> Just show up and turn on the computer and type in www.google.com and point out > to the jury that if they've ever used this search engine, they're going to get > sued as well. Then walk out and the case would be thrown out. How easy is that?
Easy, yes. Having a point? No not really.
They would have told you google has no RIAA 'owned' MP3 files on googles servers that google is serving out, and bitch slapped you for wasting the courts time, and then you'd still be no closer to any sort of conclusion.
Also its one entity suing another. There wont be a jury. And when you walked out, you would probably be arrested for being in contempt of court, before the case is thrown out and you are charged guilty.
> Well, just who the hell do you think it is doing it?
This attack was extreamly small as far as DDoS can go. I dont know why everyone has been saying its a 'them'..
Something on this size is most likely just one person.
Also almost all script kiddies arnt unix/linux people. They may use linux, but only because they think its the application that runs exploits but doesnt work under windows:P
It just reminds me how when one child does something wrong, the parents always blame 'the children'. Point the finger at the guilty party, not the entire group of whatever groups they may be in.
All of the prices you are saying are too high are the ones i directly quoted from the parent post i was replying to. If that guy says it costs that for the PC platform, since he is bashing macs about their price, i assumed knew what he was talking about.
I purposly used his own numbers so he couldnt say i was inflating prices like you just said i did (thanks):P
Also you took about 4 totally non related ideas in my post, mixed them together in your mind, and replied accordingly.
Where you are pointing out the $300 vid card and $200 sound card. Those are not figures in my cost in that post at all. I added those in a side comment (as one should read things in these brackets here) to let you know what *I* paid.. then i went on to say the video card and sound card together at most will be $300 total. No $100 mobo will have onboard sound or video worth crap.
Also how does a harddrive with windows come with a computer you are building yourself? Building a computer is what im talking about (obviously since im listing parts you wouldnt buy for a prebuilt machine, like a case) yet you are the 2nd person to think a computer you build yourself will magically come with a harddrive you dont buy, and it will have windows on it from the HD manufacturer somehow licenced to you.
Also to point out the fact, i didnt choose the most expensive (as i proved by saying what i paid for parts, which was majorly more than what i used in my examples, as i personally wanted the best at the time, and my example is only making the hardware equal to what is in a macintosh, not better) That was the point of my post BTW, to compare parts in a home build PC made to have the same features as a mac that comes with those parts.
I mean if a mac comes with a 64mb vid card and your onboard PC mobo has a card with 4 or 8mb, how can you say its the same thing at all? And you will not find a motherboard with all of the high end hardware on it for under $100.
I really am interested in where you have found dual channel firewire cards that you could also order a gigabit ethernet with for under $100. The dual firewire cards are $80 at the cheapest location pricewatch has to offer.
I also want to know where these magic harddrives with windows legally installed come from when your building your PC from scratch. Ive always bought my disks. Where are you getting yours from? I'd like to take advantage of that offer too!
The way I see it, copyright is a _service_ that we, the people, provide to artists. The cost of this service of copyright is that we, the people, get your work after 17 years.
As far as i'm concerned, there is a huge past due debt owed to us, the people, by the copyright holders.
They have shown they have no plans to make good on their part of the deal. So I am no longer providing this service of copyright to these thieves.
You know what happens when you dont pay your ISP or phone company or cable bill? They shut your service off till you do pay.
The service of copyright is shut off to these holders as far as im concerned. They dont want us to 'break' copyright? They shouldnt have broken the deal first.
Only in america can you get away with renigging on a government provided contract for a service, not pay for that service, and then sue us for not honouring the service that we have not been paid for.
The government really needs to bitch slap these artists and copyright holders, just like a collection agency does to the same type of thieves that dont pay their bills.
Macs are best compared in price to pre-made PCs, not home built ones. The main reason this is true is because Macs, like pre-built PCs, come with TONS of things that you may or may not want or need (But still pay for.)
If you build your own PC, you put in (and pay for) just what you want, and add the things you dont want later on when you want them, thus spreading the cost out over time so it doesnt appear to be the total it is (even so that total would be cheaper than buying a pre-made PC or a Mac)
As for my comments on linux on the desktop, I ran that way for about 2 years (not quite, but almost, and unfortunatly not much less) between when my sold off my first mac and I became overly pissed at windows 98.
I think Win98 and X11 is about the same level of 'nasty' as far as the experence goes, they just are both nasty in very different ways and for different reasons.
Unfortunatly Windows XP fixes alot of these (Of course it introduces all new problems that didnt exist in 98, but thats a different story)
On my Athlon XP 2100+ with a gig of ram and a radeon 8500 AIW AGP card, i can still see X11 drawing windows! Like, i can watch the windows slowly form on screen. It only takes a second or two, but christ, any other GUI OS can pretty much do that in under a 10th of a second.
I also like having things like a clipboard that uses the same commands in every program, instead of different clipboards in each program:P
Granted none of these problems are with Linux, they are all with X11 (Something I should have listed correctly in my first post) but X11 hasnt really come much closer to being a decent GUI envirnment since it was made, where as Windows and MacOS have been actually changing and getting better over all this time.
About the only change recently in XFree is the feature in 4.x that lets it auto-generate a config file for you that mostly works. Windows and MacOS (Any anything else for that matter) can put stuff on my screen without me having to learn more about scanlines than i ever wanted to know:P Granted XFree half fixed that (It still screws up more often than not on hardware older than 2 years) but its sad it took them almost 10 years to add that basic feature.
When i ran X11, after trying numerous window managers and envirnments like gnome/kde, i ended up using a WM called Ratpoison, which does for X11 what screen does to a terminal.
At that point i realized, the GUI was so horible to use I made it work text based and without the mouse for the most part. (I made the GUI work like a non GUI, defeating the point of having the GUI in the first place)
My CDE experence was on older Sparc hardware, which if you have used, you will know why that is to be hated;)
X11 doesnt run near these speeds on any machine ive tried it on, apples X11 included.
> Previously, It was to keep employees from stealing. If something is $0.99 they > have to make change for the customer, where if it were $1.00 they wouldn't
Hmm, sorry, I don't see the connection there. How does the making change issue matter on employees stealing?
And wasnt tax around before that? $0.99 before tax is $1.06 after tax (here atleast) So change will most likely still need to be made if its paid in all bills.
Concidering everyone else is still stuck on MP3, which is not open at all (and is even more expensive than AAC to use) you can hardly fault apple for this. Their option is no worse than what anyone else is using.
Its amazing, apple offers many features that everyone conciders great, and on this one feature they do basically the same thing (use a closed format like everyone else), and thats the feature that gets bashed.
MP3 is closed, and requires licencing to make encoders or decoders. redbook (audio CDs) are also closed format and requires licencing (Though i dont know about the costs for that one) AAC is closed.
Seems to be you should be bitching at EVERYONE that isnt the 0.01% of the population that uses a computer and OGG, not just apple.
> I love macs and all, but what if I want to listen to downloaded music on the > equipment I invested in that only supports MP3? AAC wont work in my Aiwa > CDC-MP3, will it? NO. Guess I stay with Limewire.
Thats wierd logic. Why did you even buy that Aiwa CDC-MP3 at all then?
I mean, what if you want to listen to a VHS tape on that aiwa? can it read that? Nope. And you just said thats reason enough not to buy it... that a devide made to play one format cant play any others and all.
And will your CD player play tapes? nope, better not use CDs. Oh, will your tape player play records? Nope, guess you shouldnt invest in tapes either.
If you buy hardware that can only read one medium type, then *gasp**shock* it can only read one medium type!
Also why did you choose MP3, a closed and requires-licencing format, when there are perfectly open and free formats to choose from like redbook (CD audio) or WAV, or even AIFF or OGG. MP3 is just as closed as AAC, and MP3 is more expensive to licence the code to make those files (dont know the cost of decoders, but i believe mpeg charges for that too)
And since we are on the subject, why did you choose MP3, being one small part of a whole? Using mp3 to store just audio is like using a VHS tape to store just audio as well. Possible, and of course it works, but its a video format for crying out loud!!! Use an audio encoding!
Oh, wait, i see.. your last line points it out perfectly. You'd rather just pirate things. Well why didnt you just say so to start with! I'm all aginst copyright as its enforced as well, but there is no need to lie about your motives or anything like that:P
> Can't wait for no DRM? That is like saying you can't wait until Best Buy gets > rid of those pesky cashiers. Why don't they just trust me to leave an > appropriate amount of money for the goods that I walk out of the store with?? > They are treating me like a criminal. Wah.
Sad part is, even thou the above was posted by an AC and modded down to -1 flamebait, he's 100% right and not flaming anything at all.
Those moderators should be ashamed.
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Apparently (and I know almost nothing about CD-ROM formats, so I'm sure to be corrected in the following 10 posts), Sega accomplished this by basically removing some (all?) of the error correction that a normal CD-ROM has on it. Yes, there's that much. ~~~
Here is that correction you predicted:)
Actually it has nothing to do with error correction (There isnt that much, and even so, a GD-rom has the same error correction used on CDs and DVDs depending which part of the disc you are referring to)
The GD-ROM disc has two sections. One is formatted like a normal CD track. The other is much more dense and 'custom' but best described as 'DVD like' The CD track can only hold about 400mb. In the remaining, usually, 300mb, it has DVD-like formatting, which actually can hold over 600mb, which is why the disc can hold just over a gig.
I dont remember the exact specs of the discs, but if you google around you could find more details than either of us wants to know:)
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> What don't you fucking Mac zealots not understand about me buying a $300 PC > that's just as fast as a $2750 Mac? So, I buy a $600 (with DVD burner) PC and I > pay $500 for DVD authoring software. I am still WAY under Mac prices.
The point he was making was, if you want to buy the hardware and software for your $300 PC to make it do everything that $2750 mac can do, you will spend way way more on the PC's accessories. Lets also not forget that a Mac capable of what he was claiming is no where near $2750. Closer to $2000 and under, depending what you get.
So its $300 (PC) + $300 (burner, using your numbers above) + $500 for DVD software which = $1100, yet you forget a PC needs a good sound card and video card as most new boxes come with crap (Or home build comes with nothing) so there is another $300 or more for both (Personally i paid $400 for my pcs video card alone, and over $200 on its soundcard, but i assume im an exception), which brings us to $1400. Also your PC needs more than just CPU/Mobo/RAM (which is all your $300 number could really include) You will probably want a case/power supply as well, so add another $100 for a nice one which is now $1500.
Then to bring that to the level of a mac, you need to add USB/firewire. USB most likely is on the mobo, but not firewire for the prices you quoted. So lets add $100 for the dual firewire controller (Gotta match a mac, remember) so thats another $100 (technically just under, but im rounding up to avoid dealing with tax/shipping) so now were at $1600. Gigabit ethernet will be another 100, so $1700.
I should assume Windows here for your PC, which adds almost $200 most likely. While yes you could use Linux, lets be real here, Linux cant do desktop jobs anywhere close to as well Windows or Macs can.
If you use linux, you'll not be anywhere close, so price doesnt matter (Its like saying a dounut is better than a car because its cheaper. Well, not if you want to drive it somewhere. Linux is cheaper, but not if you want it for desktop use, in which case it just wont work well at all) So assuming windows, that raises the price to $1900.
You'll need a disk (atleast one) so lets add another $100 for 120 gig. Now were at an even $2000.
My iBook cost that much and is a laptop. I can get the same desktop Mac for around $1200.
The $1200 mac which is fairly close hardware wise to the $2000 PC above is much cheaper, almost twice as so. You would have to rip so much *standard* hardware out of your PC, or use cheap shitty crappy hardware (Win modem, single chip 100mbit tulip ethernet card, which cant push more than 40mbit/sec, no firewire, usb1 vs 2, etc) just to get close to that price.
If the mac didnt come with any of that nice decent hardware, it would cost $300 too.
And being someone that uses 4 different hardware architectures and 7 different OSes accrost them, I am hardly a mac zealot.
A zealot is a person that believes that their 'tool' is always the best for every job, when in fact that is never the case. You bash mac users for supposidly doing this, yet you are trying to tell us your $300 PC with no hardware in it so it cant actually do anything (like display video or make sound or talk on a network) is the best tool for every job.
That said, you being a PC zealot, i can see why you posted annon.
> You can't sue Mozilla because kiddie porn showed up on somebody's browser.
You can if the image was in a format you own the pattent on, and mozilla didn't licence it from you.
Look at the gif pattent issue. They wernt going after people WITH gif images, they were going after people that made software to create gif images when they did not licence the compression formula from them.
> I do wonder how many record labels are signing up with this service though? They > make money ripping people off and this may cut into their profits.
They make zero to little money if noone buys their stuff in the first place:)
> I'm still a bit confused with the pervasive attitude that there is nothing wrong > with services like Napster and that trading music is okay.
If people dont want their information taken, they shouldnt give it out to the public. Its as simple as that. A song put on a cd or played on the radio will be heard. Thus by definition, you cant prevent it from being heard or known about. You lose control over it once you give it to someone else.
Dont like that? Dont give it out. Pretty damn simple.
> I'm in the entertainment industry myself and things are getting rougher > by the day.
May i suggest, get a real job?
> Where does it say that all intellectual property should be free?
In the definition of 'intellectual property'. You cant own an idea.
You can have an idea and keep it to yourself. But people making music arnt doing that (Or atleast not these people.) Even then, someone else will most likely eventually come up with that idea too.
So, what ever gave you the idea that intellectual property should _NOT_ be free?
Copyright was setup in the USA so that an artist can have legal stranglehold over a work for a limited time in exchange for that work being released for the benifit of mankind.
Looks to me like the artists are trying to renig on that deal. So i say fuck them. Im reniging on my part of it too.
You dont wanna give your works to the public after 17 years? Fine. I dont want to honour your copyright. You play fair, then I will.
> Artist have a right to get paid for their work.
Nobody has a right to get paid for anything. If your work sucks, you have no right at all to force me to pay for it. If your work isnt something i want, you have no right at all to force me to pay for it.
Does this give us the right to take it anyways? See my above point. You play by the copyright rules and give your shit to us at the end of the 17 years, and THEN i will too play by the copyright rules and let you have those 17 years to profit.
> Taking that work without compensation is stealing.
No, taking something so you no longer have it but i do is stealing. Taking someones work without compensation is copyright voilation. Again, see my above point on copyright.
Until you care about the fact you are breaking copyright law by not giving us your works after 17 years, why should i at all care that im breaking copyright law too?
> Saying it is because the record companies over charge for CDs is rationalizing > the act. If the government doesn't go after Napsterlike orginizations should > they go after the individuals doing the trading?
Actually the government should go after the copyright holders and force THEM to abide by the law before worrying about us.
> It may feel like you are getting away with something by swapping music but in > the long run you aren't. Without the influx of money the record industry will > have to downsize.
So? As i said, they have no right to take money from me if i dont wish to give it to them. As it seems, alot of people dont want the recording industry to have their money. In the USA, this means your company will fail. Its capitolizm. Dont like it? Move to china.
> It will be ten times harder for new bands to make it and the selection of music > will be a fraction of what it is now.
The funny part is, there are more people that make music because they enjoy it, than there are people that make music to get rich.
I could care less if the 'i just want money' bands go away. The real talent lies in those that know about music, not about wanting money.
> The record companies won't loose in the long run. > They already got rich. > You'll loose.
Bank robbers get rich too. So do companys like enron. Guess your right, we lose, they win. (That was my only sarcastic remark in this post by the
That is unless you want to keep those pictures for more than 6-8 years...
CDR's degrade over time and lose data. (Cheaper ones in my experence dont even last 6 years, more like 3-4)
I hope writtable DVD media doesnt have the same problems, but i fear it will. dvd[-/+]r[w] would be a great backup medium if it didnt fail after a number of years.
> How do you explain how they got to be excellent products, given your "business > model" argument?
Well in all fairness he is right, for the most part none of those items are making the creators money by having the software sold.
Some of those packages are making money for the company in other ways, but none of them are rich compared to say MS or Apple or what have you.
BUT Business modal = making money Having excelent software has nothing to do with either of those two points unless the creator wants it to. And that is why those software packages exist. They were never made to make money, they were made because the creator wanted to have something that worked well for them, and thankfully they shared it and it works just as well for most of us too.
Free software isnt made by business people, its made by people that want or even need the software, or possibly (heaven forbid) enjoy making software. None of those things are part of a business modal.
Its fortunate for us that business does not make the world go round, and isnt as importaint as businesses would like to think.
Where as the grandparent poster says free software isnt a good business modal, I say hes right and we dont care because one should always use the best software for the job, no matter if the software was made to make the creator rich, or made just cuz the creator wanted to make it.
> If someone else (probably your parents, maybe the government eventually?) defines > what "better" is by picking your genes for you, how do you have any control over > your own destiny?
The same way you do now. Having your genes picked by a person vs having them picked at random. Neither one has anything to do with your destiny.
You sorta have to pick a side, you cant have bits and pieces of both.
Have you ever taken a pill to have an effect on your body, say something to clear up alergys or a headache or something. You do realize no one, including the companys that make those drugs, know 100% what they are doing. They know the basics, and then they test to make sure nothing 'strange' happens. They never know from the start. Do you suggest we ban all medicine too?
Why not ban food, after all we cant be 100% sure how our body will react. it may be a poison! better not even try to figure it out just incase.
Medical drugs are like a computer poking at its own hardware. Genetics is like us changing the software on the machines that make us. There is really no difference except in the manor they go about performing that action.
Do you feel any less in control of your destiny since your parents no doubt had you innoculated for common illnesses as a kid? God knows someone that wasnt you definatly chose what to innoculate you for, and you had no more say so in it than you do now.
So instead of the old way of infecting you with a very weak strain of these bugs, forcing your body to learn how to fight it off, but not give it so much it will lose that fight, ends up teaching it how to fight them off later when it may just be too much. Why do that when you can just code the information in us from the start?
Exact same outcome, except genetics can do it faster and more effecently.
Its bad enough we have our government using the DMCA to make it illegal to modify hardware we own. Now you are trying to enforce the idea on us that we are not allowed to modify our own bodys that we also own. And yet you claim to want to have control over your destiny? Well stop trying to take that control away from me!
Some of the things you saw/read there sound really interesting.
Do you happen to have any URLs to sites explaining some of those exparaments by chance? I'm off to google for some stuff now, but figured you may already have the creem of the crop as far as websites may go:)
> When someone says "128k isn't broadband," use the context clue of "128k" to mean > that they're referring to bandwidth capacity, not broad/baseband and what's > actually going over the wire.
What? huh?
Someone said "128k isn't broadband" That statement is false.
Both words are present, so they were clearly referring to both its bandwidth, and its broadband status, in the same line, then making a comparison saying the two are not equal.
Even using your statement, and i assume they are talking about bandwidth anyways. Ok, so? "128k isn't broadband" is still false for ANY value of bandwidth you could possibly stick in there!
> What's the point of running Linux on your Xbox? Linux runs fine on a PC.
Thats like asking why even buy a game console, since you can run anything on your PC.
Yea, the whole family just Loves crowding around a 17" monitor at a desk, with 4 shitty joysticks connected to a USB hub, just to play some games with the kids.
Go ask MS why they made the xbox.. then go ask all the other console companys why they made their consoles at all.
That is why its good to have consoles, and run software on them.
I know how to write software for linux already, why should i be forced to learn yet another API, and on top of that pay M$ royalties for each game i make?
> If somebody can enlighten me as to that use for the XBOX running Linux, then I'd > be happy to be a proponent of it.
Well, in the case with BSD on the dreamcast atleast, I wanted that so I could write some software (be it games or whatever) and take a disc to a friends, pop it in their dreamcast, and showoff.
To do this the 'normal' way would cost thousands upon thousands of dollars for a sony devel kit, plus id have to pay a fee for each disc they pressed. Fuck that.
Sounds like a good reason to get linux on xbox too.
adj 1: of or relating to or being a communications network in which the bandwidth can be divided and shared by multiple simultaneous signals (as for voice or data or video) 2: responding to or operating at a wide band of frequencies; "a broadband antenna"
communications - A transmission medium capable of supporting a wide range of frequencies, typically from audio up to video frequencies. It can carry multiple signals by dividing the total capacity of the medium into multiple, independent bandwidth channels, where each channel operates only on a specific range of frequencies.
In the case of DSL, its IP and phone. In the case of cable, its IP and video/audio.
In the case of ISDN, a modem, or a T1, its all Data. Even a modem is only data OVER a voice medium.. modems use phonelines, which are audio only. ISDN is the reverse, its voice OVER data. But ISDN is data only. As its T1 and greater (Which is just ISDN as well)
> The solution? require ISPs to list the speed on the front page. but then, they'd > have to think about reasonable rates... what a phenomenon! Just think if starband > had to start advertising 256k/128k for ONLY $79/month!!
That however is 100% correct, and companys should have to do this. Of course that lets them scam people less, so they wont. But heres to hoping with ya:}
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> Just show up and turn on the computer and type in www.google.com and point out
> to the jury that if they've ever used this search engine, they're going to get
> sued as well. Then walk out and the case would be thrown out. How easy is that?
Easy, yes. Having a point? No not really.
They would have told you google has no RIAA 'owned' MP3 files on googles servers that google is serving out, and bitch slapped you for wasting the courts time, and then you'd still be no closer to any sort of conclusion.
Also its one entity suing another. There wont be a jury.
And when you walked out, you would probably be arrested for being in contempt of court, before the case is thrown out and you are charged guilty.
> Well, just who the hell do you think it is doing it?
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This attack was extreamly small as far as DDoS can go.
I dont know why everyone has been saying its a 'them'..
Something on this size is most likely just one person.
Also almost all script kiddies arnt unix/linux people. They may use linux, but only because they think its the application that runs exploits but doesnt work under windows
It just reminds me how when one child does something wrong, the parents always blame 'the children'. Point the finger at the guilty party, not the entire group of whatever groups they may be in.
All of the prices you are saying are too high are the ones i directly quoted from the parent post i was replying to.
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If that guy says it costs that for the PC platform, since he is bashing macs about their price, i assumed knew what he was talking about.
I purposly used his own numbers so he couldnt say i was inflating prices like you just said i did (thanks)
Also you took about 4 totally non related ideas in my post, mixed them together in your mind, and replied accordingly.
Where you are pointing out the $300 vid card and $200 sound card. Those are not figures in my cost in that post at all.
I added those in a side comment (as one should read things in these brackets here) to let you know what *I* paid.. then i went on to say the video card and sound card together at most will be $300 total.
No $100 mobo will have onboard sound or video worth crap.
Also how does a harddrive with windows come with a computer you are building yourself? Building a computer is what im talking about (obviously since im listing parts you wouldnt buy for a prebuilt machine, like a case) yet you are the 2nd person to think a computer you build yourself will magically come with a harddrive you dont buy, and it will have windows on it from the HD manufacturer somehow licenced to you.
Also to point out the fact, i didnt choose the most expensive (as i proved by saying what i paid for parts, which was majorly more than what i used in my examples, as i personally wanted the best at the time, and my example is only making the hardware equal to what is in a macintosh, not better)
That was the point of my post BTW, to compare parts in a home build PC made to have the same features as a mac that comes with those parts.
I mean if a mac comes with a 64mb vid card and your onboard PC mobo has a card with 4 or 8mb, how can you say its the same thing at all?
And you will not find a motherboard with all of the high end hardware on it for under $100.
I really am interested in where you have found dual channel firewire cards that you could also order a gigabit ethernet with for under $100.
The dual firewire cards are $80 at the cheapest location pricewatch has to offer.
I also want to know where these magic harddrives with windows legally installed come from when your building your PC from scratch. Ive always bought my disks. Where are you getting yours from? I'd like to take advantage of that offer too!
The way I see it, copyright is a _service_ that we, the people, provide to artists.
The cost of this service of copyright is that we, the people, get your work after 17 years.
As far as i'm concerned, there is a huge past due debt owed to us, the people, by the copyright holders.
They have shown they have no plans to make good on their part of the deal. So I am no longer providing this service of copyright to these thieves.
You know what happens when you dont pay your ISP or phone company or cable bill? They shut your service off till you do pay.
The service of copyright is shut off to these holders as far as im concerned.
They dont want us to 'break' copyright? They shouldnt have broken the deal first.
Only in america can you get away with renigging on a government provided contract for a service, not pay for that service, and then sue us for not honouring the service that we have not been paid for.
The government really needs to bitch slap these artists and copyright holders, just like a collection agency does to the same type of thieves that dont pay their bills.
Macs are best compared in price to pre-made PCs, not home built ones.
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The main reason this is true is because Macs, like pre-built PCs, come with TONS of things that you may or may not want or need (But still pay for.)
If you build your own PC, you put in (and pay for) just what you want, and add the things you dont want later on when you want them, thus spreading the cost out over time so it doesnt appear to be the total it is (even so that total would be cheaper than buying a pre-made PC or a Mac)
As for my comments on linux on the desktop, I ran that way for about 2 years (not quite, but almost, and unfortunatly not much less) between when my sold off my first mac and I became overly pissed at windows 98.
I think Win98 and X11 is about the same level of 'nasty' as far as the experence goes, they just are both nasty in very different ways and for different reasons.
Unfortunatly Windows XP fixes alot of these (Of course it introduces all new problems that didnt exist in 98, but thats a different story)
On my Athlon XP 2100+ with a gig of ram and a radeon 8500 AIW AGP card, i can still see X11 drawing windows!
Like, i can watch the windows slowly form on screen.
It only takes a second or two, but christ, any other GUI OS can pretty much do that in under a 10th of a second.
I also like having things like a clipboard that uses the same commands in every program, instead of different clipboards in each program
Granted none of these problems are with Linux, they are all with X11 (Something I should have listed correctly in my first post) but X11 hasnt really come much closer to being a decent GUI envirnment since it was made, where as Windows and MacOS have been actually changing and getting better over all this time.
About the only change recently in XFree is the feature in 4.x that lets it auto-generate a config file for you that mostly works.
Windows and MacOS (Any anything else for that matter) can put stuff on my screen without me having to learn more about scanlines than i ever wanted to know
Granted XFree half fixed that (It still screws up more often than not on hardware older than 2 years) but its sad it took them almost 10 years to add that basic feature.
When i ran X11, after trying numerous window managers and envirnments like gnome/kde, i ended up using a WM called Ratpoison, which does for X11 what screen does to a terminal.
At that point i realized, the GUI was so horible to use I made it work text based and without the mouse for the most part.
(I made the GUI work like a non GUI, defeating the point of having the GUI in the first place)
My CDE experence was on older Sparc hardware, which if you have used, you will know why that is to be hated
X11 doesnt run near these speeds on any machine ive tried it on, apples X11 included.
> Previously, It was to keep employees from stealing. If something is $0.99 they
> have to make change for the customer, where if it were $1.00 they wouldn't
Hmm, sorry, I don't see the connection there.
How does the making change issue matter on employees stealing?
And wasnt tax around before that?
$0.99 before tax is $1.06 after tax (here atleast)
So change will most likely still need to be made if its paid in all bills.
> How about 'an open format' ?
Concidering everyone else is still stuck on MP3, which is not open at all (and is even more expensive than AAC to use) you can hardly fault apple for this.
Their option is no worse than what anyone else is using.
Its amazing, apple offers many features that everyone conciders great, and on this one feature they do basically the same thing (use a closed format like everyone else), and thats the feature that gets bashed.
MP3 is closed, and requires licencing to make encoders or decoders.
redbook (audio CDs) are also closed format and requires licencing (Though i dont know about the costs for that one)
AAC is closed.
Seems to be you should be bitching at EVERYONE that isnt the 0.01% of the population that uses a computer and OGG, not just apple.
> I love macs and all, but what if I want to listen to downloaded music on the
:P
> equipment I invested in that only supports MP3? AAC wont work in my Aiwa
> CDC-MP3, will it? NO. Guess I stay with Limewire.
Thats wierd logic.
Why did you even buy that Aiwa CDC-MP3 at all then?
I mean, what if you want to listen to a VHS tape on that aiwa? can it read that? Nope. And you just said thats reason enough not to buy it... that a devide made to play one format cant play any others and all.
And will your CD player play tapes? nope, better not use CDs.
Oh, will your tape player play records? Nope, guess you shouldnt invest in tapes either.
If you buy hardware that can only read one medium type, then *gasp**shock* it can only read one medium type!
Also why did you choose MP3, a closed and requires-licencing format, when there are perfectly open and free formats to choose from like redbook (CD audio) or WAV, or even AIFF or OGG.
MP3 is just as closed as AAC, and MP3 is more expensive to licence the code to make those files (dont know the cost of decoders, but i believe mpeg charges for that too)
And since we are on the subject, why did you choose MP3, being one small part of a whole? Using mp3 to store just audio is like using a VHS tape to store just audio as well. Possible, and of course it works, but its a video format for crying out loud!!! Use an audio encoding!
Oh, wait, i see.. your last line points it out perfectly.
You'd rather just pirate things.
Well why didnt you just say so to start with!
I'm all aginst copyright as its enforced as well, but there is no need to lie about your motives or anything like that
> Can't wait for no DRM? That is like saying you can't wait until Best Buy gets
> rid of those pesky cashiers. Why don't they just trust me to leave an
> appropriate amount of money for the goods that I walk out of the store with??
> They are treating me like a criminal. Wah.
Sad part is, even thou the above was posted by an AC and modded down to -1 flamebait, he's 100% right and not flaming anything at all.
Those moderators should be ashamed.
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Apparently (and I know almost nothing about CD-ROM formats, so I'm sure to be corrected in the following 10 posts), Sega accomplished this by basically removing some (all?) of the error correction that a normal CD-ROM has on it. Yes, there's that much.
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Here is that correction you predicted
Actually it has nothing to do with error correction (There isnt that much, and even so, a GD-rom has the same error correction used on CDs and DVDs depending which part of the disc you are referring to)
The GD-ROM disc has two sections. One is formatted like a normal CD track. The other is much more dense and 'custom' but best described as 'DVD like'
The CD track can only hold about 400mb. In the remaining, usually, 300mb, it has DVD-like formatting, which actually can hold over 600mb, which is why the disc can hold just over a gig.
I dont remember the exact specs of the discs, but if you google around you could find more details than either of us wants to know
> What don't you fucking Mac zealots not understand about me buying a $300 PC
> that's just as fast as a $2750 Mac? So, I buy a $600 (with DVD burner) PC and I
> pay $500 for DVD authoring software. I am still WAY under Mac prices.
The point he was making was, if you want to buy the hardware and software for your $300 PC to make it do everything that $2750 mac can do, you will spend way way more on the PC's accessories. Lets also not forget that a Mac capable of what he was claiming is no where near $2750. Closer to $2000 and under, depending what you get.
So its $300 (PC) + $300 (burner, using your numbers above) + $500 for DVD software which = $1100, yet you forget a PC needs a good sound card and video card as most new boxes come with crap (Or home build comes with nothing) so there is another $300 or more for both (Personally i paid $400 for my pcs video card alone, and over $200 on its soundcard, but i assume im an exception), which brings us to $1400.
Also your PC needs more than just CPU/Mobo/RAM (which is all your $300 number could really include)
You will probably want a case/power supply as well, so add another $100 for a nice one which is now $1500.
Then to bring that to the level of a mac, you need to add USB/firewire. USB most likely is on the mobo, but not firewire for the prices you quoted. So lets add $100 for the dual firewire controller (Gotta match a mac, remember) so thats another $100 (technically just under, but im rounding up to avoid dealing with tax/shipping) so now were at $1600.
Gigabit ethernet will be another 100, so $1700.
I should assume Windows here for your PC, which adds almost $200 most likely. While yes you could use Linux, lets be real here, Linux cant do desktop jobs anywhere close to as well Windows or Macs can.
If you use linux, you'll not be anywhere close, so price doesnt matter (Its like saying a dounut is better than a car because its cheaper. Well, not if you want to drive it somewhere. Linux is cheaper, but not if you want it for desktop use, in which case it just wont work well at all)
So assuming windows, that raises the price to $1900.
You'll need a disk (atleast one) so lets add another $100 for 120 gig.
Now were at an even $2000.
My iBook cost that much and is a laptop.
I can get the same desktop Mac for around $1200.
The $1200 mac which is fairly close hardware wise to the $2000 PC above is much cheaper, almost twice as so.
You would have to rip so much *standard* hardware out of your PC, or use cheap shitty crappy hardware (Win modem, single chip 100mbit tulip ethernet card, which cant push more than 40mbit/sec, no firewire, usb1 vs 2, etc) just to get close to that price.
If the mac didnt come with any of that nice decent hardware, it would cost $300 too.
And being someone that uses 4 different hardware architectures and 7 different OSes accrost them, I am hardly a mac zealot.
A zealot is a person that believes that their 'tool' is always the best for every job, when in fact that is never the case.
You bash mac users for supposidly doing this, yet you are trying to tell us your $300 PC with no hardware in it so it cant actually do anything (like display video or make sound or talk on a network) is the best tool for every job.
That said, you being a PC zealot, i can see why you posted annon.
> You can't sue Mozilla because kiddie porn showed up on somebody's browser.
You can if the image was in a format you own the pattent on, and mozilla didn't licence it from you.
Look at the gif pattent issue. They wernt going after people WITH gif images, they were going after people that made software to create gif images when they did not licence the compression formula from them.
> I do wonder how many record labels are signing up with this service though? They
:)
> make money ripping people off and this may cut into their profits.
They make zero to little money if noone buys their stuff in the first place
> I'm still a bit confused with the pervasive attitude that there is nothing wrong
> with services like Napster and that trading music is okay.
If people dont want their information taken, they shouldnt give it out to the public. Its as simple as that.
A song put on a cd or played on the radio will be heard. Thus by definition, you cant prevent it from being heard or known about. You lose control over it once you give it to someone else.
Dont like that? Dont give it out. Pretty damn simple.
> I'm in the entertainment industry myself and things are getting rougher
> by the day.
May i suggest, get a real job?
> Where does it say that all intellectual property should be free?
In the definition of 'intellectual property'.
You cant own an idea.
You can have an idea and keep it to yourself. But people making music arnt doing that (Or atleast not these people.) Even then, someone else will most likely eventually come up with that idea too.
So, what ever gave you the idea that intellectual property should _NOT_ be free?
Copyright was setup in the USA so that an artist can have legal stranglehold over a work for a limited time in exchange for that work being released for the benifit of mankind.
Looks to me like the artists are trying to renig on that deal. So i say fuck them. Im reniging on my part of it too.
You dont wanna give your works to the public after 17 years? Fine. I dont want to honour your copyright. You play fair, then I will.
> Artist have a right to get paid for their work.
Nobody has a right to get paid for anything.
If your work sucks, you have no right at all to force me to pay for it.
If your work isnt something i want, you have no right at all to force me to pay for it.
Does this give us the right to take it anyways? See my above point.
You play by the copyright rules and give your shit to us at the end of the 17 years, and THEN i will too play by the copyright rules and let you have those 17 years to profit.
> Taking that work without compensation is stealing.
No, taking something so you no longer have it but i do is stealing.
Taking someones work without compensation is copyright voilation.
Again, see my above point on copyright.
Until you care about the fact you are breaking copyright law by not giving us your works after 17 years, why should i at all care that im breaking copyright law too?
> Saying it is because the record companies over charge for CDs is rationalizing
> the act. If the government doesn't go after Napsterlike orginizations should
> they go after the individuals doing the trading?
Actually the government should go after the copyright holders and force THEM to abide by the law before worrying about us.
> It may feel like you are getting away with something by swapping music but in
> the long run you aren't. Without the influx of money the record industry will
> have to downsize.
So? As i said, they have no right to take money from me if i dont wish to give it to them.
As it seems, alot of people dont want the recording industry to have their money. In the USA, this means your company will fail. Its capitolizm. Dont like it? Move to china.
> It will be ten times harder for new bands to make it and the selection of music
> will be a fraction of what it is now.
The funny part is, there are more people that make music because they enjoy it, than there are people that make music to get rich.
I could care less if the 'i just want money' bands go away.
The real talent lies in those that know about music, not about wanting money.
> The record companies won't loose in the long run.
> They already got rich.
> You'll loose.
Bank robbers get rich too. So do companys like enron.
Guess your right, we lose, they win.
(That was my only sarcastic remark in this post by the
> Both are best strored on CDRW.
That is unless you want to keep those pictures for more than 6-8 years...
CDR's degrade over time and lose data.
(Cheaper ones in my experence dont even last 6 years, more like 3-4)
I hope writtable DVD media doesnt have the same problems, but i fear it will.
dvd[-/+]r[w] would be a great backup medium if it didnt fail after a number of years.
Hate to tell you, but vonage only offers IP phones.
:)
You have their service yet dont know this?
By the way, welcome to the discussion on cell phone carriers
> How do you explain how they got to be excellent products, given your "business
> model" argument?
Well in all fairness he is right, for the most part none of those items are making the creators money by having the software sold.
Some of those packages are making money for the company in other ways, but none of them are rich compared to say MS or Apple or what have you.
BUT
Business modal = making money
Having excelent software has nothing to do with either of those two points unless the creator wants it to. And that is why those software packages exist. They were never made to make money, they were made because the creator wanted to have something that worked well for them, and thankfully they shared it and it works just as well for most of us too.
Free software isnt made by business people, its made by people that want or even need the software, or possibly (heaven forbid) enjoy making software. None of those things are part of a business modal.
Its fortunate for us that business does not make the world go round, and isnt as importaint as businesses would like to think.
Where as the grandparent poster says free software isnt a good business modal, I say hes right and we dont care because one should always use the best software for the job, no matter if the software was made to make the creator rich, or made just cuz the creator wanted to make it.
> If someone else (probably your parents, maybe the government eventually?) defines
> what "better" is by picking your genes for you, how do you have any control over
> your own destiny?
The same way you do now.
Having your genes picked by a person vs having them picked at random. Neither one has anything to do with your destiny.
You sorta have to pick a side, you cant have bits and pieces of both.
Have you ever taken a pill to have an effect on your body, say something to clear up alergys or a headache or something.
You do realize no one, including the companys that make those drugs, know 100% what they are doing. They know the basics, and then they test to make sure nothing 'strange' happens. They never know from the start.
Do you suggest we ban all medicine too?
Why not ban food, after all we cant be 100% sure how our body will react. it may be a poison! better not even try to figure it out just incase.
Medical drugs are like a computer poking at its own hardware. Genetics is like us changing the software on the machines that make us. There is really no difference except in the manor they go about performing that action.
Do you feel any less in control of your destiny since your parents no doubt had you innoculated for common illnesses as a kid?
God knows someone that wasnt you definatly chose what to innoculate you for, and you had no more say so in it than you do now.
So instead of the old way of infecting you with a very weak strain of these bugs, forcing your body to learn how to fight it off, but not give it so much it will lose that fight, ends up teaching it how to fight them off later when it may just be too much.
Why do that when you can just code the information in us from the start?
Exact same outcome, except genetics can do it faster and more effecently.
Its bad enough we have our government using the DMCA to make it illegal to modify hardware we own.
Now you are trying to enforce the idea on us that we are not allowed to modify our own bodys that we also own.
And yet you claim to want to have control over your destiny? Well stop trying to take that control away from me!
To both view points, i give a hearty fuck off.
Some of the things you saw/read there sound really interesting.
:)
Do you happen to have any URLs to sites explaining some of those exparaments by chance?
I'm off to google for some stuff now, but figured you may already have the creem of the crop as far as websites may go
Thanks
> short of illegalising caching mechanisms, which would be absurd.
;)
What was the story that you are posting under about again?
I dont think absurd is enough of a reason for our lawmakers to not do something anymore...
> When someone says "128k isn't broadband," use the context clue of "128k" to mean
> that they're referring to bandwidth capacity, not broad/baseband and what's
> actually going over the wire.
What? huh?
Someone said "128k isn't broadband"
That statement is false.
Both words are present, so they were clearly referring to both its bandwidth, and its broadband status, in the same line, then making a comparison saying the two are not equal.
Even using your statement, and i assume they are talking about bandwidth anyways.
Ok, so?
"128k isn't broadband" is still false for ANY value of bandwidth you could possibly stick in there!
> What's the point of running Linux on your Xbox? Linux runs fine on a PC.
Thats like asking why even buy a game console, since you can run anything on your PC.
Yea, the whole family just Loves crowding around a 17" monitor at a desk, with 4 shitty joysticks connected to a USB hub, just to play some games with the kids.
Go ask MS why they made the xbox.. then go ask all the other console companys why they made their consoles at all.
That is why its good to have consoles, and run software on them.
I know how to write software for linux already, why should i be forced to learn yet another API, and on top of that pay M$ royalties for each game i make?
> Isn't the TSOP just the name for a chip package type?
:}
Yea, but look at the PC world.. ever hear someone say "Now go into your CMOS" ?
Same type of people
> If somebody can enlighten me as to that use for the XBOX running Linux, then I'd
> be happy to be a proponent of it.
Well, in the case with BSD on the dreamcast atleast, I wanted that so I could write some software (be it games or whatever) and take a disc to a friends, pop it in their dreamcast, and showoff.
To do this the 'normal' way would cost thousands upon thousands of dollars for a sony devel kit, plus id have to pay a fee for each disc they pressed.
Fuck that.
Sounds like a good reason to get linux on xbox too.
> Well, you also have to look at the root meaning of words. Broad and Band.
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Actually the term was coined and is meant as one single word.
The oposit is baseband
Also the dictonary agrees with me
broadband
adj 1: of or relating to or being a communications network in which the bandwidth can be divided and shared by multiple simultaneous signals (as for voice or data or video) 2: responding to or operating at a wide band of frequencies; "a broadband antenna"
communications - A transmission medium capable of supporting a
wide range of frequencies, typically from audio up to video
frequencies. It can carry multiple signals by dividing the
total capacity of the medium into multiple, independent
bandwidth channels, where each channel operates only on a
specific range of frequencies.
In the case of DSL, its IP and phone.
In the case of cable, its IP and video/audio.
In the case of ISDN, a modem, or a T1, its all Data.
Even a modem is only data OVER a voice medium.. modems use phonelines, which are audio only.
ISDN is the reverse, its voice OVER data. But ISDN is data only. As its T1 and greater (Which is just ISDN as well)
> The solution? require ISPs to list the speed on the front page. but then, they'd
> have to think about reasonable rates... what a phenomenon! Just think if starband
> had to start advertising 256k/128k for ONLY $79/month!!
That however is 100% correct, and companys should have to do this.
Of course that lets them scam people less, so they wont. But heres to hoping with ya