He doesn't. That's why coal buildup is so massive worldwide right now.
Issue is that many may actually end up with subsidized power that will cost too much to maintain, such as wind, which has fairly cheap buildup, but massive maintenance costs or natural gas, which has serious pricing fluctuation and supply reliability issues in many developing countries. It wouldn't be very different from the old hooking of developing countries on "development loans".
My information comes from recently built plants in Eastern Europe, that implement precise burning controls to ensure that burning temperature in all parts of the burner never hit the point where formation of NOx and SO2 begins. I remember people boasting that officials checking the numbers didn't believe them, and ended up hiring several additional consultants to check and re-check the results. They couldn't believe the zero NOx and zero SO2 as they were used to those plants from 60s and 70s.
It's all about process control, it's fairly new technology. You're talking about average for old plants built in the 60s and 70s that didn't have automation necessary for such fine tuning. As I noted, most of these plants also don't have filters to filter particles out either, which is why China is currently a mess in terms of air quality. And why most of their problems would be solved if they started building modern coal plants instead of cheap crap using old technology.
Armies do not move on "beliefs", especially when said beliefs are nothing but result of massive propaganda. They move on orders of their generals. Generals move on orders of their governments. President and government have official position that China is their territory, occupied by the enemy.
I'm sorry, you cannot dodge this particular bullet. It's just far too much in your face.
Disclosure: I have direct family members working in large companies that build various types of power plants.
There is a boom of coal building going in Europe, that is fueled by Energywiende. The so called "energy transition", world's premiere event that is supposed to showcase how wind is functional as base power... is causing the biggest coal plant build up of the century.
It's that inconvenient truth that is rarely mentioned in references that strongly advocate transition. Wind isn't capable of functioning as base power in the first place, even with investments of astronomical proportions that have driven enormous amount of people in Germany into "energy poverty".
Here are some more inconvenient facts: 1. We do not have material science that could create sustainable generators, gears and other mechanics necessary for sustainable wind generator. As of writing this, best we can do is about 12 years before complete power plant rehaul. Coal plants have an average lifetime of 40-60 years. 2. We do not have technology necessary to create functional grid that can support microgeneration on national scale.
Facts can be seen in Germany, which believed the claims of orignal poster, and is now paying the massive bill, will being the biggest builder of coal power in Europe. These are inconvenient and often only mentioned among engineers and builders. After all, who wants to tell their constituents that they burned through untold billoins of Euros, driven hundreds of thousands of people into poverty with insane power prices, and all they can show for it is more and more coal plants that are actually doing the work.
Because that is the reality. Future is in fusion, and transitional power will be coal, nuclear, oil/gas/biomass burners and hydro/geothermal where geographically available. Wind will remain a footnote, that is there to appease the believers, nothing else, nothing more, until we have a breakthrough in science both in terms of power grid technlology and mechanics to make both microgeneration and durability of turbines sufficient.
And that is about as far away as fusion, which is also mainly limited by material science limitations at the moment.
As a result, I conclude that beyond wishful mass-poverty inducing thinking, sustainable wind power is unlikely to ever provide functional transitional power until fusion comes along.
What you do not understand is that price is but one factor of actual cost. Power is baseline necessity. As a result, there are several factors to it which are not factored into monetary cost, such as reliability, availability and functionality. Costs merely relay the end user costs after local governing body absorbs all those things.
As for wind and solar being cheaper than coal, there are two options. You are either ignorant or stupid. We need massive breakthroughs in:
1. Material sciences and technologies. 2. Electrical grid and transformer station technology.
For it to be anywhere close to coal. We have already picked all the low, and even medium high fruit in these. What we have left is extremely complex stuff that takes decades to just progress in a significant fashion.
It's highly unlikely that we'll have any kind of wind and solar parity with coal before we have functional nuclear fusion plants.
ROC government headquartered in Taiwan thinks exactly the same thing. Mainland China is simply temporarily not under its control. Both governments view entirety of China, including mainland and island of Taiwan as their territory.
You are wrong according to both Taiwanese and Chinese. Both view themselves as "China that has rights to controlling all of Chinese territory". I.e. Republic of China government that is located in Taiwan claims that entire mainland China is their territory and Taiwan is just one province. People's Republic of China that is located on mainland has the exactly same claim. It's basically two different regimes that (mostly, discounting Mongolia issue) agree that China encompasses both Taiwan and mainland, but disagree on which government is legitimate one. This is because both claimed to be legitimate governments back in the days of civil war, and one side was simply pushed out of mainland and into Taiwan, but never finished off.
Even Taiwanese tend to forget this because official propaganda doesn't like to talk about this inconvenient truth. However you can check yourself both from history books, or even wikipedia and its sources.
Coal is by far cheapest and most economical however, and modern coal doesn't even pollute. Modern coal burning process in new power plants alone removes most of the nasties like NOx and SO2 emissions and modern filters can eliminate particle exhaust by turning it into ash which can be kept out of atmosphere.
Comparable gas fired plants are much more expensive, nuclear requires extreme investment and country that is politically and geologically stable, hydro requires appropriate geography, oil is less expensive than gas but has problems with price fluctuations and the so called "green power" is prohibitively expensive. Just ask germans, who are among the richest people on the planet and they are reeling from costs to the point where they have a concept of "power poverty" in Germany now.
That is why in spite of lack of subsidies, growing economies build mostly coal. It's cheap, it's reliable and if they bothered to build modern stations instead of rushing, they'd be pretty clean too just like new ones in the West are. It's the uncomfortable reality that after you take away the fluff, coal is likely going to remain the overall best power generation technology for at least another century, or at least until we manage to invent something completely new. Because none of the current technologies can match coal. Which is why it's still being built.
If it weren't for CO2 problem, modern coal burning would be among the greenest ways to generate power. In fact, it could be argued that most of the particle pollution and NOx/SO2 problems currently experienced in China and India would be fixed by transitioning crappy basic coal plants that these countries are full of and replacing them with modern coal plants.
It's not that engineers want to build coal. It's that in developing nations (and in many cases developed nations) often there's simply no real other choice.
The chore comes from having to spend minutes to hours to some cases days researching how to unfuck yet another UI snafu that mozilla's designers pushed in the update.
And as of typing this, three ignorant fools modded you insightful.
Do you know what happens in reality, behind those pretty words and talking points that are carefully fed to you via mass media? When your megatelco sees competition it:
1. Blocks peering at local exchanges which it mostly controls, or puts in prices so high that fledgling business goes under. 2. Lowers its user prices for a short period, dumping the price and bankrupting the competitor. Then pushing prices to even higher level to gain the money lost back. 3. Buys new competitor out outright. 4. Uses local bought and paid for legislature to block the competitor. 5. Reminds its contacts in the local media to talk about 4. as if it's the fault of the government, and that more deregulation is needed to control 1-4. And so useful idiot like yourself types up that wonderful ideological drivel that is being carefully fed to him and he gets to parrot, and three other ignorant fools mod him insightful.
You misunderstand yet again. I'm not talking about your beliefs in terms of what is a correct justice system, but the beliefs of what certain terms mean and your complete intolerance (to the point of insulting) for the fact that in other cultures those terms mean completely different things.
I can see that you are too invested in your own beliefs to be swayed by logic and will resort to complaining about what you have learned to associate with words "life sentence" not being the same world wide.
It's quite a bit like US folks calling socialism "universally evil" as they keep actively practicing it. They just don't call it socialism.
You live in the imaginary world where humans are machines driven only by pure machine logic. I live in the world where humans are humans and when they hear "update with notepad" they turn around and walk away. And they are right - they have far more valuable things to do with their time than learning niche skills like that.
Because if they didn't, you'd have nothing to eat, no clean water to drink, no power to run your computer, no roof over your head and your problem would be protecting yourself from wolves. Because people who focus their time on doing all those things would be learning how to "update hosts list with a notepad" and other similar niche stuff. For which they don't have time or interest in normal world, because they actually have to do all those other tasks that support the current way of life among humans.
So welcome to the real world mr. ubernerd. It's not a nice place, but it lets all of us live together in fairly comfortable way. Because when they want something done, they don't learn the convoluted techie way, but just click on button to install an add-on and let that manage everything automatically on background with zero input from them.
10 year sentence is about as long effective in terms of prevention as life according to most criminologists. From preventative point of view, as long as you can do an evaluation to keep those few that still pose a threat in prison, the rest should be released.
Vengeance based system views that such risks and assessments are irrelevant, as the goal is not to rehabilitate but to punish.
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He doesn't. That's why coal buildup is so massive worldwide right now.
Issue is that many may actually end up with subsidized power that will cost too much to maintain, such as wind, which has fairly cheap buildup, but massive maintenance costs or natural gas, which has serious pricing fluctuation and supply reliability issues in many developing countries. It wouldn't be very different from the old hooking of developing countries on "development loans".
Vast majority of new coal is due to the fact that they are replacing nuclear with wind, and wind is unusable as base power.
That means that as they build up wind power, they need to build equivalent amount of base power.
That would be the massive coal build up happening now.
CO2 is not a pollutant. It's a greenhouse gas. Mixing these two shows extreme amount of ignorance on the topic.
Yes, and most of these 50 years are about inventing materials necessary.
Same problem with wind and solar.
My information comes from recently built plants in Eastern Europe, that implement precise burning controls to ensure that burning temperature in all parts of the burner never hit the point where formation of NOx and SO2 begins.
I remember people boasting that officials checking the numbers didn't believe them, and ended up hiring several additional consultants to check and re-check the results. They couldn't believe the zero NOx and zero SO2 as they were used to those plants from 60s and 70s.
It's all about process control, it's fairly new technology. You're talking about average for old plants built in the 60s and 70s that didn't have automation necessary for such fine tuning. As I noted, most of these plants also don't have filters to filter particles out either, which is why China is currently a mess in terms of air quality. And why most of their problems would be solved if they started building modern coal plants instead of cheap crap using old technology.
Armies do not move on "beliefs", especially when said beliefs are nothing but result of massive propaganda. They move on orders of their generals. Generals move on orders of their governments. President and government have official position that China is their territory, occupied by the enemy.
I'm sorry, you cannot dodge this particular bullet. It's just far too much in your face.
That would be because you don't use ethernet as base power source.
Disclosure: I have direct family members working in large companies that build various types of power plants.
There is a boom of coal building going in Europe, that is fueled by Energywiende. The so called "energy transition", world's premiere event that is supposed to showcase how wind is functional as base power... is causing the biggest coal plant build up of the century.
It's that inconvenient truth that is rarely mentioned in references that strongly advocate transition. Wind isn't capable of functioning as base power in the first place, even with investments of astronomical proportions that have driven enormous amount of people in Germany into "energy poverty".
Here are some more inconvenient facts:
1. We do not have material science that could create sustainable generators, gears and other mechanics necessary for sustainable wind generator. As of writing this, best we can do is about 12 years before complete power plant rehaul. Coal plants have an average lifetime of 40-60 years.
2. We do not have technology necessary to create functional grid that can support microgeneration on national scale.
Facts can be seen in Germany, which believed the claims of orignal poster, and is now paying the massive bill, will being the biggest builder of coal power in Europe. These are inconvenient and often only mentioned among engineers and builders. After all, who wants to tell their constituents that they burned through untold billoins of Euros, driven hundreds of thousands of people into poverty with insane power prices, and all they can show for it is more and more coal plants that are actually doing the work.
Because that is the reality. Future is in fusion, and transitional power will be coal, nuclear, oil/gas/biomass burners and hydro/geothermal where geographically available. Wind will remain a footnote, that is there to appease the believers, nothing else, nothing more, until we have a breakthrough in science both in terms of power grid technlology and mechanics to make both microgeneration and durability of turbines sufficient.
And that is about as far away as fusion, which is also mainly limited by material science limitations at the moment.
As a result, I conclude that beyond wishful mass-poverty inducing thinking, sustainable wind power is unlikely to ever provide functional transitional power until fusion comes along.
What you have is a list based on current price.
What you do not understand is that price is but one factor of actual cost. Power is baseline necessity. As a result, there are several factors to it which are not factored into monetary cost, such as reliability, availability and functionality. Costs merely relay the end user costs after local governing body absorbs all those things.
As for wind and solar being cheaper than coal, there are two options. You are either ignorant or stupid. We need massive breakthroughs in:
1. Material sciences and technologies.
2. Electrical grid and transformer station technology.
For it to be anywhere close to coal. We have already picked all the low, and even medium high fruit in these. What we have left is extremely complex stuff that takes decades to just progress in a significant fashion.
It's highly unlikely that we'll have any kind of wind and solar parity with coal before we have functional nuclear fusion plants.
ROC government headquartered in Taiwan thinks exactly the same thing. Mainland China is simply temporarily not under its control. Both governments view entirety of China, including mainland and island of Taiwan as their territory.
You are wrong according to both Taiwanese and Chinese. Both view themselves as "China that has rights to controlling all of Chinese territory". I.e. Republic of China government that is located in Taiwan claims that entire mainland China is their territory and Taiwan is just one province.
People's Republic of China that is located on mainland has the exactly same claim. It's basically two different regimes that (mostly, discounting Mongolia issue) agree that China encompasses both Taiwan and mainland, but disagree on which government is legitimate one. This is because both claimed to be legitimate governments back in the days of civil war, and one side was simply pushed out of mainland and into Taiwan, but never finished off.
Even Taiwanese tend to forget this because official propaganda doesn't like to talk about this inconvenient truth. However you can check yourself both from history books, or even wikipedia and its sources.
Coal is by far cheapest and most economical however, and modern coal doesn't even pollute. Modern coal burning process in new power plants alone removes most of the nasties like NOx and SO2 emissions and modern filters can eliminate particle exhaust by turning it into ash which can be kept out of atmosphere.
Comparable gas fired plants are much more expensive, nuclear requires extreme investment and country that is politically and geologically stable, hydro requires appropriate geography, oil is less expensive than gas but has problems with price fluctuations and the so called "green power" is prohibitively expensive. Just ask germans, who are among the richest people on the planet and they are reeling from costs to the point where they have a concept of "power poverty" in Germany now.
That is why in spite of lack of subsidies, growing economies build mostly coal. It's cheap, it's reliable and if they bothered to build modern stations instead of rushing, they'd be pretty clean too just like new ones in the West are. It's the uncomfortable reality that after you take away the fluff, coal is likely going to remain the overall best power generation technology for at least another century, or at least until we manage to invent something completely new. Because none of the current technologies can match coal. Which is why it's still being built.
If it weren't for CO2 problem, modern coal burning would be among the greenest ways to generate power. In fact, it could be argued that most of the particle pollution and NOx/SO2 problems currently experienced in China and India would be fixed by transitioning crappy basic coal plants that these countries are full of and replacing them with modern coal plants.
It's not that engineers want to build coal. It's that in developing nations (and in many cases developed nations) often there's simply no real other choice.
My time is so important that I'm viewing this site from last firefox I find to have a usable UI: 3.6.28.
At this point, microsoft's browser is actually better. Sadly.
The only thing that keeps many of us on FF are add-ons.
The chore comes from having to spend minutes to hours to some cases days researching how to unfuck yet another UI snafu that mozilla's designers pushed in the update.
Monopoly is natural outcome of unregulated capitalism. Take a look at what was happening in US in early 20th century.
And as of typing this, three ignorant fools modded you insightful.
Do you know what happens in reality, behind those pretty words and talking points that are carefully fed to you via mass media? When your megatelco sees competition it:
1. Blocks peering at local exchanges which it mostly controls, or puts in prices so high that fledgling business goes under.
2. Lowers its user prices for a short period, dumping the price and bankrupting the competitor. Then pushing prices to even higher level to gain the money lost back.
3. Buys new competitor out outright.
4. Uses local bought and paid for legislature to block the competitor.
5. Reminds its contacts in the local media to talk about 4. as if it's the fault of the government, and that more deregulation is needed to control 1-4. And so useful idiot like yourself types up that wonderful ideological drivel that is being carefully fed to him and he gets to parrot, and three other ignorant fools mod him insightful.
You misunderstand yet again. I'm not talking about your beliefs in terms of what is a correct justice system, but the beliefs of what certain terms mean and your complete intolerance (to the point of insulting) for the fact that in other cultures those terms mean completely different things.
I can see that you are too invested in your own beliefs to be swayed by logic and will resort to complaining about what you have learned to associate with words "life sentence" not being the same world wide.
It's quite a bit like US folks calling socialism "universally evil" as they keep actively practicing it. They just don't call it socialism.
You live in the imaginary world where humans are machines driven only by pure machine logic. I live in the world where humans are humans and when they hear "update with notepad" they turn around and walk away. And they are right - they have far more valuable things to do with their time than learning niche skills like that.
Because if they didn't, you'd have nothing to eat, no clean water to drink, no power to run your computer, no roof over your head and your problem would be protecting yourself from wolves. Because people who focus their time on doing all those things would be learning how to "update hosts list with a notepad" and other similar niche stuff. For which they don't have time or interest in normal world, because they actually have to do all those other tasks that support the current way of life among humans.
So welcome to the real world mr. ubernerd. It's not a nice place, but it lets all of us live together in fairly comfortable way. Because when they want something done, they don't learn the convoluted techie way, but just click on button to install an add-on and let that manage everything automatically on background with zero input from them.
It must be a nice world to live in. I wish I was in the same world as you are, where truth, facts and logic rule.
In real world on the other hand...
And it is people like you who claimed that nokia's old symbian phones were "superior to iphone on all levels".
That didn't end well either. Better luck this time.
In other words, it's managed by a user.
Adblock's lists are managed by adblock automatically with zero input from the user.
The difference is monumental, and your refusal to understand it is hilarious.
Not complexity in computational terms, but complexity in terms of end user action needed.
10 year sentence is about as long effective in terms of prevention as life according to most criminologists. From preventative point of view, as long as you can do an evaluation to keep those few that still pose a threat in prison, the rest should be released.
Vengeance based system views that such risks and assessments are irrelevant, as the goal is not to rehabilitate but to punish.