Re: JOKE - YOUR ATTENTION PLEASE. CEASE AND DESIST
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FreeBSD 5.1 Released
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I know this was a joke, but some people may think this is true. FreeBSD (and Net and OpenBSD) are indemnified against UNIX claims from SCO or anyone else. They've already gone through their hell (daemon mascot pun intended) and came out legally unscathed, though pushed back in mindshare that they still haven't recovered from.
D. Boies Dewey, Cheatham, and Howe No Mr. Howard, Mr. Fine, Mr. Howard?
Yes, I remember (I try to blot out the memory but it keeps COMING BACK!!) But I still think the MC. Hammer cartoon was worse. Anyone remember Mr. T's show?
How can you steal something that's given away for free?
BSD was a fork of UNIX with the (TM). The BSD guys gave us insignificant things like Virtual Memory and vi. It's weird to think AT&T sued BSD when so much of UNIX heritage was invented in Bezerkely. "Hey, you there, stop using that thing you invented, cause you're giving it away for free and not allowing us to make money off your work."
If anyone remembers the original ATT vs. BSD suit will remember the way that UCB/BSD got off was that UNIX with the (TM) had some BSD code that wasn't properly copyright attributed. Then Novell came in, bought up the UNIX mess and dropped the suit. For folks that bang on Novell, this would be the second time they came in as a white knight to help a freeware version of UNIX escape the evil clutches of lawsuits.
The re-marriage of the BSD code came in SVR4, which brought in a bunch of code and BSD compatible utilities./usr/ucb anyone?
To be honest, I'm not sure if it's Linux people, nor someone insecure. Just some fuckwit with nothing better to do with his life. Kind of sad that with all the things open to people in this world, they get their jollies off posting the same lame jokes over and over. "Heh, cool, I have an AC posting bot, I trash BSD on slashdot, heh heh, cool Beavis".
That was his point, the reviewer stated that if you use Linux you're already using this. He was pointing out that fairly narrow view, there's more out there than just Linux.
Now where am I going to find 35 year old computer experts that live with their parents?
What, Slashdot is coming out with a personals site now?
Re:Cringley, Linus, and Christoph Hellwig
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Today's SCO News
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I never put those together until Cringely did, and ya know, Cringley could be on to something here.
I think Cringely is bypassing the obvious. The MS deal works to both of their advantages.
SCO gets some cash, maybe can help fund the lawsuit, but more importantly gains some legitimacy in the FUD campaign. "Hmm, if MS with it's army of lawyers that wiggled away from the US gov has to pay, maybe this lawsuit has legs...."
MS pays a little cash (a pittance to them really) but aids a case that is firing broadsides into both Linux (its main competitor in OSes) and IBM, longtime foe. It's a proxy fight, so MS hand's stay "clean" no matter what the outcome.
As far as licensing goes, I'd like to see what the rules were on the original POSIX compatible subsystem that was in NT 3.1 but has fallen into disrepair. If MS wanted to UNIXify themselves, they could have done it differently and easier a long time ago.
Re:Cringley, Linus, and Christoph Hellwig
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Today's SCO News
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Originally NT was a microkernel design, with character based OS/2 (contractual obligations) and POSIX (needed POSIX compliance for some gov. contracts) subsystems. Ironically, NT was the first POSIX certified system. All of the UNIX guys originally kinda scoffed at gettign certified (well, we *are* UNIX and now you want us to get certified that we are somethng we define?). Eventually they got caught up in requirements and such and all got certified (/usr/xpg4/bin anyone?).
Since then, MS has gone farther and farther away from the microkernel idea, adding more and more things into the kernel. I'm not sure if this is possible now, though Cygwin runs on top of it pretty well (though slowly).
Re:Very informative article, glad to have read it
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Today's SCO News
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"Don't you have a tattoo that says 'Die Bart Die!'" "yes, but it really says "The Bart, The!'"
Wasn't OpenUNIX 8 (the rename of UnixWare 7, A.K.A. SVR5 UNIX) supposed to meld a lot of Linux and UNIX things. I don't think they violated any copyrights but it does show that SCO/Caldera was deep in the Linux world for a long time. How they just recently came up with this realization is still a mystery.
I think Bush will lobby for calling it the Security Engineering Strategery Team, you know, kinda a payment for defanging the prosecution in the Antitrust Trial.
There are others who have the code. Since the case is that people are copying code into Linux, they must be copying it from code thay have on hand, and be able to do an independent comparison, probably under supervision of a judge.
This is the thing that bugs me. Can they say "wow, our kernel has a process list, and there's does too" and an algorithm that iterates over this structure looks the same in both kernels looks the same because there's really only a couple ways to interate ver a structure. It's almost guilty until proven innocent: if its similar, it must be copied code because no one would use 'i' for an iterator ina for(;;) loop.
why (from a marketing standpoint) is Linux winning so much mind share compared to BSD?
1) BSD had a lawsuit right when it had released a complete product. it was right about this time that Linux was created, in fact in the great flame war with Tannenbaum he talked about that he created Linux because Minix wasn't good for him, and BSD (I think at that time, Net/386) had the clouds over it. A lot of people soured on BSD because of that, not for technical reasons. It will be interesting to see what SCO's suit does to raise *BSD awareness and interest.
2) Market share != quality, or would you say Microsoft is better than Linux because more people run it? There are external factors in any decision.
3) The biggest issue, what the hell is this Market share thing people talk about? OSes are NOT a zero sum game, especially when it comes to zero cost ones. Enough with the "My peepee is bigger than your peepee becaue I use Linux and not BSD" and do what you want. Both are zero cost, and are libre (depending on your definition of that) and both are of high quality. Get your work done and stop making yourself feel good about yourself by stating that "my high quality free X86 UNIX is better than yours".
I hate the "information wants to be free" line. Information doesn't want anything. It doesn't want to be free anymore than my pencil wants to be free. Both are human constructs, and what happens to them are pretty much determined by humans, not their internal nature.
Information: 1) Takes effort and resources to produce. This in general makes people want compensation. 2) Information is power. People in general do not want to give up power, at least not unless there is way they are enriched. Here I mean enriched is in the broadest sense, there are many forms of compensation, including just goodwill.
I'm not saying that information should be help by people, I'm just saying that if it's your goal to have information free, be prepared to go against a lot of human nature. Whether that human nature is innate or socialized is another question, one could argue that enrichment is human nature, just the forms are determined by socialization (say some folks prefer money, other prefer the goodwill).
Re:Intel C++ Compiler 7.1 Rules
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GCC 3.3 Released
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How about the object code? Can its object code be linked to code compiled by gcc, or is using this an all-or-nothing proposition?
Code is C object compatible, not (yet) C++ object compatible (both are tracking the STD C++ ABI, not close enough for production use).
From the bounce page in your homepage URL: Referrals directly from/. are disallowed for some reason.
Well, for an obvious reason. A bunch of slashdot reader clicking on Bugzilla URLs brings Bugzilla to it's knees. Remember: 1) It's database driven. 2) it's a development tool, and having it unusable during a slashdot storm really doesn't help the programmers much.
Slashdot Mirror
I know this was a joke, but some people may think this is true. FreeBSD (and Net and OpenBSD) are indemnified against UNIX claims from SCO or anyone else. They've already gone through their hell (daemon mascot pun intended) and came out legally unscathed, though pushed back in mindshare that they still haven't recovered from.
D. Boies
Dewey, Cheatham, and Howe
No Mr. Howard, Mr. Fine, Mr. Howard?
Yes, I remember (I try to blot out the memory but it keeps COMING BACK!!) But I still think the MC. Hammer cartoon was worse. Anyone remember Mr. T's show?
(quite possibly orignally stolen from BSD)
/usr/ucb anyone?
How can you steal something that's given away for free?
BSD was a fork of UNIX with the (TM). The BSD guys gave us insignificant things like Virtual Memory and vi. It's weird to think AT&T sued BSD when so much of UNIX heritage was invented in Bezerkely. "Hey, you there, stop using that thing you invented, cause you're giving it away for free and not allowing us to make money off your work."
If anyone remembers the original ATT vs. BSD suit will remember the way that UCB/BSD got off was that UNIX with the (TM) had some BSD code that wasn't properly copyright attributed. Then Novell came in, bought up the UNIX mess and dropped the suit. For folks that bang on Novell, this would be the second time they came in as a white knight to help a freeware version of UNIX escape the evil clutches of lawsuits.
The re-marriage of the BSD code came in SVR4, which brought in a bunch of code and BSD compatible utilities.
The new groups is going to be called PointyHairedJBoss? Is Scott Adams gonna sue?
Marc Fleury == Theo De Raadt? Just in this case people bolt from OpenBSD to make NetBSD?
To be honest, I'm not sure if it's Linux people, nor someone insecure. Just some fuckwit with nothing better to do with his life. Kind of sad that with all the things open to people in this world, they get their jollies off posting the same lame jokes over and over. "Heh, cool, I have an AC posting bot, I trash BSD on slashdot, heh heh, cool Beavis".
Mod this retard down, OSX isn't linux.
That was his point, the reviewer stated that if you use Linux you're already using this. He was pointing out that fairly narrow view, there's more out there than just Linux.
Now where am I going to find 35 year old computer experts that live with their parents?
What, Slashdot is coming out with a personals site now?
I never put those together until Cringely did, and ya know, Cringley could be on to something here.
I think Cringely is bypassing the obvious. The MS deal works to both of their advantages.
SCO gets some cash, maybe can help fund the lawsuit, but more importantly gains some legitimacy in the FUD campaign. "Hmm, if MS with it's army of lawyers that wiggled away from the US gov has to pay, maybe this lawsuit has legs...."
MS pays a little cash (a pittance to them really) but aids a case that is firing broadsides into both Linux (its main competitor in OSes) and IBM, longtime foe. It's a proxy fight, so MS hand's stay "clean" no matter what the outcome.
As far as licensing goes, I'd like to see what the rules were on the original POSIX compatible subsystem that was in NT 3.1 but has fallen into disrepair. If MS wanted to UNIXify themselves, they could have done it differently and easier a long time ago.
Originally NT was a microkernel design, with character based OS/2 (contractual obligations) and POSIX (needed POSIX compliance for some gov. contracts) subsystems. Ironically, NT was the first POSIX certified system. All of the UNIX guys originally kinda scoffed at gettign certified (well, we *are* UNIX and now you want us to get certified that we are somethng we define?). Eventually they got caught up in requirements and such and all got certified (/usr/xpg4/bin anyone?).
Since then, MS has gone farther and farther away from the microkernel idea, adding more and more things into the kernel. I'm not sure if this is possible now, though Cygwin runs on top of it pretty well (though slowly).
"Don't you have a tattoo that says 'Die Bart Die!'"
"yes, but it really says "The Bart, The!'"
Sideshow Bob.
Isn't this the Chinese torture "death from a thousand cuts"? If we try this, are we going to get sued by the Chinese for IP violations?
Bastard, you posted it just before I did.. curses... =)
Wasn't OpenUNIX 8 (the rename of UnixWare 7, A.K.A. SVR5 UNIX) supposed to meld a lot of Linux and UNIX things. I don't think they violated any copyrights but it does show that SCO/Caldera was deep in the Linux world for a long time. How they just recently came up with this realization is still a mystery.
On a lighter note, someone has explained the lawsuit in terms we can all understand. Can you just see RMS in a Dodge Charger with Dixie playing on the horn?
Security Engineering Strategy Team
I think Bush will lobby for calling it the Security Engineering Strategery Team, you know, kinda a payment for defanging the prosecution in the Antitrust Trial.
There are others who have the code. Since the case is that people are copying code into Linux, they must be copying it from code thay have on hand, and be able to do an independent comparison, probably under supervision of a judge.
This is the thing that bugs me. Can they say "wow, our kernel has a process list, and there's does too" and an algorithm that iterates over this structure looks the same in both kernels looks the same because there's really only a couple ways to interate ver a structure. It's almost guilty until proven innocent: if its similar, it must be copied code because no one would use 'i' for an iterator ina for(;;) loop.
If they're doing that, they finally need Utah to give up the name Jazz and put it back in New Orleans where it belongs.
Jumbo Shrimp, Millitary Intelligence, Utah Jazz...
why (from a marketing standpoint) is Linux winning so much mind share compared to BSD?
1) BSD had a lawsuit right when it had released a complete product. it was right about this time that Linux was created, in fact in the great flame war with Tannenbaum he talked about that he created Linux because Minix wasn't good for him, and BSD (I think at that time, Net/386) had the clouds over it. A lot of people soured on BSD because of that, not for technical reasons. It will be interesting to see what SCO's suit does to raise *BSD awareness and interest.
2) Market share != quality, or would you say Microsoft is better than Linux because more people run it? There are external factors in any decision.
3) The biggest issue, what the hell is this Market share thing people talk about? OSes are NOT a zero sum game, especially when it comes to zero cost ones. Enough with the "My peepee is bigger than your peepee becaue I use Linux and not BSD" and do what you want. Both are zero cost, and are libre (depending on your definition of that) and both are of high quality. Get your work done and stop making yourself feel good about yourself by stating that "my high quality free X86 UNIX is better than yours".
You're running ghostscript as your kernel??? (Sick, sick people... ::shakes head::)
Well there is GNU/emacs....
hows that joke go?
Emacs makes a great OS, i just wish they'd write a decent text editor for it.
Information does want to be free.
I hate the "information wants to be free" line. Information doesn't want anything. It doesn't want to be free anymore than my pencil wants to be free. Both are human constructs, and what happens to them are pretty much determined by humans, not their internal nature.
Information:
1) Takes effort and resources to produce. This in general makes people want compensation.
2) Information is power. People in general do not want to give up power, at least not unless there is way they are enriched. Here I mean enriched is in the broadest sense, there are many forms of compensation, including just goodwill.
I'm not saying that information should be help by people, I'm just saying that if it's your goal to have information free, be prepared to go against a lot of human nature. Whether that human nature is innate or socialized is another question, one could argue that enrichment is human nature, just the forms are determined by socialization (say some folks prefer money, other prefer the goodwill).
How about the object code? Can its object code be linked to code compiled by gcc, or is using this an all-or-nothing proposition?
Code is C object compatible, not (yet) C++ object compatible (both are tracking the STD C++ ABI, not close enough for production use).
From the bounce page in your homepage URL: /. are disallowed for some reason.
Referrals directly from
Well, for an obvious reason. A bunch of slashdot reader clicking on Bugzilla URLs brings Bugzilla to it's knees. Remember: 1) It's database driven. 2) it's a development tool, and having it unusable during a slashdot storm really doesn't help the programmers much.
One of my clients got offended when I installed an OS whose logo was a Daemon.
So FreeBSD and Texas STILL don't mix?
1) The daemon logo doesn't appear anywhere in a freebsd system by default. Now i trick out BSD boxes with the Daemon but that's optional.
The only place I even see it in a default install is in the console screen saver, and you have to ask for it. Maybe she saw the stickers?