Ubuntu is building their own system for doing it, instead of using APT, which gets them 90% of the way there. Most likely, it will be poorly done, which is the common fate of those who are too lazy to understand existing systems.
So you're saying Colin Watson is too lazy to understand existing systems? You've never actually looked at commits for APT have you.
Yeah! It should all be free but supported by ads, but i'm smart so i'll show those greedy corporations that they can't advertise to me by using adblock! No way i'm using 0.00000001 cents worth of my internet quota to download an ad to help pay for the content that i'm getting, all content should be free because information wants to be free!
Windows 8 already has one, it's just that nobody seems to know about it. All you do is move the desktop card to the top left hand side of Metro. Whichever card is in that position will be launched after booting.
Oh cool, i certainly didn't know about that. I'll have to give it a try, thanks for the tip.
I'm not, people didn't dump laptops in favor of smartphones, they use them both, just go to any conference and you'll see most people take laptops in addition to whatever smartphone or tablet they use.
All those people that you claimed replaced their smartphones with tablets when they go to conferences, used to bring laptops before smartphones. Weren't you paying attention?
I didn't claim anybody replaced their smartphones with tablets, maybe you need to actually read before you so hastily hit that reply button. Why would you replace a smartphone with a tablet? Who carries a tablet instead of a smartphone?
That means that at least some businesses did dump laptops in favor of smartphones for at least some functions.
They didn't dump laptops, they added smartphones for functions where that was more convenient.
I know you are trying to be all smarty-pants with your straw-man argument pointing out how tablets are not going to replace laptops completely, in every facet of business--but nobody is claiming that.
There is no strawman argument here, so obviously you're either not reading or you don't know what a strawman is. I didn't point out that tablets are not going to replace laptops completely (so i'm assuming that it's that you're not reading), in fact i doubt anybody would need to point that out.
What some of us are saying is that, there are some functions for which laptops and desktop computers used to be regarded as the most appropriate tool, and now tablets are taking their place.
Thanks captain obvious, you do really have a reading comprehension problem because i never refuted that, feel free to point out where you think I did though (hint, you won't find it because it isn't there).
Hopefully they'll have a 'boot to desktop' option, that would make it more like OSX's use of tablet interface in the desktop. I personally never use it as i use spotlight to launch everything, and it's more of a launcher than an application platform anyway as opposed to Metro, but it's there and it's only optional.
So just use CS6 or migrate to Paintshop Pro, Painter, GIMP, Aperture, Paint.NET, Pixelmator, Sumopaint or a combination of them if one doesn't suit your needs alone.
Once Adobe stand alone versions become obsolete and hard to find, you can bet that you will be held hostage to pay whatever they ask in perpetuity.
They did an update for CS2 (yes CS2, which is nearly a decade old!) just recently to allow users to download a copy that doesn't require activation servers because they are turning them off for CS2. So in 8-10 years from now when CS6 is that age even if at that point they decided to completely stop supporting licensed users of it - which they still haven't done for CS2 - you think GIMP, Paintshop Pro, Painter, Paint.NET, Pixelmator, Aperture, etc... won't be viable alternative for you? You're somehow 'held hostage' simply because you want Photoshop but can't get it on your terms? Why aren't you 'held hostage' now?
Each licence is probably still just a small dent in your profits, but if you're throwing away money by the thousands each year, that adds up pretty fast for a small business.
But you're already doing that buying the current versions, that doesn't change.
But it's not $20/month for Photoshop, it's almost £50/month (about US$75) for the suite
Why are you saying that? It's $10 a month for Photoshop (and other individual programs) or around £50 a month for the suite, you don't have to buy the suite.
True, but it takes disruptive features that directly benefit users for that to happen, I don't see that with Firefox OS or Windows Phone or webOS or Tizen or any of those other operating systems.
Soon it will be Webkit and Blink, of course you can have Gecko on Android devices as well. Tools like asm.js, mandreel and emscripten are equally valuable across existing platforms as they will be on Firefox OS. So that's all well and good and it's a neat idea but the question remains: what is the benefit (to the user) of Firefox OS over Android (or anything else)? Why will it be any different to webOS?
android is riddled with closed binaries for drivers and shell environments. the shells are one thing as they can be replaced, but the drivers truly hamper maintenance and development on hardware.
And why does Firefox OS use the Android kernel? For compatibility with those same closed drivers! FFOS is just as riddled with closed source binaries and you won't prevent OEMs from differentiating by applying closed-source shells just like they do with Android.
So why would anybody use Firefox OS? We've been down the path of free, open source, html5 app based operating system before and as you said nobody uses it.
That's a great argument for javascript and webgl - which we already have on Android and iOS - but still doesn't suggest why Firefox OS is a good idea for anybody.
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Why not extend APT? Why rewrite it?
I don't have the answer for that, but it's clearly not because they are too lazy to understand it.
I don't see how they could make any significant improvements over apt, but it doesn't surprise me from this group of hipsters.
Right because Colin Watson never made any improvements to apt.
Stop pissing in the pool Ubuntu.
What is with this attitude of 'you're not allowed to create different things and disrupt the status quo'? Who cares if the build it?
Isn't the whole point of open source to take good ideas and merge them together?
Because not all 'good ideas' are universally and objectively 'good' and those that are not necessarily compatible with eachother.
Ubuntu is building their own system for doing it, instead of using APT, which gets them 90% of the way there. Most likely, it will be poorly done, which is the common fate of those who are too lazy to understand existing systems.
So you're saying Colin Watson is too lazy to understand existing systems? You've never actually looked at commits for APT have you.
and Windows 8 looks like a shit sandwich that I do not want to eat
as opposed to all the shit sandwiches you do want to eat.
Yeah nothing that's popular is good, everything mainstream sucks, the only good things are the things that are unpopular and not mainstream.
Yeah! It should all be free but supported by ads, but i'm smart so i'll show those greedy corporations that they can't advertise to me by using adblock! No way i'm using 0.00000001 cents worth of my internet quota to download an ad to help pay for the content that i'm getting, all content should be free because information wants to be free!
Windows 8 already has one, it's just that nobody seems to know about it. All you do is move the desktop card to the top left hand side of Metro. Whichever card is in that position will be launched after booting.
Oh cool, i certainly didn't know about that. I'll have to give it a try, thanks for the tip.
Well, you can't switch arguments mid-way.
I'm not, people didn't dump laptops in favor of smartphones, they use them both, just go to any conference and you'll see most people take laptops in addition to whatever smartphone or tablet they use.
All those people that you claimed replaced their smartphones with tablets when they go to conferences, used to bring laptops before smartphones. Weren't you paying attention?
I didn't claim anybody replaced their smartphones with tablets, maybe you need to actually read before you so hastily hit that reply button. Why would you replace a smartphone with a tablet? Who carries a tablet instead of a smartphone?
That means that at least some businesses did dump laptops in favor of smartphones for at least some functions.
They didn't dump laptops, they added smartphones for functions where that was more convenient.
I know you are trying to be all smarty-pants with your straw-man argument pointing out how tablets are not going to replace laptops completely, in every facet of business--but nobody is claiming that.
There is no strawman argument here, so obviously you're either not reading or you don't know what a strawman is. I didn't point out that tablets are not going to replace laptops completely (so i'm assuming that it's that you're not reading), in fact i doubt anybody would need to point that out.
What some of us are saying is that, there are some functions for which laptops and desktop computers used to be regarded as the most appropriate tool, and now tablets are taking their place.
Thanks captain obvious, you do really have a reading comprehension problem because i never refuted that, feel free to point out where you think I did though (hint, you won't find it because it isn't there).
Hopefully they'll have a 'boot to desktop' option, that would make it more like OSX's use of tablet interface in the desktop. I personally never use it as i use spotlight to launch everything, and it's more of a launcher than an application platform anyway as opposed to Metro, but it's there and it's only optional.
You mean, the things they used to do on a smartphone that they previously used to do on a Laptop?
No, because businesses didn't dump laptops in favor of smartphones.
Do you see how this is going?
how this is going? I don't know what you mean.
So just use CS6 or migrate to Paintshop Pro, Painter, GIMP, Aperture, Paint.NET, Pixelmator, Sumopaint or a combination of them if one doesn't suit your needs alone.
Once Adobe stand alone versions become obsolete and hard to find, you can bet that you will be held hostage to pay whatever they ask in perpetuity.
They did an update for CS2 (yes CS2, which is nearly a decade old!) just recently to allow users to download a copy that doesn't require activation servers because they are turning them off for CS2. So in 8-10 years from now when CS6 is that age even if at that point they decided to completely stop supporting licensed users of it - which they still haven't done for CS2 - you think GIMP, Paintshop Pro, Painter, Paint.NET, Pixelmator, Aperture, etc... won't be viable alternative for you? You're somehow 'held hostage' simply because you want Photoshop but can't get it on your terms? Why aren't you 'held hostage' now?
Each licence is probably still just a small dent in your profits, but if you're throwing away money by the thousands each year, that adds up pretty fast for a small business.
But you're already doing that buying the current versions, that doesn't change.
So everybody should install AdBlock to stop the site's revenue stream and then complain when they replace ads with a paywall?
There won't be a $499 student version.
Student and Teacher Edition Annual plan for US $19.99 per month.
http://www.adobe.com/products/creativecloud.edu.html
So that works out to about $480 for 2 years.
But it's not $20/month for Photoshop, it's almost £50/month (about US$75) for the suite
Why are you saying that? It's $10 a month for Photoshop (and other individual programs) or around £50 a month for the suite, you don't have to buy the suite.
And yet you go to any business conference nowadays, and the place is littered with iPads and other tablets.
To do all the things that they would normally do on their smartphones just on a bigger screen.
The browser has a consistant security footprint that I trust a lot more than I trust new applications.
What do you mean by a 'consistent security footprint'?
Firefox Mobile
Times change.
True, but it takes disruptive features that directly benefit users for that to happen, I don't see that with Firefox OS or Windows Phone or webOS or Tizen or any of those other operating systems.
Webkit has a monopoly on mobile
Soon it will be Webkit and Blink, of course you can have Gecko on Android devices as well. Tools like asm.js, mandreel and emscripten are equally valuable across existing platforms as they will be on Firefox OS. So that's all well and good and it's a neat idea but the question remains: what is the benefit (to the user) of Firefox OS over Android (or anything else)? Why will it be any different to webOS?
android is riddled with closed binaries for drivers and shell environments. the shells are one thing as they can be replaced, but the drivers truly hamper maintenance and development on hardware.
And why does Firefox OS use the Android kernel? For compatibility with those same closed drivers! FFOS is just as riddled with closed source binaries and you won't prevent OEMs from differentiating by applying closed-source shells just like they do with Android.
Nobody uses WebOS
So why would anybody use Firefox OS? We've been down the path of free, open source, html5 app based operating system before and as you said nobody uses it.
It is about targeting the low end, but then again don't underestimate what you can do with emscripten and asm.js.
That's a great argument for javascript and webgl - which we already have on Android and iOS - but still doesn't suggest why Firefox OS is a good idea for anybody.