Wow. You completely missed the point. How hard is to prove that you really need a gun ? Lets see: - "I'm a truck driver, I drive late at night at low traffic roads" - "I'm a lawyer, judge etc" - "I'm a 24h shop owner that stay late at night on my shop" - "I'm a driver that transport valueable items, prone to be stolen"
Actually, in Canada (don't know where you are exactly), getting carry permits is a real pain in the ass and very few are given out. None of those above justifications would work (armoured truck driver will most likely work), and even though it is written in the law that a carry permit may be given to someone who has a violent ex spouse / stalker, not a single permit has been issued to someone who has filed with that justification.
Europe is much safer than the US and the gun laws are pretty strict. I'm guessing that the time frame that you are looking at is... well... fairly recent.
I suggested that gun violence would. It's about the guns. We're talking about guns.
Indeed, and after we get rid of all the guns, we will all live on fluffy clouds made of marshmellows and drink free beer. Nobody will ever harm anyone else with anything like a knife, bat, 2x4, tire iron or a fist.
Clearly guns cause all of our problems. (btw, check out machete crimes and the push for machete registration in Mass.)
Because when this happens (perhaps), those will be the only bullets you're legally allowed to buy?
Realistically though, there is tons of ammo out there now that doesn't have this requirement - I personally have about 1500 rounds of 9mm, 450 rounds of.380, 500 rounds of.308, 500 rounds of 12 gauge and about 5000 rounds of.22. I realize that might be a bit odd, but it is cheaper to buy in bulk... The cows have long since escaped because the barn door was open;)
Hehe, in Poland, I saw a sign that translated to "My dog can make it to the front gate in 2 seconds, what about you?" My dog likes lasers so much that I'm pretty sure I don't need any ammo, just paint the bad guy with the laser and he pounces;)
Add a gun or guns and the situation has the potential to end tragically for either party or by-standers.
Because we all know, if there weren't any guns around, they would of have started a bonfire, brought out the smores and sang a acapella version of kumbaya. The fact is that the gun in that situation was there, and the police were not. It also doesn't matter if you're a 105 pound woman or a 350 pound quarterback, a gun is just as effective in your hands if you practice a bit and just as deadly for those on the other end of it. Yes, that cuts both ways, but you have the same thing with knives and bats (athough England is trying to ban knives too...)
And as for this myth of "adrenaline will cause you to shoot people" - that is bullshit and I speak from first hand experience. A drunken frat boy decided it would be a good idea to steal a toner cartridge for a Laserjet IIIp (retard...) while I was moving. He approached me as I was looking for something in the trunk and during our "talk", I slipped a magazine full of hydrashoks hollowpoint ammo into my 9mm and loaded a round. When it became clear that dumbass just wanted to steal something and run off, I just shrugged and pretty much let him do it. I somehow managed to overcome the irresistable urge to empty my magazine into him and let him go as he and his dumbass friends sped off (and skidded around a corner and tore up the right side of his new suv, lol). The police never showed up, by the way - in some places the local cops are useless.
Oh, finally, it might not be the greatest idea to use the UK as an example, where you have gangs of thugs and idiots running around "happy slapping" people, carrying bats or whatever improvised weapons that are available to them while ordinary citizens are worried about a 5 year sentence for carrying a swiss army knife in their pocket.
To say nothing of workplace health and safety standards. I'll put money down that 25%+ of those employees will have some kind of cancer before they turn 50 and 40% will be dead before they turn 60. Some of the chemicals used are pretty nasty shit. The "company store / housing" thing is also popular in China - the factory mandates that you live in their dorms and eat their food - even they are overpriced (hundreds of percent) and substandard. The article claims that the housing is "included" although you can take that a couple different ways.
We ended up going though SIX (yes "6") more boards before we found one that would actually work.
That's not really limited to ECS though - the rule for frys is that if you build a whole system, you're going back at least once to change a dead part. A good chunk of the shit on your shelf is defective and the return drones keep on tossing broken shit back on the shelf with those fucking stickers.
There is a reason people call the store "Fry'd"
BTW, "Great Quality" is an awesome name for quite possibly the worst quality products in computing history. Their CD-R's are especially great.
I don't know if teaching was your ultimate goal, but did you seriously expect that you would make a lot of money in education? Sure, if / when you get tenure, it isn't that bad, but adjunct and non-tenured professors have to put up with a lot of bullshit for little pay and no benefits (I'm not even going to mention k-12). As far as I know, this has been the case for the last 150+ years, so it can hardly be considered a surprise.
BTW, It seems that the majority of math teachers at the college / uni level are bitter that they spent so many years in school before they "discovered" their career options are basically limited to teaching for $40,000 a year.
people's computers performed faster than they did with the previous release. MS will accomplish that feat shortly after they cure the common cold.
Microsoft employees own stock in the the companies who will see a dramatic increase of sales of new hardware or system components. So it's not really bloat, it's more a financial decision on the part of the employees. Or maybe the bloat is just a nice side effect, but the fact remains that a lot of microsoft employees are going to make a couple bucks off the release. There really hasn't been a killer app that will force upgrades for everyone for quite a few years now - mainly because there was no need - computers worked perfectly (except for those that shipped with 128mb of ram from OEMs running XP) for virtually everyone out there. . Sure, games are getting better and requiring more horsepower, but not everyone plays - and those who play can always turn the details down. And along comes Vista, which is bloated enough to require computer upgrades for approximately 85%+ of the systems out there. Oh, and in a year or two, office won't install on xp anymore (just like office 97), nor will any of the games be backwards compatible. Sorry. Buy a copy of Vista, buy a new computer (probably from Dell or one of the bigger OEMs - MS has make it a royal PITA with for small system builders to add a "Vista Compatible" label to their PCs. I'm not trying to be a MS hater, but with every news release, it is becoming easier and easier to be more and more cynical. It really isn't insider trading either. A beautiful system.
Exactly, and the fact is that they have mounds of data from who knows how long ago. If, in the future, mandatory firearm registration is introduced, this data will be used, but that doesn't seem to scare any of the apologists on the right.
BTW, in case you think you think that the two links at the bottom of the previous post were two isolated cases, they are both from the last week. Look back, you'll find more of these.
In Re Birch, 10 Cal.3d 314, 515 P.2d 12, 110 Cal.Rptr. 212 (1973), specifically "While petitioner possibly might have suspected that a guilty plea could result in a short jail sentence, we cannot believe that he was aware that as a consequence of urinating in a parking lot at 1:30 in the morning he would be required to register as a sex offender. Certainly counsel would have advised him of this grave and direct consequence of his guilty plea; in the absence of counsel the responsibility for such advice rested with the court. Without this advice, we conclude that petitioner's waiver of counsel and plea of guilty cannot be regarded as having been knowingly and intelligently made."
Took me about a minute using google to find those.
Statutory rape is a offence that requires registration, look around and you'll find tons of these case. And yes, if your're 18 and she's 17 and mommmy complains, that's statutory rape. Actually, in michigan, even minors are put in the registry.
Sex in a public place - i.e. a couple having sex in the woods, ditto.
Homosexuals have been prosecuted in the past for sodomy, and although most of those convictions predate the registries, certain states still prosecute people for that offense. A completely consensual act (actually, blow jobs fall under sodomy in certain states too) between two adults can get you put on the registry. I have not heard of a single case where the requirements to register, et al, were nullified when the legislature overturned the law (so, even though the activity is completely legal now, you're still considered a sex offender)
In some states, if you are urinating in public in a place where children might see you (i.e., bushes outside a school yard at night), you get the kiddie offender bonus (there isn't really a consistent naming scheme)
Now, the people put on the registries for stupid stuff like this aren't classified as violent offenders or anything (the levels / classes aren't standard either, an offense that will get you on the level one list in one state is public urination and in another state, level 1 will be a violent sexual predator), but everyone on the sex offender lists still have to deal with the registration bullshit for 25 years (if not forever, again, depends on state) - and also deal with the fairly abusive legislation that has been passed as PR stunts and parts of re-election campaigns for politicians. i.e. http://www.kfmb.com/stories/story.54227.html (this is clearly a stunt - I don't have all that much problem with the law if it applied to only violent sexual predaors, actually) or this http://www.forsythnews.com/news/stories/20060618/l ocalnews/103911.shtml In any other case, we'd argue against ex post facto punishments, but hey, if you can look tough on crime, you'll probably get re-elected.
Look, I really don't want to sound harsh, but you're an idiot if you're expecting a company to fix leaking caps in a computer that was built several years ago (when _everyone_ used the shitty chinese rip-off version of capacitor juice.) I really don't think that Apple ever was any different. I can think of several situations where they have basically stepped back and said "fuckit, we're not fixing this, let the customers deal with it" (g3 ibook logic boards, mdd macs, crappy hinges on the iLamp mac, etc. Of course, you can do much worse than buying apple - compare the problems that Apple had to the problems that Toshiba laptops were plagued with.
Speaking as someone who had an incident with a battery expoding / lighting on fire in a [nda] PDA, yeah, a lithium battery can do a lot of damage. I'm not exactly sure what the size of the Lion cell, but it was a lot smaller than a laptop battery and even inside the pda's case, flames leapt out the front panel buttons and lit the shirt I was wearing on fire. Fun fun fun! I don't use a laptop on my lap without a laptop cooling pad.
This even works if the houses were built after the bar was built. Shooting ranges have also suffered from this "I'm a NIMBY who moved beside a shooting range and now can bitch and whine about how loud it is, so please oh please City Hall, close down the shooting range / nightclub / factory because it is annoying me" I really don't get it either, but nimbys have succeeded in closing down things that annoy them, even if they were built long before the nimby moved into the neighborhood. (nimby = not in my back yard")
Under the right facts, I bet the law woudl not even consider it stealing to receive an encrypted broadcast.
Well, you can legally receive the encrypted broadcast if you pay for it - or even if you don't. The problem is the legislation that deals with what you do after you receive it. It is a great thing that we have lobbyists who get laws passed that specifically state that it is illegal to decrypt the received signal if you don't pay the sat. company. This is similar to the "can receive unencrypted cell phone broadcasts on your device, just can't listen / act on the information contained within those broadcasts" laws.
then it became a matter of trespassing. Which he wasn't arrested for. Probably because telling someone to stop or leave isn't the same as banning them from your property (or banning them from your network).
There are a few simple steps that you have to follow in order to have the police arrest someone for trespassing and for that charge to be sucessfully prosecuted. It looks like these steps were not followed and the police pulled a charge out of their ass because they didn't want to have to come back a third time that day to arrest the guy on tresspass charges.
In Oregon, even if you're the same age, if her mommy or daddy complains - even if it was completely consensual, you will be charged with statutory rape. You will be sent to prison, and you will have to register as a sex offender. I know of a 18 year old who had sex with a girl less than a month before she turned 18 that served time in the pokey because mommy complained to the police. Charges were filed after she turned 18. What a fucking waste of money.
Of course, in Oregon, it appears to be perfectly fine to shine non-visible laser (say, a far IR one) at police officers (feel free to shine laser pointers on anybody but the police, btw). Yay for stupid laws.
163.709 Unlawful directing of light from a laser pointer. (1) A person commits the offense of unlawful directing of light from a laser pointer if the person knowingly directs light from a laser pointer at another person without the consent of the other person and the other person is: (a) A peace officer as defined in ORS 161.015 who is acting in the course of official duty; or (b) A uniformed private security professional as defined in ORS 181.870 who is on duty. (2) The offense described in this section, unlawful directing of light from a laser pointer, is a Class A misdemeanor. (3) As used in this section, "laser pointer" means a device that emits light amplified by the stimulated emission of radiation that is visible to the human eye. [1999 c.757 1; 2005 c.447 9]
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Don't be so sure - Mass. wants to ban machete ownership and require registration.
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What's with the "overrated" mods anyway?
IIRC, they are immune from meta-moderation, which will ensure the mod points flow in the future.
Republicans generally support the 2nd amendment
;)
True, but I haven't seen many Republicans pass legistlation that is really in the spirit of the second ammendment.
And was put into place (say goodbye to foreign FAL and AK kits) smack dab in the middle of the Republican's terms of office. And 18 U.S.C. 925(d)(3) still stands.
If this was so offensive to the politicans as they claimed, you'd think it would of have been repealed or at least weakened, but instead, it has gotten a little bit stronger.
But hey, as long as we stopped gay marriage...
Oregon doesn't have a handgun waiting period btw
Wow. You completely missed the point.
How hard is to prove that you really need a gun ? Lets see:
- "I'm a truck driver, I drive late at night at low traffic roads"
- "I'm a lawyer, judge etc"
- "I'm a 24h shop owner that stay late at night on my shop"
- "I'm a driver that transport valueable items, prone to be stolen"
Actually, in Canada (don't know where you are exactly), getting carry permits is a real pain in the ass and very few are given out. None of those above justifications would work (armoured truck driver will most likely work), and even though it is written in the law that a carry permit may be given to someone who has a violent ex spouse / stalker, not a single permit has been issued to someone who has filed with that justification.
Europe is much safer than the US and the gun laws are pretty strict.
I'm guessing that the time frame that you are looking at is... well... fairly recent.
It was a huge flop.
You're being generous.
I suggested that gun violence would. It's about the guns. We're talking about guns.
Indeed, and after we get rid of all the guns, we will all live on fluffy clouds made of marshmellows and drink free beer. Nobody will ever harm anyone else with anything like a knife, bat, 2x4, tire iron or a fist.
Clearly guns cause all of our problems.
(btw, check out machete crimes and the push for machete registration in Mass.)
Because when this happens (perhaps), those will be the only bullets you're legally allowed to buy?
.380, 500 rounds of .308, 500 rounds of 12 gauge and about 5000 rounds of .22. ;)
Realistically though, there is tons of ammo out there now that doesn't have this requirement - I personally have about 1500 rounds of 9mm, 450 rounds of
I realize that might be a bit odd, but it is cheaper to buy in bulk...
The cows have long since escaped because the barn door was open
Oh, and states such as CA and NJ have stated that police will be exempt from smart gun laws
That exemption was due to the police unions raising high hell. Police are, of course, better than us.
Hehe, in Poland, I saw a sign that translated to "My dog can make it to the front gate in 2 seconds, what about you?" My dog likes lasers so much that I'm pretty sure I don't need any ammo, just paint the bad guy with the laser and he pounces ;)
Add a gun or guns and the situation has the potential to end tragically for either party or by-standers.
.380s (you can conceal a .380 pretty much anywhere. My carry piece when I lived in the states
Because we all know, if there weren't any guns around, they would of have started a bonfire, brought out the smores and sang a acapella version of kumbaya. The fact is that the gun in that situation was there, and the police were not. It also doesn't matter if you're a 105 pound woman or a 350 pound quarterback, a gun is just as effective in your hands if you practice a bit and just as deadly for those on the other end of it. Yes, that cuts both ways, but you have the same thing with knives and bats (athough England is trying to ban knives too...)
And as for this myth of "adrenaline will cause you to shoot people" - that is bullshit and I speak from first hand experience. A drunken frat boy decided it would be a good idea to steal a toner cartridge for a Laserjet IIIp (retard...) while I was moving. He approached me as I was looking for something in the trunk and during our "talk", I slipped a magazine full of hydrashoks hollowpoint ammo into my 9mm and loaded a round. When it became clear that dumbass just wanted to steal something and run off, I just shrugged and pretty much let him do it.
I somehow managed to overcome the irresistable urge to empty my magazine into him and let him go as he and his dumbass friends sped off (and skidded around a corner and tore up the right side of his new suv, lol).
The police never showed up, by the way - in some places the local cops are useless.
A good chunk of UK cops carry concealed
And it was not uncommon in London to see snipers on the rooftops and police officers walking around with mp5's when I went about a month ago.
Oh, finally, it might not be the greatest idea to use the UK as an example, where you have gangs of thugs and idiots running around "happy slapping" people, carrying bats or whatever improvised weapons that are available to them while ordinary citizens are worried about a 5 year sentence for carrying a swiss army knife in their pocket.
To say nothing of workplace health and safety standards. I'll put money down that 25%+ of those employees will have some kind of cancer before they turn 50 and 40% will be dead before they turn 60. Some of the chemicals used are pretty nasty shit.
The "company store / housing" thing is also popular in China - the factory mandates that you live in their dorms and eat their food - even they are overpriced (hundreds of percent) and substandard. The article claims that the housing is "included" although you can take that a couple different ways.
We ended up going though SIX (yes "6") more boards before we found one that would actually work.
That's not really limited to ECS though - the rule for frys is that if you build a whole system, you're going back at least once to change a dead part. A good chunk of the shit on your shelf is defective and the return drones keep on tossing broken shit back on the shelf with those fucking stickers.
There is a reason people call the store "Fry'd"
BTW, "Great Quality" is an awesome name for quite possibly the worst quality products in computing history. Their CD-R's are especially great.
I don't know if teaching was your ultimate goal, but did you seriously expect that you would make a lot of money in education? Sure, if / when you get tenure, it isn't that bad, but adjunct and non-tenured professors have to put up with a lot of bullshit for little pay and no benefits (I'm not even going to mention k-12). As far as I know, this has been the case for the last 150+ years, so it can hardly be considered a surprise.
BTW, It seems that the majority of math teachers at the college / uni level are bitter that they spent so many years in school before they "discovered" their career options are basically limited to teaching for $40,000 a year.
people's computers performed faster than they did with the previous release.
MS will accomplish that feat shortly after they cure the common cold.
Microsoft employees own stock in the the companies who will see a dramatic increase of sales of new hardware or system components. So it's not really bloat, it's more a financial decision on the part of the employees. Or maybe the bloat is just a nice side effect, but the fact remains that a lot of microsoft employees are going to make a couple bucks off the release.
There really hasn't been a killer app that will force upgrades for everyone for quite a few years now - mainly because there was no need - computers worked perfectly (except for those that shipped with 128mb of ram from OEMs running XP) for virtually everyone out there.
. Sure, games are getting better and requiring more horsepower, but not everyone plays - and those who play can always turn the details down.
And along comes Vista, which is bloated enough to require computer upgrades for approximately 85%+ of the systems out there. Oh, and in a year or two, office won't install on xp anymore (just like office 97), nor will any of the games be backwards compatible. Sorry. Buy a copy of Vista, buy a new computer (probably from Dell or one of the bigger OEMs - MS has make it a royal PITA with for small system builders to add a "Vista Compatible" label to their PCs.
I'm not trying to be a MS hater, but with every news release, it is becoming easier and easier to be more and more cynical.
It really isn't insider trading either. A beautiful system.
Exactly, and the fact is that they have mounds of data from who knows how long ago.
If, in the future, mandatory firearm registration is introduced, this data will be used, but that doesn't seem to scare any of the apologists on the right.
BTW, in case you think you think that the two links at the bottom of the previous post were two isolated cases, they are both from the last week. Look back, you'll find more of these.
In Re Birch, 10 Cal.3d 314, 515 P.2d 12, 110 Cal.Rptr. 212 (1973), specifically
w w.appa-net.org/revisitingmegan.pdf+sex+offender+mo oning&hl=en&gl=ca&ct=clnk&cd=15&client=firefox-a
l ocalnews/103911.shtml
"While petitioner possibly might have suspected that a guilty plea could result in a short jail sentence, we cannot believe that he was aware that as a consequence of urinating in a parking lot at 1:30 in the morning he would be required to register as a sex offender. Certainly counsel would have advised him of this grave and direct consequence of his guilty plea; in the absence of counsel the responsibility for such advice rested with the court. Without this advice, we conclude that petitioner's waiver of counsel and plea of guilty cannot be regarded as having been knowingly and intelligently made."
Mooning (and a couple other oddities)
http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:eylies1q7nQJ:w
Specifically an 18-year-old
male, who engaged in a "senior prank" of "mooning" the school principal was
convicted of indecent exposure, had to register with the state for 25 years, and has
his name, address, and crime publicly posted
Took me about a minute using google to find those.
Statutory rape is a offence that requires registration, look around and you'll find tons of these case. And yes, if your're 18 and she's 17 and mommmy complains, that's statutory rape.
Actually, in michigan, even minors are put in the registry.
Sex in a public place - i.e. a couple having sex in the woods, ditto.
Homosexuals have been prosecuted in the past for sodomy, and although most of those convictions predate the registries, certain states still prosecute people for that offense. A completely consensual act (actually, blow jobs fall under sodomy in certain states too) between two adults can get you put on the registry.
I have not heard of a single case where the requirements to register, et al, were nullified when the legislature overturned the law (so, even though the activity is completely legal now, you're still considered a sex offender)
In some states, if you are urinating in public in a place where children might see you (i.e., bushes outside a school yard at night), you get the kiddie offender bonus (there isn't really a consistent naming scheme)
Now, the people put on the registries for stupid stuff like this aren't classified as violent offenders or anything (the levels / classes aren't standard either, an offense that will get you on the level one list in one state is public urination and in another state, level 1 will be a violent sexual predator), but everyone on the sex offender lists still have to deal with the registration bullshit for 25 years (if not forever, again, depends on state) - and also deal with the fairly abusive legislation that has been passed as PR stunts and parts of re-election campaigns for politicians.
i.e.
http://www.kfmb.com/stories/story.54227.html (this is clearly a stunt - I don't have all that much problem with the law if it applied to only violent sexual predaors, actually)
or this
http://www.forsythnews.com/news/stories/20060618/
In any other case, we'd argue against ex post facto punishments, but hey, if you can look tough on crime, you'll probably get re-elected.
Look, I really don't want to sound harsh, but you're an idiot if you're expecting a company to fix leaking caps in a computer that was built several years ago (when _everyone_ used the shitty chinese rip-off version of capacitor juice.)
I really don't think that Apple ever was any different. I can think of several situations where they have basically stepped back and said "fuckit, we're not fixing this, let the customers deal with it" (g3 ibook logic boards, mdd macs, crappy hinges on the iLamp mac, etc.
Of course, you can do much worse than buying apple - compare the problems that Apple had to the problems that Toshiba laptops were plagued with.
Speaking as someone who had an incident with a battery expoding / lighting on fire in a [nda] PDA, yeah, a lithium battery can do a lot of damage. I'm not exactly sure what the size of the Lion cell, but it was a lot smaller than a laptop battery and even inside the pda's case, flames leapt out the front panel buttons and lit the shirt I was wearing on fire.
Fun fun fun!
I don't use a laptop on my lap without a laptop cooling pad.
This even works if the houses were built after the bar was built.
Shooting ranges have also suffered from this "I'm a NIMBY who moved beside a shooting range and now can bitch and whine about how loud it is, so please oh please City Hall, close down the shooting range / nightclub / factory because it is annoying me"
I really don't get it either, but nimbys have succeeded in closing down things that annoy them, even if they were built long before the nimby moved into the neighborhood.
(nimby = not in my back yard")
Under the right facts, I bet the law woudl not even consider it stealing to receive an encrypted broadcast.
Well, you can legally receive the encrypted broadcast if you pay for it - or even if you don't.
The problem is the legislation that deals with what you do after you receive it. It is a great thing that we have lobbyists who get laws passed that specifically state that it is illegal to decrypt the received signal if you don't pay the sat. company. This is similar to the "can receive unencrypted cell phone broadcasts on your device, just can't listen / act on the information contained within those broadcasts" laws.
then it became a matter of trespassing.
Which he wasn't arrested for. Probably because telling someone to stop or leave isn't the same as banning them from your property (or banning them from your network).
There are a few simple steps that you have to follow in order to have the police arrest someone for trespassing and for that charge to be sucessfully prosecuted. It looks like these steps were not followed and the police pulled a charge out of their ass because they didn't want to have to come back a third time that day to arrest the guy on tresspass charges.
In Oregon, even if you're the same age, if her mommy or daddy complains - even if it was completely consensual, you will be charged with statutory rape. You will be sent to prison, and you will have to register as a sex offender. I know of a 18 year old who had sex with a girl less than a month before she turned 18 that served time in the pokey because mommy complained to the police. Charges were filed after she turned 18. What a fucking waste of money.
Of course, in Oregon, it appears to be perfectly fine to shine non-visible laser (say, a far IR one) at police officers (feel free to shine laser pointers on anybody but the police, btw). Yay for stupid laws.
163.709 Unlawful directing of light from a laser pointer. (1) A person commits the offense of unlawful directing of light from a laser pointer if the person knowingly directs light from a laser pointer at another person without the consent of the other person and the other person is:
(a) A peace officer as defined in ORS 161.015 who is acting in the course of official duty; or
(b) A uniformed private security professional as defined in ORS 181.870 who is on duty.
(2) The offense described in this section, unlawful directing of light from a laser pointer, is a Class A misdemeanor.
(3) As used in this section, "laser pointer" means a device that emits light amplified by the stimulated emission of radiation that is visible to the human eye. [1999 c.757 1; 2005 c.447 9]
Nope, you're likely to get cited for "blocking traffic" as soon as the owner give the local cops a couple dozen tickets though.