I live in the UK and have always found the weather too cold around there... If we could get a tropical weather that would be wonderfull!
And with all the flooding we have had and the rising of the water, I am sure in 10 years, my house will be close to the beach (I am about 200km from it right now).
I still don't understand why Sony is trying to sue people writing emulators. After all, they loose money on the hardware, so an emulator is a good thing for them... Besides, I really don't believe Piracy can be linked with emulation for the Playstation. After all, you can read "backup" CDs with your Playstation and a little converter.
I have the feeling this is just a kind of bad habit. Sony is being protective because big companies have to be paranoid and sue everything that might infringe on their copyrights.
Once more, Linux shows it's superior design...
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Ha ha ha, when I think that Windows users loose 20% of their batery life and up to 15% of their CPU because of their clock... And all this, just because you can not suppress the clock from the taskbar.
At least in Linux you can go and edit your xinitrc not to start xclock if you don't want it to!
Hummm, I am surprised you mention the UK since all their dvp is done in the US (like for most US companies). But I have to agree, HP-UX has it's quirks like any OS, but maybe more than your average UNIX. I had a colleague at Ford (in Germany) who once said: "They should not let amateurs like HP make their own UNIX" (he had to switch from DEC Unix to HP-UX because the HP workstations where so much cheaper). I for one, was always happy with HP since their workstation delivered good UNIX performance for just a little more than a PC.
This was till I started working for them. What a joke! I have never seen such a poor service. They probably treat their big customers (like FORD) better than they treat their own employees but I have never seen such a bunch of incompetent people. I left HP (and the country) thinking, I never want to work again for such a bunch of amateurs (it was in France).
On an unrelated note, what you say about Elm does not surprise me... Remember that the STL were made by HP labs in Paolo Alto and that for years C front (their C++ compiler) was not able to handle the STL. Only a few years ago, they switched to aCC and were able to use their own code.
Just of out of interrest, what company are you working for? I worked for Ford and HP and neither of those company would spend 1000 x $60 when they could buy one CD and put it on the network...
And it's not because they have not got money, just because $60000 pound for free software is just not a clever idea. If you try to get Linux installed on many systems, you would probably make your own config and save it? No?
Anyway, concerning their statements, they are marketing stuff...
And one last, thing, for someone who criticizes them so much, you have got lot's of their distribution. Did you buy them all or just downloaded them? Just curious...
Ok, what's your point? It's better to have only installed what you really need? And you would better have nothing on your CD that the possibility (and the default) option of installing too much.
Now honestly, how many sysadmins are stupid enough to install the default configuration? Do you think that even NT admins do that???
Secondly, for your average Linux user, do you think it's more important to have the minimum install or to have many packages more or less tested that you can fiddle with?
Once more I come back to my first point: Ok, you have got many things, you don;t have to install them and if you think that the only install option should be mimimum one then you are probably not the main target for SuSE (and yes, going with debian is probably the best idea).
I am sysadmin and I work with many many unices, including Solaris, HP-Ux, AIX, Linux and QNX, I know which ones I prefer, and I also know the best way to install a package is by doing a./configure ; make ; make install
Exactly! So who care about what get installed, just do the minimal install and add the packets you need.
> You can even keep your current install, I am sure it has got
> all the stable software you need.
So why would I use SuSe, then ?
Exactly, don't use it! I am not about what YOU need but more about what SuSE can sell and what they expect (most) people to want...
> > But why should I care when the Caldera eDesktop will just
> > make a clean an stable install of what I need ?
> Ok, why should you care?
This is a discussion forum, isn't it.
I am just pointing out that SuSe might have more useful things to do to promote itself than put kernel 2.4 in its distro
And that's my point as well: I tell you what SuSE's business plan is.
> And why should SuSE care about what you care?
Because I am a potential customer and I don't want to remain
attached to any specific distro, it is deontologically to keep
an eye on whoever in order to get a decent distro.
Linux is a big market where poeple don't really need to pay for what they want. So ask yourself who you would be trying to sell a distro to? What kind of customer should they go after for big sales numbers?
> > Else, they should follow their motto which is to bring Linux
> > to the non technical.
> Since when is that their moto?
Recently, I guess.
Do you think Corel sold them their old moto now that they are going out of business?;o)
> This is Microsoft's moto (just replace Linux with Technology
>;o) I always thought their moto was:
> Put everything on the CD, get recent versions, poeple will buy
> it and get a newer version in one year.
Well, this wouldn't please most customers, especially the corporations.
Where are the big corporations who will buy 1000 CDs for their site? If they do this, that's silly, they could make free copy or even better, make their own install CD customized to their site... No wait, they could even pay SuSE to do it for them! But then why should they worry about the mainstream install?!?
> Let's just be the best at doing that.
> I know it works for me...
Lucky you.
When I say it works for me, I mean I will buy 7.1 (as I bought 6.0 more than a year ago).
I did not see where it said the default was 2.2.18 Anyway, does it really matter which one is the default? Are there really many people who take a distribution, install the default kernel and are done with it? I hope not!
I believe what motivate people to buy a distro is to have the option to install recent versions of the software they want and that the system stays easy to upgrade and fiddle with...Or has the "dumbing" of the Linux community already happened?!?
>Ok Juju, my point is that the SuSe package install is a nightmare Ok, but they all are a nightmare... Ever tried Solaris?
>just choose some default install mode and you'll get zillions of megabytes full of redundant crap you'll mostly never use Well, yeah, that's what a default install is all about...
>So, yes, I could just avoid to install any beta package that I don't want Why should you? You can even keep your current install, I am sure it has got all the stable software you need.
>but why should I care when the Caldera eDesktop will just make a clean an stable install of what I need ? Ok, why should you care? If it works for you, good for you. And why should SuSE care about what you care?
>Else, they should follow their motto which is to bring Linux to the non technical. Since when is that their moto? This is Microsoft's moto (just replace Linux with Technology;o) I always thought their moto was: put everything on the CD, get recent versions, poeple will buy it and get a newer version in one year. Let's just be the best at doing that. I know it works for me...
How come no one has got anything interresting to say about this? All I see is comment like "hopefully, Debian [slackware...] will follow soon with 2.4". Mind you, this is not very interresting news, but hey, this is Slashdot. I am surprised there has been no annoucement about "KDE 2.1 beta2 being available for download" yet. This is sooo pathetic, got nothing interresting to say? Like "SuSE is catching up with Slackware, has overtaken RedHat but is still behin Mandrake and it's 7.2".
>SuSe7 came with KDE2 and it was catastrophic.
>Why does SuSe still want to play Avant-garde ?
Maybe becaused this is what people who buy a new distro want? Maybe selling an 'old' version (that you can find free in a magazine) is not a very good business model...
Anyway, I am happy they plain Avant-garde, and you can always dwonload bug fixes later.
>In 1999 they were the first to deliver the ATI128 X server
>but they should not deliver stuff they have neither coded nor tested by themselves.
If you don't want to use them, don't. It is still better to deliver something that works with some configuration than deliver nothing. Remember the moto "release early, release often" ?
>2.4 is nice, but not quite ready for the non-geek.
Really? I thought Linux in general is not ready for the non-geek, but go figure! I mean, SuSE could probably make a lot of money by selling their stock of old SuSE 6.4, why do they bother,making new versions...
Oooops, I forgot to say "I know I will be moderated down for saying this, but...", how am I going to get karma without saying it?!? How will people know I am sooo coool that I am not affraid to stand for my opinions?
Wow, a serious answer! I was not expecting that...
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Ok, I was not starting a flamebait and I don't give a fsck about which one of KDE and Gnome will win...
Personally, I don't even use computers anymore, I am going back to using a typewriter and stamps.
In short, I could not care less about the embedded market! I was only joking.
Where Qt goes, GTK will follow... (or vice versa)
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Like in every good old war, everytime someones conquers a new market, the opponent will follow.
But it's good to know that PDAs owner will now be able to participate in the KDE/Gnome wars.
Is this going to be the next big computer war? After Vi vs. Emacs, Unix vs. Windows, KDE vs. Gnome seems to be looking better every day.
By the way, don't bother flaming me, I am not interrested at all...;o)
no war since 1515 (they lost against the french)
rich country
high salaries (higher than in the US)
beautiful mountains
only drawback, small country... But, you can still travel, right?
Go have a look to the answer I made about his comment. I know English is not one of my native languages but I still thought I was able to get my ideas through:o(
This is not about how right it is to do something or not. This is about the law that every country has the right to live in.
Let's go back to the basic point I am making:
why is there no kid porn for auction on ebay, yahoo or whatever. Because for some people (which happen to be the majority), it is wrong so if another country thinks it's wrong (France, Germany) then it is their right to have it the way they want as well as it's Yahoo's right to decide they want to respect that.
Hey, don't get me wrong!
I don't want to push all the history under a rug and pretend it does not exist. That's probably the worst we could do since the only possible fight against it is education.
What I am against is the cult of racism. It is about allowing people to spread lies and organize racist crimes. I don't agree with the KKK being able to exist in the UK. And ok this be wrong on a "freedom of thought and speech" level but this is not a very good argument since these groups are against even more basic freedoms...
I agree that everybody is more or less racist and was quite surprised to see to which extent people are in the UK (especially in the North). And I thought France was bad...
Anyway, I think you misunderstood my message. I have lived in Germany a few years and I find there attitude towards racism to be both efficient and sensible. And part of it is preventing fachist/racist propaganda in any form.
I mean, it's allowed in Thailand so why can't we buy some good ole kiddies porn videos?
Laws are laws, it's the right for each country to choose what is right or not.
If it is legal to be a racist neo-nazi in the US, I don't see why we should tolerate this in Europe.
As well as the US don't have to accept the laws of Thaliand where a 7 year old can be sold by his familly to a whorehouse...
Look how much the gap is closing... I use to remember times where Alpha was more than 3 times faster than anything Intel would build. They also had the highest clock speed (150Mhz vs. 66Mhz for Intel).
But the situation has changed! The following figures are Spec95_int and Spec95_fp AMD Althon/650Mhz ---> 29.4 - 22.4 Alpha 21264/667Mhz ----> 32.1 - 49.0 So at the same clock speed, Athlon is as fast as Alpha whereas it is half the speed for floating operations. But this is at the same speed. Athlon reaches way higher frequencies so the gap is very small in fp and Alpha is beaten in int. And the price difference is massive. I have got an Alpha server, a Dual ultra-sparc workstation and a whole bunch of PCs, believe me, the speed is about the same for 1/10th of the price.
So you want the P4 to die and be replaced by a IA64? Well, I do hope that the 64bit goodness will be worth the lost Mhz. I know, Mhz is not everything but if you look closely at the performance difference of lets say an Athlon (highest possible clock) and an Alpha (highest clock as well) then you won't see that much of a difference except in the price.
What I mean is that the P4 is going to be clocked over 2Ghz very soon and will probably reach 4Ghz in the next two years. At that time, IA64 will still be trying to reach 1Ghz. IA64 is the biggest flop of Intel so far so I am not too eager to put my hand on it. Besides, the only reason to want 64 bit is to be able to access 2Gb of address space per process. I don't really see this as being necessary right now...
Ok, so if Thailand decide it's ok to sell child pornography (videos or whatever) over the internet, you think that Americans should still be able to see the pictures? And view the items?
But of course, almighty America would not let Thailand do that and would put economic pressure on them... But then I guess it helps to be the "police of the world" and have the implicit right to decide what is right to show and what is not.
I'll agree on Nazi auctions and stuff, as soon as the US accept to suppress all censorship! Including drugs, sex and other non-politically-correct-stuff.
I agree that limiting freedom of speech is a *BAD* thing but then, stick to it all the way.
As much as I love F1, I think they could have a computer do that... As a matter of fact I though a show on TV saying that it would be possible. In 93, Benneton already had cars who knew the tracks and changed their settings (they had hydraulic suspension) to adapt to bumps and stuff like that.
Besides, I don't see why it should be difficult to get a car doing a good lap... Remember, computer have got the precision and instant reaction to help them (think ABS, ALS and other gizmos now forbidden in F1).
I don't see why this moderated "funny", I would have said "insightful"... The fact that the third world will catch and pollute as much as the US is scary!
On the other hand will probably start something new and so destructive that will wipe them out that they won't even have the time to start doing some serious polution.
Between nano technology, biological weapons and other amazing new techniques, I am sure we will find a way to fuck up real soon... The good thing with being a nerd is that we will actually understand what is going on when it happens.
I also question his saying that Gnome was founded with the one goal of killing off KDE.
Is that not the case? That's why Gnome was started! Because KDE was not open source because of QT. Read on Gnome's web page: "The GNOME project was born as an effort to create an entirely free desktop environment for free systems."
He uses cheap semantics such as "Gnome is written to the venerable and venerated GTK+, while KDE is written to the technically excellent but politically reviled QT."
What's wrong with that? My understanding is that C is excellent for operating system but that GUI are best done with OO languages... No? As good as the C API can be, it will still take longer to develop a GUI with a C interface than a C++ one (and I know what I am talking about!).
Ok, I am biased toward KDE but so are you about Gnome!
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But wait a minute, I am already immortal, as far as I remember, I have always been alive.
Thanks for the laugh...
If we could get a tropical weather that would be wonderfull!
And with all the flooding we have had and the rising of the water, I am sure in 10 years, my house will be close to the beach (I am about 200km from it right now).
Besides, I really don't believe Piracy can be linked with emulation for the Playstation. After all, you can read "backup" CDs with your Playstation and a little converter.
I have the feeling this is just a kind of bad habit. Sony is being protective because big companies have to be paranoid and sue everything that might infringe on their copyrights.
And all this, just because you can not suppress the clock from the taskbar.
At least in Linux you can go and edit your xinitrc not to start xclock if you don't want it to!
Juju
I had a colleague at Ford (in Germany) who once said: "They should not let amateurs like HP make their own UNIX" (he had to switch from DEC Unix to HP-UX because the HP workstations where so much cheaper).
I for one, was always happy with HP since their workstation delivered good UNIX performance for just a little more than a PC.
This was till I started working for them. What a joke! I have never seen such a poor service. They probably treat their big customers (like FORD) better than they treat their own employees but I have never seen such a bunch of incompetent people. I left HP (and the country) thinking, I never want to work again for such a bunch of amateurs (it was in France).
On an unrelated note, what you say about Elm does not surprise me... Remember that the STL were made by HP labs in Paolo Alto and that for years C front (their C++ compiler) was not able to handle the STL. Only a few years ago, they switched to aCC and were able to use their own code.
Juju
And it's not because they have not got money, just because $60000 pound for free software is just not a clever idea. If you try to get Linux installed on many systems, you would probably make your own config and save it? No?
Anyway, concerning their statements, they are marketing stuff...
And one last, thing, for someone who criticizes them so much, you have got lot's of their distribution. Did you buy them all or just downloaded them? Just curious...
Now honestly, how many sysadmins are stupid enough to install the default configuration? Do you think that even NT admins do that???
Secondly, for your average Linux user, do you think it's more important to have the minimum install or to have many packages more or less tested that you can fiddle with?
Once more I come back to my first point: Ok, you have got many things, you don;t have to install them and if you think that the only install option should be mimimum one then you are probably not the main target for SuSE (and yes, going with debian is probably the best idea).
Exactly! So who care about what get installed, just do the minimal install and add the packets you need.
> You can even keep your current install, I am sure it has got
> all the stable software you need.
So why would I use SuSe, then ?
Exactly, don't use it!
I am not about what YOU need but more about what SuSE can sell and what they expect (most) people to want...
> > But why should I care when the Caldera eDesktop will just
> > make a clean an stable install of what I need ?
> Ok, why should you care?
This is a discussion forum, isn't it.
I am just pointing out that SuSe might have more useful things to do to promote itself than put kernel 2.4 in its distro
And that's my point as well: I tell you what SuSE's business plan is.
> And why should SuSE care about what you care?
Because I am a potential customer and I don't want to remain
attached to any specific distro, it is deontologically to keep
an eye on whoever in order to get a decent distro.
Linux is a big market where poeple don't really need to pay for what they want. So ask yourself who you would be trying to sell a distro to? What kind of customer should they go after for big sales numbers?
> > Else, they should follow their motto which is to bring Linux
;o)
> > to the non technical.
> Since when is that their moto?
Recently, I guess.
Do you think Corel sold them their old moto now that they are going out of business?
> This is Microsoft's moto (just replace Linux with Technology ;o) I always thought their moto was:
>
> Put everything on the CD, get recent versions, poeple will buy
> it and get a newer version in one year.
Well, this wouldn't please most customers, especially the corporations.
Where are the big corporations who will buy 1000 CDs for their site? If they do this, that's silly, they could make free copy or even better, make their own install CD customized to their site... No wait, they could even pay SuSE to do it for them! But then why should they worry about the mainstream install?!?
> Let's just be the best at doing that.
> I know it works for me...
Lucky you.
When I say it works for me, I mean I will buy 7.1 (as I bought 6.0 more than a year ago).
Anyway, does it really matter which one is the default? Are there really many people who take a distribution, install the default kernel and are done with it? I hope not!
I believe what motivate people to buy a distro is to have the option to install recent versions of the software they want and that the system stays easy to upgrade and fiddle with...Or has the "dumbing" of the Linux community already happened?!?
Ok, but they all are a nightmare... Ever tried Solaris?
>just choose some default install mode and you'll get zillions of megabytes full of redundant crap you'll mostly never use
Well, yeah, that's what a default install is all about...
>So, yes, I could just avoid to install any beta package that I don't want
Why should you? You can even keep your current install, I am sure it has got all the stable software you need.
>but why should I care when the Caldera eDesktop will just make a clean an stable install of what I need ?
Ok, why should you care? If it works for you, good for you. And why should SuSE care about what you care?
>Else, they should follow their motto which is to bring Linux to the non technical. ;o)
Since when is that their moto? This is Microsoft's moto (just replace Linux with Technology
I always thought their moto was: put everything on the CD, get recent versions, poeple will buy it and get a newer version in one year. Let's just be the best at doing that.
I know it works for me...
This is sooo pathetic, got nothing interresting to say? Like "SuSE is catching up with Slackware, has overtaken RedHat but is still behin Mandrake and it's 7.2".
Why am I in such a bad mood today?
>Why does SuSe still want to play Avant-garde ?
Maybe becaused this is what people who buy a new distro want? Maybe selling an 'old' version (that you can find free in a magazine) is not a very good business model...
Anyway, I am happy they plain Avant-garde, and you can always dwonload bug fixes later.
>In 1999 they were the first to deliver the ATI128 X server
>but they should not deliver stuff they have neither coded nor tested by themselves.
If you don't want to use them, don't. It is still better to deliver something that works with some configuration than deliver nothing.
Remember the moto "release early, release often" ?
>2.4 is nice, but not quite ready for the non-geek. ,making new versions...
Really? I thought Linux in general is not ready for the non-geek, but go figure! I mean, SuSE could probably make a lot of money by selling their stock of old SuSE 6.4, why do they bother
Oooops, I forgot to say "I know I will be moderated down for saying this, but...", how am I going to get karma without saying it?!?
How will people know I am sooo coool that I am not affraid to stand for my opinions?
Ok, I was not starting a flamebait and I don't give a fsck about which one of KDE and Gnome will win...
Personally, I don't even use computers anymore, I am going back to using a typewriter and stamps.
In short, I could not care less about the embedded market! I was only joking.
Like in every good old war, everytime someones conquers a new market, the opponent will follow.
;o)
But it's good to know that PDAs owner will now be able to participate in the KDE/Gnome wars.
Is this going to be the next big computer war? After Vi vs. Emacs, Unix vs. Windows, KDE vs. Gnome seems to be looking better every day.
By the way, don't bother flaming me, I am not interrested at all...
no war since 1515 (they lost against the french)
rich country
high salaries (higher than in the US)
beautiful mountains
only drawback, small country... But, you can still travel, right?
Go have a look to the answer I made about his comment. I know English is not one of my native languages but I still thought I was able to get my ideas through :o(
This is not about how right it is to do something or not. This is about the law that every country has the right to live in.
Let's go back to the basic point I am making:
why is there no kid porn for auction on ebay, yahoo or whatever. Because for some people (which happen to be the majority), it is wrong so if another country thinks it's wrong (France, Germany) then it is their right to have it the way they want as well as it's Yahoo's right to decide they want to respect that.
Hey, don't get me wrong!
I don't want to push all the history under a rug and pretend it does not exist. That's probably the worst we could do since the only possible fight against it is education.
What I am against is the cult of racism. It is about allowing people to spread lies and organize racist crimes. I don't agree with the KKK being able to exist in the UK. And ok this be wrong on a "freedom of thought and speech" level but this is not a very good argument since these groups are against even more basic freedoms...
I agree that everybody is more or less racist and was quite surprised to see to which extent people are in the UK (especially in the North). And I thought France was bad...
Anyway, I think you misunderstood my message. I have lived in Germany a few years and I find there attitude towards racism to be both efficient and sensible. And part of it is preventing fachist/racist propaganda in any form.
I mean, it's allowed in Thailand so why can't we buy some good ole kiddies porn videos?
Laws are laws, it's the right for each country to choose what is right or not.
If it is legal to be a racist neo-nazi in the US, I don't see why we should tolerate this in Europe.
As well as the US don't have to accept the laws of Thaliand where a 7 year old can be sold by his familly to a whorehouse...
I use to remember times where Alpha was more than 3 times faster than anything Intel would build.
They also had the highest clock speed (150Mhz vs. 66Mhz for Intel).
But the situation has changed!
The following figures are Spec95_int and Spec95_fp
AMD Althon/650Mhz ---> 29.4 - 22.4
Alpha 21264/667Mhz ----> 32.1 - 49.0
So at the same clock speed, Athlon is as fast as Alpha whereas it is half the speed for floating operations.
But this is at the same speed. Athlon reaches way higher frequencies so the gap is very small in fp and Alpha is beaten in int. And the price difference is massive.
I have got an Alpha server, a Dual ultra-sparc workstation and a whole bunch of PCs, believe me, the speed is about the same for 1/10th of the price.
I know, Mhz is not everything but if you look closely at the performance difference of lets say an Athlon (highest possible clock) and an Alpha (highest clock as well) then you won't see that much of a difference except in the price.
What I mean is that the P4 is going to be clocked over 2Ghz very soon and will probably reach 4Ghz in the next two years. At that time, IA64 will still be trying to reach 1Ghz. IA64 is the biggest flop of Intel so far so I am not too eager to put my hand on it. Besides, the only reason to want 64 bit is to be able to access 2Gb of address space per process. I don't really see this as being necessary right now...
But of course, almighty America would not let Thailand do that and would put economic pressure on them...
But then I guess it helps to be the "police of the world" and have the implicit right to decide what is right to show and what is not.
I'll agree on Nazi auctions and stuff, as soon as the US accept to suppress all censorship! Including drugs, sex and other non-politically-correct-stuff.
I agree that limiting freedom of speech is a *BAD* thing but then, stick to it all the way.
As much as I love F1, I think they could have a computer do that...
As a matter of fact I though a show on TV saying that it would be possible.
In 93, Benneton already had cars who knew the tracks and changed their settings (they had hydraulic suspension) to adapt to bumps and stuff like that.
Besides, I don't see why it should be difficult to get a car doing a good lap... Remember, computer have got the precision and instant reaction to help them (think ABS, ALS and other gizmos now forbidden in F1).
Just my £0.02
The fact that the third world will catch and pollute as much as the US is scary!
On the other hand will probably start something new and so destructive that will wipe them out that they won't even have the time to start doing some serious polution.
Between nano technology, biological weapons and other amazing new techniques, I am sure we will find a way to fuck up real soon...
The good thing with being a nerd is that we will actually understand what is going on when it happens.
Is that not the case? That's why Gnome was started! Because KDE was not open source because of QT.
Read on Gnome's web page: "The GNOME project was born as an effort to create an entirely free desktop environment for free systems."
He uses cheap semantics such as "Gnome is written to the venerable and venerated GTK+, while KDE is written to the technically excellent but politically reviled QT."
What's wrong with that? My understanding is that C is excellent for operating system but that GUI are best done with OO languages... No?
As good as the C API can be, it will still take longer to develop a GUI with a C interface than a C++ one (and I know what I am talking about!).
Ok, I am biased toward KDE but so are you about Gnome!