He spent most of his time hanging out in bars and other places with biker gang types and didn't know a single one of them that wasn't carrying illegally; this was in a state that is now a "shall issue" state but at the time was not. I now reside in a different state nearly 2000 east of that state. The retired police officer who taught my concealed carry class in this state (just after it went from a no concealed carry under any circumstances to a shall issue state) told us about his first week working undercover which was a couple of years into his career. He was in a large midwest city and was very nervous about working without a gun as he had always had a gun while in uniform. Why did he go into that undercover work without a gun? As he put it, he didn't carry when undercover because the state had no legal way to carry concealed and he thought it would cause problems if the criminals he was hanging out with saw his gun and asked why he wasn't worried about getting caught with it. After a week of being undercover, he started carrying concealed because he realized he stood out because he was not carrying.
Why do I mention those two anecdotes? Because if you believe I just happen to have met the only two cops in the US that noticed that most criminals are carrying whether the law allows them to or not, you are an idiot. Nearly every cop you talk to will tell you the same stories.If you choose to believe I am just making those two stories up, that is your problem. Reality is on my side.
Solyndra was a shell company formed to pay back an extremely high-interest loan to Obama's presidential campaign. In the sense of doing what the founder set out to do, it in no way failed.
As long as we ignore the 14th, you may be on to something.
Those carrying a generally much less fearful of those trying to prevent carrying. Prudence not equal fear.
Prudence: careful good judgment that allows someone to avoid danger or risks; caution or circumspection as to danger or risk.
"some states" is pretty vague. California doesn't allow the Springfield Armory XD-M or any of its variants to be sold not because of how they look or operate but simply because Springfield Armory refused to pay the state around a million dollars per variant to have them approved by the all-knowing State of California. The company decided not to worry about getting any LEO contracts for them and that it was not going to sell enough in such a backward state to recoup the million dollars.
Really, normal people are so stupid that they can't figure out that the gun in a holster is not there to hurt anybody and that the gun being waved around and pointed at people by the guy yelling something about give me your wallet or money or "let me rape you" or whatever is the gun that might shoot somebody?
Are you sure that it is the "normal" people that are that stupid and not the abnormal ones?
Last I checked, BATFE was part of DHS and he gets his permit to manufacture from BATFE so what was your point? And why should he share anything with LEO external to the US if he has no plans to apply for licenses to market it external to the US?
Just to enlighten you on the actual law in the US... Gun manufacturers are no more indemnified from product liability law in the US than any other manufacturer. You can bet that if I buy a gun and it is poorly built or otherwise faulty and injures me when I use it while it is not pointed at me, then the manufacturer will be held liable for damages. Likewise, if I were to set a loaded gun down and it fired all by itself and I was able to show that it did so with more than just my word (you know, have actual evidence and such), then yes the company will be held liable. The law you refer to says that Joe Nobody cannot sue Smith and Wesson because Johnny Nogood used a Smith and Wesson product to harm Joe. The law was written to target firearms manufacturers only because a bunch of anti-gun nutters decided to attempt to bankrupt firearms manufacturers by bringing all manner of lawsuits for exactly that scenario. Exactly nobody even thought of bringing a lawsuit against Ford because Joe Sixpack got liquored up and ran over Sally with his Mustang.
True, but he did allude to concealed carry being a requirement because others are afraid of guns and those afraid of guns generally don't want anybody owning them.