Look at the incompatibilities introduced by their past technologies: C# (copycat from Java) and simply calling it C#
You might as well whinge that Java is an incompatible copycat of Delphi, C# was never meant to be compatible with Java in any way, or do you not have any understanding of what C# is? The lack of cross-platform is the killer for C# (yes there is Mono but it's never up to the same version as the MS CLR).
Web Form (.NET 2.0)
What are you suggesting it was supposed to be compatible with?
Active Directory (vs LDAP).
Again, Active Directory and LDAP were never meant to be compatible.
If you want to jump on the anti-microsoft bandwagon at least try and write a post that makes sense.
On the map there is no metro symbol there, so it's not like it can mislead you.
My other post covered your failure at reading comprehension, im sorry the use of 'if' and punctuation like the question mark cause you so much anguish when it comes to parsing basic english, but anyway here's a screenshot to prove your claim of no metro symbol wrong.
Like say Lyndhurst station, which has been closed for 30 years.
Nice lie, but you said below you hadn't used it. Got you.
What i said clearly was why would i have an opinion on something i hadn't used?
I obviously have an opinion on it and therefore have used it, otherwise i wouldn't be commenting on this. If i hadn't used it make much sense to have a critical opinion of it now would it? So no, the only thing you've "got" is an obvious inability to parse basic english, idiot.
Why would you go searching for that though since it's been closed for so long? On the map there is no metro symbol there, so it's not like it can mislead you.
Bullshit, zoom in on it and the symbol is right there. I wouldn't search for it, the fact is it is located in terms of public transport...the map lists it there but it doesn't exist.
Oh that's right, you never used the Apple maps so you don't know what the hell you are talking about.
Of course i've used apple maps, why the fuck would i discuss this if i hadn't used it?
And in fact we find you were lying so obviously that was not a launch problem as you claim.
Actually you just can't parse basic english, so the FAIL is all on your part.
Yes, they could have. But I'm still not sure it would have been a better choice given that in a year or so they would have just had to cut it off suddenly.
No, they simply have a year to go on this contract.
Your whole post won that contest with the Berlin thing, which you yourself admit below didn't even bother to try before posting.
Wrong, failure to parse basic english strikes again!
Wrong, why would i have an opinion on something i hadn't used?
AHA!! NOW THE TRUTH COMES OUT.
What? Do i have an opinion on it? Clearly yes, therefore, given the basic rules of the english language applied to that statement i have indeed used it. I wouldn't have an opinion on something i hadn't used, however i do have an opinion on it because i have used it.
You said you searched for Berlin yourself and it failed... so were you lying then or now?
Neither, i quite clearly stated that i had, and that i wouldn't have an opinion on something i hadn't used, however i do have an opinion on it because i have used it.
What a moron.
Says the guy who can't parse english.
You can have the last response, I'll not waste any more time on a lying scumbag troll like yourself.
Yeah yeah you said that last time, of course you replied so the only liar here is you. Fool.
Berlin, indeed. Enjoy your buggy whip of a mapping system while iOS users stream past you.
So then how long will the bulk of these errors be errors if they are fixing things so quickly?
The large ones are going to get fixed quickly, it's the many smaller ones that won't. Mislocating Berlin was a pretty obvious one that should never have even been there at commercial release.
Did you actually TRY the Berlin search yourself at some point and have it fail?
YES! That's how i knew about it, fool.
Because I have seen errors on the Tumblr blog that were NEVER real errors, again they were made up.
Good for you, i haven't been following the Tumblr blog.
Sorry it made you look bad but then that's what you get for taking tumblr as gospel.
I told you this before, you seem to have a reading comprehension problem: You'd do better not to speculate, even if it does help you to feel better.
I know you feel wounded from being miseld. But here's the reality.
Misled by apple's crappy maps, like Lyndhurst train station, which has been closed for 30 years! By all means continue in denial though.
The FACT, not speculation but FACT, is that Tumblr had at least one totally fabricated example. So then why not others?
They do, it's called 3D flyover, and it's far better at showing context.
Are you retarded? You clearly haven't used one or the other if you think 3D flyover and streetview are the same thing, in 99% of the world you can't see anything but top-down in 3d flyover.
True customer support is doing something that will work better in the long run even if it's a little buggy now.
Oh bullshit, not when you could have it both ways.
What you are totally ignoring is that customers get more useful stuff than they had before.
No, i'm not ignoring that, you're ignoring the simple fact that they didn't have to abandon google maps to also have their own offering, stop accepting whatever mediocrity apple gives you while justifying that they know that it's best for you and that anyone who thinks otherwise mustn't be using it (or using it properly)...you sound like the same fanboys that justify the 'you're holding it wrong' comments.
iOS did not have turn-by-turn, now it does - and WAY more people will use that than used Street View.
Firstly that's just your assumption, if the maps are inaccurate turn-by-turn is worse than useless. But as you're clearly just an apologist you ignore the simple fact that they could still have the old maps and functionality as an option.
As noted on the whole, they are already better off than with the old maps.
That's possibly the most idiotic unsubstantiated comment yet.
You obviously believe what you like without actually using the new maps yourself for real searches, what the hell is that about?
Wrong, why would i have an opinion on something i hadn't used? You're desperate attempt to characterize me in such a way speaks to exactly the kind of rubbish an apologist would parrot when they know they have failed in their argument.
I've used it daily for a month including on a drive across the U.S.so OBVIOUSLY how could I possibly know what I was talking about?
Oh right, America, center of the universe! So long as it works in America it's fine, typical.
Why not just have the CM team be the official Android release team?
That way Android users would always get the best new software without having to worry about carrier interference.
I agree, but Google controls access to Android up until at least the first devices start shipping (obviously in the case of Honeycomb it was far later) - at this point their OHA member partners have been building and testing devices on the latest OS through the development process and are privy to the implementation and feature details (for example things like NFC). Having OEMs launch with CM is a great idea in theory but they would only be able to start developing/testing after OHA members have started shipping.
Meanwhile, Apple maps finds Berlin just fine thanks (I just tried it).
Naturally that's something they would fix quite quickly given the size of the error, you're aware that these are not offline maps no?
You were probably misled by people putting "joke" entires into the Tumblr that are meant to be funny but in the end just fool people like you into thinking there are more problems than there are.
You'd do better not to speculate, even if it does help you to feel better.
Find an example of a real Apple Maps problem that affects more than a handful of people...
I'm sure you're capable given the volume of complaints, even look on the tumblr blog.
For most people it IS ready to use day to day.
Arguing the opposite is equally justified.
And in fact talking about going above the bar, Apple is shipping with 3D images of many major cities, I live in Denver which is hardly one of the more massive areas and that feature is supported here. That's a feature above and beyond what Google is offering currently.
Great, but where is streetview? Oh right they don't have it.
The reaction has been so large because the press are delighted to jump on any story which shows Apple faltering, combined with some of the mistakes being pretty ridiculous (again, the REAL mistakes...).
So your argument is that it's all fine and poor apple are just getting bullied by the press, it's all just a conspiracy against apple.
But Apple is getting hammered also for things totally unfair, like warped 3D maps - as noted Nokias are worse, and Google Earth shows the same warped features too. So why was it justified that only Apple should be ridiculed for a feature that Google gets wrong exactly the same way?
Because where Apple have tried to do 3D they have replaced StreetView, if they simply added 3D people wouldn't care because they could still use StreetView in the same way as they always have. Have you seen Nokia's marketshare? Saying Apple effort is fine because Nokia is worse is just being an apologist.
The customers ARE being put first.
Yes clearly, the complaints and removal of existing functionality are proof of that...oh right that's all a conspiracy by the press though.
In six months iOS users will be in a WAY better mapping situation than the permanent Google Limbo they were in up to this point.
But they're not there yet! And taking away existing services while replacing them with in many cases inferior replacements (3D vs StreetView for example) is detrimental to the user, the company with $100 Billion in the bank could certainly have found a way to allow the users to choose the previous method until their in-house solution was actually ready.
He's not suggesting they advertise Android in iOS, he's suggesting they allow the logo for one of Google's products (Maps) for which they do not (or did not) have a competitor in iOS. Just as in the OS (the built in Photos app) they allow you to upload your videos to YouTube, which is owned by Google which owns/develops Android.
As for the Tumblr site - while amusing, Google has problems of its own which in practical terms would matter to more people than most of the errors shown in that Tumblr link.
But it has far fewer, and missing the location of ARBY's is hardly on par with incorrectly locating Berlin.
Apple just has some more highly visible issues out of the gate.
And of course that's what they are being chastised for, and rightly so. When Windows Phone came out there were apologists suggesting missing features or incorrect functionality would be fixed over time and were fine because iOS and Android had the same problems when they were released, well the bar has been raised, if you're not at least on par then you're not ready to be in the market, which is why the reaction to Apple maps has been so large and so negative. The 'why' doesn't matter to people the fact that customers aren't being put first is what matters.
iOS and OSX. And that's all. Of course, you get the whole Apple package in which there might be elements you dislike.
Actually OSX doesn't handle it well at all. Sure it's fine on the retina display when they know the screen size and number of pixels but when you plug it into an external display OSX does a terrible job, there is no arbitrary scaling, they are in no better position than Microsoft. With my mac mini plugged into my TV i want the UI elements and text a bit bigger but i don't want to reduce the resolution, OSX cannot do that (and Windows isn't particularly good at it).
So there is the Apple approach that take shortcuts that work well, and the MS approach which tries to accommodate for every fucking screen on the planet.
That's the advantage of being vertically integrated, you control the hardware and the software.
I sincerely hope microsoft is paying you to create new accounts and shill on slashdot. Because if you're just doing this for free, that's pretty sad.
So who's paying for the 'First Post', goatse, and all the other troll posts? I think these subtle Microsoft troll posts are the most successful ones going these days.
That doesn't work the same at all, it doesn't integrate with Siri either or with other applications.
In fact the one thing Apple could NOT do is provide the old mapping app because the license is ending, and it's not clear Google WOULD allow them to continue as they are developing their own mapping applications.
It's also not clear they wouldn't either, in fact it's not even logical for google to exclude its maps from the platform, they certainly haven't done that with their other services. I'm sure given the amount of negative responses and criticism leveled at Apple's maps that if this were indeed the case they would make it clear they had no choice, but of course there's no logical explanation for such a thing anyway.
You cat as though Apple is the only party making choices here.
And you act as though for some reason google would want to distance its maps from iOS even though they provide Google+, Drive, Chrome, Search, etc... apps for the platform. Your assertions make absolutely no sense.
But it don't really smell like a troll, at least not to me
You do realise 1/2 the posts on this thread are to that one comment don't you? That's pretty much par for the course when you look at those kinds of comments, they're the most effective troll on slashdot these days.
I'm well aware of the new features of Apple Maps, you don't have to detail them, that's clearly not something i'm objecting to. What they should have done is what they did when they introduced Siri, allow the user to switch back to the other service if they want to.
Well if that link is going to be every Apple story so is this one:
You're going to see to that are you?
Google maps were a far better experience in most ways, they shouldn't have replaced it with their own inferior service, they should have made sure it was at least on par. They appear to be copying Google's (and others') tactic of releasing 'beta' products into mainstream, something they never did before, it always used to be about only releasing something when they got it right and polished, that seems to be changing.
Between that, the stupid 'card view' app store layout, music app problems, wifi login issues and the battery life, iOS Vista really needs some work to get it up to scratch.
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By creating a not-so-compatible implementation and getting it installed on millions of computers.
How does that apply to typescript?
This is explicitly slated with the goal being to find a way to break compatibility by starting with apache 2.0.
Break compatibility with what?
Once you start writing in TypeScript you are forever bound to Microsoft.
I see you're unfamiliar with the concept of open source: git clone https://git01.codeplex.com/typescript
Agree, I can't see how anyone is any more 'locked in' to this than they would be if they used say Google Dart.
Look at the incompatibilities introduced by their past technologies: C# (copycat from Java) and simply calling it C#
You might as well whinge that Java is an incompatible copycat of Delphi, C# was never meant to be compatible with Java in any way, or do you not have any understanding of what C# is? The lack of cross-platform is the killer for C# (yes there is Mono but it's never up to the same version as the MS CLR).
Web Form (.NET 2.0)
What are you suggesting it was supposed to be compatible with?
Active Directory (vs LDAP).
Again, Active Directory and LDAP were never meant to be compatible.
If you want to jump on the anti-microsoft bandwagon at least try and write a post that makes sense.
On the map there is no metro symbol there, so it's not like it can mislead you.
My other post covered your failure at reading comprehension, im sorry the use of 'if' and punctuation like the question mark cause you so much anguish when it comes to parsing basic english, but anyway here's a screenshot to prove your claim of no metro symbol wrong.
Like what?
Like say Lyndhurst station, which has been closed for 30 years.
Nice lie, but you said below you hadn't used it. Got you.
What i said clearly was why would i have an opinion on something i hadn't used?
I obviously have an opinion on it and therefore have used it, otherwise i wouldn't be commenting on this. If i hadn't used it make much sense to have a critical opinion of it now would it? So no, the only thing you've "got" is an obvious inability to parse basic english, idiot.
Why would you go searching for that though since it's been closed for so long? On the map there is no metro symbol there, so it's not like it can mislead you.
Bullshit, zoom in on it and the symbol is right there. I wouldn't search for it, the fact is it is located in terms of public transport...the map lists it there but it doesn't exist.
Oh that's right, you never used the Apple maps so you don't know what the hell you are talking about.
Of course i've used apple maps, why the fuck would i discuss this if i hadn't used it?
And in fact we find you were lying so obviously that was not a launch problem as you claim.
Actually you just can't parse basic english, so the FAIL is all on your part.
Yes, they could have. But I'm still not sure it would have been a better choice given that in a year or so they would have just had to cut it off suddenly.
No, they simply have a year to go on this contract.
Your whole post won that contest with the Berlin thing, which you yourself admit below didn't even bother to try before posting.
Wrong, failure to parse basic english strikes again!
Wrong, why would i have an opinion on something i hadn't used?
AHA!! NOW THE TRUTH COMES OUT.
What? Do i have an opinion on it? Clearly yes, therefore, given the basic rules of the english language applied to that statement i have indeed used it. I wouldn't have an opinion on something i hadn't used, however i do have an opinion on it because i have used it.
You said you searched for Berlin yourself and it failed... so were you lying then or now?
Neither, i quite clearly stated that i had, and that i wouldn't have an opinion on something i hadn't used, however i do have an opinion on it because i have used it.
What a moron.
Says the guy who can't parse english.
You can have the last response, I'll not waste any more time on a lying scumbag troll like yourself.
Yeah yeah you said that last time, of course you replied so the only liar here is you. Fool.
Berlin, indeed. Enjoy your buggy whip of a mapping system while iOS users stream past you.
I have iOS, idiot.
So then how long will the bulk of these errors be errors if they are fixing things so quickly?
The large ones are going to get fixed quickly, it's the many smaller ones that won't. Mislocating Berlin was a pretty obvious one that should never have even been there at commercial release.
Did you actually TRY the Berlin search yourself at some point and have it fail?
YES! That's how i knew about it, fool.
Because I have seen errors on the Tumblr blog that were NEVER real errors, again they were made up.
Good for you, i haven't been following the Tumblr blog.
Sorry it made you look bad but then that's what you get for taking tumblr as gospel.
I told you this before, you seem to have a reading comprehension problem:
You'd do better not to speculate, even if it does help you to feel better.
I know you feel wounded from being miseld. But here's the reality.
Misled by apple's crappy maps, like Lyndhurst train station, which has been closed for 30 years! By all means continue in denial though.
The FACT, not speculation but FACT, is that Tumblr had at least one totally fabricated example. So then why not others?
Educate yourself.
They do, it's called 3D flyover, and it's far better at showing context.
Are you retarded? You clearly haven't used one or the other if you think 3D flyover and streetview are the same thing, in 99% of the world you can't see anything but top-down in 3d flyover.
True customer support is doing something that will work better in the long run even if it's a little buggy now.
Oh bullshit, not when you could have it both ways.
What you are totally ignoring is that customers get more useful stuff than they had before.
No, i'm not ignoring that, you're ignoring the simple fact that they didn't have to abandon google maps to also have their own offering, stop accepting whatever mediocrity apple gives you while justifying that they know that it's best for you and that anyone who thinks otherwise mustn't be using it (or using it properly)...you sound like the same fanboys that justify the 'you're holding it wrong' comments.
iOS did not have turn-by-turn, now it does - and WAY more people will use that than used Street View.
Firstly that's just your assumption, if the maps are inaccurate turn-by-turn is worse than useless. But as you're clearly just an apologist you ignore the simple fact that they could still have the old maps and functionality as an option.
As noted on the whole, they are already better off than with the old maps.
That's possibly the most idiotic unsubstantiated comment yet.
You obviously believe what you like without actually using the new maps yourself for real searches, what the hell is that about?
Wrong, why would i have an opinion on something i hadn't used? You're desperate attempt to characterize me in such a way speaks to exactly the kind of rubbish an apologist would parrot when they know they have failed in their argument.
I've used it daily for a month including on a drive across the U.S .so OBVIOUSLY how could I possibly know what I was talking about?
Oh right, America, center of the universe! So long as it works in America it's fine, typical.
Why not just have the CM team be the official Android release team? That way Android users would always get the best new software without having to worry about carrier interference.
I agree, but Google controls access to Android up until at least the first devices start shipping (obviously in the case of Honeycomb it was far later) - at this point their OHA member partners have been building and testing devices on the latest OS through the development process and are privy to the implementation and feature details (for example things like NFC). Having OEMs launch with CM is a great idea in theory but they would only be able to start developing/testing after OHA members have started shipping.
Meanwhile, Apple maps finds Berlin just fine thanks (I just tried it).
Naturally that's something they would fix quite quickly given the size of the error, you're aware that these are not offline maps no?
You were probably misled by people putting "joke" entires into the Tumblr that are meant to be funny but in the end just fool people like you into thinking there are more problems than there are.
You'd do better not to speculate, even if it does help you to feel better.
Find an example of a real Apple Maps problem that affects more than a handful of people...
I'm sure you're capable given the volume of complaints, even look on the tumblr blog.
For most people it IS ready to use day to day.
Arguing the opposite is equally justified.
And in fact talking about going above the bar, Apple is shipping with 3D images of many major cities, I live in Denver which is hardly one of the more massive areas and that feature is supported here. That's a feature above and beyond what Google is offering currently.
Great, but where is streetview? Oh right they don't have it.
The reaction has been so large because the press are delighted to jump on any story which shows Apple faltering, combined with some of the mistakes being pretty ridiculous (again, the REAL mistakes...).
So your argument is that it's all fine and poor apple are just getting bullied by the press, it's all just a conspiracy against apple.
But Apple is getting hammered also for things totally unfair, like warped 3D maps - as noted Nokias are worse, and Google Earth shows the same warped features too. So why was it justified that only Apple should be ridiculed for a feature that Google gets wrong exactly the same way?
Because where Apple have tried to do 3D they have replaced StreetView, if they simply added 3D people wouldn't care because they could still use StreetView in the same way as they always have. Have you seen Nokia's marketshare? Saying Apple effort is fine because Nokia is worse is just being an apologist.
The customers ARE being put first.
Yes clearly, the complaints and removal of existing functionality are proof of that...oh right that's all a conspiracy by the press though.
In six months iOS users will be in a WAY better mapping situation than the permanent Google Limbo they were in up to this point.
But they're not there yet! And taking away existing services while replacing them with in many cases inferior replacements (3D vs StreetView for example) is detrimental to the user, the company with $100 Billion in the bank could certainly have found a way to allow the users to choose the previous method until their in-house solution was actually ready.
He's not suggesting they advertise Android in iOS, he's suggesting they allow the logo for one of Google's products (Maps) for which they do not (or did not) have a competitor in iOS. Just as in the OS (the built in Photos app) they allow you to upload your videos to YouTube, which is owned by Google which owns/develops Android.
I agree with Gassée: they did not set expectations properly for the new Maps app.
Well expectations had already been set by the existing Google Maps app, Apple maps failed to match its quality.
As for the Tumblr site - while amusing, Google has problems of its own which in practical terms would matter to more people than most of the errors shown in that Tumblr link.
But it has far fewer, and missing the location of ARBY's is hardly on par with incorrectly locating Berlin.
Apple just has some more highly visible issues out of the gate.
And of course that's what they are being chastised for, and rightly so. When Windows Phone came out there were apologists suggesting missing features or incorrect functionality would be fixed over time and were fine because iOS and Android had the same problems when they were released, well the bar has been raised, if you're not at least on par then you're not ready to be in the market, which is why the reaction to Apple maps has been so large and so negative.
The 'why' doesn't matter to people the fact that customers aren't being put first is what matters.
why would you need a carrot if you've got a stick?
Never before have there been forced upgrades or features dropped from applications! Outrage!
Yeah but at least in non-cloud environments you can keep running the software as-is.
iOS and OSX. And that's all. Of course, you get the whole Apple package in which there might be elements you dislike.
Actually OSX doesn't handle it well at all. Sure it's fine on the retina display when they know the screen size and number of pixels but when you plug it into an external display OSX does a terrible job, there is no arbitrary scaling, they are in no better position than Microsoft. With my mac mini plugged into my TV i want the UI elements and text a bit bigger but i don't want to reduce the resolution, OSX cannot do that (and Windows isn't particularly good at it).
So there is the Apple approach that take shortcuts that work well, and the MS approach which tries to accommodate for every fucking screen on the planet.
That's the advantage of being vertically integrated, you control the hardware and the software.
I sincerely hope microsoft is paying you to create new accounts and shill on slashdot. Because if you're just doing this for free, that's pretty sad.
So who's paying for the 'First Post', goatse, and all the other troll posts? I think these subtle Microsoft troll posts are the most successful ones going these days.
Most people when using maps open maps first, so it really doesn't matter if it's not something pulled up by the system.
Who opens maps and then uses Siri? Or opens maps, then copies the content of a maps link and pastes it into the maps app?
The exception is contacts, but mapping apps generally pull up contacts to map, and contacts lets you easily copy an address to paste into Google Maps.
Of course you can do that, but Apple always prized its ability to make things intuitive rather than having a roundabout way of doing things.
They aren't. They are excluding Apple from writing said apps.
Well the app already exists, it's not logical for google to say 'we don't want that app on iOS anymore' given their other offerings.
You can, but going to maps.google.com in Safari.
That doesn't work the same at all, it doesn't integrate with Siri either or with other applications.
In fact the one thing Apple could NOT do is provide the old mapping app because the license is ending, and it's not clear Google WOULD allow them to continue as they are developing their own mapping applications.
It's also not clear they wouldn't either, in fact it's not even logical for google to exclude its maps from the platform, they certainly haven't done that with their other services. I'm sure given the amount of negative responses and criticism leveled at Apple's maps that if this were indeed the case they would make it clear they had no choice, but of course there's no logical explanation for such a thing anyway.
You cat as though Apple is the only party making choices here.
And you act as though for some reason google would want to distance its maps from iOS even though they provide Google+, Drive, Chrome, Search, etc... apps for the platform. Your assertions make absolutely no sense.
Did you notice that it requires the Apache 2.0 license? To me that means the goal is more software that they can copy without more than acknowledging
It's software that anyone can copy and use however they like, what's wrong with that?
But it don't really smell like a troll, at least not to me
You do realise 1/2 the posts on this thread are to that one comment don't you? That's pretty much par for the course when you look at those kinds of comments, they're the most effective troll on slashdot these days.
I'm well aware of the new features of Apple Maps, you don't have to detail them, that's clearly not something i'm objecting to. What they should have done is what they did when they introduced Siri, allow the user to switch back to the other service if they want to.
Well if that link is going to be every Apple story so is this one:
You're going to see to that are you?
Google maps were a far better experience in most ways, they shouldn't have replaced it with their own inferior service, they should have made sure it was at least on par. They appear to be copying Google's (and others') tactic of releasing 'beta' products into mainstream, something they never did before, it always used to be about only releasing something when they got it right and polished, that seems to be changing.
Between that, the stupid 'card view' app store layout, music app problems, wifi login issues and the battery life, iOS Vista really needs some work to get it up to scratch.