Scary or neat?? that is the question.
here's a thought, what if they (cel/tel cos) are already packet switching and making people pay for circuit switching?
what has intellectual property have with physical property ????
nothing. Intellectual property is ARTIFICIAL.
you should may be read Jefferson on the matter!
If I take away your home, what do you have ? nothing
If I take away your idea, what do you have ? All you had before.
The way things are now copyright first goal "incentive to create" is DEAD, it is now more the "disincentive to create"
In any case, Microsoft won't come after end-users for patent infringement. It simply won't happen.
Deja vu ? a lot of people said that at one point, Enter DMCA.
ordinary people are sued for copyright infringement. What would have happened if SCO got what it wanted?
to some RMS might be a dick, a religious zealous his POV are extreme...etc. but the man has a valid point.
As someone pointed we need people like that to act as "garde fou", keeping things in equilibrium in worst case and advancing a little in the best case.
FOSS is about freedom. And using closed software most of the time comes with a sacrifice [sometimes knowingly, sometimes not] of that freedom for convenience!
how much one can/want to sacrifice is up to them !
Where I agree with RMS is on freedom concept. But forcing people to that POV is somehow a contradiction.
a nice way would be IMHO, to let people chose what they want to do (Freedom), knowing all that they need to know. In other words try to achieve and ideal Free Market.
No I'm not willing (if I owned the company, yeah probably). why? you might ask.
the answer is simple, I'm not the one advertising/selling a service that I can't provide.
for your info BELL Canada by the time they started throttling user's traffic they increased their end user's lines (from 5 to7 MBPS).
if the network is under such heavy charges so that they "managing traffic" why did they increase speed and put the network under more stress ???
Especially in DSL, since it's not a shared pipe (every customer has his own pipe down to the ISP). The 5Mbps cap on the line should be more than enough to not bother the neighbors.
I see no reason you heavy users shouldn't pay more than I do.
I don;t really like the "you" above. you're implying something which you don;t really know!
but let me give you one reason. it's "your choice". if you pay high speed Internet to check your emails your problem, not mine!
Seriously, the more you look at it the more it's like a ponzy scheme.
the above being said, the whole point of the post was in regard to this "and any OS can't protect against that unless it's totally locked down".
Most Unix/linux (OS X included) system are kinda locked down by default. upon install there is the user "root" who has all possible privileges (over the system) and normal user who has none. which reduces the risks of nasty things happening to the system (requiring a re-install).
In contrast, for windows, the default account upon install has admin privileges.
Again no. it's not security through obscurity. (obfuscate means of getting privileges so that users are confused and never use them).
it's rather security through education. by appealing to the curious nature of people (make it not so obvious so that people will say how can I do it? and why is like this?) on top of other means of educating end users.
Opening a terminal an typing commands is cumbersome. steering that way on the long run will push people to "try" know more.. thus reducing the risks.
I for one learned that way (curiosity).
And frankly, apart from the occasional system maintenance (system updates, new hardware..etc) that comes from usually trusted sources, one doesn't require root privileges.
new software, shiny fancy new screen saver?
anything can go into you home directory and for that no need for sudo or su.
well, I'm not questioning sudo per say (it's useful) and yes you can manage it's use.
What I call implicit (less explicit would more curate)is the way Ubuntu (may be other distros I don;t know, I'm a gentoo user)) uses it, yes you have to enter a password, But opening a terminal and typing "su" (or sudo for that matter) is more explicite. Meaning you won't do it just for pleasure, and therefore most likely you know what you're about to do.
Any app that wants root priviledges can popup a window (gksu, gksudo). While it's convenient, it's more dangerous. most people don;t actually read carefully before clicking.
in the end one, ends up paying a for a service and not wanting to use it.
in the same way you buy a car and keep it int the garage. while paying for insurance and plates...etc b/c you're being charged by the Km. Oh wait isn't that what happens with cars ??? yes Gas.
but is really gas and MB the same thing ?
Good point there, but in this world... why should they care.
BELL canada for instance wanted (and still wants) UBB one there DSL lines (wholesale and retail). in a throttled environment about 20% of the traffic is dropped (DROP rule in contrast of REJECT iptables wise, the peers are not informed that connection is not permitted) hence retransmitted a couple of times. you think that was included in their plan? Not a chance. so you end up paying for the consequences of their own equipment. So why should they care about 3rd parties ?
and that's again a nice (sense the sarcasm here) to milk people like the cows they are taken for.
transforming a very high potential income into a less steady one (win - win).
as they did with charging for incoming SMSs.
IMHO it can impact.
only and only if, the pipes behind the scene are not meant to handle the kind of traffic the pipe every one is given are bringing.
this begs for network infrastructure improvement that they are not willing to do. and in the mean time milk the heavy users under the banner of better service to everyone.
an most linux systems are kinda locked down. privilege separation.
Every day's simple tasks don't need root privileges.
Though, distros like Ubuntu are killing that a bit with the "sudo" philosophy (implicite priviledge gain, like the annoying thing in VISTA).
Where as the old "su" aproach (explicitly requesting root priviledge in a terminal) is less vulnerable to this kind of tricks. Worst case user's files get erased (backup backup and backup). but the whole system integrity is untouched.
No, Sorry but this kind of thinking will create a precedent. Other people/corps out there will see it and say.. "what the hell, google is doing it and getting away with it. Why not us", follow that and boom in no time RIP privacy.
there are things that free market will sort out, for the rest,there is regulations.
Privacy is one of them, it should be protected no matter what.
It's not about blogs and what you put on FACEBOOK. The minute you've decided to put something like that you knowingly and willingly gave up privacy (for that piece of information). Being literally tracked, is an other story.
When walking in the street, if you find out that your every move was followed and recorded by a PI, what would be your reaction ???I'd say some will break his nose.
sometimes it's not that "voluntarily. as an example (not realted to mobile phones, but in the same spirit).
I'm canadian. Precisely from Montreal (quebec, the french speaking north american folks). Lately we had (Still having actually) a big problem with ADSL access.
I'm sure you've heard of it, and apprently the FCC took a stand on it ; THROTTLING.
BELL Canada decided unilaterally to throttle it's residential service (that is Ok, they're the ISP in this case, and if people don;t like they can walk away, wich they did hence ->) and wholesale GAS access (which simplified is a mean to provide connectivity between one EU and his ISP, no internet access to this point). Our DUMB CRTC (FCC counter part) said yeah why not, their network their rules, as long as it is transparent and EUs are given notice.
Look where we are now, a lot of indi ISPs and no single "UNTHROTTLED" ADSL connection. Free marker will sort it out they said. Free market is in jail I say.
SO yes we need regulation to protect us from big corps and oligopolies.
as some one pointed out above, in some situations (near perfect) "feet vote" will sort things out, in some other, regulations are a must.
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till this day N900 remains by fare the best acquisition (app wise to pick up apple's line)! a truly open platform.
Scary or neat?? that is the question. here's a thought, what if they (cel/tel cos) are already packet switching and making people pay for circuit switching?
what's the point in paying a dead man ????
add to this the fact that right holder is not necessarily the author. And the authors are as fucked as the rest.
well, it seams that the there are very big holes int that net lately
that's may be what we need to start doing !
what has intellectual property have with physical property ???? nothing. Intellectual property is ARTIFICIAL. you should may be read Jefferson on the matter!
If I take away your home, what do you have ? nothing If I take away your idea, what do you have ? All you had before. The way things are now copyright first goal "incentive to create" is DEAD, it is now more the "disincentive to create"
Seriously, it is time for a new "Statue of Anne".
I sure hope that most linux users are not in there only b/c of the price in $. IMHO, linux is not just a price tag, it's a philosophy, a way of being!
do you really need it?
In any case, Microsoft won't come after end-users for patent infringement. It simply won't happen.
Deja vu ? a lot of people said that at one point, Enter DMCA. ordinary people are sued for copyright infringement. What would have happened if SCO got what it wanted? to some RMS might be a dick, a religious zealous his POV are extreme ...etc. but the man has a valid point.
As someone pointed we need people like that to act as "garde fou", keeping things in equilibrium in worst case and advancing a little in the best case.
FOSS is about freedom. And using closed software most of the time comes with a sacrifice [sometimes knowingly, sometimes not] of that freedom for convenience!
how much one can/want to sacrifice is up to them !
Where I agree with RMS is on freedom concept. But forcing people to that POV is somehow a contradiction.
a nice way would be IMHO, to let people chose what they want to do (Freedom), knowing all that they need to know. In other words try to achieve and ideal Free Market.
Are you prepared to pay for it?
No I'm not willing (if I owned the company, yeah probably). why? you might ask. the answer is simple, I'm not the one advertising/selling a service that I can't provide. for your info BELL Canada by the time they started throttling user's traffic they increased their end user's lines (from 5 to7 MBPS). if the network is under such heavy charges so that they "managing traffic" why did they increase speed and put the network under more stress ??? Especially in DSL, since it's not a shared pipe (every customer has his own pipe down to the ISP). The 5Mbps cap on the line should be more than enough to not bother the neighbors.
I see no reason you heavy users shouldn't pay more than I do.
I don;t really like the "you" above. you're implying something which you don;t really know! but let me give you one reason. it's "your choice". if you pay high speed Internet to check your emails your problem, not mine!
Seriously, the more you look at it the more it's like a ponzy scheme.
the above being said, the whole point of the post was in regard to this "and any OS can't protect against that unless it's totally locked down". Most Unix/linux (OS X included) system are kinda locked down by default. upon install there is the user "root" who has all possible privileges (over the system) and normal user who has none. which reduces the risks of nasty things happening to the system (requiring a re-install). In contrast, for windows, the default account upon install has admin privileges.
Again no. it's not security through obscurity. (obfuscate means of getting privileges so that users are confused and never use them). it's rather security through education. by appealing to the curious nature of people (make it not so obvious so that people will say how can I do it? and why is like this?) on top of other means of educating end users. Opening a terminal an typing commands is cumbersome. steering that way on the long run will push people to "try" know more .. thus reducing the risks.
I for one learned that way (curiosity).
And frankly, apart from the occasional system maintenance (system updates, new hardware ..etc) that comes from usually trusted sources, one doesn't require root privileges.
new software, shiny fancy new screen saver?
anything can go into you home directory and for that no need for sudo or su.
well, I'm not questioning sudo per say (it's useful) and yes you can manage it's use. What I call implicit (less explicit would more curate)is the way Ubuntu (may be other distros I don;t know, I'm a gentoo user)) uses it, yes you have to enter a password, But opening a terminal and typing "su" (or sudo for that matter) is more explicite. Meaning you won't do it just for pleasure, and therefore most likely you know what you're about to do. Any app that wants root priviledges can popup a window (gksu, gksudo). While it's convenient, it's more dangerous. most people don;t actually read carefully before clicking.
in the end one, ends up paying a for a service and not wanting to use it. in the same way you buy a car and keep it int the garage. while paying for insurance and plates...etc b/c you're being charged by the Km. Oh wait isn't that what happens with cars ??? yes Gas. but is really gas and MB the same thing ?
Good point there, but in this world ... why should they care.
BELL canada for instance wanted (and still wants) UBB one there DSL lines (wholesale and retail). in a throttled environment about 20% of the traffic is dropped (DROP rule in contrast of REJECT iptables wise, the peers are not informed that connection is not permitted) hence retransmitted a couple of times. you think that was included in their plan? Not a chance. so you end up paying for the consequences of their own equipment. So why should they care about 3rd parties ?
and that's again a nice (sense the sarcasm here) to milk people like the cows they are taken for. transforming a very high potential income into a less steady one (win - win). as they did with charging for incoming SMSs.
IMHO it can impact. only and only if, the pipes behind the scene are not meant to handle the kind of traffic the pipe every one is given are bringing. this begs for network infrastructure improvement that they are not willing to do. and in the mean time milk the heavy users under the banner of better service to everyone.
an most linux systems are kinda locked down. privilege separation. Every day's simple tasks don't need root privileges. Though, distros like Ubuntu are killing that a bit with the "sudo" philosophy (implicite priviledge gain, like the annoying thing in VISTA). Where as the old "su" aproach (explicitly requesting root priviledge in a terminal) is less vulnerable to this kind of tricks. Worst case user's files get erased (backup backup and backup). but the whole system integrity is untouched.
I don't see it. please elaborate.
No, Sorry but this kind of thinking will create a precedent. Other people/corps out there will see it and say .. "what the hell, google is doing it and getting away with it. Why not us", follow that and boom in no time RIP privacy.
there are things that free market will sort out, for the rest,there is regulations.
Privacy is one of them, it should be protected no matter what.
It's not about blogs and what you put on FACEBOOK. The minute you've decided to put something like that you knowingly and willingly gave up privacy (for that piece of information). Being literally tracked, is an other story.
When walking in the street, if you find out that your every move was followed and recorded by a PI, what would be your reaction ???I'd say some will break his nose.
sometimes it's not that "voluntarily. as an example (not realted to mobile phones, but in the same spirit). I'm canadian. Precisely from Montreal (quebec, the french speaking north american folks). Lately we had (Still having actually) a big problem with ADSL access. I'm sure you've heard of it, and apprently the FCC took a stand on it ; THROTTLING. BELL Canada decided unilaterally to throttle it's residential service (that is Ok, they're the ISP in this case, and if people don;t like they can walk away, wich they did hence ->) and wholesale GAS access (which simplified is a mean to provide connectivity between one EU and his ISP, no internet access to this point). Our DUMB CRTC (FCC counter part) said yeah why not, their network their rules, as long as it is transparent and EUs are given notice. Look where we are now, a lot of indi ISPs and no single "UNTHROTTLED" ADSL connection. Free marker will sort it out they said. Free market is in jail I say. SO yes we need regulation to protect us from big corps and oligopolies. as some one pointed out above, in some situations (near perfect) "feet vote" will sort things out, in some other, regulations are a must.