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Terrorists Used False DMCA Claims To Get Personal Data of Anti-Islamic Youtuber
An anonymous reader writes German newspaper FAZ reports (google translated version) that, after facing false DMCA claims by "FirstCrist, Copyright" and threatened by YouTube with takedown, a youtuber running the German version of Islam-critic Al Hayat TV had to disclose their identity in order to get the channel back online. Later, the channel staff got a mail containing a death threat by "FirstCrist, Copyright", containing: "thank you for your personal data. [...] take care your house gets police protection!" Employee names are now on Al Qaeda black lists.
The species and its imaginary friends are full of entertainment.
There must be some massive cognitive dissonance going on in media circles at the moment..
He tried to kill me with a forklift!
Use freedoms that they wouldn't give anyone in their countries to carry out their violent threats. Really I wish we could just exclude Muslims from human rights legislation (though I know that this case is about IPO).
So someone submits a false DMCA, and Youtube accepted this without requiring any proof. They then forced the youtuber to provide proof that it wasn't a copyright violation. They then provided said youtuber's personal information to the person submitting a false DMCA.
What in the actual fuck?
We should go back to the good old ways of the good old days, when copy right in fringe ment earned you an F B I raid, in stead of a take down no tice, man.
... spread so much heat about Islam and anything related to it (like Muslim Brothers), no wonder if Qaeda target them
Yes sure, the US govt. is super-paranoid about terrorism. But making sure Mickey Mouse gets paid is still more important.
The solution is to require anyone that wishes to submit DMCA requests has to have a DMCA license number and be registered with the country that the company resides in for the lawful take down.
That way youtube can confirm that the email address and license number match the organization that is requesting the DMCA.
To confirm the validity of the email, a random string is sent back and needs to be replied, or a link sent to the email that they have to click on to complete the DMCA.
Make it cost prohibitive to get a license so that only proper organizations can do this. If people monkey around, they get their license revoked and have to re-apply and risk being banned from receiving a license.
Problem solved, DMCA requests become more sane.
Man shilling for his imaginary friend finds the DMCA used against him by other men with a slightly different imaginary friend.
And here's Tom with the weather.
How does American Law apply to Europeans and people in Germany --- or do US companies carry the American flag with them when they provide services in Europe and such?
Priest: "Universe from nothing, no laws of physics, sped up time"+ huge discrepancies. Creationism? No. Big Bang Theory
Something that trolling groups have exploited since time immemorial. Nice to see old media is catching up with 2007 ruin tactics.
Which particular religion? There are lots of different types of muslims just as there are lots of different types of Christians, within each sect there are different races, white, black, mediterranean, Persian, Arab, SE Asian, etc. This is what currently happening in Iraq, ISIS broke off from the Sunni's and is now fighting Sunni, Shia and Kurds, they all hate each other almost as much as they hate ISIS.
Aside from that, following strict apostate rules has nothing to do with race, there is nothing in your genes that makes you a muslim therefore hating a muslim just for being a muslim is bigoted and ignorant, but it's not racist.
And did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage? - Pink Floyd.
If I were going to start such a channel. I would create a Nom De Plume (fake name). I would go to store and buy a burner phone that doesn't require a name. I would then create my channel using Nom De Plume and that phone number. Done deal!
- A Frog in a pond utters an azure cry. -
They are so frightened of the truth, or the freedom to spread information, that they have to scare people into not doing it.
Sorry but was there any actual proof this was undertaken by terrorists or can your average 15yo script kiddie cause a terrorism scare by simply whispering the word 'Al-Qaeda' now?
This is a 'known issue' amongst thousands of issues which come up when principles clash. Ask your friendly local Ethics professor...
It's a general legal principle in English Law that if you are accused you have a right to know who your accuser is. This is often considered to be a big problem in cases of rape, for example.
In this case Google have either to adjudicate a complex civil legal case themselves, or put the two complaining parties in touch with each other to sort things out. Which causes a problem if one doesn't want to be identified.
Ho-hum. More work for philosophers....
I wonder if there will be push back against the DMCA system now that it helped terrorists. Like there has been push back against encryption.
Thank you, Bradley Manning, Edward Snowden and so many others, for courageously defending humanity, my freedom and more!
Google isn't the problem here, they did exactly what was expected of them. The law itself ("safe harbor") isn't really a problem either. The problem is that there's no meaningfull check and balance. It's a very one-sided thing. The law wasn't written by all parties invoved, it was written singlehadedly with one side's interests in mind.
If someone cries "rape!" and gets a man arrested, and then we find out that it was just a girl scorned that didn't like her BF had cheated on her, SHE is now up for legal charges "filing a false statement" as well as a target for a civil suit.
No such balance exists with DMCA. Anyone can file a DMCA claim, and the recipient is legally obligated to take action. They're not [i]required[/i] to take action, but if they don't, they accept legal responsibility if the DMCA filing was lawful. So it's not really "optional" for them, even though it may appear so.
Then, if the filing turns out to be iffy, inaccurate, or even deliberaly misleading, there are NO penalties or liabilities of any kind for the person that filed the fraudulent DMCA notice.
This has several effects, and only some of them are really noticed. First, the victim has no recourse. They have no legal basis to sue the filer. No law has been broken, so law enforcement has no teeth either. But it doesn't stop there. The victim's only possible relief is a civil suit against the middleman tha received the notice. (google in this case) They have a pretty good defense since they can argue (as above) that although not legally obligated, they actually WERE obligated, indirectly. Also, google has no recourse against the filer. If they have to stage a legal defense against the victim, it's on their nickel, they can't recover any of the costs from the filer because google acted "voluntarily".
The only way out of this for google is to do research before acting on the notice. This causes all sorts of problems because not promptly taking the material down forfeits their protection, and there will be a cost to this, which is unrecoverable, regardless of the outcome.
Provisions for accountability need to be added to the law. Not so much to protect the victim, but to protect the intermediary, so they can act in the victim's best interst instead of as the filer's whipping dog. Do that, and it would (A) reduce the number of false claims, (B) make people think more carefully about filing a claim, (C) give the intermediaries some teeth to go after fraudulent filings. Once that's in place, the back end of the process will only be activated when there's a much better change it's necessary and appropriate.
Looking to change the back end of this process just isn't productive. The changes need to be made in the middle.
I work for the Department of Redundancy Department.
Holy Shit, a German who is racist and anti-immigrant! Now I've seen everything!
Who cares what they are frightened of? Their tactics work. How do you turn that against them? Heh, by finding and exploiting what they are frightened of perhaps? But something a little more, um... kinetic than a cartoon...
Under the European Data Protection Directive (EU LAW) personal data is protected from unauthorised disclosure.
I like that word. Kinetic has such a nice ring to it.
Employee names are now on Al Qaeda black lists
This desperately needs a citation.
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DMCA is American law. This post is pure bullshit meant to intimidate. FUCK YOU ASSHOLES
um, you mean *just like* 'real', 'normal' gummints do ? ? ?
from corporations.
Hey, so the DMCA now supports 'real' terrorism, not just the corporate kind.
Google really should stop rubbber-stamping all take down requests, at least have humans look at the more unusual ones.
If this is real, can we write to all members of congress that supported the DMCA asking them why they support Al Quaeda/Whichever group is behind this.
Then perhaps have the permits cost $35 per work, the same way registration with the US Copyright Office already does.
Make it cost prohibitive to get a license
I'd have it scale with the number of works that a copyright owner seeks to claim in notices of claimed infringement, such as 35 USD for a copyright registration on a work or a set of works published in a collection. This way both small-time individual authors and big-time work-made-for-hire publishers pay appropriate fees.
This is even better than my idea of having everyone file DMCA notices for everything. This is Al Qaeda, fighting to protect our freedoms from the oppressive American government. I hope they can get this law killed off as soon as possible.
Don't waste your vote! Vote for whoever you want, unless you live in a swing state it won't matter anyways
Thanks, America ... this really is your fault.
Who you talking to? Wherever you are chiming in from.. Bullpucky. America, that is to say true Americans didn't have anything to do with this lopsided corporate dicklicking law. Go run yourself through with that pointy finger or you do something about this law you are blaming me for. I get so fricking tired of uneducated wankers blaming loyal Americans for all the evils and ills in this world. You think you know something? What part of 320,000,000 Americans had absolutely nothing to do with the passage of this DMCA bullshit law don't you understand? Wait, are you thinking what I'm thinking? A 320 Million man & woman march on Washington, DC? Nutjob...
Can someone teach those morans science?
We Told You So (over 10 years ago).
Captcha: emperors
What about Catholicism? Britain suffered hundreds of years of attacks from Catholics. Yesterday (Nov 5th) was a national celebration burning the effigy of the leader of a Catholic terror group who plotted a terrorist attack in London. For decades Irish Catholics carried out terror attacks in British cities, killing thousands of innocent people. Popes through history have ordered the murder of millions of people, Protestants, Cathars, the European wars of religion, it was all carried out at the direction of the Vatican. But now you think we should forget all that, and blame Muslims for everything? Muslims weren't even here for the wars of religion, they had nothing to do with it.
Can we please have a little better quality control on the submissions? I had to read it three times to even begin to comprehend what was happening. Even then, the final sentence is highly confusing.
tough times
Fuck Islam.
It's a religion of dogs and cowards who fear women.
A warning was previously given to law makers, and social media outlets including Facebook, Youtube, Yahoo, Google and others, that if their lack of security resulted in endangering other people, regardless of law, and regardless of the endangered having an account with them or not, then they should expect retaliations as well.
As soon as somebody's kid gets kidnapped or killed, I would not be surprised to see the board members of the social media site get killed out of revenge.
If you don't stand behind the foundations of America which is freedom, and our constitutional rights, then close your doors and get the hell out of our country.