and furthermore, in the spirit of Open Source, I would just like to say that your contribution to the project sucked and you must be a total lamer, and to complain about the choice of window manager we are using.
No, this won't do at all. Courtneey Love's speech is articulate and reasoned, whereas, as a loyal slashdot reader, I am used to getting my music piracy analysis from illiterate, inarticulate, long haired greasy halfwits who couldn't fall down a flight of stairs without missing at least half a beat. Could someone please write a "Lars-o-matic" program to insert "you know" and "well" and "um" every third word in order to bring some sort of sanity back to arrangements.
I must point out that I am not volunteering to do any such thing myself, merely adopting the "open Source" style of development by whinging about it in the hope that somebody else will. I certainly have no intention of learning Perl or any similar abortion of a line-noise emulation language (that's link, by the way, motherfuckers, so moderate me informative.
In conclusion, fuck you all.
--if only more people were more like streetlawyer.
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I assume you are referring to the MTV sitcom "The Real World", but I can't see for the life of me what your point is. And the word is "fucken", not "frigging".
The people who (IMO) this announcement is aimed at probably couldn't care less about marketing strategies.
This announcement hasn't been "aimed" at all. It's been floated out into the ether in the hope that the right people will hear about it and, having heard, care about it. Which seems like a drastically inefficient way of communicating the information and of persuading people to join the project.
Well exactly. I'm one of those non-programmers -- I'm a lawyer, but that puts me in the commercial world, and I can recognise a fucked marketing strategy when I see one. I personally wouldn't try to devise a plan for a new product without the assistance of a marketing professional, for the simple reason that they can tell you whether this "plenty of announcements" model is effective or not. What if it's actually the case that nobody on Slashdot is going to be able to help the Berlin project (wrong demographic), or nobody wants to be part of it (wrong branding), or people think that the existing window managers are good enough (bad user needs analysis), or people are just pissed off at hearing yet another press release (wrong brand values)?
If projects like this are just going to be released onto the market without a proper marketing strategy, they should expect to succeed or fail on the basis of pure luck rather than anything else. Look at Linux, for example. All my software colleagues say that BSD is better, but Linux is the fashionable product, and it has the cool penguin branding, so it dominates the market... remind you of anything? You may not like marketeers, but they are scientists just like computer programmers, and the science of persuasion is something that shouldn't be ignored.
So, in other words, it's all about marketing? But if the secret of a successful open source project is good marketing, why is everyone on/. so hostile to professional marketeers? Surely the "multiple releases of vaporware" tactic is just an amateur marketing strategy dreamt up by non-marketeers, and as such is likely to be worse than code written by non-experts.
There used to be a marketing guy who posted here, offering maretking advice for free. He was a bit clueless, but he could have been helped and recruited for a "good" project like Berlin (if it is any good, I don't know), and showed them how to get these eyeballs in the best way. Instead, the SlashBots decided that their fantastic wisdom was too great to need help, and flamed him off the forum. Wasn't this a mistake?
Given that the main marketing effort of Open SOurce appears to be self-appointed "advocates" like Raymond and Stallman, who surely put off as many people as they attract, wouldn't some of the IPO money, or O'Reilly's be better spent on good marketing advice rather than yet another Perl wizard? Linus Torvalds is an exception to this; as someone who cut his teeth at Nokia (a company which knows the value of marketing), he seems to have an instinctive understanding of the science.
If you are so over-sensitive that a simple remark about respecting cultural differences offends you, then I have one message for you:
Get Over It
People like you must learn to deal with the fact that sooner or later, someone is going to challenge your preconceptions and remind you that there is a whole world full of stuff that you don't know about. Insular, closed-minded Americans like you are the truly weak individuals -- I note that my original post was less than a hundred words, including a joke, while your self-righteous, whining response was over five hundred words, with not a hint of a sense of humour. Seems like you're the one who becomes distraught when he hears something he doesn't agree with (I say "he" with complete confidence, because it's always white men who feel so threatened by being told that they're wrong).
I can only assume that you had a bullying father, which makes you so horribly anxious to be in the right all the time, because you clearly can't stand being wrong. Which means that life must be hell for you, because you're wrong all the time.
.... would people look at a product described as 0.2.0 alpha test and proclaim "Not Vaporware Any More"! The "community" does itself no favours by boasting about these promising but half-finished applications on public fora like sourceforge. Why not concentrate on products which are ready for primetime like (insert your favourite example here -- I'm not interested in flamewars). Taco et. al. have the right idea with the Slash code -- release reasonably early and often, rather than constantly crying wolf over a product that's still sucking nipples. The way some projects carry on, you'd think they were just playing the hype game to raise IPO capital -- even some of the much-reviled marketing droids would quail at the number of "launches" and "new releases" that these projects go through. Relax, guys, you're not in the commercial arena so stop huckstering like you're selling raw prawns from an unrefrigerated truck on a hot day.
This seems pretty damn culturally insensitive to me. Anyone who knows anything about Japanese culture knows that haiku are not just pieces of prose cut up into lines, in order to teach retarded American children how to count syllables. They're actually a very important part of the culture and history of an entire society. At the very least, they should have a parallel competition to trivialise something of similar importance in American culture, like hamburgers, or snot.
I know... a contest to create an AI bot that takes a random.rdf file and parses it into a half-cocked justification for owning firearms! Then the Japanese could return the compliment.
Actually, the ability to recognise Morse Code operators by their "fist" has been around for literally ages, and, IIRC, was described in a James Bond book ("Diamonds Are Forever")
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N'Sync and their ilk
Listen, moron, "ilk" is not a posh word for "kind" or "sort". It is an old Scottish word meaning "same" and should only be used in contexts where "same" would also be correct. For example "Lord Moncrieff of that Ilk" is Lord Moncrieff of that same, ie Moncrieff of Moncrieff. Or, for example "he joined the Communist Party in 1953 and left that ilk in 1971". If you mean "kind", use the fucking common Anglo-Saxon word. Don't try to appear clever with a word unless you know what it means.
People like you should have their arms and legs broken with iron bars.
just to point out that the legal complications which surrounded previous versions of the same technology (N-P-17 and the N-P-13 Professional) are now cleared up. These versions had fallen foul of New York State and other local regulations; however, these matters have been settled (my firm's regulatory practice was involved), and N-P NoW19 is cleared by all appropriate agencies (I'm not sure about Utah; check your own lawyer, as ever). Particularly, the TPM version is free of all possible complications.
I realise that not one reader in a thousand will care about or understand this thread, but what the hell,/. has thousands of readers.
Hmmmm.. since that system managed to leave Mozart in a pauper's grave at the age of 33, he might not necessarily give you the ringing endorsement you seek. Lack of a system whereby musicians can own the fruits of their labours basically deprived us of the vision of a mature Mozart. Effectively, the abolition of copyright transforms musicians from owners of capital into pure labourers, which seems a pretty shabby way to treat the people who do far more to enrich our lives than computer programmers ever will.
Are you really saying you want politicians to have the power of life or death over research? Might I remind you where the driving force behind the Manhatten Project came from? Hint: it wasn't from Bohr, Rutherford et al.
Exactly. The scientists involved would not have devoted their energies to the vital and praiseworthy project of winning the Second World War against the forces of Authoritarian Socialism, without the benign hand of democratic government reminding them that while the structure of DNA might be terribly interesting to sit and ponder, the public demanded nuclear weapons. The public was right, as it always was, and as it will be in the case of genetically-modified lampreys.
You have heard about evolution (or rather, the lack thereof) in Kansas, right?
Yes, absolutely. In Kansas, the locally elected representatives quite correctly decided to stop having evolution as a compulsory part of the syllabus, and allowed parents the choice. Meanwhile, a group of unelected self-styled "defenders of truth" demanded that every single pupil in Kansas be indoctrinated in their belief system. What part of "we the people" do you have a problem with?
We ARE mother nature, nature made us and we must do what we are impelled to do
As a defence of scientific research, this suffers from the fairly serious flaw that it also works as a defence of banning scientific research if that's what we feel "impelled to do"
Are the gains to science from this really so large as to justify the cutting up of a living animal? I don't really find anything "laudably perverse" in taking a knife to the living tissue of another creature. You might say I'm over-reacting, and that it's "only" a lamprey. But there's something about this story that doesn't make me want to trust these people. "Laudably perverse", as a judgement on the death of a creature doesn't suggest much respect for life, does it? Children who torture flies grow up to torture dogs, and later, people. How long will it be before these people decide that for their research they need a cat? a monkey? a baby? I just don't want to trust them unless they are strictly regulated, and unless they are subject ot democratic control including the power for elected representatives to close down all research in this field forever
Oh go on then, flame away. But there are millions of us "trolls" who care about animal cruelty, and if you want to maintain a freindly climate toward scientists, you'll need to respect us.
OK, I'm not exactly a techno-geek, but with seven years of Hah-vud Law School behind me, I think that a bit of Latin has rubbed off on me. Here's the explanation:
"Virus" comes from the Latin word "Vi", meaning "crappy text editor". It is pluralised because one is creating the concept of multiple vi, adding feature after feature to create a completely bloated, horrifically crappy text editor.
To then double-pluralise it, one would be creating a concept of a text editor bloated beyond the point of reason, so that you actually question your own sanity.
I therefore submit that the plural of "Virus" is "Emacs".
My preferred plural of virus would be virus, with a long u. This is after the correct pluralisation of prospectus.
And they call Donkey Kong by that name because it was a typo for Monkey Kong, made by someone at Nintendo, and they couldn't be bothered correcting it when they released the game outside Japan.
Shadowrunners are the individualists who live on the margins, able to "slide like a whisper" through the databases of giant corporations, spiriting away the only thing of real value -- information.
It's just not true that information has real value. Information has value in as much as it allows you to do things. The kinds of information that giant corporations keep in databases are only valuable because they allow corporations to exercise their power. "Information is the new currency", correctly understood, is almost always code for "Power is the new currency".
"Linux" isn't an organization that has a bunch of IPO money and is responsible for the operating system called Linux. "Linux" is not a company (hence no stock ticker).
Well who are these guys then? They've been filing 8-K reports for three quarters now, but I can't find the quote anywhere.
Good point (though I must say, my partnership moved to Linux last week at the insistence of our senior partner who demanded we do something to show the lucrative dot com corporate customer segment that we "get it").
Send mail are hardly helping matters, though, by washing all the dirty linen in public, compromising the security of the whole product as they do so. What's the proverb? "NO SECURITY WITHOUT OBSCURITY!". I thought that was what the "Open Source Security Model" was all about? Myabe when the BSD thing is ready for release, they'll sort this problem out.
All in all I give it a C; it had its basic effect (Hey, I replied, didn't I), but your time would have been better spent downloading fake Brittney Spears porn.
You don't get to give out "grades" to trolls you have responded to, just as a jailhouse punk doesn't get to critique the technique of his mack daddy-of-the-day. Trolling isn't figure skating and there are no points for artistic impression. All that matters is whether the mark follows up or not. And no, you don't appear clever, ironic or knowing for recognising a troll. You responded, you fed the troll, therefore you are a mark.
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and furthermore, in the spirit of Open Source, I would just like to say that your contribution to the project sucked and you must be a total lamer, and to complain about the choice of window manager we are using.
I must point out that I am not volunteering to do any such thing myself, merely adopting the "open Source" style of development by whinging about it in the hope that somebody else will. I certainly have no intention of learning Perl or any similar abortion of a line-noise emulation language (that's link, by the way, motherfuckers, so moderate me informative.
In conclusion, fuck you all.
--if only more people were more like streetlawyer.
I assume you are referring to the MTV sitcom "The Real World", but I can't see for the life of me what your point is. And the word is "fucken", not "frigging".
This announcement hasn't been "aimed" at all. It's been floated out into the ether in the hope that the right people will hear about it and, having heard, care about it. Which seems like a drastically inefficient way of communicating the information and of persuading people to join the project.
If projects like this are just going to be released onto the market without a proper marketing strategy, they should expect to succeed or fail on the basis of pure luck rather than anything else. Look at Linux, for example. All my software colleagues say that BSD is better, but Linux is the fashionable product, and it has the cool penguin branding, so it dominates the market ... remind you of anything? You may not like marketeers, but they are scientists just like computer programmers, and the science of persuasion is something that shouldn't be ignored.
There used to be a marketing guy who posted here, offering maretking advice for free. He was a bit clueless, but he could have been helped and recruited for a "good" project like Berlin (if it is any good, I don't know), and showed them how to get these eyeballs in the best way. Instead, the SlashBots decided that their fantastic wisdom was too great to need help, and flamed him off the forum. Wasn't this a mistake?
Given that the main marketing effort of Open SOurce appears to be self-appointed "advocates" like Raymond and Stallman, who surely put off as many people as they attract, wouldn't some of the IPO money, or O'Reilly's be better spent on good marketing advice rather than yet another Perl wizard? Linus Torvalds is an exception to this; as someone who cut his teeth at Nokia (a company which knows the value of marketing), he seems to have an instinctive understanding of the science.
Get Over It
People like you must learn to deal with the fact that sooner or later, someone is going to challenge your preconceptions and remind you that there is a whole world full of stuff that you don't know about. Insular, closed-minded Americans like you are the truly weak individuals -- I note that my original post was less than a hundred words, including a joke, while your self-righteous, whining response was over five hundred words, with not a hint of a sense of humour. Seems like you're the one who becomes distraught when he hears something he doesn't agree with (I say "he" with complete confidence, because it's always white men who feel so threatened by being told that they're wrong).
I can only assume that you had a bullying father, which makes you so horribly anxious to be in the right all the time, because you clearly can't stand being wrong. Which means that life must be hell for you, because you're wrong all the time.
.... would people look at a product described as 0.2.0 alpha test and proclaim "Not Vaporware Any More"! The "community" does itself no favours by boasting about these promising but half-finished applications on public fora like sourceforge. Why not concentrate on products which are ready for primetime like (insert your favourite example here -- I'm not interested in flamewars). Taco et. al. have the right idea with the Slash code -- release reasonably early and often, rather than constantly crying wolf over a product that's still sucking nipples. The way some projects carry on, you'd think they were just playing the hype game to raise IPO capital -- even some of the much-reviled marketing droids would quail at the number of "launches" and "new releases" that these projects go through. Relax, guys, you're not in the commercial arena so stop huckstering like you're selling raw prawns from an unrefrigerated truck on a hot day.
This seems pretty damn culturally insensitive to me. Anyone who knows anything about Japanese culture knows that haiku are not just pieces of prose cut up into lines, in order to teach retarded American children how to count syllables. They're actually a very important part of the culture and history of an entire society. At the very least, they should have a parallel competition to trivialise something of similar importance in American culture, like hamburgers, or snot.
... a contest to create an AI bot that takes a random .rdf file and parses it into a half-cocked justification for owning firearms! Then the Japanese could return the compliment.
I know
Actually, the ability to recognise Morse Code operators by their "fist" has been around for literally ages, and, IIRC, was described in a James Bond book ("Diamonds Are Forever")
Listen, moron, "ilk" is not a posh word for "kind" or "sort". It is an old Scottish word meaning "same" and should only be used in contexts where "same" would also be correct. For example "Lord Moncrieff of that Ilk" is Lord Moncrieff of that same, ie Moncrieff of Moncrieff. Or, for example "he joined the Communist Party in 1953 and left that ilk in 1971". If you mean "kind", use the fucking common Anglo-Saxon word. Don't try to appear clever with a word unless you know what it means.
People like you should have their arms and legs broken with iron bars.
just to point out that the legal complications which surrounded previous versions of the same technology (N-P-17 and the N-P-13 Professional) are now cleared up. These versions had fallen foul of New York State and other local regulations; however, these matters have been settled (my firm's regulatory practice was involved), and N-P NoW19 is cleared by all appropriate agencies (I'm not sure about Utah; check your own lawyer, as ever). Particularly, the TPM version is free of all possible complications.
/. has thousands of readers.
I realise that not one reader in a thousand will care about or understand this thread, but what the hell,
Sledgehammer to crack a nut, surely? You hardly need a nanoplotter to print a diffraction grating.
Hmmmm .. since that system managed to leave Mozart in a pauper's grave at the age of 33, he might not necessarily give you the ringing endorsement you seek. Lack of a system whereby musicians can own the fruits of their labours basically deprived us of the vision of a mature Mozart. Effectively, the abolition of copyright transforms musicians from owners of capital into pure labourers, which seems a pretty shabby way to treat the people who do far more to enrich our lives than computer programmers ever will.
four words: stiff upper fucking lip
Exactly. The scientists involved would not have devoted their energies to the vital and praiseworthy project of winning the Second World War against the forces of Authoritarian Socialism, without the benign hand of democratic government reminding them that while the structure of DNA might be terribly interesting to sit and ponder, the public demanded nuclear weapons. The public was right, as it always was, and as it will be in the case of genetically-modified lampreys.
Yes, absolutely. In Kansas, the locally elected representatives quite correctly decided to stop having evolution as a compulsory part of the syllabus, and allowed parents the choice. Meanwhile, a group of unelected self-styled "defenders of truth" demanded that every single pupil in Kansas be indoctrinated in their belief system. What part of "we the people" do you have a problem with?
As a defence of scientific research, this suffers from the fairly serious flaw that it also works as a defence of banning scientific research if that's what we feel "impelled to do"
Oh go on then, flame away. But there are millions of us "trolls" who care about animal cruelty, and if you want to maintain a freindly climate toward scientists, you'll need to respect us.
OK, I'm not exactly a techno-geek, but with seven years of Hah-vud Law School behind me, I think that a bit of Latin has rubbed off on me. Here's the explanation:
"Virus" comes from the Latin word "Vi", meaning "crappy text editor". It is pluralised because one is creating the concept of multiple vi, adding feature after feature to create a completely bloated, horrifically crappy text editor.
To then double-pluralise it, one would be creating a concept of a text editor bloated beyond the point of reason, so that you actually question your own sanity.
I therefore submit that the plural of "Virus" is "Emacs".
My preferred plural of virus would be virus, with a long u. This is after the correct pluralisation of prospectus.
And they call Donkey Kong by that name because it was a typo for Monkey Kong, made by someone at Nintendo, and they couldn't be bothered correcting it when they released the game outside Japan.
Shadowrunners are the individualists who live on the margins, able to "slide like a whisper" through the databases of giant corporations, spiriting away the only thing of real value -- information.
It's just not true that information has real value. Information has value in as much as it allows you to do things. The kinds of information that giant corporations keep in databases are only valuable because they allow corporations to exercise their power. "Information is the new currency", correctly understood, is almost always code for "Power is the new currency".
Well who are these guys then? They've been filing 8-K reports for three quarters now, but I can't find the quote anywhere.
Send mail are hardly helping matters, though, by washing all the dirty linen in public, compromising the security of the whole product as they do so. What's the proverb? "NO SECURITY WITHOUT OBSCURITY!". I thought that was what the "Open Source Security Model" was all about? Myabe when the BSD thing is ready for release, they'll sort this problem out.
You don't get to give out "grades" to trolls you have responded to, just as a jailhouse punk doesn't get to critique the technique of his mack daddy-of-the-day. Trolling isn't figure skating and there are no points for artistic impression. All that matters is whether the mark follows up or not. And no, you don't appear clever, ironic or knowing for recognising a troll. You responded, you fed the troll, therefore you are a mark.
To put it more simply, it's a win-or-lose game.
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