I understand your position completely. Eurpean style rates might have encouraged more people to get cell phones, and if that's the case, I'd prefer it.
However, for my personal use, I'd rather pay for incoming calls. I give my cell number to *everyone*... because I want everyone to call me. All the time. I'd rather that my girlfriend *didn't* pay when she calls me.
If people wouldn't think it strange, I'd get an 800 number for my land line too.
Just want to clarify what you say about the different providers and their technologies:
Verizon - CDMA Sprint - CDMA (slightly modified) AT&T - TDMA *and* GSM. On the same towers. Cingular - GSM VoiceStream/T-Mobile/Deutsch Telecom - GSM
Right now TDMA (AT&T) has an upgrade path for their subscribers - In some locations (here in California) they've put GSM transmitters on all their existing TDMA towers. They've instantly become the GSM network with the best coverage in California.
The CDMA providers are *nearly* as good at coverage. Their sound quality is miles better. But from a consumer standpoint, they are fantastically limited: You can't take your phone and use it with a different provider. Cell phone companies can't (or don't) make a single handset that works with all the CDMA providers. That sucks. I'll stick with GSM.
Right. That's the point everyone was making when the feds went after Dmitri. Adobe said "Oh, nevermind, don't bootfuck him."
But the feds had to keep on keepin' on, 'cause supposedly the law has nothing to do with the desires of the copyright holder. If they behaved differently, and made a habit of it, the entire law could get thrown out by the 14th Amendment. It was my understanding that laws have been removed by the courts due to the 14th Amendment when they are unfairly applied to racial minorities, but not anyone else. I don't have any examples.
My friends and I have all been discussing that exact issue. Not that we'll write in Schwarzennegar, but we're trying to think of something to do to express our disgust with the two available candidates.
We're all liberals, and feel like Gray Davis has been a useless lapdog. But Simon is too evil. So we're gonna stick with Davis.
Boucher is a sweetheart, but what makes you feel that good ideas are going to carry instead of corporate sponsorship?
I'd say name recognition would buy more than solid principles any day of the week and twice on Sunday. We're closer to a President Schwarzennegar than a President Boucher. With or without corporate sponsorship.
I might vote for Boucher too. Although I suppose that the issues in 2004 might still be war and economy. Dunno what his positions are on those. I'll be checking up.
I think lspd might have it right when he quotes a copyright faq as saying "With one exception, works of the United States government are public domain. 17 U.S.C. 105. The only exception is for standard reference data produced by the U.S. Secretary of Commerce under the Standard Reference Data Act, 15 U.S.C. 290e."
The JPL can do this because they're a government contractor. All's fair in that case. I only brought up this offtopic question because I didn't realize that the JPL wasn't a gov't org. I hadn't read the article.
I imagine patents and copyrights by gov't employees could easily be governed by differennt laws.
On a side note, everyone knows that if a CEO gives away a part of the company in a manner that is obvioiusly not the most beneficial to the shareholder value, he can be sued, held criminally liable, and thrown in jail. Wouldn't it be nice if we could do that to politicians? Even if only in the most egregious cases? Makes me fantasize about the Singaporean meritocracy... if it were combined with a massive bill of rights.
Eh. Imagine my surprise when I discovered... I'm a retard.
The Jet Propulsion Lab is part of CalTech. It is decidedly an NGO. My post is completely offtopic. It might not look that way in metamod, so feel free to use "overrated" on it. As cowardly as I would normally consider that move, go ahead.
Anyway, I'm still curious if a government agency is ever allowed to hold a copyright. But that curiousity is offtopic.
If the JPL is a gov't entity (and I'm not sure yet, haven't read the article) then isn't all their software already public domain? Isn't it impossible for them to have a copyright?
I've posted here before ranting *against* gov't agencies releasing GPL software, for only this reason. I'd love to say that I could justify gov't funded GPL software, but I can't, because all government generated intellectual material must be in the public domain. We own the government, right? So it's our software.
If this is a government agency, and they're going to sell someone their copyright, I'm going to be *livid*. Can a lawyer please tell me exactly when the goverment can and cannot hold a copyright on intellectual creations? I have no idea where I'd begin to research this question. If they can hold a copyright, then I'd support legislation that that copyrighted material should always be under some sort of open-source or free-software type license. If they cannot hold a copyright... good.
Anyway. Now I'm going to go read the article and become informed. Unfortunately, that means I can't post on the subject, right?
If the JPL is a gov't entity (and I'm not sure yet, haven't read the article) then isn't all their software already public domain? Isn't it impossible for them to have a copyright?
I've posted here before ranting *against* gov't agencies releasing GPL software, for only this reason. I'd love to say that I could justify gov't funded GPL software, but I can't, because all government generated intellectual material must be in the public domain. We own the government, right? So it's our software.
If this is a government agency, and they're going to sell someone their copyright, I'm going to be *livid*. Can a lawyer please tell me exactly when the goverment can and cannot hold a copyright on intellectual creations? I have no idea where I'd begin to research this question. If they can hold a copyright, then I'd support legislation that that copyrighted material should always be under some sort of open-source or free-software type license. If they cannot hold a copyright... good.
Anyway. Now I'm going to go read the article and become informed. Unfortunately, that means I can't post on the subject, right?
Even better would be to link to his competitors in your email.
That way you won't accidentally help him by giving him free publicity.
Also, make sure that you don't *actually* commit libel. State only facts that you know to be true. That's a higher standard than defamation or libel requires, but he could sue you anyway. You don't have to be correct in order to sue. And IANAL.
I'm sorry, what is the significance of "mass market" to a consumer in terms of vinyl records?
Do fewer people buy records? Yes. Can you still go to a store and buy all the best music on records? Hell yes. "Mass market" might mean something to a record *seller*.
You might not buy records. But you can. They have features unavailable on CD, and until those features are replicated, they will exist.
Yeah, well. Being in QA and tech support means we only see the downsides. And we have to take the Dev's word for how hard things are (when they often complain to just get us off their backs).
We don't see shipping/sales bonuses. That's why we're not the ones that do the product design.
Yeah, those guys are saints. I'm sure they don't like the press they're getting right now, and it's really unfortunate that their negotiations have failed so badly.
None of the union employees (executives as well) earn more money than the highest paid union longshoreman. Bonuses/benefits included. I heard a soundbite from one of their representatives this morning, and I do not believe that their demands sound unreasonable.
Of course, the ports don't want to lose money either, so I can't imagine they were being too unreasonable either. None of the articles I've found go into nearly enough depth to explain the differences.
They say they're happy to have 90% fewer positions due to tech improvements. They just want to be able to collect dues from the remaining %10 of positions.
And normally, I'd assume they were lying. But if this is the Longshoreman's Union (I'm not sure it is) then I believe every word. It's one of the few unions remaining that cares about the treatment of it's workers, rather than the treatment of the union executives.
He can re-map *most* of his keyboard. There are some things you can't do. Some of the shareware/freeware remappers discuss these issues.
It's still a troll. "I can't remap the 'fn' key thus Apple is ignoring my market segment" is incorrect, whether or not there's a missing feature.
I wouldn't be surprised if PC laptops have serial keyboards too. They're just probably more generic and more reconfigurable. I imagine USB keyboards might easily require more electricity and be mroe expensive. A tiny manufacturing cost increase often forces much larger retail costs.
Looks like BSD is MORE Open Source than your 'real open source' idea. Oh, and next time Bruce, post with your name.
That's right, BSD is more open source. GPL is more freedom. There is code out there that was once BSD, and now you run it on your Windows box, and you cannot modify it. There is also GPL code out there that might be profitable for a company's use, but they cannot make a business model around distributing the software. So they *choose* not to use it.
This is why RMS is only for free software, and ESR is only for open source software. They have different goals. They both achieve their goals very well. Saying one is better than the other is braindead.
Anyway, grandparent was redundant and should be modded into oblivion. Parent was flamebait, rudundant and offtopic, and should be modded into oblivion.
I'm just offtopic. Do what you will. IHBT. IHL. IWHAND.
Anyway, his point about laptop mouse buttons is perfectly correct: Apple will not let you have an internal trackpad with two buttons. He said nothing about peripheral mice.
However, dual button trackpads require two hands to use comfortably, at which point modifier keys are superior anyway. Requiring two separate skus for single and dual button laptops would be retail suicide. If you're doing intensive mouse work on a laptop, and you need 2+ buttons, no currently offered trackpad will fill your needs. A two button trackpad is a doily on a warthog.
His point about laptop ADB keyboards is also correct. The laptop in my 600 mHz iBook has an ADB keyboard, which poses several limitations that he describes accurately.
He also surmises that this is because of "religious reasons," which is braindead. There is no apple-faithful desire for adb keyboards. It's surely a cost issue.
His point about Unix look-and-feel is particularly braindead, though. You *can* have the Unix look-and-feel. X11 on MacOS X is free and easy.
His implication that these changes would enable them to dominate the massive "Unix/DSP/Embedded/Engineering" market are absurd. The internal adb & 1 button trackpad have *nothing* to do with that market. They need mice for their work anyway. The X11 issue is dealt with. That particular market is not that special. They are already making huge strides there.
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I understand your position completely. Eurpean style rates might have encouraged more people to get cell phones, and if that's the case, I'd prefer it.
However, for my personal use, I'd rather pay for incoming calls. I give my cell number to *everyone*... because I want everyone to call me. All the time. I'd rather that my girlfriend *didn't* pay when she calls me.
If people wouldn't think it strange, I'd get an 800 number for my land line too.
Just want to clarify what you say about the different providers and their technologies:
Verizon - CDMA
Sprint - CDMA (slightly modified)
AT&T - TDMA *and* GSM. On the same towers.
Cingular - GSM
VoiceStream/T-Mobile/Deutsch Telecom - GSM
Right now TDMA (AT&T) has an upgrade path for their subscribers - In some locations (here in California) they've put GSM transmitters on all their existing TDMA towers. They've instantly become the GSM network with the best coverage in California.
The CDMA providers are *nearly* as good at coverage. Their sound quality is miles better. But from a consumer standpoint, they are fantastically limited: You can't take your phone and use it with a different provider. Cell phone companies can't (or don't) make a single handset that works with all the CDMA providers. That sucks. I'll stick with GSM.
Right. That's the point everyone was making when the feds went after Dmitri. Adobe said "Oh, nevermind, don't bootfuck him."
But the feds had to keep on keepin' on, 'cause supposedly the law has nothing to do with the desires of the copyright holder. If they behaved differently, and made a habit of it, the entire law could get thrown out by the 14th Amendment. It was my understanding that laws have been removed by the courts due to the 14th Amendment when they are unfairly applied to racial minorities, but not anyone else. I don't have any examples.
My friends and I have all been discussing that exact issue. Not that we'll write in Schwarzennegar, but we're trying to think of something to do to express our disgust with the two available candidates.
We're all liberals, and feel like Gray Davis has been a useless lapdog. But Simon is too evil. So we're gonna stick with Davis.
Yeah, as someone pointed out, I was refering to Demolition Man. Don't let that stop you from being a fucking dick.
Boucher is a sweetheart, but what makes you feel that good ideas are going to carry instead of corporate sponsorship?
I'd say name recognition would buy more than solid principles any day of the week and twice on Sunday. We're closer to a President Schwarzennegar than a President Boucher. With or without corporate sponsorship.
I might vote for Boucher too. Although I suppose that the issues in 2004 might still be war and economy. Dunno what his positions are on those. I'll be checking up.
I think lspd might have it right when he quotes a copyright faq as saying "With one exception, works of the United States government are public domain. 17 U.S.C. 105. The only exception is for standard reference data produced by the U.S. Secretary of Commerce under the Standard Reference Data Act, 15 U.S.C. 290e."
The JPL can do this because they're a government contractor. All's fair in that case. I only brought up this offtopic question because I didn't realize that the JPL wasn't a gov't org. I hadn't read the article.
I imagine patents and copyrights by gov't employees could easily be governed by differennt laws.
On a side note, everyone knows that if a CEO gives away a part of the company in a manner that is obvioiusly not the most beneficial to the shareholder value, he can be sued, held criminally liable, and thrown in jail. Wouldn't it be nice if we could do that to politicians? Even if only in the most egregious cases? Makes me fantasize about the Singaporean meritocracy... if it were combined with a massive bill of rights.
Eh. Imagine my surprise when I discovered... I'm a retard.
The Jet Propulsion Lab is part of CalTech. It is decidedly an NGO. My post is completely offtopic. It might not look that way in metamod, so feel free to use "overrated" on it. As cowardly as I would normally consider that move, go ahead.
Anyway, I'm still curious if a government agency is ever allowed to hold a copyright. But that curiousity is offtopic.
I'll go sit down now.
Um, I'm *about* to read the article, but...
If the JPL is a gov't entity (and I'm not sure yet, haven't read the article) then isn't all their software already public domain? Isn't it impossible for them to have a copyright?
I've posted here before ranting *against* gov't agencies releasing GPL software, for only this reason. I'd love to say that I could justify gov't funded GPL software, but I can't, because all government generated intellectual material must be in the public domain. We own the government, right? So it's our software.
If this is a government agency, and they're going to sell someone their copyright, I'm going to be *livid*. Can a lawyer please tell me exactly when the goverment can and cannot hold a copyright on intellectual creations? I have no idea where I'd begin to research this question. If they can hold a copyright, then I'd support legislation that that copyrighted material should always be under some sort of open-source or free-software type license. If they cannot hold a copyright... good.
Anyway. Now I'm going to go read the article and become informed. Unfortunately, that means I can't post on the subject, right?
Um, I'm *about* to read the article, but...
If the JPL is a gov't entity (and I'm not sure yet, haven't read the article) then isn't all their software already public domain? Isn't it impossible for them to have a copyright?
I've posted here before ranting *against* gov't agencies releasing GPL software, for only this reason. I'd love to say that I could justify gov't funded GPL software, but I can't, because all government generated intellectual material must be in the public domain. We own the government, right? So it's our software.
If this is a government agency, and they're going to sell someone their copyright, I'm going to be *livid*. Can a lawyer please tell me exactly when the goverment can and cannot hold a copyright on intellectual creations? I have no idea where I'd begin to research this question. If they can hold a copyright, then I'd support legislation that that copyrighted material should always be under some sort of open-source or free-software type license. If they cannot hold a copyright... good.
Anyway. Now I'm going to go read the article and become informed. Unfortunately, that means I can't post on the subject, right?
Even better would be to link to his competitors in your email.
That way you won't accidentally help him by giving him free publicity.
Also, make sure that you don't *actually* commit libel. State only facts that you know to be true. That's a higher standard than defamation or libel requires, but he could sue you anyway. You don't have to be correct in order to sue. And IANAL.
Jesus, what the hell is wrong with you people? My comment was offtopic, not overrated. Can you do nothing right?
Yeah, I'm sorry, I don't know what I was smoking.
All the music *I* listen to is available on vinyl, but that was still a braindead comment of mine.
I'm sorry, what is the significance of "mass market" to a consumer in terms of vinyl records?
Do fewer people buy records? Yes. Can you still go to a store and buy all the best music on records? Hell yes. "Mass market" might mean something to a record *seller*.
You might not buy records. But you can. They have features unavailable on CD, and until those features are replicated, they will exist.
Iff parent post is on-topic, then my name isn't Elwood P Dowd.
And it isn't.
Less than a satellite modem with built-in USB, more than likely.
And way less than that plus custom windows network drivers, supporting software, etc.
Yeah, well. Being in QA and tech support means we only see the downsides. And we have to take the Dev's word for how hard things are (when they often complain to just get us off their backs).
We don't see shipping/sales bonuses. That's why we're not the ones that do the product design.
Yeah, those guys are saints. I'm sure they don't like the press they're getting right now, and it's really unfortunate that their negotiations have failed so badly.
None of the union employees (executives as well) earn more money than the highest paid union longshoreman. Bonuses/benefits included. I heard a soundbite from one of their representatives this morning, and I do not believe that their demands sound unreasonable.
Of course, the ports don't want to lose money either, so I can't imagine they were being too unreasonable either. None of the articles I've found go into nearly enough depth to explain the differences.
Right. That's why I said that normally I'd assume they were lying. The Longshoreman's Union is absolutely different. Read the post.
The tv ad with the kid in the Library is already true.
That's not what they say...
They say they're happy to have 90% fewer positions due to tech improvements. They just want to be able to collect dues from the remaining %10 of positions.
And normally, I'd assume they were lying. But if this is the Longshoreman's Union (I'm not sure it is) then I believe every word. It's one of the few unions remaining that cares about the treatment of it's workers, rather than the treatment of the union executives.
He can re-map *most* of his keyboard. There are some things you can't do. Some of the shareware/freeware remappers discuss these issues.
It's still a troll. "I can't remap the 'fn' key thus Apple is ignoring my market segment" is incorrect, whether or not there's a missing feature.
I wouldn't be surprised if PC laptops have serial keyboards too. They're just probably more generic and more reconfigurable. I imagine USB keyboards might easily require more electricity and be mroe expensive. A tiny manufacturing cost increase often forces much larger retail costs.
Looks like BSD is MORE Open Source than your 'real open source' idea. Oh, and next time Bruce, post with your name.
That's right, BSD is more open source. GPL is more freedom. There is code out there that was once BSD, and now you run it on your Windows box, and you cannot modify it. There is also GPL code out there that might be profitable for a company's use, but they cannot make a business model around distributing the software. So they *choose* not to use it.
This is why RMS is only for free software, and ESR is only for open source software. They have different goals. They both achieve their goals very well. Saying one is better than the other is braindead.
Anyway, grandparent was redundant and should be modded into oblivion. Parent was flamebait, rudundant and offtopic, and should be modded into oblivion.
I'm just offtopic. Do what you will. IHBT. IHL. IWHAND.
This post was interesting and insightful. It is (perhaps) underrated as well.
It was neither funny, redundant, overrated, or offtopic.
I hope to see this in metamod. I would have liked to hear about OSS projects that originated at Apple and have moved on.
YHBT. YHL. HAND.
Anyway, his point about laptop mouse buttons is perfectly correct: Apple will not let you have an internal trackpad with two buttons. He said nothing about peripheral mice.
However, dual button trackpads require two hands to use comfortably, at which point modifier keys are superior anyway. Requiring two separate skus for single and dual button laptops would be retail suicide. If you're doing intensive mouse work on a laptop, and you need 2+ buttons, no currently offered trackpad will fill your needs. A two button trackpad is a doily on a warthog.
His point about laptop ADB keyboards is also correct. The laptop in my 600 mHz iBook has an ADB keyboard, which poses several limitations that he describes accurately.
He also surmises that this is because of "religious reasons," which is braindead. There is no apple-faithful desire for adb keyboards. It's surely a cost issue.
His point about Unix look-and-feel is particularly braindead, though. You *can* have the Unix look-and-feel. X11 on MacOS X is free and easy.
His implication that these changes would enable them to dominate the massive "Unix/DSP/Embedded/Engineering" market are absurd. The internal adb & 1 button trackpad have *nothing* to do with that market. They need mice for their work anyway. The X11 issue is dealt with. That particular market is not that special. They are already making huge strides there.
Whatever. Now I've been trolled too.