Given that, I don't see why anyone would pay for OS X 1.0. The past suggests they will be charged for necessary bug fixes.
Obviously you've never owned or upgraded a Mac.
Apple just released the FREE update 9.1 for Mac OS 9, over a year after they released Mac OS 9 originally. Before 9.1, there was the 9.0.4 update, also free. For OS 8, there was the free 8.1 upgrade, and OS 8.5 had the free 8.5.1 and 8.6 upgrades. Back in the Dark Times, OS 7.5 has so many free upgrades, it was sad (7.5.5 was finally stable-ish).
Apple has a "Software Update" control panel in the OS, to automagically download patches to OS components when they're released. How much does Apple charge for this service? NOTHING, you ignorant troll.
Apple has a GREAT record of not charging for minor OS updates. It's the relatively big ones that are for-pay upgrades.
I mean, how many people didn't think twice about getting a PlayStation or N64 just to play games? Did you think that getting one was betraying Linux in some way?
I'm no MS supporter, but XBox is going to change almost everything in less than a year. The game market for the Mac and Linux is going to dry up, because you can target Win32 and get XBox as well. That's going to be hard to resist, esp. if the XBox is as cheap as everyone expects.
Apple doesn't have its own proprietary graphics API; they use OpenGL.
Apple does has its own proprietary graphics API. For 3D graphics, it was QuickDraw3D. The difference is that when it became clear that using it was one of the reasons no games were coming to the Mac, Apple bought a company which had ported OpenGL to the Mac and started distributing it far and wide. If you want, you can write a game using QuickDraw 3D, but I don't know anyone who does any more.
Traditional RPC protocols also require you to statically bind to an interface (.h file,.java file, IDL file). This means that when an interface changes, you need to recompile. This sucks.
And if you change your parameters for your remote procedure call, what magic part of SOAP is going to re-write your code to make it understand the changed protocol? Repeat after me: "Strong typing is a GOOD thing."
SOAP is dumb. It is solving the same problem that CORBA does, only it does it using a more verbose protocol. Wait a sec; Microsoft is behind SOAP. Now this makes more sense. They're just bringing bloat to RPC calls;-)
Very stirring. Of course, you aren't actually arguing against my original point, so your elequence is basically intellectual masturbation. But I believe you have the right to own it, so it's yours.
You mention three conditions for something to be "property." Your third condition is that it is possible to destroy it. How does, oh, land, fit that requirement? Sure, you could nuke it, but for most of the 5,000 years of civilization, land was permanent. It met your first two requirements, but not your third.
How about digital streaming video? It meets all three of your requirements; it can be used by the owner, the owner can lend it out ON HIS OWN TERMS, and it can be destroyed (the original is deleted). If you don't like the terms, don't use it. If you agree to the terms and ignore them, you're a liar. If you don't agree to the terms and use it anyway, you're a thief. Take your pick.
I was, of course, kidding when I said I didn't know if Canda allowed people to buy and sell stuff.
And I agree completely with you. I am one of the few people who doesn't mind paying taxes. I get stuff for them, even if that stuff is educating someone else's kids. It's all in my best interest, because it builds a better society.
What I was disagreeing with was the use of the word "Capitalist" as a slur. Capitalism is the best system yet devised to distribute goods and services. The distribution might not always be as equitable as everyone would like, but it beats all the alternatives.
I'm sure millions have died because of unsafe workplaces and sweatshop like conditions in captialistic societies. And millions more have died because of unsafe products that were intentionally made unsafe by the use of inferrior materials in order to reduce costs and increase profits.
And these things have nothing to do with anything inherit in captialism. Collective farms and not allowing individual initiative have everything to do with communism. Try again.
Our punishment for socially unacceptable behaviour is not that different, despite our best efforts to convince us otherwise.
Yes, but our rules are different. Rather than THOU SHALL most of them are formulated as THOU SHALL NOT. It's easier to NOT do something than it is to do it. It's also more moral, IMHO, to hold people accountable for sins of comission rather than sins of omission. If you can't see the difference between the two, I don't have anything to say to you.
If it weren't for this greed factor, I'm sure socialism or communism would work extremely well.
Well, duh. You mean a system that works based on motivations that people actually have is a good idea? Wow! You know, if it wasn't for gravity, I bet I could jump really high!
No, I confuse nothing. Stalin wanted collective farms as part of doing away with private property. Tens of millions starved due to this experiment with communism. Similar things happened in China and other communist countries.
I'm not even talking about the totalitarian aspects of the USSR. But they do logically flow from a lot of Communist theology. How do you force people to give up their private property and give according to their skills and only take according to their means? A one-way trip to Siberia was the prime motivator, since the kindness of people's hearts wasn't working.
This is a bit tangential, but it's interesting to note how many of the peace and love and sharing gurus are serious control freaks. Draw your own parallels to the rise of totalitarianism in the USSR.
Last time I checked, Canada is capitalist. You can buy stuff and sell stuff, and you can set the prices for what you are buying and selling (more or less).
True socialism would be fully government organized redistribution of all goods and services. I don't think Canada does that, but it's been a few years since I've been there.
Come on, stop and think: *intellectual property*? What kind of capitalistic, corporate oxymoron is that? It's absurd and every day grows more so.
Oooooh...capitalistic. How terrible. Please propose a system which works better than capitalism. There are about hundred million dead people from Stalin, Mao, and other various Communist goons' experiments in non-capitalism.
I don't understand how you can believe that a physical item can be owned but a non-physical item can't. Of course, if you don't believe in private ownership of physical items, please post your address and leave your door open tonight. Someone will stop by and borrow your stuff.
The article quotes one of the researchers saying that life has to adapt or die. In this case, does that indicate to us that the world is better for it in the end?
Assuming that by "The world", you mean planet Earth, a mass extinction means absolutely nothing. Short of the eventual expansion of the Sun int a red giant (in about 4 billion years) The Earth is still going to be here, no matter what. Life, in some form, will survive, no matter what.
Now, as a human being, I have a vested interest in human beings not going extinct. But I don't equate my personal interests with those of the planet.
I saw this movie once. It was about a guy whose father was murdered by his uncle, and the uncle then marries his mother. The guy, in his quest for revenge, kills the father of his girlfriend, the brother of his girfriend, sends two of his friends off to their deaths, and then kills his uncle. Oh, he and his mom are poisoned and the girlfriend goes mad and commits suicide. Gory, gory stuff.
You'd probably think something like this is very dangerous stuff. I bet you want to burn all evidence of its existence. Other people would consider Hamlet a classic of literature, stage, and screen. Different tastes, I guess.
The original Castle Wolfenstein ran on the 8-bit home computers (C-64, Apple II, Atari, etc). It was seriously revved by ID into Wolfenstein 3D, which is what you probably think of as the original Wolfenstein.
Well, Apple has shipped around 50,000 copies of the public beta, which are Unix-based. And there is Mac OS X Server, which has been out for nearly two years now. I figure Apple must have sold one or two of those.
At this point, Apple has probably shipped more copies of a Unix-based OS than several of the aforementioned companies.
Adobe killed DPS and required Apple to use DPDF because it's their "new thang" these days. Promotion of the moment, it seems. But the idea is the same, since PDF is PS.
False. Apple wrote their own Display PDF (AKA Quartz) in-house, because Adobe's DPS licence fees were outrageous. There's no Adobe code in Quartz.
And this is willful misunderstanding of what Bill Joy is talking about.
XML is being pushed by various yahoos as a way to achieve cross-platform compatibility. It doesn't. It provides a way to exchange data in a standard format, but nothing else. You still need some code to process the XML, and it is ideal for that code to be cross-platform to prevent vendor lock-in.
If you think that XML (or XML-RPC) alone is sufficient, please show me an XML parser written in XML. All the non-fanboys will clearly understand why this is a silly statement.
And if you read what Bill Joy said, he is doing just that. People think that just because something is easy, it is right. Copying copyrighted music electronically is easy. It is still stealing.
No, what Bill Joy did is called "Fair Use." He described a Dilbert cartoon. He didn't draw it (Cartoons include pictures, last time I checked), and he was using it as a reference. That's fine.
If he wants to show it as a slide in a presentation, then he has to pay Scott Adams money.
So the problem is the record industry and how it work, not electronic distribution of the works. Fix the problem.
It's amazing how much whining people are doing about the record industry, and how little they are actually doing about it. Do you want artists to get a better break? Form a company that does just that. Otherwise, quit your bitching.
However, I think we could pay a little more attention to life outside of furnishing the house and eating McDonalds, being the fat, murderous, uneducated, and restricted people we are.
And, of course, you are the exeception to this rule. Gee, how kind of you to even deign to speak to the rest of us sub-human slobs.
Well, that's just it. I don't want to apply kernel patches. I want an OS that works.
LinuxPPC is not a tenth as usable as Mac OS, much less Mac OS X. Linux bigots aside, the GUI isn't as good, the applications aren't as good or as plentiful, and the hardware support (where's my Software Base Station support in LinuxPPC? For those who don't know, it lets a Mac with an AirPort card work as an 802.11b base station, complete with WEP, MAC restrictions, etc.) is poor.
NetBSD and Darwin are kissin' cousins, so it doesn't seem worthwhile to use NetBSD if I want Unix. I might as well go with Mac OS X.
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And the band T'Pau took their name from that episode. I think I still know all the words to their one hit, "Heart and Soul".
Man, it's sick that I know this stuff...
-jon
Obviously you've never owned or upgraded a Mac.
Apple just released the FREE update 9.1 for Mac OS 9, over a year after they released Mac OS 9 originally. Before 9.1, there was the 9.0.4 update, also free. For OS 8, there was the free 8.1 upgrade, and OS 8.5 had the free 8.5.1 and 8.6 upgrades. Back in the Dark Times, OS 7.5 has so many free upgrades, it was sad (7.5.5 was finally stable-ish).
Apple has a "Software Update" control panel in the OS, to automagically download patches to OS components when they're released. How much does Apple charge for this service? NOTHING, you ignorant troll.
Apple has a GREAT record of not charging for minor OS updates. It's the relatively big ones that are for-pay upgrades.
-jon
I mean, how many people didn't think twice about getting a PlayStation or N64 just to play games? Did you think that getting one was betraying Linux in some way?
I'm no MS supporter, but XBox is going to change almost everything in less than a year. The game market for the Mac and Linux is going to dry up, because you can target Win32 and get XBox as well. That's going to be hard to resist, esp. if the XBox is as cheap as everyone expects.
-jon
Apple does has its own proprietary graphics API. For 3D graphics, it was QuickDraw3D. The difference is that when it became clear that using it was one of the reasons no games were coming to the Mac, Apple bought a company which had ported OpenGL to the Mac and started distributing it far and wide. If you want, you can write a game using QuickDraw 3D, but I don't know anyone who does any more.
-jon
And if you change your parameters for your remote procedure call, what magic part of SOAP is going to re-write your code to make it understand the changed protocol? Repeat after me: "Strong typing is a GOOD thing."
SOAP is dumb. It is solving the same problem that CORBA does, only it does it using a more verbose protocol. Wait a sec; Microsoft is behind SOAP. Now this makes more sense. They're just bringing bloat to RPC calls ;-)
-jon
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You mention three conditions for something to be "property." Your third condition is that it is possible to destroy it. How does, oh, land, fit that requirement? Sure, you could nuke it, but for most of the 5,000 years of civilization, land was permanent. It met your first two requirements, but not your third.
How about digital streaming video? It meets all three of your requirements; it can be used by the owner, the owner can lend it out ON HIS OWN TERMS, and it can be destroyed (the original is deleted). If you don't like the terms, don't use it. If you agree to the terms and ignore them, you're a liar. If you don't agree to the terms and use it anyway, you're a thief. Take your pick.
-jon
And I agree completely with you. I am one of the few people who doesn't mind paying taxes. I get stuff for them, even if that stuff is educating someone else's kids. It's all in my best interest, because it builds a better society.
What I was disagreeing with was the use of the word "Capitalist" as a slur. Capitalism is the best system yet devised to distribute goods and services. The distribution might not always be as equitable as everyone would like, but it beats all the alternatives.
-jon
And these things have nothing to do with anything inherit in captialism. Collective farms and not allowing individual initiative have everything to do with communism. Try again.
Our punishment for socially unacceptable behaviour is not that different, despite our best efforts to convince us otherwise.
Yes, but our rules are different. Rather than THOU SHALL most of them are formulated as THOU SHALL NOT. It's easier to NOT do something than it is to do it. It's also more moral, IMHO, to hold people accountable for sins of comission rather than sins of omission. If you can't see the difference between the two, I don't have anything to say to you.
If it weren't for this greed factor, I'm sure socialism or communism would work extremely well.
Well, duh. You mean a system that works based on motivations that people actually have is a good idea? Wow! You know, if it wasn't for gravity, I bet I could jump really high!
-jon
I'm not even talking about the totalitarian aspects of the USSR. But they do logically flow from a lot of Communist theology. How do you force people to give up their private property and give according to their skills and only take according to their means? A one-way trip to Siberia was the prime motivator, since the kindness of people's hearts wasn't working.
This is a bit tangential, but it's interesting to note how many of the peace and love and sharing gurus are serious control freaks. Draw your own parallels to the rise of totalitarianism in the USSR.
-jon
True socialism would be fully government organized redistribution of all goods and services. I don't think Canada does that, but it's been a few years since I've been there.
-jon
Oooooh...capitalistic. How terrible. Please propose a system which works better than capitalism. There are about hundred million dead people from Stalin, Mao, and other various Communist goons' experiments in non-capitalism.
I don't understand how you can believe that a physical item can be owned but a non-physical item can't. Of course, if you don't believe in private ownership of physical items, please post your address and leave your door open tonight. Someone will stop by and borrow your stuff.
-jon
Assuming that by "The world", you mean planet Earth, a mass extinction means absolutely nothing. Short of the eventual expansion of the Sun int a red giant (in about 4 billion years) The Earth is still going to be here, no matter what. Life, in some form, will survive, no matter what.
Now, as a human being, I have a vested interest in human beings not going extinct. But I don't equate my personal interests with those of the planet.
-jon
You'd probably think something like this is very dangerous stuff. I bet you want to burn all evidence of its existence. Other people would consider Hamlet a classic of literature, stage, and screen. Different tastes, I guess.
-jon
Sheesh; kids today ;-)
-jon
Well, Apple has shipped around 50,000 copies of the public beta, which are Unix-based. And there is Mac OS X Server, which has been out for nearly two years now. I figure Apple must have sold one or two of those.
At this point, Apple has probably shipped more copies of a Unix-based OS than several of the aforementioned companies.
-jon
False. Apple wrote their own Display PDF (AKA Quartz) in-house, because Adobe's DPS licence fees were outrageous. There's no Adobe code in Quartz.
-jon
XML is being pushed by various yahoos as a way to achieve cross-platform compatibility. It doesn't. It provides a way to exchange data in a standard format, but nothing else. You still need some code to process the XML, and it is ideal for that code to be cross-platform to prevent vendor lock-in.
If you think that XML (or XML-RPC) alone is sufficient, please show me an XML parser written in XML. All the non-fanboys will clearly understand why this is a silly statement.
-jon
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If he wants to show it as a slide in a presentation, then he has to pay Scott Adams money.
-jon
It's amazing how much whining people are doing about the record industry, and how little they are actually doing about it. Do you want artists to get a better break? Form a company that does just that. Otherwise, quit your bitching.
-jon
And, of course, you are the exeception to this rule. Gee, how kind of you to even deign to speak to the rest of us sub-human slobs.
-jon
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-jon
LinuxPPC is not a tenth as usable as Mac OS, much less Mac OS X. Linux bigots aside, the GUI isn't as good, the applications aren't as good or as plentiful, and the hardware support (where's my Software Base Station support in LinuxPPC? For those who don't know, it lets a Mac with an AirPort card work as an 802.11b base station, complete with WEP, MAC restrictions, etc.) is poor.
NetBSD and Darwin are kissin' cousins, so it doesn't seem worthwhile to use NetBSD if I want Unix. I might as well go with Mac OS X.
-jon