Any legislative solution to this issue needs to address compression rather than max dBs. Maybe the legislation could be worded so as to apply to any broadcast advertising material that has intentionally been produced so as to be perceived as louder than the typical perceived loudness of a television programme. The key word here is 'perceived'.
Cory Doctorow -- who in his novel "Little Brother" had an obvious axe to grind against Homeland Security and law enforcement, to the point of suggesting "9/11 was an inside job". (Says one of the leaflets dropped by the novel's heroic protesters.)
I thought the 9/11 troof reference in that scene in Little Brother was to show how every protest movement can attract crackpots and others with an axe to grind; also specifically to show how Marcus's protests were being portrayed as anti-American by the DHS.
Awesome book by the way, I got a free signed copy when I joined the Open Rights Group.
However just the fact that whenever I try to make a logical argument, my only counter is "it's that way because scientists/smarter people than you say it is", and/or "what you say isn't true so there"
Did I say that? You offered an argument based on solar heating, I offered a logical counter argument. I don't know any more physics than what I studied as an undergraduate (astrophysics, not climate science) and I'm not trying to pretend I'm smarter than anyone else on here. I just look at the system in terms I can understand.
However, claiming that the sole political motive for attributing some atmospheric warming to human influence is to be able to raise taxes is
paranoid conspiracy nonsense, thus open to sarcastic comment. Don't take it personally. (Incidentally, the popularity of this topic began way before Gore made his movie. Global warming was a big issue in the 80s and 90s - Kyoto was in 1997.)
hey, where did all the CO2 to make the crude oil that's underground come from in the first place? Did it appear there by magic? Oh no wait, it was fixed from the atmosphere by microorganisms...hence it WAS in the atmosphere at some point - ALL of it
Indeed it was, although - and here's the crucial point - it was not all present in the atmosphere at the same time. The carbon in fossil fuels is the product of a long, long period of accumulation.
If we were burning fossil fuels at the same rate that they formed, there would be no problem.
I have stated this before, and yet no one seems to listen to a reasonable argument. Half of the planet is heated by the sun all the time. The other half - the night side, radiates heat away. In order to maintain a stable temperature, the heat radiated away must be the same as the heat absorbed. If the radiation is less, temperatures will rise. If it is more, temperatures will fall.
Correct. A system in quasi-equilibrium. However, solar radiation intensity is not the only variable.
You say elsewhere in your post that CO2 is not the major greenhouse gas in terms of its effect on heat retention, however it IS the greenhouse gas which has been steadily increasing in atmospheric concentration due to human activity. As CO2 increases, the total amount of heat retained by the atmosphere (ie not radiated away at night) will increase fractionally. Over time, that fractional increase will have a larger and larger effect, and that's not even getting into feedback effects (ie warmer temperatures mean more H2O evaporated - having significantly greater warming effect, as you rightly point out.). No increase in solar input is necessary.
Considering the huge amounts of energy involved, the complete inability of mankind to produce even a small fraction of that energy even if we wanted to...
It's not about the human energy input into the atmosphere, it's about the increase in retained solar energy due to increased amounts of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere due to human action.
After all, that's what anthropogenic climate change is all about - an excuse to push a new form of taxation on industry and eventually the population in general. Make sure you don't exceed your maximum quota of 16 breaths per minute, citizen, or you'll have to pay a fine.
That's entirely true. Every single one of those thousands of climate scientists who have been speaking out for decades on the issue have been paid off/coerced by the New World Order Illuminati lizard-men in order to advance their socialist tax-collecting agenda. And we never went to the moon. And George Bush planned the 9/11 attacks. And Princess Diana was murdered by the Duke of Edinburgh.
I'm not from the UK, so I don't know if the UK Times is a left or right wing paper. That is the source, as clearly stated above..
The Times is owned by News Corp (prop. R. Murdoch). You may be familiar with one of their other assets: Fox News.
Having said that, The Times is generally viewed as still having a small amount of journalistic integrity, compared to other Murdoch papers such asThe Sun, although that may be just a lingering affection for an ancient publication.
We need bittorrent over tor, with each bt-o-t client being a tor relay server by default. This would vastly improve the speed of browsing on tor, while giving almost totally anonymous filesharing.
Oil ain't safe it terr'ists can set fire to it (or mix it with fertiliser and set fire to the mixture).
Hydro ain't safe if terr'ists can poke a hole in the dam and drown folks downstream.
Coal ain't safe if terr'ists can push sacks of it out of a plane flying over a rock concert. Squelch.
There's only one way we can stop these terrorists. Take our shoes off before we get on a plane. That'll stop them.
Nicer than Guinness is Porterhouse Oyster Stout, served in the Porterhouse pub in Covent Garden.
Samuel Smith's stout is nice too. You can get it in the John Snow pub near Covent Garden, which stands near the site of the Broad street pump which was the source of a cholera outbreak. John Snow traced the outbreak to the pump and had the handle removed, inventing epidemiology in the process.
http://www.fancyapint.com/ and http://www.beerintheevening.com/ are good for finding pleasant watering holes.
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Stone tablets? All I had in my youth was a bunch of rocks.
Any legislative solution to this issue needs to address compression rather than max dBs. Maybe the legislation could be worded so as to apply to any broadcast advertising material that has intentionally been produced so as to be perceived as louder than the typical perceived loudness of a television programme. The key word here is 'perceived'.
Cory Doctorow -- who in his novel "Little Brother" had an obvious axe to grind against Homeland Security and law enforcement, to the point of suggesting "9/11 was an inside job". (Says one of the leaflets dropped by the novel's heroic protesters.)
I thought the 9/11 troof reference in that scene in Little Brother was to show how every protest movement can attract crackpots and others with an axe to grind; also specifically to show how Marcus's protests were being portrayed as anti-American by the DHS.
Awesome book by the way, I got a free signed copy when I joined the Open Rights Group.
However just the fact that whenever I try to make a logical argument, my only counter is "it's that way because scientists/smarter people than you say it is", and/or "what you say isn't true so there"
Did I say that? You offered an argument based on solar heating, I offered a logical counter argument. I don't know any more physics than what I studied as an undergraduate (astrophysics, not climate science) and I'm not trying to pretend I'm smarter than anyone else on here. I just look at the system in terms I can understand.
However, claiming that the sole political motive for attributing some atmospheric warming to human influence is to be able to raise taxes is paranoid conspiracy nonsense, thus open to sarcastic comment. Don't take it personally. (Incidentally, the popularity of this topic began way before Gore made his movie. Global warming was a big issue in the 80s and 90s - Kyoto was in 1997.)
hey, where did all the CO2 to make the crude oil that's underground come from in the first place? Did it appear there by magic? Oh no wait, it was fixed from the atmosphere by microorganisms...hence it WAS in the atmosphere at some point - ALL of it
Indeed it was, although - and here's the crucial point - it was not all present in the atmosphere at the same time. The carbon in fossil fuels is the product of a long, long period of accumulation.
If we were burning fossil fuels at the same rate that they formed, there would be no problem.
I have stated this before, and yet no one seems to listen to a reasonable argument. Half of the planet is heated by the sun all the time. The other half - the night side, radiates heat away. In order to maintain a stable temperature, the heat radiated away must be the same as the heat absorbed. If the radiation is less, temperatures will rise. If it is more, temperatures will fall.
Correct. A system in quasi-equilibrium. However, solar radiation intensity is not the only variable.
You say elsewhere in your post that CO2 is not the major greenhouse gas in terms of its effect on heat retention, however it IS the greenhouse gas which has been steadily increasing in atmospheric concentration due to human activity. As CO2 increases, the total amount of heat retained by the atmosphere (ie not radiated away at night) will increase fractionally. Over time, that fractional increase will have a larger and larger effect, and that's not even getting into feedback effects (ie warmer temperatures mean more H2O evaporated - having significantly greater warming effect, as you rightly point out.). No increase in solar input is necessary.
Considering the huge amounts of energy involved, the complete inability of mankind to produce even a small fraction of that energy even if we wanted to ...
It's not about the human energy input into the atmosphere, it's about the increase in retained solar energy due to increased amounts of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere due to human action.
After all, that's what anthropogenic climate change is all about - an excuse to push a new form of taxation on industry and eventually the population in general. Make sure you don't exceed your maximum quota of 16 breaths per minute, citizen, or you'll have to pay a fine.
That's entirely true. Every single one of those thousands of climate scientists who have been speaking out for decades on the issue have been paid off/coerced by the New World Order Illuminati lizard-men in order to advance their socialist tax-collecting agenda. And we never went to the moon. And George Bush planned the 9/11 attacks. And Princess Diana was murdered by the Duke of Edinburgh.
I'm not from the UK, so I don't know if the UK Times is a left or right wing paper. That is the source, as clearly stated above. .
The Times is owned by News Corp (prop. R. Murdoch). You may be familiar with one of their other assets: Fox News.
Having said that, The Times is generally viewed as still having a small amount of journalistic integrity, compared to other Murdoch papers such asThe Sun, although that may be just a lingering affection for an ancient publication.
Professor Henry Brubaker, of the Institute for Studies, said: "While there will always be debate over climate data, it's important to remember that the state of the world's icebergs and glaciers remains wholly dependant on which group of tedious, hectoring arseholes is currently winning the argument."
We need bittorrent over tor, with each bt-o-t client being a tor relay server by default. This would vastly improve the speed of browsing on tor, while giving almost totally anonymous filesharing.
Incidentally, I2P has a built-in torrent client
I think you have confused left-wing and right-wing for authoritarian and libertarian.
Think on more than one axis, please.
This "OMG your all communazis/totally fascist corporate slaves man" is getting tedious
If only we had guns in the UK, this sort of thing wouldn't happen.
Oil ain't safe it terr'ists can set fire to it (or mix it with fertiliser and set fire to the mixture). Hydro ain't safe if terr'ists can poke a hole in the dam and drown folks downstream. Coal ain't safe if terr'ists can push sacks of it out of a plane flying over a rock concert. Squelch. There's only one way we can stop these terrorists. Take our shoes off before we get on a plane. That'll stop them.
I don't think anyone's planning to build one of these plants at the mouth of the River Jordan just yet. There is no shortage of fresh water in Norway.
Nicer than Guinness is Porterhouse Oyster Stout, served in the Porterhouse pub in Covent Garden.
Samuel Smith's stout is nice too. You can get it in the John Snow pub near Covent Garden, which stands near the site of the Broad street pump which was the source of a cholera outbreak. John Snow traced the outbreak to the pump and had the handle removed, inventing epidemiology in the process. http://www.fancyapint.com/ and http://www.beerintheevening.com/ are good for finding pleasant watering holes.