If you meant the non simple passcode entry, then why would anyone even need this App.
The black keyboard given on there, actually echo whatever you type up on the empty line above, there is no need to capture keys. What you type is flashed right above in the white row over they keyboard.
Do you have an ipad? Did you watch the video in the article? How about you have a look at the video, it shows that both your posts are wrong. Yes the keyboard is that colour and no the text doesn't flash up in the text entry box.
The iPad keybord is not black, neither does it do a blue glow.
iOS virtual keyboards have *NEVER* been black. Yes if you Jailbreak you can put any type of skin (as see in the linked article), but the default virtual keyboard is white as in iPhone, iPod touch and iPad.
Have you looked at the keyboard of the lockscreen with an alphanumeric password? No? Of course not, because you posted this so you can't possibly have.
not to mention that in the ipod lines the G denotes Generation yet the iphone 3G was not the 3rd generation iphone and in that case the 3G was for the network speed.
Whatever happened to the idea of 'for the beneift of society'.
People realized they can't go to the supermarket and tell the clerk they are taking this food 'for the benefit of society' since they did all their work 'for the benefit of society' and have no money.
This is all very irrelevant. The point is, it is technically not "Linux"
Bullshit, it *technically*is Linux. It's not the same Linux system you would run on your desktop PC and no-one would argue with that, that doesn't mean it's not Linux.
it does not match what people would define as "Linux" (pre-Android)
What people?
Of course if you are referring to a desktop operating system most people would likely refer to GNU/Linux because that is the prevalent type of distribution. But it's factually incorrect to say Android isn't a Linux system just because some people don't know it's a Linux system.
and it in no way is "Linux" other than just the kernel
Newsflash, Linux is just the kernel on ALL Linux systems.
So? We don't avoid calling it what it is just because most people don't know.
There's a reason Richard Stallman was always bothered by people referring to the OS underlying Debian, Red Hat, Ubuntu and the countless other distributions as "Linux"; it ignores the fact that the vast majority of what makes it tick is the GNU userland.
It also ignores the fact that you can have a Linux system without the GNU userland.
Android is an Apache/Linux desktop. It's only vaguely related to what everyone used to refer to as "Linux" or properly GNU/Linux.
That's no reason to avoid the fact, if anything it takes away from the hard work the kernel developers do if most people only associate Linux with GNU/Linux when in actuality almost everyone uses Linux in some capacity.
Calling it Linux is technically correct in that it does use the Linux kernel down under layers of Google and Java cruft. But it is only used as a place for the OEMs to hang device drivers because they already were familiar with it from their other ARM embedded projects. In the more familiar usage of the word 'Linux' to mean a distribution of familiar UNIXish tools from GNU, X.org, Moz Corp, GNOME/KDE, etc.
By 'familiar' you mean 'incorrect'. We all know that despite the brilliance of Linux, GNU/Linux desktop distributions haven't been very well received by the broader populace, but perpetuating the ignorance of people interpreting Linux as just the desktop GNU/Xorg/GNOME/KDE distro undermines Linux itself. Like it or not, Android is a Linux-based OS just the same as Ubuntu or Gentoo and just like many TVs running a Linux-based OS.
Android is totally alien and about as closed of a walled garden as OS X or iOS.
About as closed as OSX? No, definitely not.
About as closed as iOS? Absolutely not, no idea where you even got that idea from.
Either that or please enlighten me to see where the source code to their search engine algorithms are, or where I can download the source code for AdWords and Adsense, Google Earth, Picasa and the list goes on.
Why do you think you're entitled to see the source for those?
isn't this an admission that their current method of security, security by obscurity(closed source), isn't as secure as opening up the source?
No, this isn't even about security. It's about saying 'yes we are collecting data, this is the code we are using to collect that data' so people can see what data they are collecting. Had google done the same thing people would have seen that their code was collecting more information than they said it was.
So, then it's showing the Open Source has better PRIVACY provability than Closed Source, no?
Perhaps, but that's pointless anyway since you still have to trust that the code the company releases is indeed the code it is running.
isn't this an admission that their current method of security, security by obscurity(closed source), isn't as secure as opening up the source?
No, this isn't even about security. It's about saying 'yes we are collecting data, this is the code we are using to collect that data' so people can see what data they are collecting. Had google done the same thing people would have seen that their code was collecting more information than they said it was.
Are you incapable of explaining the reason to your family or are they unable to comprehend it?
They value future consumption (food and shelter during retirement) over present consumption (toys), and they sometimes have trouble understanding the difference between tools used for one's career and toys used for personal entertainment, especially when the tools (e.g. Xbox 360 console) are prominently sold to the public as toys.
Your family problems are hardly anyone elses concern and are completely irrelevant to this discussion.
No, you stated you need 5 years of XBL Gold, you then stated the reason why you need it is to peer review titles.
I mentioned peer review in the context of "and you don't even need app hub until you get to platform testing." XBL Gold would be used for testing online multiplayer features of my own games and peer-reviewing games that include online multiplayer features. And if I don't buy enough years of membership to cover the expected remaining lifetime of the platform, am I supposed to give up, withdraw my games from the XBLIG market, and go back to PC exclusivity after the 365th day of membership?
You renew on a yearly basis, and do so if you see it to be appropriate, just like you would with any other distribution system.
So? That's got nothing to do with it whatsoever, what's your point?
My point is that my family might think it odd if I buy an Xbox 360 and a PC new enough and big enough to run XNA Game Studio but don't buy any game discs, or if I buy an Xbox 360 at all while still owning a Wii. At least one member of my family is under the impression that the majority of the income from my day job should go in an account marked "do not open until age 65".
So? How is the fact that your family might think it's odd in any way relevant? Are you incapable of explaining the reason to your family or are they unable to comprehend it?
even then if it's taking you 5 years you're doing it wrong.
I was referring to the fact that games disappear from the store when an App Hub subscription runs out.
No, you stated you need 5 years of XBL Gold, you then stated the reason why you need it is to peer review titles. I said you don't need 5 years to peer review titles.
Yes, if you develop for a platform you do need to have that platform, is this news to you?
I didn't learn about Nintendo's strong stance against official home development (source: warioworld.com) until after I had already bought a Wii console instead. Now I'm stuck with a Wii that I can't officially code for.
So? That's got nothing to do with it whatsoever, what's your point?
But in any case you don't need XBL gold and you don't even need app hub until you get to platform testing.
Platform testing early and often prevents shock from seeing a 100 fps engine on the PC drop to 5 fps on the 360.
Wow...a 95% performance drop huh. If you're developing for the PC and only testing on one machine when your target audience uses thousands of different configurations then you're just as likely to run into performance, compatibility or stability issues there too.
And don't I need to peer review several games before submitting my own?
Maybe, but even then if it's taking you 5 years you're doing it wrong.
Anyway your arguments aren't even relevant to your initial point anymore.
The point is its all a step backwards, the system is designed to keep the big boys raking it in and anyone else out so they don't have to compete.
oh bullshit, XBLIG is a way for small indie games to easily get onto the platform and you get to reach their entire audience through an official distribution channel and they even handle payment for you. And the exact same game can be distributed however you want on Windows.
Compare to say the C64, Amiga, or even Windows... Everyone has access to the same APIs, and there are/were thriving scenes of indie games. Many great games were released for free or as shareware.
Nothing's stopping you from using Windows...in fact they great thing about XBLIG is that the same games you write to access the console gamer market can be made available to Window users. The XBox isn't an open platform, but the software that you are writing on the XBox can be run on open platforms so what's the problem?
A system like XBLIG has so many arbitrary restrictions, the whole thing is quite insulting.
They don't want the platform clogged with buggy, insecure code. If you want that freedom use Windows, you're free to do so.
They restrict the languages you can use, restrict the price you can sell for, the size of game you can produce and force you to use their distribution channel exclusively.
Yet you can run the exact same thing on Windows, they've given you the choice. They have a safe, restricted platform that you can use but you can also run/distribute the exact same game that you write for that platform on an unrestricted platform. It's up to you.
All of this will ensure that Indie games are always perceived as inferior to the big name studios.
Assets are not the only things that are computationally expensive, there are plenty of AI, physics, shader effects, etc... that are beyond the scope of the bare minimum.
How did AI and physics run on sixth-generation video game consoles such as the PlayStation 2 and Nintendo GameCube?
With less complexity, you think AI and physics haven't changed since then?
by targeting XBLIG you get 90% of the PC gaming market that you are suggesting as the alternative anyway.
I don't own an Xbox 360. As I understand it, buying an Xbox 360 just to develop for it would cost me $300 for the hardware plus $500 for five years of App Hub plus $300 for five years of Xbox Live Gold. What do I misunderstand?
Yes, if you develop for a platform you do need to have that platform, is this news to you?
But in any case you don't need XBL gold and you don't even need app hub until you get to platform testing.
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If you meant the non simple passcode entry, then why would anyone even need this App. The black keyboard given on there, actually echo whatever you type up on the empty line above, there is no need to capture keys. What you type is flashed right above in the white row over they keyboard.
Do you have an ipad? Did you watch the video in the article? How about you have a look at the video, it shows that both your posts are wrong. Yes the keyboard is that colour and no the text doesn't flash up in the text entry box.
The iPad keyboard does not look like the one linked in the article, it's Apple grey/white.
Unless you actually try the situation shown in the article.
This whole story is completely false.
The iPad keybord is not black, neither does it do a blue glow.
iOS virtual keyboards have *NEVER* been black. Yes if you Jailbreak you can put any type of skin (as see in the linked article), but the default virtual keyboard is white as in iPhone, iPod touch and iPad.
Have you looked at the keyboard of the lockscreen with an alphanumeric password? No? Of course not, because you posted this so you can't possibly have.
If those previous models did rely on accelerometers, how does one exactly go about challenging this ruling and show prior art?
What ruling? It's just a patent. If they use it to sue someone then the prior art will be the defence and patent will be invalidated.
not to mention that in the ipod lines the G denotes Generation yet the iphone 3G was not the 3rd generation iphone and in that case the 3G was for the network speed.
If you license code that implements a patented invention under GPL 3.0 you have to give everyone using the source code a license to use the patent.
That isn't specific to the GPLv3, it's the same with the ASL.
of course i meant CFM; DR
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Whatever happened to the idea of 'for the beneift of society'.
People realized they can't go to the supermarket and tell the clerk they are taking this food 'for the benefit of society' since they did all their work 'for the benefit of society' and have no money.
This is all very irrelevant. The point is, it is technically not "Linux"
Bullshit, it *technically* is Linux. It's not the same Linux system you would run on your desktop PC and no-one would argue with that, that doesn't mean it's not Linux.
it does not match what people would define as "Linux" (pre-Android)
What people?
Of course if you are referring to a desktop operating system most people would likely refer to GNU/Linux because that is the prevalent type of distribution. But it's factually incorrect to say Android isn't a Linux system just because some people don't know it's a Linux system.
and it in no way is "Linux" other than just the kernel
Newsflash, Linux is just the kernel on ALL Linux systems.
It's not "Linux" as most people know it.
So? We don't avoid calling it what it is just because most people don't know.
There's a reason Richard Stallman was always bothered by people referring to the OS underlying Debian, Red Hat, Ubuntu and the countless other distributions as "Linux"; it ignores the fact that the vast majority of what makes it tick is the GNU userland.
It also ignores the fact that you can have a Linux system without the GNU userland.
Android is an Apache/Linux desktop. It's only vaguely related to what everyone used to refer to as "Linux" or properly GNU/Linux.
That's no reason to avoid the fact, if anything it takes away from the hard work the kernel developers do if most people only associate Linux with GNU/Linux when in actuality almost everyone uses Linux in some capacity.
Calling it Linux is technically correct in that it does use the Linux kernel down under layers of Google and Java cruft. But it is only used as a place for the OEMs to hang device drivers because they already were familiar with it from their other ARM embedded projects. In the more familiar usage of the word 'Linux' to mean a distribution of familiar UNIXish tools from GNU, X.org, Moz Corp, GNOME/KDE, etc.
By 'familiar' you mean 'incorrect'. We all know that despite the brilliance of Linux, GNU/Linux desktop distributions haven't been very well received by the broader populace, but perpetuating the ignorance of people interpreting Linux as just the desktop GNU/Xorg/GNOME/KDE distro undermines Linux itself. Like it or not, Android is a Linux-based OS just the same as Ubuntu or Gentoo and just like many TVs running a Linux-based OS.
Android is totally alien and about as closed of a walled garden as OS X or iOS.
About as closed as OSX? No, definitely not.
About as closed as iOS? Absolutely not, no idea where you even got that idea from.
Either that or please enlighten me to see where the source code to their search engine algorithms are, or where I can download the source code for AdWords and Adsense, Google Earth, Picasa and the list goes on.
Why do you think you're entitled to see the source for those?
Wrong. The gov't is responsible for making sure my child doesn't ever see or interact with anything I don't want them to.
i lol'd...but you'd be surprised how many people actually do have that view
If you want to take down patents, you should focus on the trolls - interval, microsoft, apple.
Are you sure you know what a patent troll is?
next up an off-cut of rubber from when the surrounds of one of the dials of the Challenger was made...$80,000!
isn't this an admission that their current method of security, security by obscurity(closed source), isn't as secure as opening up the source?
No, this isn't even about security. It's about saying 'yes we are collecting data, this is the code we are using to collect that data' so people can see what data they are collecting. Had google done the same thing people would have seen that their code was collecting more information than they said it was.
So, then it's showing the Open Source has better PRIVACY provability than Closed Source, no?
Perhaps, but that's pointless anyway since you still have to trust that the code the company releases is indeed the code it is running.
How would you know that if they released the code that this code is what's really running on your phone?
RTFA, it's code running on phones they are using for data collection.
isn't this an admission that their current method of security, security by obscurity(closed source), isn't as secure as opening up the source?
No, this isn't even about security. It's about saying 'yes we are collecting data, this is the code we are using to collect that data' so people can see what data they are collecting. Had google done the same thing people would have seen that their code was collecting more information than they said it was.
Without the ability to compile the entire thing for yourself and check the checksums, there is no real way to know that this is the genuine source.
Check the checksums against what?
Are you incapable of explaining the reason to your family or are they unable to comprehend it?
They value future consumption (food and shelter during retirement) over present consumption (toys), and they sometimes have trouble understanding the difference between tools used for one's career and toys used for personal entertainment, especially when the tools (e.g. Xbox 360 console) are prominently sold to the public as toys.
Your family problems are hardly anyone elses concern and are completely irrelevant to this discussion.
No, you stated you need 5 years of XBL Gold, you then stated the reason why you need it is to peer review titles.
I mentioned peer review in the context of "and you don't even need app hub until you get to platform testing." XBL Gold would be used for testing online multiplayer features of my own games and peer-reviewing games that include online multiplayer features. And if I don't buy enough years of membership to cover the expected remaining lifetime of the platform, am I supposed to give up, withdraw my games from the XBLIG market, and go back to PC exclusivity after the 365th day of membership?
You renew on a yearly basis, and do so if you see it to be appropriate, just like you would with any other distribution system.
So? That's got nothing to do with it whatsoever, what's your point?
My point is that my family might think it odd if I buy an Xbox 360 and a PC new enough and big enough to run XNA Game Studio but don't buy any game discs, or if I buy an Xbox 360 at all while still owning a Wii. At least one member of my family is under the impression that the majority of the income from my day job should go in an account marked "do not open until age 65".
So? How is the fact that your family might think it's odd in any way relevant? Are you incapable of explaining the reason to your family or are they unable to comprehend it?
even then if it's taking you 5 years you're doing it wrong.
I was referring to the fact that games disappear from the store when an App Hub subscription runs out.
No, you stated you need 5 years of XBL Gold, you then stated the reason why you need it is to peer review titles. I said you don't need 5 years to peer review titles.
Yes, if you develop for a platform you do need to have that platform, is this news to you?
I didn't learn about Nintendo's strong stance against official home development (source: warioworld.com) until after I had already bought a Wii console instead. Now I'm stuck with a Wii that I can't officially code for.
So? That's got nothing to do with it whatsoever, what's your point?
But in any case you don't need XBL gold and you don't even need app hub until you get to platform testing.
Platform testing early and often prevents shock from seeing a 100 fps engine on the PC drop to 5 fps on the 360.
Wow...a 95% performance drop huh. If you're developing for the PC and only testing on one machine when your target audience uses thousands of different configurations then you're just as likely to run into performance, compatibility or stability issues there too.
And don't I need to peer review several games before submitting my own?
Maybe, but even then if it's taking you 5 years you're doing it wrong.
Anyway your arguments aren't even relevant to your initial point anymore.
The point is its all a step backwards, the system is designed to keep the big boys raking it in and anyone else out so they don't have to compete.
oh bullshit, XBLIG is a way for small indie games to easily get onto the platform and you get to reach their entire audience through an official distribution channel and they even handle payment for you. And the exact same game can be distributed however you want on Windows.
Compare to say the C64, Amiga, or even Windows... Everyone has access to the same APIs, and there are/were thriving scenes of indie games. Many great games were released for free or as shareware.
Nothing's stopping you from using Windows...in fact they great thing about XBLIG is that the same games you write to access the console gamer market can be made available to Window users. The XBox isn't an open platform, but the software that you are writing on the XBox can be run on open platforms so what's the problem?
A system like XBLIG has so many arbitrary restrictions, the whole thing is quite insulting.
They don't want the platform clogged with buggy, insecure code. If you want that freedom use Windows, you're free to do so.
They restrict the languages you can use, restrict the price you can sell for, the size of game you can produce and force you to use their distribution channel exclusively.
Yet you can run the exact same thing on Windows, they've given you the choice. They have a safe, restricted platform that you can use but you can also run/distribute the exact same game that you write for that platform on an unrestricted platform. It's up to you.
All of this will ensure that Indie games are always perceived as inferior to the big name studios.
Only if particular indie games are crap.
Assets are not the only things that are computationally expensive, there are plenty of AI, physics, shader effects, etc... that are beyond the scope of the bare minimum.
How did AI and physics run on sixth-generation video game consoles such as the PlayStation 2 and Nintendo GameCube?
With less complexity, you think AI and physics haven't changed since then?
by targeting XBLIG you get 90% of the PC gaming market that you are suggesting as the alternative anyway.
I don't own an Xbox 360. As I understand it, buying an Xbox 360 just to develop for it would cost me $300 for the hardware plus $500 for five years of App Hub plus $300 for five years of Xbox Live Gold. What do I misunderstand?
Yes, if you develop for a platform you do need to have that platform, is this news to you?
But in any case you don't need XBL gold and you don't even need app hub until you get to platform testing.