I would find it difficult to move away from an open source OS with all the activity and development surrounding it
WHAT activity? Have any apps that WORK shipped? Can anyone use Linux on the desktop yet? Open Source DOESN'T WORK because there is no INCENTIVE to get anything DONE! No one gets PAID for their work.
Just look at Gobe Productive to see the difference in quality between open source and commercial software!
If Palm wants to persue BeOS, then there isn't a NEED to try to recreate BeOS in other ways.
It stuns me that there is STILL so much interest in BeOS among so many, yet the "owners" of BeOS STILL refuse to make it available! It's like they made such an amazingly BAD decision with this Internet Appliance thing that they can't face up to the reality that they had a good thing going.
OK, so it looks like it's all developers and students using Linux on the desktop.
Is there anyone using it that BUYS SOFTWARE? If not there's no chance of a commercial software marketing developing, which will drive Linux onto MAINSTREAM desktops.
Under COBRA (The Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act) passed by Congress in l985, some laid-off or terminated workers (those fired for reasons other than gross misconduct) are entitled to continuation of health benefits for extended periods of time. COBRA doesn't cover companies with fewer than 20 employees, and it doesn't cover all workers terminated under all circumstances. If the company goes bankrupt, for example, COBRA doesn't apply at all. You have to check and see if you're eligible.)
Yes, but you have to pay for it yourself. Which is difficult when you are unemployed. My COBRA currently costs $435 per month for me and my wife. Almost exactly half my unemployment check.
Well I've been saying that Gobe Productive looks like it's going to be great for promoting Linux in offices. And I see that they have a pre-order price special going on.
I used Gobe Productive on BeOS, and I've got to tell you if it is coming to Linux, then Linux is going to be a SERIOUS competitor for office use! This is GREAT news!
Internet appliances offered less functionality at a higher price. Duh.
Compare this to digital jukebox devices, letting you rip CDs into MP3s and the screen sorts by artist, album or tune... all the while hooked to the internet... Massive increase in functionality over a CD player.
So Be in their brilliance, after dropping their popular desktop OS and dissing all their customers and developers Be goes after the internet appliance market. DOH! Meanwhile they had their HARP device sitting there... DOH!
I find it interesting that BeFS is mentioned so prominently by each of the developers as a goal for an FS to aspire to, yet the OS itself has basically died even though it was given away for free. What does this tell us?
That the fact that you can not purchase a computer that has Windows plus another OS installed on it is the result of illegal contracts foisted on the computing industry by an illegal, out-of-control monopoly?
That really, really, really bad management can kill even the best technologies?
That a smart software publisher should call Palm and see about licensing the BeOS desktop to sell to the public?
Microsoft's OEM agreements prevent any manufacturer from installing a second OS on a computer. You CAN NOT purchase a computer with Windows and another OS installed on it. This is what prevented BeOS (and Linux) from getting any consumer traction. Until there was that possibility there was no way to compete with Microsoft. You cannot ask consumers to partition a drive and install a second OS themselves.
It is not fair to say an OS doesn't support a particular hardware device. If the OS comes on the computer when you buy it, it supports the hardware.
These OEM agreements have been ruled llegal by a court and an appeals court. But Microsoft has used delaying tactics (and campaign contributions) to delay implementation of the court's judgement. Maybe some day another OS will be viable but until the law is enforced there will not be any real competition in the OS market.
I agree that Palm is a good candidate. The Sony Clie and the eVilla would then both use Palm OS's, and the memory stick angle would be across a line...
The worst part of this to me was that the US Attorney was refusing to tell the defense how this program works.
I know that programs like Last Resort catch every keystroke you type and put it into a file that you can check later. It's been around for years. I remember opne guy wrote a book where they caught a guy stealing company secrets using the program.
If you can not buy a computer that has Windows and another operating system installed nothing has changed, and nothing CAN change. Currently manufacturers are prohibited by (illegal) contract from this. The court ruled it illegal, yet nothing has changed.
You also can not buy a computer that has Windows and any non-Microsoft productivity apps installed.
You can not purchase a computer that has Windows and another operating system installed on it. Microsoft does not allow this. This new scam from Microsoft changes nothing.
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" The economy however suffers when taxes are higher"
Actually, if you look at history the economy does much better when taxes are higher. Just look at a chart of GDP growth next to current tax rates. It's just a fact. Look at what happened after Clinton's 1993 tax increase which fell entirely on people making over $250,000.
This makes sense too, when you think about it. When taxes are higher on the rich, not on working people and is distributed downward by the government it means more government services -- while the overall tax burden is lower for working people.
We have a consumer-goods economy, which is driven by more people having more money to spend, not by a few rich people having more money to spend. So this would explain why the economy does better when taxes are higher.
"So basically what you are saying here is that only the unions can protect us from illegal employment practices? Isn't that what laws and the courts are for?
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How do you think those laws got there? How long do you think they will STAY there without strong unions? Why do you think the Republicans are trying to stop unions from being involved in politics?
In California the Republicans were actually able to repeal the 40 hour week a few years ago. It got changed back, but you always have to be on guard. And they keep trying to repeal the minimum wages as well.
Didn't like your union or your contract? What did you do to change things? Did you run for office in the union? Did you work to get co-workers to vote for diffrent kinds of contracts?
"I hold to the principle that capitalism, through the mechanism of "creative destruction", is a Good Thing that leads to higher standards of living for large numbers of people over long periods of time. "
So how come it never did that before unions came along? How come we were a nation of impoverished people with a few really rich people? How come children had to work just to eat? How come there was no health insurance or vacation time or safety protection or 40 hour week or sick time or... you name it.
EVERYTHING you take for granted on your job came about because of UNIONS, not because of the generosity of corporations.
I'm curious about the anti-union people, what tdo they think THEY will get out of it if their philosophy succeeds?
Actually, you said it in your message, you EXPECT TO STARVE after your skills become obsolete. (You left out the possibility of a labor surplus occirring.) What kind of suicidal idiot advocates a society that is guaranteed to kill him?
"By raising the cost of labor to the employer (and the employee) they force companies to look for third world solutions to labor costs."
I got news for you. There are more people in the world than there are jobs. You should think about the moral implications of that as well as the consequences to our country. We can design policies that allow companies to force workers to accept lower wages (or move to low wage countries and then force THEM to accept lower wages) OR we can design policies designed to bring HIGHER wages to other countries so they become markets for us.
If you truly advocate that we allow companies to just pack up and move jobs overseas at will the end result is NECESSARILY that we become a nation of poverty, and that a certain percentage of the world starve.
Never mind that you are unpatriotically advocating that people in America be paid less, I'm talking about the moral implications of advocating policies that require that wages spiral down to the lowest possible level.
"I don't belong to any groups. I don't affiliate myself with anything. I am productive because I choose to be. I don't need handouts, and I don't want any."
You also sound like you are about 11 years old and need to grow up.
You live in a country full of other people. Get used to it. Some day you might get married and have a family. Your current("mine, mine, mine") philosophy isn't going to work.
I worked in the auto industry many years ago, and grew up in Michigan. I suggest that you study some history and you'll learn HOW the union rules got that way. It was not because of the unions, it was in response to the kinds of things the auto companies would to to try to block the workers from having rights. So the contracts had to spell out every little detail like this.
It's too bad, too, because the companies had to learn the hard way that cooperating with the workers makes a lot more sense and results in a much better product. The American car companies are STILL trying to catch up to the Japanese and German car companies because of this history of bad treatment of U.S. workers.
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WHAT activity? Have any apps that WORK shipped? Can anyone use Linux on the desktop yet? Open Source DOESN'T WORK because there is no INCENTIVE to get anything DONE! No one gets PAID for their work.
Just look at Gobe Productive to see the difference in quality between open source and commercial software!
If Palm wants to persue BeOS, then there isn't a NEED to try to recreate BeOS in other ways.
It stuns me that there is STILL so much interest in BeOS among so many, yet the "owners" of BeOS STILL refuse to make it available! It's like they made such an amazingly BAD decision with this Internet Appliance thing that they can't face up to the reality that they had a good thing going.
I wonder if the families of the WTC victims can sue them if it is found they helped the terrorists plan the attack?
OK, so it looks like it's all developers and students using Linux on the desktop.
Is there anyone using it that BUYS SOFTWARE? If not there's no chance of a commercial software marketing developing, which will drive Linux onto MAINSTREAM desktops.
Yes, but you have to pay for it yourself. Which is difficult when you are unemployed. My COBRA currently costs $435 per month for me and my wife. Almost exactly half my unemployment check.
Who is our economy for?
Who is our country for?
Well I've been saying that Gobe Productive looks like it's going to be great for promoting Linux in offices. And I see that they have a pre-order price special going on.
I used Gobe Productive on BeOS, and I've got to tell you if it is coming to Linux, then Linux is going to be a SERIOUS competitor for office use! This is GREAT news!
Internet appliances offered less functionality at a higher price. Duh.
Compare this to digital jukebox devices, letting you rip CDs into MP3s and the screen sorts by artist, album or tune... all the while hooked to the internet... Massive increase in functionality over a CD player.
So Be in their brilliance, after dropping their popular desktop OS and dissing all their customers and developers Be goes after the internet appliance market. DOH! Meanwhile they had their HARP device sitting there... DOH!
That the fact that you can not purchase a computer that has Windows plus another OS installed on it is the result of illegal contracts foisted on the computing industry by an illegal, out-of-control monopoly?
That really, really, really bad management can kill even the best technologies?
That a smart software publisher should call Palm and see about licensing the BeOS desktop to sell to the public?
I don't get it. What about programs like Last Resort? Are they classified now?
Microsoft's OEM agreements prevent any manufacturer from installing a second OS on a computer. You CAN NOT purchase a computer with Windows and another OS installed on it. This is what prevented BeOS (and Linux) from getting any consumer traction. Until there was that possibility there was no way to compete with Microsoft. You cannot ask consumers to partition a drive and install a second OS themselves.
It is not fair to say an OS doesn't support a particular hardware device. If the OS comes on the computer when you buy it, it supports the hardware.
These OEM agreements have been ruled llegal by a court and an appeals court. But Microsoft has used delaying tactics (and campaign contributions) to delay implementation of the court's judgement. Maybe some day another OS will be viable but until the law is enforced there will not be any real competition in the OS market.
I agree that Palm is a good candidate. The Sony Clie and the eVilla would then both use Palm OS's, and the memory stick angle would be across a line...
I know that programs like Last Resort catch every keystroke you type and put it into a file that you can check later. It's been around for years. I remember opne guy wrote a book where they caught a guy stealing company secrets using the program.
I kow that Last Resort has been doing this for a long time.
The day after Microsoft made a large donation to the state Republican party , no less!
If you can not buy a computer that has Windows and another operating system installed nothing has changed, and nothing CAN change. Currently manufacturers are prohibited by (illegal) contract from this. The court ruled it illegal, yet nothing has changed.
You also can not buy a computer that has Windows and any non-Microsoft productivity apps installed.
You can not purchase a computer that has Windows and another operating system installed on it. Microsoft does not allow this. This new scam from Microsoft changes nothing.
Actually, if you look at history the economy does much better when taxes are higher. Just look at a chart of GDP growth next to current tax rates. It's just a fact. Look at what happened after Clinton's 1993 tax increase which fell entirely on people making over $250,000.
This makes sense too, when you think about it. When taxes are higher on the rich, not on working people and is distributed downward by the government it means more government services -- while the overall tax burden is lower for working people.
We have a consumer-goods economy, which is driven by more people having more money to spend, not by a few rich people having more money to spend. So this would explain why the economy does better when taxes are higher.
How do you think those laws got there? How long do you think they will STAY there without strong unions? Why do you think the Republicans are trying to stop unions from being involved in politics?
In California the Republicans were actually able to repeal the 40 hour week a few years ago. It got changed back, but you always have to be on guard. And they keep trying to repeal the minimum wages as well.
I suspect that I already know the answer.
So how come it never did that before unions came along? How come we were a nation of impoverished people with a few really rich people? How come children had to work just to eat? How come there was no health insurance or vacation time or safety protection or 40 hour week or sick time or ... you name it.
EVERYTHING you take for granted on your job came about because of UNIONS, not because of the generosity of corporations.
I'm curious about the anti-union people, what tdo they think THEY will get out of it if their philosophy succeeds?
Actually, you said it in your message, you EXPECT TO STARVE after your skills become obsolete. (You left out the possibility of a labor surplus occirring.) What kind of suicidal idiot advocates a society that is guaranteed to kill him?
Talk about being brainwashed!!
I got news for you. There are more people in the world than there are jobs. You should think about the moral implications of that as well as the consequences to our country. We can design policies that allow companies to force workers to accept lower wages (or move to low wage countries and then force THEM to accept lower wages) OR we can design policies designed to bring HIGHER wages to other countries so they become markets for us.
If you truly advocate that we allow companies to just pack up and move jobs overseas at will the end result is NECESSARILY that we become a nation of poverty, and that a certain percentage of the world starve.
Never mind that you are unpatriotically advocating that people in America be paid less, I'm talking about the moral implications of advocating policies that require that wages spiral down to the lowest possible level.
You also sound like you are about 11 years old and need to grow up.
You live in a country full of other people. Get used to it. Some day you might get married and have a family. Your current("mine, mine, mine") philosophy isn't going to work.
It's too bad, too, because the companies had to learn the hard way that cooperating with the workers makes a lot more sense and results in a much better product. The American car companies are STILL trying to catch up to the Japanese and German car companies because of this history of bad treatment of U.S. workers.