sorry, but an other thing to add.
sometimes you don;t get a choice... if you want to continue playing the game(a very good game you invested a lot of time and efforts in) with your friends you have to buy the DLC.
how do you know that it is a shitty DLC? it not like your in the town market and you have the opportunity to see and some times sample the merchandise. You can't just say after 5 minutes of playing hey don't like the product, I want a refund. Usually there are reviews but sometimes what the reviews say and what you actually see are totally different things.
DLC is a solution to piracy problems. They can release the first "part" of the game for 19.99 or allow it to be pirated en-masse, but the DLC can only be downloaded and played by the original purchaser. Someone who borrows, rents or steals the game can still install it, but to play rest of the game it must be downloaded as DLC. When the game is no longer new, the complete game with all parts can be a digital-download-only purchase.
you equate piracy with the mere fact of lending, leasing or reselling. These are undeniable rights given by the first sale doctrine if you agree with ht fact that when you pay for a game you're buying it (be it digitally of a physical copy), thus your property, and I think you do agree:
3. DLC is subscription/renting the game. This is the end-game for DLC, when people will stop buying it. Instead of "owning" a game, it's "renting-licensed" like how the RIAA and MPAA push things, which means among other things, that few people will ever re-play a game, thus buying all other DLC a waste of money.
I've always wondered.. in an encrypted wifi network you can not just sniff if your connected to that net work can you ??????
If the answer to that question is no you can sniff this doesn't solve the problem does it, if the answer is of course you can not just sniff... well that's just a bump in a road, because all the protection that encryption (for wifi that is) provides ceases to exists once the traffic hits the access point (otherwise no internet at all),
if you can manage to direct let's say all traffic through your laptop what would happen (one very handy tool to do that is good old ettercap)??? I'm guessing back to square one.
So in any case the solution to the problem (this particular one) is between the hands of the web site (USE SSL) not the end user.
Iplayed arround with this at the university found
one workaround: (that works with facebook) LOGOUT. I'm guessing that invalidates the session cookie and no more possible access. Though it doesn't work with hotmail -- whether you logout or not the attacker (me for instance) still has access -- Gmail on the other hand is not affected at all (to my knowledge).
The other not so easy solution is to get access to a vpn.
After, I receive the binary, I can do anything I want with it like copy it onto a CD and put it in a cereal box. The GPL is a "source" license, not an EULA or sales license.
Really? try it and see what happens..
The GPL is a license.(PERIOD)
if person A distributes anything (for money for free doesn't matter) they are giving away a set of right/restrictions with it (What one might call a license) because there is such a thing called COPYRIGHT. One can give it away and every right that comes with it freely without any restriction at all.. that we call Public Domain.
Or as it happens with the GPL, anyone distributing (by means of COPYING which can't happen in a brick and mortar store --at least if the store is not producing the cd/dvd theme selves) a SOFTWARE that was LICENSED to them (not given) under the terms of that same license to give (in exchange of money or not) -among other things- the source code, or at least a mean to obtain it (like a web site or something).
0. This License applies to any PROGRAM or OTHER WORK which contains a notice placed by the copyright holder saying it may be distributed under the terms of this General Public License. The "Program", below, refers to any such program or work, and a "work based on the Program" means either the Program or any derivative work under copyright law: that is to say, a work containing the Program or a portion of it, either verbatim or with modifications and/or translated into another language. (Hereinafter, translation is included without limitation in the term "modification".) Each licensee is addressed as "you".
Activities other than copying, distribution and modification are not covered by this License; they are outside its scope. The act of running the Program is not restricted, and the output from the Program is covered only if its contents constitute a work based on the Program (independent of having been made by running the Program). Whether that is true depends on what the Program does.
the above is rule number 0, it defines the scope of the license where does it say this applies only to a source code????
you can enjoy the reading on :
http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-2.0.html#SEC2
Ah, also... anything in the GPL is triggered there is distribution to anyone else besides the YOU in the license text. I one makes modifications to any Software licensed under GPL and keeps them for one's self the GPL doesn't restrict you in any way.
"The GPL applies only to the developer that packages up/compiles the code into executable form."
have you read the damn license????
If you re-distribute something that has been licensed to you under the terms of the said license, you have the obligation to uphold the terms of the said license. it has nothing to do with developers per say. the keyword here is DISTRIBUTION.
And it applies to whole package (SOURCE CODE BINARY GRAPHICS DOCS... etc).
You can run apps freely in OSX with the developer tools. To transfer them to an iphone you need some additional software that you have to buy from apple. But anyone can get it.
GPL is based on copyright. let's say for the sake of the argument that if the notion of copyright is non existent.
I tend to agree with you. You basing you work on someone else's and selling it wouldn't prevent anyone else from doing the same with your work (decompiling it and improving it) everybody is free no?
But the world we live in is not like that and there is copyright, so by letting someone do what ever the hell they want with someone else's work doesn't guarantee that they'll let other people do what ever they want. So a lot of people choose to force other people who use their work to pay the same courtesy they got to others and it's fair to everyone.
On some other note I think the GPL is more concerned with code that people, basically it is forcing people to "free" the code.
Is there something wrong with trying to make a profit? Shouldn't the free market decide if the value I add to a product is worth paying for?
free market you say??? where is it???? have you ever seen it?? i m pretty sure it is dead... suicide
sorry, meant if your car is not moving and the other car backs and hits you it is the other car's fault not yours (even in this case am not really sure)
yep (here in quebec --Canada--) if you hit someone from behind (for whatever reason --well unless the other car was not moving and it can be proven --) you're at fault. so technically it is the trucker who hit the Samaritan and therefor he's at fault.
http://www.servicecanada.gc.ca/eng/about/reports/sin/cop/section2.shtml
section 2.2 states clearly that if it has nothing to do with income the requestor is under no legal obligation to request it, thus you'r under no legal obligation to divulge it.
next time some asks for it (in canada anyway) tell them to go ****.
Dot know about US, but in canada the only entity entitled to have SSN is the government and the employer (although I'm not sure about the employer) for tax purposes, anything or anyone else has absolutely no right to have it, they can ask for it but you' under no obligation to divulge it.
as I said "basic or advanced" feature set aside! Advanced or basic is a mater of personal taste. the phone is mine and I should be able to do what ever I want with it.
and no you can't just walk out of contract (it costs like 300$)
I never mentioned warranty to begin with, and I'm not expecting apple to honor it after I jailbrak my phone (which I DID)!
who's asking for support?? I'm not saying that mazada should offer your warranty after that, the point is that mazda is not impeding on your ability to do so! Apple is not letting people do that (unless you jailbrake).
(sorry hit the submit button too soon by accident)
The car analogy you gave is beside the point. If you buy a car and want to mod it you can buy what ever part you want from any one you want. I don't see Mazda forcing people to buy MazdaSpeed or Mazda approved parts (if the part is deemed safe by whatever authorities in place -not Mazda- it can be manufactured and sold by anyone to anyone willing to buy it). And if it did the gov would be breathing down it's neck for Monopoly issues and people would be suing.
The car analogy you gave is beside the point. If you buy a car and want to mod it you can buy what ever part you want from any one you want. I don't see Mazda forcing people to buy MazdaSpeed parts (if the part is deemed safe by whatever authorities in place it can be manufactured and sold by anyone to anyone willing to buy it).
My point was Basic or Advanced features set a side the damn thing is mine and I should be able to do what ever I want with it with or without apples blessing. If they don't provide a reasonable official way to do it then I have carte blanche to do what ever it takes to achieve that.
Until just few weeks ago jailbraking wasn't legal (nor illegal) in the US. Here in canada it's still not explicitly legal (even the new bill stats explicitly that unlocking phones would be legal but nothing on jailbraking and since there are TPMs involved then it will most probabaly be illegal).
to take on your CAR analogy... if I buy a tow door car and want a third I can HACK it to add an other door the manufacturer of the car has nothing to say and can't possibly sue me for doing that.
And let me rais you one: if you but a car and the manufacturer tells you sorry man you can only use a TOMTOM GPS device in our car.
Before you get to "so why did you buy it?" I didn't buy my iphone.. I lost my other (dumb) phone and It was a gift. I would never had bought it on my own given that I know what I know now, b/c I didn't know anything about it or any smart phone for that matter before this. For me a phone is a phone ".".
I don't hate apple nor do I "love" them. I own a macbook pro and it's wonderful - a bit over priced but it's well worth the trouble- and it doesn't have the "non"limitation the iphone has.)
for me that means if you jailbroke your phone there is a temp fix if you don't want to update. (by the way there is a fix on cydia as of yesterday a true fix not somthing that prompts. And it works). In no way that implies "why tf did apple fix the issue?!!!?!?!"
most computer shops see that as an opportunity to do business. why wouldn't apple?
When you buy a desktop the hardware is under warranty anything else is your problem and if you come back with a virus problem the shop will be glad to help for a price. if you come back for a hardware problem they'll be happy to help too but free of charge as long as it is under warranty.
basic int the way that it is my phone I can do what ever the hell I want with it... I don't need apple's blessing to do it.
for one I want to write an app for my sake don't want to sell it to anyone... how the hell can I do that ???
other than Jb I need to pay F 100$/year to apple WHY?
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sorry, but an other thing to add. ... if you want to continue playing the game(a very good game you invested a lot of time and efforts in) with your friends you have to buy the DLC.
sometimes you don;t get a choice
how do you know that it is a shitty DLC? it not like your in the town market and you have the opportunity to see and some times sample the merchandise. You can't just say after 5 minutes of playing hey don't like the product, I want a refund. Usually there are reviews but sometimes what the reviews say and what you actually see are totally different things.
DLC is a solution to piracy problems. They can release the first "part" of the game for 19.99 or allow it to be pirated en-masse, but the DLC can only be downloaded and played by the original purchaser. Someone who borrows, rents or steals the game can still install it, but to play rest of the game it must be downloaded as DLC. When the game is no longer new, the complete game with all parts can be a digital-download-only purchase.
you equate piracy with the mere fact of lending, leasing or reselling. These are undeniable rights given by the first sale doctrine if you agree with ht fact that when you pay for a game you're buying it (be it digitally of a physical copy), thus your property, and I think you do agree :
3. DLC is subscription/renting the game. This is the end-game for DLC, when people will stop buying it. Instead of "owning" a game, it's "renting-licensed" like how the RIAA and MPAA push things, which means among other things, that few people will ever re-play a game, thus buying all other DLC a waste of money.
I've always wondered .. in an encrypted wifi network you can not just sniff if your connected to that net work can you ??????
... well that's just a bump in a road, because all the protection that encryption (for wifi that is) provides ceases to exists once the traffic hits the access point (otherwise no internet at all),
if you can manage to direct let's say all traffic through your laptop what would happen (one very handy tool to do that is good old ettercap)??? I'm guessing back to square one.
So in any case the solution to the problem (this particular one) is between the hands of the web site (USE SSL) not the end user.
If the answer to that question is no you can sniff this doesn't solve the problem does it, if the answer is of course you can not just sniff
Iplayed arround with this at the university found one workaround: (that works with facebook) LOGOUT. I'm guessing that invalidates the session cookie and no more possible access. Though it doesn't work with hotmail -- whether you logout or not the attacker (me for instance) still has access -- Gmail on the other hand is not affected at all (to my knowledge). The other not so easy solution is to get access to a vpn.
After, I receive the binary, I can do anything I want with it like copy it onto a CD and put it in a cereal box. The GPL is a "source" license, not an EULA or sales license.
Really? try it and see what happens.. .. that we call Public Domain.
The GPL is a license.(PERIOD)
if person A distributes anything (for money for free doesn't matter) they are giving away a set of right/restrictions with it (What one might call a license) because there is such a thing called COPYRIGHT. One can give it away and every right that comes with it freely without any restriction at all
Or as it happens with the GPL, anyone distributing (by means of COPYING which can't happen in a brick and mortar store --at least if the store is not producing the cd/dvd theme selves) a SOFTWARE that was LICENSED to them (not given) under the terms of that same license to give (in exchange of money or not) -among other things- the source code, or at least a mean to obtain it (like a web site or something).
0. This License applies to any PROGRAM or OTHER WORK which contains a notice placed by the copyright holder saying it may be distributed under the terms of this General Public License. The "Program", below, refers to any such program or work, and a "work based on the Program" means either the Program or any derivative work under copyright law: that is to say, a work containing the Program or a portion of it, either verbatim or with modifications and/or translated into another language. (Hereinafter, translation is included without limitation in the term "modification".) Each licensee is addressed as "you". Activities other than copying, distribution and modification are not covered by this License; they are outside its scope. The act of running the Program is not restricted, and the output from the Program is covered only if its contents constitute a work based on the Program (independent of having been made by running the Program). Whether that is true depends on what the Program does.
the above is rule number 0, it defines the scope of the license where does it say this applies only to a source code???? ... anything in the GPL is triggered there is distribution to anyone else besides the YOU in the license text. I one makes modifications to any Software licensed under GPL and keeps them for one's self the GPL doesn't restrict you in any way.
you can enjoy the reading on : http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-2.0.html#SEC2
Ah, also
"The GPL applies only to the developer that packages up/compiles the code into executable form." ... etc).
have you read the damn license???? If you re-distribute something that has been licensed to you under the terms of the said license, you have the obligation to uphold the terms of the said license. it has nothing to do with developers per say. the keyword here is DISTRIBUTION. And it applies to whole package (SOURCE CODE BINARY GRAPHICS DOCS
Again are u really sure sure about that ????
are u really sure ??? I mean reeeeeaaally sure about that?
You can run apps freely in OSX with the developer tools. To transfer them to an iphone you need some additional software that you have to buy from apple. But anyone can get it.
??? all you\re buying is a key to a lock you already bought.
This already happened : http://oreilly.com/news/differences_nt.html
On some other note I think the GPL is more concerned with code that people, basically it is forcing people to "free" the code.
Is there something wrong with trying to make a profit? Shouldn't the free market decide if the value I add to a product is worth paying for?
free market you say??? where is it???? have you ever seen it?? i m pretty sure it is dead ... suicide
sorry, meant if your car is not moving and the other car backs and hits you it is the other car's fault not yours (even in this case am not really sure)
yep (here in quebec --Canada--) if you hit someone from behind (for whatever reason --well unless the other car was not moving and it can be proven --) you're at fault. so technically it is the trucker who hit the Samaritan and therefor he's at fault.
It's like politics. The lesser of two evils... and Sony has done less to me personally than Microsoft.
That is precisely what is wrong with politics.
http://www.servicecanada.gc.ca/eng/about/reports/sin/cop/section2.shtml
section 2.2 states clearly that if it has nothing to do with income the requestor is under no legal obligation to request it, thus you'r under no legal obligation to divulge it.
next time some asks for it (in canada anyway) tell them to go ****.
Dot know about US, but in canada the only entity entitled to have SSN is the government and the employer (although I'm not sure about the employer) for tax purposes, anything or anyone else has absolutely no right to have it, they can ask for it but you' under no obligation to divulge it.
is it legal? in US may be (but hey since whene??) in canada ... no !
as I said "basic or advanced" feature set aside! Advanced or basic is a mater of personal taste. the phone is mine and I should be able to do what ever I want with it.
and no you can't just walk out of contract (it costs like 300$)
I never mentioned warranty to begin with, and I'm not expecting apple to honor it after I jailbrak my phone (which I DID)!
who's asking for support?? I'm not saying that mazada should offer your warranty after that, the point is that mazda is not impeding on your ability to do so! Apple is not letting people do that (unless you jailbrake).
(sorry hit the submit button too soon by accident)
The car analogy you gave is beside the point. If you buy a car and want to mod it you can buy what ever part you want from any one you want. I don't see Mazda forcing people to buy MazdaSpeed or Mazda approved parts (if the part is deemed safe by whatever authorities in place -not Mazda- it can be manufactured and sold by anyone to anyone willing to buy it). And if it did the gov would be breathing down it's neck for Monopoly issues and people would be suing.
The car analogy you gave is beside the point. If you buy a car and want to mod it you can buy what ever part you want from any one you want. I don't see Mazda forcing people to buy MazdaSpeed parts (if the part is deemed safe by whatever authorities in place it can be manufactured and sold by anyone to anyone willing to buy it).
My point was Basic or Advanced features set a side the damn thing is mine and I should be able to do what ever I want with it with or without apples blessing. If they don't provide a reasonable official way to do it then I have carte blanche to do what ever it takes to achieve that. ... if I buy a tow door car and want a third I can HACK it to add an other door the manufacturer of the car has nothing to say and can't possibly sue me for doing that.
And let me rais you one: if you but a car and the manufacturer tells you sorry man you can only use a TOMTOM GPS device in our car.
.. I lost my other (dumb) phone and It was a gift. I would never had bought it on my own given that I know what I know now, b/c I didn't know anything about it or any smart phone for that matter before this. For me a phone is a phone ".".
Until just few weeks ago jailbraking wasn't legal (nor illegal) in the US. Here in canada it's still not explicitly legal (even the new bill stats explicitly that unlocking phones would be legal but nothing on jailbraking and since there are TPMs involved then it will most probabaly be illegal). to take on your CAR analogy
Before you get to "so why did you buy it?" I didn't buy my iphone
I don't hate apple nor do I "love" them. I own a macbook pro and it's wonderful - a bit over priced but it's well worth the trouble- and it doesn't have the "non"limitation the iphone has.)
for me that means if you jailbroke your phone there is a temp fix if you don't want to update. (by the way there is a fix on cydia as of yesterday a true fix not somthing that prompts. And it works). In no way that implies "why tf did apple fix the issue?!!!?!?!"
most computer shops see that as an opportunity to do business. why wouldn't apple? When you buy a desktop the hardware is under warranty anything else is your problem and if you come back with a virus problem the shop will be glad to help for a price. if you come back for a hardware problem they'll be happy to help too but free of charge as long as it is under warranty.
basic int the way that it is my phone I can do what ever the hell I want with it ... I don't need apple's blessing to do it.
for one I want to write an app for my sake don't want to sell it to anyone ... how the hell can I do that ???
other than Jb I need to pay F 100$/year to apple WHY?
fair play or whatever the name of their DRM does just that ... tou can't just copy the application and run it