free (as in beer)? Don't you mean free (dollar cost)? I've always found the 'free beer' usage to be a snide little jab at the fact that linux on the desktop is about as common as free beer.
Read the post again, and the quoted passage. Yes Vista had problems, nobody is disputing that but it clearly (as illustrated by the benchmarks in the links) is "useable beyond very basic word processing and browsing".
These are starting to get a bit far fetched, it doesn't exactly look dissimilar to the telstra shops for example...or many other retailers for that matter.
Which is the same as CLI to a user if they don't know "slui 3" does what they want. How are they going to stumble across that on Windows 8 alone?
Who needs to stumble upon that? Who's changing their product keys? The only reason this guy did is because he used the enterprise version from his MSDN subscription rather than the normal or Pro version and in the case of using the Enterprise version this task would not normally be done by the user but by the sysadmin.
In this case Windows 8 did not prompt for the user for the key in the first place.
And you'll note it's the Enterprise version, not the consumer version.
It just assigned an invalid one during installation, and doesn't provide the user the option to enter a valid one if it fails.
Because it's the Enterprise version, the normal and Pro versions do not do this.
As for your strawman, GUI options for this task were already present in previous versions of Windows, they didn't clutter the UI. This is a regression.
You can cry that it's a regression all you want but it's moronic to suggest that a function that would virtually never be used by any user be presented in the GUI.
You needed fast storage to make Vista useable beyond very basic word processing and browsing (single processing). There's no two ways about that.
In that case care to explain the results here or here or here? Largely the complaints around Vista stemmed from the incompatibilities that came from introducing a new driver and security model (which are the same as in 7) and misconceptions around memory usage because of SuperFetch, the reality is the performance wasn't much different.
The UI concepts DO NOT WORK with those form factors.
Which UI concepts don't work? UI concepts like Hot Corners do work particularly well with those form factors. What is it that you're finding so difficult to use with the Metro interface that you believe all business and home users will find equally difficult? Really it's just there for launching applications and searching, outside of that pretty much everything else works the way it always has.
Apparently having a positive view of Win8 and being excited about surface means you are an "obvious Microsoft marketer"
It's only because it's Microsoft, if it were Mountain Lion and the next iPad or Jelly Bean and the next Nexus devices that would be fine, but if it's Microsoft you're not allowed to like them or anything they do and if you say that you will have a group of vocal angry anti-Microsoft folk jump on you about being a marketer or some such to try and discredit your opinion.
It's the same as launching applications, opening files, etc... through search.
Go look at how the previous Windows versions did it. Why didn't they reuse that? There's no need to type anything but your product key.
Probably because you shouldn't need to change your product key, it's not anything close to a common task and in this case with the Enterprise version the end user wouldn't be doing it anyway. You don't see Linux distros or OSX putting every single command into the GUI, that would be silly and just clutter the UI with things that would almost never be used.
The only reason I did not do it before is that I had to pay out of my pocket around $7000 in hardware and software in order to do it.
Really? $7000? A Mac Mini + iPad + iPhone + Developer Program runs less than a 1/3 of that! Kudos on the game though, look forward to trying the iOS version.
But you have no right or claim to compensation for every copy that gets made after the fact.
Well actually you do, otherwise people wouldn't be sued for piracy, the exact same thing applies to movies and music. I'm not saying that's the way it should stay, but it certainly is the way it currently is.
Once you install it in a machine, it's supposed to be joined to a CPU / Motherboard / HD. When all three are replaced or upgraded, it's no longer licensed.
And because it's retail you can deactivate and reactivate, because - unlike the OEM version - it's portable.
What you say may be true, but the basic facts are that Microsoft is hoping to make up the difference on their lock in software store.
That's not a fact, it's pure conjecture and not based on anything at all. If you look at the real facts you would see that Apple's revenue from the app store is a tiny percentage of their overall revenue and since there is no app store lock in (on Windows 8 you don't have to get your apps from the app store) you can expect it to be even less for Microsoft.
Obviously that one, even if you were incapable of inferring that from the original post the fact that all the other random metrics you listed don't support such a claim (and most don't even fit the definition of 'computer vendor') should tell you that the one that does (and best fits the definition of 'computer vendor') is most likely the measure in question.
Why do all that when I can walk into an Apple store and walk out with a machine that's ready to use, and loaded with the OS I want?
Because that was the question that was asked, just read the post. And if you want OSX anyway you wouldn't even be considering non-Apple alternatives would you.
Please mod down to Troll. Never had it happen with a Mac and I bought my first Mac laptop in 1996 (still working without batteries).
Just because you have anecdotal evidence to the contrary doesn't mean one is trolling, in fact i've got an ipod that counters your anecdotal evidence, it's battery started bulging and separating the casing.
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In all fairness, Java is no less secure than .NET or any other middleware.
In all fairness, Flash is no less secure or stable than any HTML5 implementation.
if it were just as free (as in beer).
free (as in beer)? Don't you mean free (dollar cost)? I've always found the 'free beer' usage to be a snide little jab at the fact that linux on the desktop is about as common as free beer.
I'd say he was referring to the ipad and iphone.
Read the post again, and the quoted passage. Yes Vista had problems, nobody is disputing that but it clearly (as illustrated by the benchmarks in the links) is "useable beyond very basic word processing and browsing".
Can you point out to me where this is documented in Microsoft's official documentation either on their website or Windows 8?
No, i'm not a sysadmin and i've never had to use it before.
From what I see the sysadmin will need to search for it using Google or Bing.
So?
That doesn't seem moronic to you?
No, search engines are a highly efficient way of finding information.
These are starting to get a bit far fetched, it doesn't exactly look dissimilar to the telstra shops for example...or many other retailers for that matter.
Who needs to stumble upon that? The sysadmin and whoever else needs to install the thing, who else?
If your sysadmin needs to 'stumble upon' this then he is not qualified.
Which is the same as CLI to a user if they don't know "slui 3" does what they want. How are they going to stumble across that on Windows 8 alone?
Who needs to stumble upon that? Who's changing their product keys? The only reason this guy did is because he used the enterprise version from his MSDN subscription rather than the normal or Pro version and in the case of using the Enterprise version this task would not normally be done by the user but by the sysadmin.
In this case Windows 8 did not prompt for the user for the key in the first place.
And you'll note it's the Enterprise version, not the consumer version.
It just assigned an invalid one during installation, and doesn't provide the user the option to enter a valid one if it fails.
Because it's the Enterprise version, the normal and Pro versions do not do this.
As for your strawman, GUI options for this task were already present in previous versions of Windows, they didn't clutter the UI. This is a regression.
You can cry that it's a regression all you want but it's moronic to suggest that a function that would virtually never be used by any user be presented in the GUI.
You needed fast storage to make Vista useable beyond very basic word processing and browsing (single processing). There's no two ways about that.
In that case care to explain the results here or here or here? Largely the complaints around Vista stemmed from the incompatibilities that came from introducing a new driver and security model (which are the same as in 7) and misconceptions around memory usage because of SuperFetch, the reality is the performance wasn't much different.
The UI concepts DO NOT WORK with those form factors.
Which UI concepts don't work? UI concepts like Hot Corners do work particularly well with those form factors. What is it that you're finding so difficult to use with the Metro interface that you believe all business and home users will find equally difficult? Really it's just there for launching applications and searching, outside of that pretty much everything else works the way it always has.
Perhaps some Mac users would care to chime in and describe how they would feel if the dock area took up the WHOLE FUCKING SCREEN.
Because that's basically what Metro does.
Yes, it's called Launchpad. The only difference is that Launchpad doesn't open on startup by default.
Apparently having a positive view of Win8 and being excited about surface means you are an "obvious Microsoft marketer"
It's only because it's Microsoft, if it were Mountain Lion and the next iPad or Jelly Bean and the next Nexus devices that would be fine, but if it's Microsoft you're not allowed to like them or anything they do and if you say that you will have a group of vocal angry anti-Microsoft folk jump on you about being a marketer or some such to try and discredit your opinion.
That's still CLI in effect.
It's the same as launching applications, opening files, etc... through search.
Go look at how the previous Windows versions did it. Why didn't they reuse that? There's no need to type anything but your product key.
Probably because you shouldn't need to change your product key, it's not anything close to a common task and in this case with the Enterprise version the end user wouldn't be doing it anyway. You don't see Linux distros or OSX putting every single command into the GUI, that would be silly and just clutter the UI with things that would almost never be used.
whatever you want to call it, its not release
What part of Release To Manufacturing (RTM) is unclear to you?
Flawless? OK please tell me the flawless way to do the following without resorting to the CLI
Type slui 3 at the start screen and press enter. There's probably other ways too.
and your telling us that a beta version of 8 is flawless
Given that he specifically noted he has an MSDN subscription that seems to indicate he's running RTM, not a BETA.
now most of them are due to CUPS. You know, that system created by Apple.
Ooohhh...like YouTube created by Google, Skype created by Microsoft and MySpace created by News Ltd...or is it now created by Justin Timberlake?
The only reason I did not do it before is that I had to pay out of my pocket around $7000 in hardware and software in order to do it.
Really? $7000? A Mac Mini + iPad + iPhone + Developer Program runs less than a 1/3 of that! Kudos on the game though, look forward to trying the iOS version.
But you have no right or claim to compensation for every copy that gets made after the fact.
Well actually you do, otherwise people wouldn't be sued for piracy, the exact same thing applies to movies and music. I'm not saying that's the way it should stay, but it certainly is the way it currently is.
Once you install it in a machine, it's supposed to be joined to a CPU / Motherboard / HD. When all three are replaced or upgraded, it's no longer licensed.
And because it's retail you can deactivate and reactivate, because - unlike the OEM version - it's portable.
What you say may be true, but the basic facts are that Microsoft is hoping to make up the difference on their lock in software store.
That's not a fact, it's pure conjecture and not based on anything at all. If you look at the real facts you would see that Apple's revenue from the app store is a tiny percentage of their overall revenue and since there is no app store lock in (on Windows 8 you don't have to get your apps from the app store) you can expect it to be even less for Microsoft.
PC distribution? Yes
Obviously that one, even if you were incapable of inferring that from the original post the fact that all the other random metrics you listed don't support such a claim (and most don't even fit the definition of 'computer vendor') should tell you that the one that does (and best fits the definition of 'computer vendor') is most likely the measure in question.
Why do all that when I can walk into an Apple store and walk out with a machine that's ready to use, and loaded with the OS I want?
Because that was the question that was asked, just read the post. And if you want OSX anyway you wouldn't even be considering non-Apple alternatives would you.
Are you an OEM like HP? If not then you probably don't qualify for their volume discount on OEM licenses.
Please mod down to Troll. Never had it happen with a Mac and I bought my first Mac laptop in 1996 (still working without batteries).
Just because you have anecdotal evidence to the contrary doesn't mean one is trolling, in fact i've got an ipod that counters your anecdotal evidence, it's battery started bulging and separating the casing.