if this was happening in a significant number of cases, you'd have a very strong argument based on that reasoning to wanting to record everything so you can take people to justice.
however, unless there is a reason to make a recording of that conversation about my awesome business idea which will make billions, perhaps there should be a moral aspect which until now isn't taken into account and that until very recently people have never had to deal with having their "normal" conversations recorded, I get a little annoyed when people listen to what I'm saying when it's not even important!! so just imagine when I'm saying something I think is personal and private.
that said, I'm in the back of a taxi....so it's hardly a private space...but I mean, it's coming to the point where I can only really have a private conversation if I'm sitting in a darkened room, with the blinds shut, cause anything else is fair game.....what is the world coming to?
on the topic of groupthink? I happen to agree with groupthink more than disagree because we all think it and we all agree or discuss it, thats how it works, so groupthink might actually solve more problems than it creates.
I think a lot of these problems are the result of not having a groupthink, not having enough people can lead you to a narrow minded conclusion in the first place. so I'm not against groupthink. for it actually.
finally, if the law is starting to become disagreeable, then groupthink is the only solution to solving those problems, since we all have to abide by the law, we should all be responsible for being part of the process which creates it.
we need to start building less linux distributions and more ways to monitor those who monitor us, then expose them ruthlessly in the same way they ruthlessly treat us for breaking the rules.
What surprises me is why anybody needed to explain to them why this was a bad idea. Are they completely incapable of thinking these plans through before pushing ahead?
I'm going to assume that they, are exactly like me, intelligent, normal people with normal guidelines to run their lives and normal levels of intellect, why else would they be in the jobs they have? accidental luck?
So given that they are well adjusted, normal people, why would they they consider it normal to want to record every second of audio and video inside a taxi cab, when the number of incidents / taxi ride ratio is so low??
Considering I believe no normal person, with normal levels of intellect would believe it's a good idea to do such a thing, it beggers the question, was my analysis of these people correct in the first place.
a standard is what we make it, if we give a group the sole right to define a standard, we end up with the bullshit that is the W3C in the first place.
they're not going to rewrite their browser every few months?? they already are! every few months I get a new version, new tricks, new problems, new solutions. nothing will change.
the good developers will write code which can flex and adapt, the bad ones won't, I'll get all the work from the shitty programmers cause my work does adapt and I take those things into account, the dreamweaver developers won't, they'll suffer, thats fine with me, they do shitty work anyway.
the web is the mess it is today because of people's reluctance to fix things because it "will break the internet" well guess what, the internet is already broken....perhaps a release often methodology is what we need to fix it whilst targetting new browsers and things will get better.
slowing down and it'll just get worse, so I'm all for stepping on the accelerator a little bit, even if it causes a little "discomfort"
what a ridiculous thing to say, I'm an idiot because I have memory leaks?
surely the programmer is the idiot for causing the memory leaks but I suppose you could say that I'm the idiot for trusting the programmer to write his code correctly so it doesn't leak?
the user is not an idiot because the programmer made a mistake. only an freetard developer could blame the user for his own failings....
except in the real world, that isn't true, just in somebodies "benchmark" but I used firefox on a daily basis and I switched to chrome and my computer is faster, has free memory 90% of the time and doesn't slow my computer to a crawl, the only pain I've suffered so far is I miss firephp and I think firebug is better than chromes debugging interface.
but no, in the real world, firefox is not "as good or better" as it's much much worse...
this glyn moody isn't very intelligent is he......does he know anything on the subject matter, or is he just paid to act a clown in front of a highly technical audience as some kind of weird geek joke?
yes thats one solution, another would be client side encryption of all my data before it goes to the server, the server can be taken by the FBI if they want, they still need about a billion years to crack my code without obtaining my key, which is of course held on my mobile phone, so even harder to solve because not only do they have to arrive at my current location in order to demand my key, they have to find where the key is if I decide to not give it to them
of course this makes some things harder, but I think it's a solvable problem.
what else is there? act like drones? I suppose it's easy to say and hard to do, but I dont plan on changing my behaviour, but I do plan on making it harder for people to see my innocent or not-so-innocent online behaviour.
right now, I dont encrypt much, I dont hide much, I don't care much, nobody is really interested in me, I'm a nobody.
but if they push me, perhaps I'll try to encrypt, hide, protect and find ways that can't be broken, then their lives will become harder as they try harder and harder to pry into my private life. the free ride will be gone, now they'll have to work for it.
one day, somebody will arrive with a system which is practically impenetrable and they need to knock down your door to get the keys, then they'll be more screwed than I will, because they won't be able to freely monitor traffic and find terrorists, or find hackers or crackers, they'll have to work 10x as much to get 10% of what they previously had access to.
all because they pushed my buttons and got me onboard the encryption bandwagon, to which date I am not (yet) a member.
hehe, his complete lack of understanding the whole point was "GIIIRRRRLLLSSSS" just goes to show that he's perfectly suited to being on slashdot.....and you are not:)
which makes you wonder, if they can't build a simple webpage with even the simplest of functionality, like putting a link to the download of their own projects on the front page. what will their other projects be like?
now if only I could find a random pcie card to test out your theory!!
of course that would have to be before I started to realise that nobody gives a flying fuck and 99.999% of the time, you never have a random pcie card nor the interest to plug it into your computer.
you're so very very wrong, linux on the desktop is an awful time waster, technical ability isn't a criteria in being "able to use a mouse on a graphical screen" since windows 95 was able to do that with a better success rate than the linux desktop is able to, even being 15 years later.....
just because _you_ can do something, doesn't mean other people can do it just as fast, other people have to read, learn and be involved in how to configure x.org from 10 different tutorials, one of which partially works, but isn't the entire solution. thats a programmer, can you imagine a graphic designer who doesn't really know what most of this stuff means?
lets get the basics right, then we can figure out how to translate into french, german, etc. but lets have at least one version readable by a human and not a robot...
because for the most part, worrying about the desktop leads to you wasting time from your primary activity, developing, instead you end up fixing the graphics, installing nvidia drivers, message around with config files wondering why your x desktop is broken, can't play music, uninstall pulseaudio, etc, etc.
having a desktop which is out of the box preconfigured and running means you can do your job and not waste time on stuff you shouldn't normally care about, or should I dare to say it, bother thinking about.
lets face facts, yesterday, I was thinking, did the nvidia driver install or not? so where do I open to find such information? the 10,000 line x.org log file in/var/log or do I open a control panel and find it inside the monitor section? nope! cause it's not stated.
so it's 2012 and yet I have no fucking idea what graphics driver I am using yet windows 95 could tell me that, what is the colour depth of my screen? oh yes, but I can't find it in the monitor section, I need to open the nvidia setting graphics utility to find that, how can I turn off vsync? in the monitor section? wrong again, no I have to use some old utility that looks like it was build in the 90's by a programmer with autism.
fact is, linux is shit on the desktop and practically all of them are the same, they just try to mask it better than others, perhaps linux mint is the best desktop distro so I've heard, it's certainly better that debian, which rocket scientists have problems with.
let me iterate again, it's two thousand and fucking twelve and yet you bunch of clowns can't even get your shit together for long enough to write a fucking graphics/monitor dialog that might make me think you actually intentionally wrote a useful tool, as opposed to accidentally inventing regexp and thinking you're shit is done and time to go home.
pulseaudio? are you fucking serious?? I have two fucking speakers in my computer, if you can't get pulseaudio to work with hardware which has been around for the best part of a decade, you're a moron, you claim your software is technicall better than anything else, yet in practice it's shite and barely works even at the best of times, yesterday I found on some obscure forum that if I open the default configuration for pulse audio and change some enumeration value with an extra,0 or,1 or,2 depending on the enumeration index in my computer it'll play sound, HOORAY FUCKING HALLELOUGYAH! (or however you spell it, lets go grammer nazi's!!)
why you guys are all circle jerking each other over wobbly windows, or the latest opengl 3d desktop cube touch screen intuitive desktop interface of the future you're house is on fire, windows 95 beats your ass into the ground in terms of simplicity and basic tools that nobody has even had the balls to say "fuck open source, you do it my way of the highway" and actually make a system which works, is reliable and actually won't screw up the next time I hit the "install updates" button
can you imagine the shit microsoft would take if installing updates blue screened a bunch of computers, yet that shit happens all the fucking time thanks to the beauty of linux, where even simple things are made impossible. I did it the other day, I upgraded my desktop, when I rebooted, unknown boot device, AWESOME!!! THANKS GUYS!! please walk in front of a bus, remove yourself from the genepool cause I'll be fucked if I recommend any of your shit to anybody whilst you can't even tell me the graphics driver I am using whilst inside x.org and without typing in something that looks like my cat just jumped on the keyboard...
seriously, you want to know why? it's because you guys are a bunch of clowns, thats why....
"pressure" is different from "legally binding" I'm afraid, therefore what I said is still accurate, you are not obligated to do it. just if you wanna be a nice guy.
"but enough additional information to allow users to recreate binaries from the source"
Since when did you have to teach people how to use the source? your only requirement is to release the source and it's modifications, not provide teaching support for people as well.
you're on slashdot, at least use a minimum level of intelligence please....
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well, I'm a doctor and I can tell you it's perfectly normal adult interaction, but thats just my medical opinion.....
I liked your breakdown, it was very cohesive.
if this was happening in a significant number of cases, you'd have a very strong argument based on that reasoning to wanting to record everything so you can take people to justice.
however, unless there is a reason to make a recording of that conversation about my awesome business idea which will make billions, perhaps there should be a moral aspect which until now isn't taken into account and that until very recently people have never had to deal with having their "normal" conversations recorded, I get a little annoyed when people listen to what I'm saying when it's not even important!! so just imagine when I'm saying something I think is personal and private.
that said, I'm in the back of a taxi....so it's hardly a private space...but I mean, it's coming to the point where I can only really have a private conversation if I'm sitting in a darkened room, with the blinds shut, cause anything else is fair game.....what is the world coming to?
on the topic of groupthink? I happen to agree with groupthink more than disagree because we all think it and we all agree or discuss it, thats how it works, so groupthink might actually solve more problems than it creates.
I think a lot of these problems are the result of not having a groupthink, not having enough people can lead you to a narrow minded conclusion in the first place. so I'm not against groupthink. for it actually.
finally, if the law is starting to become disagreeable, then groupthink is the only solution to solving those problems, since we all have to abide by the law, we should all be responsible for being part of the process which creates it.
thats a good point, greed.
we need to start building less linux distributions and more ways to monitor those who monitor us, then expose them ruthlessly in the same way they ruthlessly treat us for breaking the rules.
I would put forward that if those things happen to intelligent people, then they are not necessarily intelligent.
What surprises me is why anybody needed to explain to them why this was a bad idea. Are they completely incapable of thinking these plans through before pushing ahead?
I'm going to assume that they, are exactly like me, intelligent, normal people with normal guidelines to run their lives and normal levels of intellect, why else would they be in the jobs they have? accidental luck?
So given that they are well adjusted, normal people, why would they they consider it normal to want to record every second of audio and video inside a taxi cab, when the number of incidents / taxi ride ratio is so low??
Considering I believe no normal person, with normal levels of intellect would believe it's a good idea to do such a thing, it beggers the question, was my analysis of these people correct in the first place.
a standard is what we make it, if we give a group the sole right to define a standard, we end up with the bullshit that is the W3C in the first place.
they're not going to rewrite their browser every few months?? they already are! every few months I get a new version, new tricks, new problems, new solutions. nothing will change.
the good developers will write code which can flex and adapt, the bad ones won't, I'll get all the work from the shitty programmers cause my work does adapt and I take those things into account, the dreamweaver developers won't, they'll suffer, thats fine with me, they do shitty work anyway.
the web is the mess it is today because of people's reluctance to fix things because it "will break the internet" well guess what, the internet is already broken....perhaps a release often methodology is what we need to fix it whilst targetting new browsers and things will get better.
slowing down and it'll just get worse, so I'm all for stepping on the accelerator a little bit, even if it causes a little "discomfort"
what a ridiculous thing to say, I'm an idiot because I have memory leaks?
surely the programmer is the idiot for causing the memory leaks but I suppose you could say that I'm the idiot for trusting the programmer to write his code correctly so it doesn't leak?
the user is not an idiot because the programmer made a mistake. only an freetard developer could blame the user for his own failings....
except in the real world, that isn't true, just in somebodies "benchmark" but I used firefox on a daily basis and I switched to chrome and my computer is faster, has free memory 90% of the time and doesn't slow my computer to a crawl, the only pain I've suffered so far is I miss firephp and I think firebug is better than chromes debugging interface.
but no, in the real world, firefox is not "as good or better" as it's much much worse...
because none of us want a website like that jacob nielson, people actually want pretty things and unfortunately it costs time, money and bandwidth....
this glyn moody isn't very intelligent is he......does he know anything on the subject matter, or is he just paid to act a clown in front of a highly technical audience as some kind of weird geek joke?
however, in the situation where I refuse to give my keys, or the location of them away, I'm sure that this rule would apply: http://xkcd.com/538/
yes thats one solution, another would be client side encryption of all my data before it goes to the server, the server can be taken by the FBI if they want, they still need about a billion years to crack my code without obtaining my key, which is of course held on my mobile phone, so even harder to solve because not only do they have to arrive at my current location in order to demand my key, they have to find where the key is if I decide to not give it to them
of course this makes some things harder, but I think it's a solvable problem.
what else is there? act like drones? I suppose it's easy to say and hard to do, but I dont plan on changing my behaviour, but I do plan on making it harder for people to see my innocent or not-so-innocent online behaviour.
right now, I dont encrypt much, I dont hide much, I don't care much, nobody is really interested in me, I'm a nobody.
but if they push me, perhaps I'll try to encrypt, hide, protect and find ways that can't be broken, then their lives will become harder as they try harder and harder to pry into my private life. the free ride will be gone, now they'll have to work for it.
one day, somebody will arrive with a system which is practically impenetrable and they need to knock down your door to get the keys, then they'll be more screwed than I will, because they won't be able to freely monitor traffic and find terrorists, or find hackers or crackers, they'll have to work 10x as much to get 10% of what they previously had access to.
all because they pushed my buttons and got me onboard the encryption bandwagon, to which date I am not (yet) a member.
hehe, his complete lack of understanding the whole point was "GIIIRRRRLLLSSSS" just goes to show that he's perfectly suited to being on slashdot.....and you are not :)
which makes you wonder, if they can't build a simple webpage with even the simplest of functionality, like putting a link to the download of their own projects on the front page. what will their other projects be like?
I *hope* better cause it can't get much worse....
now if only I could find a random pcie card to test out your theory!!
of course that would have to be before I started to realise that nobody gives a flying fuck and 99.999% of the time, you never have a random pcie card nor the interest to plug it into your computer.
you're so very very wrong, linux on the desktop is an awful time waster, technical ability isn't a criteria in being "able to use a mouse on a graphical screen" since windows 95 was able to do that with a better success rate than the linux desktop is able to, even being 15 years later.....
just because _you_ can do something, doesn't mean other people can do it just as fast, other people have to read, learn and be involved in how to configure x.org from 10 different tutorials, one of which partially works, but isn't the entire solution. thats a programmer, can you imagine a graphic designer who doesn't really know what most of this stuff means?
lets get the basics right, then we can figure out how to translate into french, german, etc. but lets have at least one version readable by a human and not a robot...
because for the most part, worrying about the desktop leads to you wasting time from your primary activity, developing, instead you end up fixing the graphics, installing nvidia drivers, message around with config files wondering why your x desktop is broken, can't play music, uninstall pulseaudio, etc, etc.
having a desktop which is out of the box preconfigured and running means you can do your job and not waste time on stuff you shouldn't normally care about, or should I dare to say it, bother thinking about.
yeah basically you're spot on the money, although in my post I used a lot more swearing...
congratulations, you win the prize for the most moronic thing I heard all day..
lets face facts, yesterday, I was thinking, did the nvidia driver install or not? so where do I open to find such information? the 10,000 line x.org log file in /var/log or do I open a control panel and find it inside the monitor section? nope! cause it's not stated.
so it's 2012 and yet I have no fucking idea what graphics driver I am using yet windows 95 could tell me that, what is the colour depth of my screen? oh yes, but I can't find it in the monitor section, I need to open the nvidia setting graphics utility to find that, how can I turn off vsync? in the monitor section? wrong again, no I have to use some old utility that looks like it was build in the 90's by a programmer with autism.
fact is, linux is shit on the desktop and practically all of them are the same, they just try to mask it better than others, perhaps linux mint is the best desktop distro so I've heard, it's certainly better that debian, which rocket scientists have problems with.
let me iterate again, it's two thousand and fucking twelve and yet you bunch of clowns can't even get your shit together for long enough to write a fucking graphics/monitor dialog that might make me think you actually intentionally wrote a useful tool, as opposed to accidentally inventing regexp and thinking you're shit is done and time to go home.
pulseaudio? are you fucking serious?? I have two fucking speakers in my computer, if you can't get pulseaudio to work with hardware which has been around for the best part of a decade, you're a moron, you claim your software is technicall better than anything else, yet in practice it's shite and barely works even at the best of times, yesterday I found on some obscure forum that if I open the default configuration for pulse audio and change some enumeration value with an extra ,0 or ,1 or ,2 depending on the enumeration index in my computer it'll play sound, HOORAY FUCKING HALLELOUGYAH! (or however you spell it, lets go grammer nazi's!!)
why you guys are all circle jerking each other over wobbly windows, or the latest opengl 3d desktop cube touch screen intuitive desktop interface of the future you're house is on fire, windows 95 beats your ass into the ground in terms of simplicity and basic tools that nobody has even had the balls to say "fuck open source, you do it my way of the highway" and actually make a system which works, is reliable and actually won't screw up the next time I hit the "install updates" button
can you imagine the shit microsoft would take if installing updates blue screened a bunch of computers, yet that shit happens all the fucking time thanks to the beauty of linux, where even simple things are made impossible. I did it the other day, I upgraded my desktop, when I rebooted, unknown boot device, AWESOME!!! THANKS GUYS!! please walk in front of a bus, remove yourself from the genepool cause I'll be fucked if I recommend any of your shit to anybody whilst you can't even tell me the graphics driver I am using whilst inside x.org and without typing in something that looks like my cat just jumped on the keyboard...
seriously, you want to know why? it's because you guys are a bunch of clowns, thats why....
"pressure" is different from "legally binding" I'm afraid, therefore what I said is still accurate, you are not obligated to do it. just if you wanna be a nice guy.
why do people always have to bring politics into things??
I call bullshit on the statement:
"but enough additional information to allow users to recreate binaries from the source"
Since when did you have to teach people how to use the source? your only requirement is to release the source and it's modifications, not provide teaching support for people as well.
you're on slashdot, at least use a minimum level of intelligence please....