:) it takes all sorts, doesn't it? The world, life is not black or white, or at least very rarely. I agree not the "worst-case examples" at all. However they are just that, examples. People listen to "examples" and that response by the Pope isn't going to help. A bad example.
Those that happen to put themselves in the firing line tend to get shot.
"There are so many people who speak badly about religions or other religions, who make fun of them, who make a game out of the religions of others,"
Well that's what you get from millennia of religious abuse, wars, restrictions. Faith, hope, fantasy, not one word of it ever corroborated in any religion. Yet we are meant to show respect, tow the line. Why? Because otherwise you will torture, abuse me all in the name of "religion". Don't patronise me by telling me this is not true.
Prove it or shut the fuck up.
P.s We don't get our morals from religion, my observation is that quite often "religious" people have less ethics and morality than atheists.
Thank you,
This happens in all religions, it never ceases to amaze me the people don't understand their own religion sometimes. Like so called christian fundamentalist clinging to the 10 commandments.
that we've been interfering and killing their families since their grandparents were in diapers.
In recent history the west has done some immoral, illegal things in the middle east, true. However for how long do you think that islam has done worse in those geographical errors. 1893 & in 1915 an estimated 2.5 million Armenians were killed by the Ottomans , Dhimitude was only stopped under prodding by the west in 1853 in the Ottoman empire, not nice, not moral. Islam has estimated to have killed or caused the death of some 270 million
You mean Taqiyya, which is why unfortunately I feel very slow to trust Muslims & I sincerely wish that was not so:
“Taqiyya” is the religiously-sanctioned doctrine, with its origins in Shi’a Islam but now practiced by non-Shi’a as well, of deliberate dissimulation about religious matters that may be undertaken to protect Islam, and the Believers. A related term, of broader application, is “kitman,” which is defined as “mental reservation.” An example of “Taqiyya” would be the insistence of a Muslim apologist that “of course” there is freedom of conscience in Islam, and then quoting that Qur’anic verse — “There shall be no compulsion in religion.” {2:256} But the impression given will be false, for there has been no mention of the Muslim doctrine of abrogation, or naskh, whereby such an early verse as that about “no compulsion in religion” has been cancelled out by later, far more intolerant and malevolent verses. In any case, history shows that within Islam there is, and always has been, “compulsion in religion” for Muslims, and for non-Muslims.”Kitman” is close to “taqiyya,” but rather than outright dissimulation, it consists in telling only a part of the truth, with “mental reservation” justifying the omission of the rest. One example may suffice. When a Muslim maintains that “jihad” really means “a spiritual struggle,” and fails to add that this definition is a recent one in Islam (little more than a century old), he misleads by holding back, and is practicing “kitman.” When he adduces, in support of this doubtful proposition, the hadith in which Muhammad, returning home from one of his many battles, is reported to have said (as known from a chain of transmitters, or isnad), that he had returned from “the Lesser Jihad to the Greater Jihad” and does not add what he also knows to be true, that this is a “weak” hadith, regarded by the most-respected muhaddithin as of doubtful authenticity, he is further practicing “kitman.
Which is why at the very least I want sharia proscribed in my country and at the very most the same done for islam, because there is no truth or value to it. If I were religious I'd say it's demonic.
I see this in my office in the UK, some of the things Muslim co-workers have said or done is quite frankly beyond the pale, all because they are brain-washed.
The broken thing in islam was Mohamed.
You do realize that there is 1.6 billion of people that are muslims in the world
Actually it's closer to 1.7, so what? So you are saying because 1.7 billion follow a quite frankly immoral behaviour it makes it ok? All you can say about Christians is that they thump bibles, oppose gays and abortions!
Well at least we don't hang gays or have doctrines that justify murder, rape, deception, servitude all on a massive scale. I suggest you go and educate yourself.
Or have sex slaves, or that rape is sometimes OK. People really must learn about what Islam ACTUALLY teaches, not what they think it does based on their own, usually christian, world view
Yes please do, because if you want a numbers game I think you know that by far Islam is massively guilty here, So I'll be waiting.
The crusades were a reaction to the atrocities that Islam was engaged with CENTURIES, not decades but centuries in the Mediterranean & middle east, just like we are seeing now with ISIS. You know murder, torture, slaving all the sorts of things that are considered in-human. Come on the battle of Tours was in 732 [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B... ]. We were trying to wipe them out and for good reason.
The problem is that the issue IS with Islam, it is the problem, because you see Mohamed is meant to be the perfect man?! Really? How can a rapist, murdering, pedophile possibly be perfect? All muslims are taught to be like him. For example some of the great examples muslims follow Mohamed forces a 17 yr old Jewish girl called Safiyyah to marry him and rapes her on the same day her husband and family are killed in the battle of Khaibar (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 59, Number 522, Volume 1, Book 8, Number 367).
You know everything that is being done by these muslim terrorist (Al-nasura, ISIS, Boko haram, etc.....) All of it comes from the Quran, every bit of it. Try and do that with the new testament.
Political? Islam is a political system you fool!
So the issue fundamentally IS ISLAM, is Mohamed, his teachings and more importantly his behaviour. OK here's a snip for you to think about:
A Muslim state must [first] attack a Christian state—sorry, I mean any non-Muslim state—and they [the women, the future sex-slaves] must be captives of the raid. Is this forbidden? Not at all; according to Islam, sex slaves are not at all forbidden. Quite the contrary, the rules regulating sex-slaves differ from those for free women [i.e., Muslim women]: the latter’s body must be covered entirely, except for her face and hands, whereas the sex-slave is kept naked from the bellybutton on up—she is different from the free woman; the free woman has to be married properly to her husband, but the sex-slave—he just buys her and that’s that.
Oh did you notice the freudian slip she made as well?
Not only illiterate and a paedophile but a thief, murderer, liar.
Islam is a made up religion made up from other made up religions. It's like when you take a photocopy of a photocopy. Fucked up.
Utter rubbish there are many more verses that talk about what should be done to khafirs. What is it that you think ISIL and Boko Haram are actually doing? They are following their book of instructions.
Islam wants all people to be Muslims, and considers Muslims superior. But then, Christianity wants all people to be Christians, and considers Christians superior
Christianity has not concept of convert, pay a fine or die though does it. That is a doctrine in the Qua-ran amongst many others that in every possible way confirm to me that the root cause of many of the issues we have to day are due to Islam. It's doctrines, whether they are miss-used, miss-represented is irrelevant. That is what is happening.
Many people in for example Iran and Saudi Arabia would like their religious leaders to lighten up
Yes because it hasn't actually evolved / reformed at all. In fact you are NOT allowed to question or critically analyse anything regarding, Mohamed, Qua-ran and therefore Islam
Whereas the Spanish inquisition only used comfy chairs. They're famous for it. And the crusaders were never guilty of out-right slaughter, rape, murder, and forced conversion.
Islamic Jihad kills more people every year than the 350 years combined of deaths caused by the Spanish inquisition.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S...
Malaysian Muslims are trying to get laws passed now that would forbid any Christian proselytising, they can't take the fact that some Muslims might be waking up:
http://www.themalaymailonline....
kettle pot black.
Just in case you don't realise that Islam is not like the soft fluffy, inclusive, benign Christianity you are used to here is another example: http://mohabatnews.com/index.p...
FYI I'm an atheist I hold all religions to some degree in contempt, some more than others
http://www.naharnet.com/storie...
Islam is a dangerous, corrupt quasi-religious political system, founded on lies & murder.
You are making the mistake of thinking in, I assume, a Christian world view. Yes a lot of Muslims wont' give a shit, many, many, many of them will .
"remember the holy crusades"
What the crusades that started in the year 1095 a good 400 odd years AFTER the Muslims had been wrecking havoc in the middle east all the way into France. The same Crusades that after all the genocide, 1000's of battles, en-forced conversion and slavery by Islam that ultimately promoted a response from Christendom?
Plenty of so called Christians aren't really, they are just in name only, the same goes for Muslims. HOWEVER you obviously don't understand that Islam !== Christianity.
I suggest you actually see what Islam teaches, you will be shocked / sickened.
Is it choice when the punishment for leaving said religion is death?
At any rate it has nothing to do with social media, you might as well say that laser pointers, highlighters, post it notes, maps are all aiding and abetting terrorist plans. This is just deflection by the security services. I suggest they get back to doing some leg work, they've got lazy.
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:) it takes all sorts, doesn't it? The world, life is not black or white, or at least very rarely. I agree not the "worst-case examples" at all. However they are just that, examples. People listen to "examples" and that response by the Pope isn't going to help. A bad example. Those that happen to put themselves in the firing line tend to get shot.
I stand corrected. Thought I was excessively CDO, I'm a pussy cat compared to ye.
"There are so many people who speak badly about religions or other religions, who make fun of them, who make a game out of the religions of others,"
Well that's what you get from millennia of religious abuse, wars, restrictions. Faith, hope, fantasy, not one word of it ever corroborated in any religion. Yet we are meant to show respect, tow the line. Why? Because otherwise you will torture, abuse me all in the name of "religion". Don't patronise me by telling me this is not true.
Prove it or shut the fuck up.
P.s We don't get our morals from religion, my observation is that quite often "religious" people have less ethics and morality than atheists.
Thank you, This happens in all religions, it never ceases to amaze me the people don't understand their own religion sometimes. Like so called christian fundamentalist clinging to the 10 commandments.
can't stomach Fox. So what bits did I fabricate please?
Not for Christians there not, show me in the new testament where is says this?
that we've been interfering and killing their families since their grandparents were in diapers.
In recent history the west has done some immoral, illegal things in the middle east, true. However for how long do you think that islam has done worse in those geographical errors. 1893 & in 1915 an estimated 2.5 million Armenians were killed by the Ottomans , Dhimitude was only stopped under prodding by the west in 1853 in the Ottoman empire, not nice, not moral. Islam has estimated to have killed or caused the death of some 270 million
“Taqiyya” is the religiously-sanctioned doctrine, with its origins in Shi’a Islam but now practiced by non-Shi’a as well, of deliberate dissimulation about religious matters that may be undertaken to protect Islam, and the Believers. A related term, of broader application, is “kitman,” which is defined as “mental reservation.” An example of “Taqiyya” would be the insistence of a Muslim apologist that “of course” there is freedom of conscience in Islam, and then quoting that Qur’anic verse — “There shall be no compulsion in religion.” {2:256} But the impression given will be false, for there has been no mention of the Muslim doctrine of abrogation, or naskh, whereby such an early verse as that about “no compulsion in religion” has been cancelled out by later, far more intolerant and malevolent verses. In any case, history shows that within Islam there is, and always has been, “compulsion in religion” for Muslims, and for non-Muslims.”Kitman” is close to “taqiyya,” but rather than outright dissimulation, it consists in telling only a part of the truth, with “mental reservation” justifying the omission of the rest. One example may suffice. When a Muslim maintains that “jihad” really means “a spiritual struggle,” and fails to add that this definition is a recent one in Islam (little more than a century old), he misleads by holding back, and is practicing “kitman.” When he adduces, in support of this doubtful proposition, the hadith in which Muhammad, returning home from one of his many battles, is reported to have said (as known from a chain of transmitters, or isnad), that he had returned from “the Lesser Jihad to the Greater Jihad” and does not add what he also knows to be true, that this is a “weak” hadith, regarded by the most-respected muhaddithin as of doubtful authenticity, he is further practicing “kitman.
Yes 5%, 10% whatever. However the seeds for this behaviour is codified in their doctrines. Not really the same as most other religions.
No, it's not, just mostly. By a lot. So it's mainly then.
At the very least Islam & $cientology share a commonality. They are both baseless cults.
Policy Exchange: One third of British Muslims believe anyone who leaves Islam should be killed
http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/...
Which is why at the very least I want sharia proscribed in my country and at the very most the same done for islam, because there is no truth or value to it. If I were religious I'd say it's demonic.
I see this in my office in the UK, some of the things Muslim co-workers have said or done is quite frankly beyond the pale, all because they are brain-washed. The broken thing in islam was Mohamed.
Oh and it's not racism it's cultural-ism, get it right.
You do realize that there is 1.6 billion of people that are muslims in the world
Actually it's closer to 1.7, so what? So you are saying because 1.7 billion follow a quite frankly immoral behaviour it makes it ok? All you can say about Christians is that they thump bibles, oppose gays and abortions!
Well at least we don't hang gays or have doctrines that justify murder, rape, deception, servitude all on a massive scale. I suggest you go and educate yourself.
http://www.alarabiya.net/artic... http://www.raymondibrahim.com/... http://www.raymondibrahim.com/...
Or have sex slaves, or that rape is sometimes OK. People really must learn about what Islam ACTUALLY teaches, not what they think it does based on their own, usually christian, world view
need I go on?
Yes please do, because if you want a numbers game I think you know that by far Islam is massively guilty here, So I'll be waiting.
The crusades were a reaction to the atrocities that Islam was engaged with CENTURIES, not decades but centuries in the Mediterranean & middle east, just like we are seeing now with ISIS. You know murder, torture, slaving all the sorts of things that are considered in-human. Come on the battle of Tours was in 732 [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B... ]. We were trying to wipe them out and for good reason.
The problem is that the issue IS with Islam, it is the problem, because you see Mohamed is meant to be the perfect man?! Really? How can a rapist, murdering, pedophile possibly be perfect? All muslims are taught to be like him. For example some of the great examples muslims follow Mohamed forces a 17 yr old Jewish girl called Safiyyah to marry him and rapes her on the same day her husband and family are killed in the battle of Khaibar (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 59, Number 522, Volume 1, Book 8, Number 367).
You know everything that is being done by these muslim terrorist (Al-nasura, ISIS, Boko haram, etc.....) All of it comes from the Quran, every bit of it. Try and do that with the new testament.
Political? Islam is a political system you fool!
So the issue fundamentally IS ISLAM, is Mohamed, his teachings and more importantly his behaviour. OK here's a snip for you to think about:
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/...
A Muslim state must [first] attack a Christian state—sorry, I mean any non-Muslim state—and they [the women, the future sex-slaves] must be captives of the raid. Is this forbidden? Not at all; according to Islam, sex slaves are not at all forbidden. Quite the contrary, the rules regulating sex-slaves differ from those for free women [i.e., Muslim women]: the latter’s body must be covered entirely, except for her face and hands, whereas the sex-slave is kept naked from the bellybutton on up—she is different from the free woman; the free woman has to be married properly to her husband, but the sex-slave—he just buys her and that’s that.
Oh did you notice the freudian slip she made as well?
Not only illiterate and a paedophile but a thief, murderer, liar. Islam is a made up religion made up from other made up religions. It's like when you take a photocopy of a photocopy. Fucked up.
Utter rubbish there are many more verses that talk about what should be done to khafirs. What is it that you think ISIL and Boko Haram are actually doing? They are following their book of instructions.
Islam wants all people to be Muslims, and considers Muslims superior. But then, Christianity wants all people to be Christians, and considers Christians superior
Christianity has not concept of convert, pay a fine or die though does it. That is a doctrine in the Qua-ran amongst many others that in every possible way confirm to me that the root cause of many of the issues we have to day are due to Islam. It's doctrines, whether they are miss-used, miss-represented is irrelevant. That is what is happening.
Many people in for example Iran and Saudi Arabia would like their religious leaders to lighten up
Yes because it hasn't actually evolved / reformed at all. In fact you are NOT allowed to question or critically analyse anything regarding, Mohamed, Qua-ran and therefore Islam
Whereas the Spanish inquisition only used comfy chairs. They're famous for it. And the crusaders were never guilty of out-right slaughter, rape, murder, and forced conversion.
Islamic Jihad kills more people every year than the 350 years combined of deaths caused by the Spanish inquisition. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S...
Malaysian Muslims are trying to get laws passed now that would forbid any Christian proselytising, they can't take the fact that some Muslims might be waking up:
http://www.themalaymailonline....
kettle pot black.
Just in case you don't realise that Islam is not like the soft fluffy, inclusive, benign Christianity you are used to here is another example: http://mohabatnews.com/index.p...
FYI I'm an atheist I hold all religions to some degree in contempt, some more than others
http://www.naharnet.com/storie... Islam is a dangerous, corrupt quasi-religious political system, founded on lies & murder. You are making the mistake of thinking in, I assume, a Christian world view. Yes a lot of Muslims wont' give a shit, many, many, many of them will .
"remember the holy crusades" What the crusades that started in the year 1095 a good 400 odd years AFTER the Muslims had been wrecking havoc in the middle east all the way into France. The same Crusades that after all the genocide, 1000's of battles, en-forced conversion and slavery by Islam that ultimately promoted a response from Christendom? Plenty of so called Christians aren't really, they are just in name only, the same goes for Muslims. HOWEVER you obviously don't understand that Islam !== Christianity. I suggest you actually see what Islam teaches, you will be shocked / sickened. Is it choice when the punishment for leaving said religion is death? At any rate it has nothing to do with social media, you might as well say that laser pointers, highlighters, post it notes, maps are all aiding and abetting terrorist plans. This is just deflection by the security services. I suggest they get back to doing some leg work, they've got lazy.
He said taught, not use. There is a massive difference. Personally don't see the harm in that at all.
Bullshit! Changes in context, jumping from Desktop to Metro when searching for example, etc. No Nothing if fixed.