> Then, one day, I realized that the point of language is communication:
But we are miscommunicating due to not agreeing on what this word means.
> In this particular case, broadband has come to mean "high capacity."
Simply reading this thread will go to prove why this is a silly argument.
Other than the people that define broadband as the term was invented to be used, you have alot of people on slashdot, each one saying something that generally begins with "Well, i personally think broadband means _________ so this (is/isnt)"
Out of everyone, the two of us included, everyone can argue on what they THINK the word means, and all be totally different, but the way I use it is the way its defined and in this case why the word even exists at all.
If so many people are confused as to what broadband means (Which seems to be alot of people posting in this thread, including one persons reply to my first post, no not yourself) how can that possibly help make communication better?
If you look at all the people that say 'broadband means atleast this speed' and the speed is always different and based on different things, that isnt helping in languages point of communicating an idea.
Besides, its fairly pointless to assign a word to mean 'at or above this numerical value'. Thats what numbers are for. I mean, you name technologys and communication methods. You list the speed seperate. You dont use the word 'modem' to mean 56k, as modems go all the way down to 50baud. You dont use the term DSL to mean a meg/second for the same reason, it comes in different speeds.
Broadband is what DSL is. Why use one to mean speed and not the other? Broadband is what alot of communiaction mediums are, not all of which are anywhere near fast in speed.
Its like calling americans stupid, then defining 'earthling' as being of this planet (which includes americans) and trying to say the word earthing means stupid.
Americans could very well be stupid, but just because some other word happens to include americans in what it describes, doesnt automatically mean that word is limited just to characteristics of americans.
Broadband describes much more than DSL, so its silly to claim broadband would mean one small characteristic of DSL.
Everyone was posting what they thought the word meant, they were all wrong, so I posted in order to provide the actual definition of the word, which is the way its suppost to be used.
Once i did that, all confusion on what broadband means is removed, because (ideally) we should agree on the higher authority (Not me, the dictonary, and/or the person that coined the word) of what the word means, and be able to then communicate the idea of what is and isnt broadband.
I would also like to close by saying your definition of the word broadband still doesnt define broadband!
Q: What is broadband? A: broadband has come to mean "high capacity."
ok, so what is "high capacity." ?
and with that question, we are back to the thread as it currently stands, with people each throwing in their 'i think it should be ____'
Please, if you mean high capacity, say that instead of broadband, even not knowing yourself what that is (its not like 5 geeks in the same room will aggree on what is 'high capacity')
Broadband has a definition already, and its a very clear and binary one. Please dont turn this very clearly defined word into another (well two others for high capacity) that still have little meaning nor communicate much in the way of an idea.
"high speed" changes as the max limit of speed of the current technology changes. Remember, in the 70's a 56k digital line was ungodly fast. by todays standards it isnt at all. by todays standards a gig a second is fast, but someday, it wont be.
broadband is broadband, and its definition will never need to change with time to describe what it does.
> If these people wanted to make the systems more secure, they should bring their > findings to the people who made it.
According to the article, they did just that last year, and were 'blown off'.
Assuming thats true, and I make no claims to it, then we _should_ have the right to tell everyone about it.
Actually this is sort of funny. If you do steal anything from these snack/pop machines, it must be totally legal.
The blackboard company claims the product works in a certain way. These people told them it doesnt and were blown off. These people then tried to tell the world it doesnt, and they were threatened with the law (In a very valid legally, yet still stupid way.)
So it could be argued that the machines work exactly as advertized. So when i steal a free pop (or 2000), since thats how this machine is suppost to work, its clearly OK to do.
> Sorry to disappoint you, but language is not static, and "broadband" has come to > mean "high capacity." That's just the way it is.
I don't care what it has come to mean to a few people. Those few are wrong. That's just the way it is.
If you plan to redefine a word from what its been since the word was made, atleast have the decency to say so and not expect others to magically understand.
Why even have words if the meanings are totally different and random from person to person? Thats why a language aggrees that a word means one particular thing, then its defined. That is what the dictonary is handy for.
adj 1: of or relating to or being a communications network in which the bandwidth can be divided and shared by multiple simultaneous signals (as for voice or data or video) 2: responding to or operating at a wide band of frequencies; "a broadband antenna"
Other than in the marketing department of US based cable/dsl companys, and thus in their customers imaginations, where else is broadband known to mean anything other than what the dictionary defines it as?
I guess you believe everything you hear on TV or that is forced down your throat from a corporation.
*sigh* and slashdot JUST had an article on this in the past week.
> 128 kbps is hardly broadband
How do you figure based on that information?
Is a blue car fast? Is a baby that crys tall? Is a sharp knife long?
> 128 kbps is hardly broadband
128 kbps - this is a speed, measuring a type of bandwidth. is hardly - this is (basically) a logical 'not'. broadband - this is the type of carrier data is sent over.
You realize if a pair of wires uses a protocol to send both IP data and any other data at all that isnt IP, it is broadband, EVEN if the IP data can only be sent at 10 bytes per second?
The article describes this as having both phone/voice service as well as IP service over it. Unless they are actually encapsulating one form of data over the other, like true ISDN does, then it is broadband. period. nothing about the speed comes into play here.
> "Broadband" means something different now than it did 5 years ago.
No, its always meant the same thing from when the terms 'broadband' and 'baseband' were made. You are just using it incorrectly.
> Both at home and at work, I'm tired of noisy machines.
I have been blessed with a small conduit between two rooms of my house.
I've solved most of the noise problem by putting all of my systems, including my one windows machine which is the only system with a monitor/keyboard, in the 2nd room.
Between them, i run a 15 foot high shelded VGA cable, a standard RCA audio cable, a USB cable, and a firewire cable. (I also run an ethernet cable but dont yet use it)
The machine is located in the 2nd room.
In my bedroom i have a 21" monitor connected to the VGA cord and power, and a hub of each USB and firewire. I plug my mouse and keyboard into the USB chain. I have an ATAPI->firewire adaptor connected to a CDROM drive and a CD-RW drive, both in an extneral enclosure, connected to power and the firewire hub. The RCA audio cable runs from my soundcard to my amp in the bedroom.
I ran the ethernet cable to plug into the switch in room 2 with the machines, so i can have a small hub in the bedroom incase i have other machines (IE Laptops) to connect to the network. But, my only laptop is an iBook, and i run IP over firewire for that so havent had need for ethernet there yet.
Perhaps if you have a large closet to use for this, that may work as well. Some of these cables dont play well longer than 15 feet however. But if you are willing to live with degrated performance, you can fix that as well. Its suppost to be possible to stream video over firewire, perhaps that would remove the VGA cable need totally, but possibly lowering performance. Using firewire2 and fiber, you can have an unlimited cable run. You can also put repeaters (or basically two port hubs) and chain as many lengths of cable together as you need. Each hub will need power however to correcly boost the signal.
I got the cables and bridge boards (IDE to FireWire) at www.fwdepot.com They also have SCSI to firewire bridges too, incase you need any scsi devices where you sit. Most of the other parts are just common generic cables and hubs that you can find anywhere.
> My ADSL connection is 8Mb/s (1MB/s). Can that be defined as broadband?
I dunno, my car is forest green. Can it then be concidered fast? That makes about as much sense as what your asking.
Being ADSL, yes it is broadband. It doesnt matter if you could only send 3 or 4 bytes per second, or gigabits per second, its still ADSL and thus still broadband.
The best way to ask is, is anything else served over this carrier other than IP data? In the case with DSL, its phone service. In the case of a cable modem, its TV signal. Same with satellite.
Dialup is not, because your not running both data AND phone over the phone wire. You are indeed only running phone service over that wire, because modems require phone service.
ADSL does not run OVER the phone network. It runs along next to it. In DSLs case actually, DSL only exists between your house and the central office your service comes out of. Once it hits the CO, it turns into something else (Usually ATM, possibly just a DS3) and from there goes to your ISP. The ISP no doubt has a DS(1-3-etc) based network to their upstream and so on.
> 1) I don't think Microsoft cares what you do with your machine > as long as it's not rigged to cut into their profits.
So, by your logic, if i purchase an xbox with the preintent of never ever turning it on and/or buying games, its perfectly OK to throw me in jail because i am cutting into M$'s profits?
I thought if I sold you a piece of hardware, you owned it.
So now i can sell you a piece of hardware, with the claim i need to make alot more money off of it than whatever we aggree is the sale price, and I can have you thrown in jail if you dont deliver?
Hey, wanna buy this piece of wood for $1? We can talk about you buying the nails later;)
> Just for clarification, what is more DRM enabled about an Intel > processor than an AMD processor?
Intel states publically that they plan to create and use DRM. A slashdot (or preferably a google) search will turn up info about that.
AMD states they plan to do no such thing unless forced to by law.
The few features intel chips do have that can be used for DRM are not in and of themselfs DRM. But the companys have made it clear what chips will have DRM once it rolls around.
> And may the market continue to buy competing chips that conform to standardized > pin-outs, and blow non-conforming hardware right the fsck off.
Hehe, the funny part about that is Intel pretty much defined the standard pinouts, so if they choose to change it, guess what, that change is pretty much the standard.
So before and after the change, you think everyone should blow off every CPU maker that isnt Intel?
Well screw that parent poster, im sticking with AMD myself, you can keep your overpriced underpowered DRM enabled 'standard pinout' intel CPUs to yourself!
To make my point short (and my complaint too i guess)
I dont like what he is doing. I take him to court. Court says what he is doing is legal and OK. Armed with the fact doing that is OK, i do that to him.
So what your saying is I shouldnt, because its legal only for him?
Or i shouldnt because I should take him to court to have the courts say again the same thing as in the last case, that its legal?
Im just not following what your wanting of us. Once the court says its legal, its legal for anyone, them or me.
> What if this guy spoke harshly about the government, would you feel the same?
If he spoke out aginst the government, and then the guy bitched and moaned when the government spoke out aginst him in return, then yes I would feel the same.
> If he was an abortion doctor would he feel the same?
If he was an abortion doctor, then went out trying to fight other abortion doctors when his wife decided to get an abortion herself, yes I would feel the same.
> If he was a communist would you feel the same?
If he was a communist yet setup a business that sold capitalist booklets to fund his quest to overthrow communism, then yes I would feel the same.
> I find it almost humorous the people who rail for rights until they disagree.
But this guy is a spammer, that is disagreeing with the fact others are spamming him.
> The question is can you do to anyone what was done to the spammer. Not whether > or not he was a spammer.
No that isnt the question at all. The answer to that question is YES.
Our law clearly states in most places spam is legal. If what this guy does is legal. What is being done to him is thusly just as legal.
Concidering we, the community, have pressed lawsuits aginst so many spammers, and so few actually came back saying spam is illegal, in most cases its perfectly legal. So since its legal, the answer to your question is yes, anyone can do to anyone what was done to him.
Weather we like it or not is beside the point.
Remember that something being legal is just as powerful of a tool as something being illegal.
Spamming the spammer is no different than using the DMCA aginst the media giants. Both are perfectly legal to do.
> you can't believe that returning his violation of your privacy (the spam) with a > violation of his (death threats, etc.) will have any positive results beyond a > temporary feeling of satisfaction
Tell that to the legal system, concidering thats exactly what its in place to do.
> but when it puts him and his family at risk, you've gone too far.
So let me get this straight. This dumbass goes out of his way to break the law (It is illegal in his state to spam), and also went out of his way to give his home address where his family lives as his place of business, and this is somehow OUR fault?
I'd say he put his own family at risk by being stupid and breaking laws and pissing off everyone, then told everyone 'legally you must deal with my work related things at my home address'
In addition, if there is a family and say for example the husband commited a murder, and the wife/kids KNEW it happened, and KNOW something will happen in return for that (In this example from law enforcement) Whos choice again was it for them to stay with the husband?
Now granted it could be totally possible that this spammers family doesnt know he is a criminal or the extent he goes out of his way to start fights with the world at large, but after the light harassment (IE spam the spammers postal mail, sending tons of trash mail, etc) they should get a little bit of a clue that something screwy is going on. Most people would find it strange to have their S.O. state they have to remain in secret and noone can know what they do, in order to conduct their business.
As the old storys go, when the little gang member kid starts getting into fights, its a shame that it needs done but the parents need to do something about it to get that to stop. If they willingly choose to ignore it and allow their target child to live with them, they cant with any seriousness expect not to have drive-by shootings at their house which could very well kill them, being innocent bystanders.
Unless some very very specific conditions are met, which most do not appear to be, this guy knowingly broke laws and angered the community, knowingly put his family into danger, and the rest of the family knowingly is keeping themselfs in this danger without doing anything to get out of the situation.
While the kids are probably too young to realize or do much about this, and its ashame both parents are endangering the kids lives this way, thats exactly what it is. Both parents, endangering their kids lives.
But please, blame the stupid fucks actually doing the wrong here. Not the victoms that are doing the only thing they are left to do.
This is the program ive used for quite some time now. Its multi-user, and you can flag bookmarks as public/private. Anyone with an account can see all users public bookmarks. Private ones are hidden (except for your own of course)
Lets you add buttons to netscape/moz/ie to a) bring up the bookmarks, and b) add a bookmark to the server.
You can import/export netscape file bookmarks as well as some others, and it reads the file that IE exports to in netscape format.
I've found using a website to actually orginize bookmarks sucks alot, as each click requires a http query and is very slow. For that I would export the whole bookmark file to my PC (One should do this for backups anyways) and use mozilla to actually move things into folders, then erase/re-import the new file.
I knew a person that got a tongue peircing, and not at a good professionals (She was 16 at the time, so it was technically illegal for her to get it without parents permission)
Aparently the pierce went through a nerve, and the bar placed in the hole kept the nerve from healing. She had no idea that happened thou for a few weeks when all sorts of wierd things were happening.
She would smell something for a moment and it would disapear.. No one else would have smelled anything at all. She would feel flashes of heat over her face in various parts for no aparent reason.
She didnt have a single problem with her tongue ironically. Once she spoke to a doctor about it, he explained what most likely happened (the nerve thing) and told her to take out the bar for a day or two. She did and almost instantly all the problems went away.
Ended up letting the hole close up and redoing it later at a reputable place.
DNS already has resource records for a host/IP that provide location. The record is LOC and defined in RFC 1876
Copying a snippit from oreilly's DNS and BIND:
In its basic form, the LOC record takes latitude, longitude and altitude (in that order) as its record-specific data. Latitude and longitude are expressed in the format:
Ex.: huskymo.acmebw.com. IN LOC 40 2 0.373 N 105 17 23.528 W 1638m
Notice pretty much no one uses this? Obviously one doesnt need to worry about the new data at all if it is just an option, as the option in DNS is not used at all now.
If this new piece of data was required, well, then start yelling:)
You do realize that you can get a block of IPs from one of your ISPs, and if they are willing, they will SWIP it to you, assign you an ASN, and you can do BGP between the main ISP (that the IPs belong to) and any other ISP that will do BGP with you. Even if your link to the main ISP goes away, your IPs that belong to them will still route through the other ISPs you have connections to.
This is how you are suppost to get IP space and multihome for small blocks of IPs. (Small being under a/20 as of 1998 i believe it was)
If you need a/20 or more, you are suppost to buy the block from ARIN directly. In their contract, it actually states you have a years time to renumber your networks and give the ISPs IP space back to them, and use only your ARIN space. If you dont give the ISPs space back, you are in voilation of your contract. But the whole reason that is there is because getting an ARIN block of IPs is an upgrade path from your large block of ISP IPs. Both can still do BGP just the same.
Also to get an ARIN block, you must be multihomed already. That in itself should tell you you can multihome without their help:)
The main problem is, alot of routers are configured to ignore routes smaller than a C class (/24) so if you got less than that, they cant garentee all backbones over the world will have routing table entrys for their customers/transiant trafic to find your network. Any backbone that used such filters would never route traffic to you, either from their customers, or from anyone that has to route packets through them.
Backbones do this because they do not want to buy memory for lots of routers. This has nothing to do with ARIN.
Some nicer ISPs will still do BGP with you on very small blocks of IPs, but as a large chunk of the net wont see you.
The only way to solve this is for the main ISP to mark a whole/24 of theirs on its own ASN, and tell the other ISPs you use to route over the whole block. If you want to subnet just a/28 out of that, your more than welcome to. But as the ISP cant use any of the other IPs in that/24, it would be more wasteful to leave them unused than to simply route them to you in the first place.
> All of this is well documented in "Life with Qmail," a great reference.
I will defiantly check that document out. My main problem before was the only place i knew to look for docs was qmails site itself. Now hopefully that i know what to look for...
But i do have one question:
> Fall-through addresses: Done easily in vpopmail.
As a fall through address is something that is basically a method to deliver mail, how can a popper do this at all?
Mail comes into your MTA, not your popper:} (I think im just misunderstanding)
Also, I dont use pop or imap myself at all. I still use pine (and no i will not change heh)
But what i mean by fall through address is, for example: friend@domain.com friend123@hotmail.com otherfriend@domain.com somewhere@otherisp.com @domain.com dissy
so if its not directed to friend@ or otherfriend@, i get it delivered to my spool (Or forwarded, or whatever.)
It would seem to me this step is required in order to put the mail somewhere on the system (vs bouncing it) so that a popper could get to it.
> And sendmail doesn't do as much as Exchange, so what's that got to do with it?
If i was using exchange and needed all its features, and someone told me to change to sendmail because it would be better, I would make the same reply as i just did.
I dont need exchanges features, but do need sendmails. Changing to qmail/postfix (assuming they really dont have all the features of sendmail) isnt an option, yet thats what everyone is telling me to do.
Thats what it has to do with it:P
> So go on, tell us : what features does sendmail provide that can't be found > in other MTAs?
The poster I replied to also replied to me asking that question. I responded with a large post listing them all.
It should be here: http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=58903&c id=5623 856
Perhaps I just dont know the undocumented tricks of those mail servers.
If anyone could give me either detailed instructions on how to translate from sendmail to qmail/postfix configs, or a good website that explains this, I would be most grateful.
Please do keep in mind my only experence with qmail or postfix was reading the documentation to see how hard it would be to convert my sendmail setup, and seeing most of the features i need not being listed, i didnt bother setting them up. I am not at all familiar with the config files used by either.
I am also assuming in this post one IS familiar with sendmail. Where i simply say virtusertable, that would of course be/etc/mail/virtusertable.
I use the short names assuming you know what i mean. In a reply, please use the long form when describing qmail/postfix, as i have no clue whats what:)
My current setup uses sendmails virtusertable for all domains i handle. There is never an instance where mail sent to user@domain will just deliver to the account user, which is sendmails default method of delivery. Every domain i have in my cw file is in virtusertable.
That said, the features I need are:
Fall-through addresses
in sendmails virtusertable if you add @domain.com if the email address doesnt match a specific entry in virtusertable for a domian, it will then deliver using that rule.
Configurable bounce errors
I have some addresses (and some domains fall-through address) have entrys as:
@domain.com error:nouser No such user which returns the correct error code and the text message above.
Delivery to a piped process
in sendmails aliases file you can add an entry such as somealias: "|/path/to/an/app" and sendmail will execute that program passing the email to its stdin.
Backup mail spooling
Where the server accepts mail for a domain but doesnt attempt to deliver it locally, just forward to a mail server with a higher(lower) MX priority.
Support 'list' forwards
IE staff@domain.com -> account1, account2, outside@emailaddy.com Sendmail does this really ghetto by using both virtusertable and aliases, as only aliases can have multiple places of delivery, but virtusertable can send domain mail to an alias easily enough.
Access controls for relaying
I use IP addresses to control who can send mail out through the mailserver (Only machines in my IP space, as well as a couple friends statics are on the list) I would be interested in smtp-auth in the future but until I finished the server transistion I would want the functionality to remain as-is, and inform my users later for new and added features, preferably without having to say older features will no longer work. Doing without smtp-auth would also be fine with me.
Domain mirroring
In sendmails virtusertable, if you have say 3 domains that use the same mappings, you can do the following:
user1@domain.com user1... user99@domain.com user99 @domain.com error:nouser No such user
Then you only need to manage one list (for com) and if you sent mail to user1@domain.org it would rewrite it as user1@domain.com
Also for local delivery, the mailer would need to work with procmail. Im sure qmail and postfix both do, so that shouldnt be a problem. Just wanted to mention it incase..
If qmail/postfix really can do everything above, then i stand corrected, but would ask either for a source of good documentation, or just an explnation on each point for how to do it the qmail/postfix way.
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> Then, one day, I realized that the point of language is communication:
But we are miscommunicating due to not agreeing on what this word means.
> In this particular case, broadband has come to mean "high capacity."
Simply reading this thread will go to prove why this is a silly argument.
Other than the people that define broadband as the term was invented to be used, you have alot of people on slashdot, each one saying something that generally begins with "Well, i personally think broadband means _________ so this (is/isnt)"
Out of everyone, the two of us included, everyone can argue on what they THINK the word means, and all be totally different, but the way I use it is the way its defined and in this case why the word even exists at all.
If so many people are confused as to what broadband means (Which seems to be alot of people posting in this thread, including one persons reply to my first post, no not yourself) how can that possibly help make communication better?
If you look at all the people that say 'broadband means atleast this speed' and the speed is always different and based on different things, that isnt helping in languages point of communicating an idea.
Besides, its fairly pointless to assign a word to mean 'at or above this numerical value'. Thats what numbers are for.
I mean, you name technologys and communication methods. You list the speed seperate.
You dont use the word 'modem' to mean 56k, as modems go all the way down to 50baud. You dont use the term DSL to mean a meg/second for the same reason, it comes in different speeds.
Broadband is what DSL is. Why use one to mean speed and not the other?
Broadband is what alot of communiaction mediums are, not all of which are anywhere near fast in speed.
Its like calling americans stupid, then defining 'earthling' as being of this planet (which includes americans) and trying to say the word earthing means stupid.
Americans could very well be stupid, but just because some other word happens to include americans in what it describes, doesnt automatically mean that word is limited just to characteristics of americans.
Broadband describes much more than DSL, so its silly to claim broadband would mean one small characteristic of DSL.
Everyone was posting what they thought the word meant, they were all wrong, so I posted in order to provide the actual definition of the word, which is the way its suppost to be used.
Once i did that, all confusion on what broadband means is removed, because (ideally) we should agree on the higher authority (Not me, the dictonary, and/or the person that coined the word) of what the word means, and be able to then communicate the idea of what is and isnt broadband.
I would also like to close by saying your definition of the word broadband still doesnt define broadband!
Q: What is broadband?
A: broadband has come to mean "high capacity."
ok, so what is "high capacity." ?
and with that question, we are back to the thread as it currently stands, with people each throwing in their 'i think it should be ____'
Please, if you mean high capacity, say that instead of broadband, even not knowing yourself what that is (its not like 5 geeks in the same room will aggree on what is 'high capacity')
Broadband has a definition already, and its a very clear and binary one.
Please dont turn this very clearly defined word into another (well two others for high capacity) that still have little meaning nor communicate much in the way of an idea.
"high speed" changes as the max limit of speed of the current technology changes.
Remember, in the 70's a 56k digital line was ungodly fast.
by todays standards it isnt at all.
by todays standards a gig a second is fast, but someday, it wont be.
broadband is broadband, and its definition will never need to change with time to describe what it does.
> If these people wanted to make the systems more secure, they should bring their
:}
> findings to the people who made it.
According to the article, they did just that last year, and were 'blown off'.
Assuming thats true, and I make no claims to it, then we _should_ have the right to tell everyone about it.
Actually this is sort of funny. If you do steal anything from these snack/pop machines, it must be totally legal.
The blackboard company claims the product works in a certain way.
These people told them it doesnt and were blown off.
These people then tried to tell the world it doesnt, and they were threatened with the law (In a very valid legally, yet still stupid way.)
So it could be argued that the machines work exactly as advertized.
So when i steal a free pop (or 2000), since thats how this machine is suppost to work, its clearly OK to do.
Wishful thinking atleast
> Sorry to disappoint you, but language is not static, and "broadband" has come to
> mean "high capacity." That's just the way it is.
I don't care what it has come to mean to a few people. Those few are wrong. That's just the way it is.
If you plan to redefine a word from what its been since the word was made, atleast have the decency to say so and not expect others to magically understand.
Why even have words if the meanings are totally different and random from person to person? Thats why a language aggrees that a word means one particular thing, then its defined. That is what the dictonary is handy for.
Websters defines broadband as:
broadband
adj 1: of or relating to or being a communications network in which the bandwidth can be divided and shared by multiple simultaneous signals (as for voice or data or video) 2: responding to or operating at a wide band of frequencies; "a broadband antenna"
Other than in the marketing department of US based cable/dsl companys, and thus in their customers imaginations, where else is broadband known to mean anything other than what the dictionary defines it as?
I guess you believe everything you hear on TV or that is forced down your throat from a corporation.
*sigh* and slashdot JUST had an article on this in the past week.
> 128 kbps is hardly broadband
How do you figure based on that information?
Is a blue car fast?
Is a baby that crys tall?
Is a sharp knife long?
> 128 kbps is hardly broadband
128 kbps - this is a speed, measuring a type of bandwidth.
is hardly - this is (basically) a logical 'not'.
broadband - this is the type of carrier data is sent over.
You realize if a pair of wires uses a protocol to send both IP data and any other data at all that isnt IP, it is broadband, EVEN if the IP data can only be sent at 10 bytes per second?
The article describes this as having both phone/voice service as well as IP service over it.
Unless they are actually encapsulating one form of data over the other, like true ISDN does, then it is broadband. period. nothing about the speed comes into play here.
> "Broadband" means something different now than it did 5 years ago.
No, its always meant the same thing from when the terms 'broadband' and 'baseband' were made. You are just using it incorrectly.
> Both at home and at work, I'm tired of noisy machines.
I have been blessed with a small conduit between two rooms of my house.
I've solved most of the noise problem by putting all of my systems, including my one windows machine which is the only system with a monitor/keyboard, in the 2nd room.
Between them, i run a 15 foot high shelded VGA cable, a standard RCA audio cable, a USB cable, and a firewire cable. (I also run an ethernet cable but dont yet use it)
The machine is located in the 2nd room.
In my bedroom i have a 21" monitor connected to the VGA cord and power, and a hub of each USB and firewire.
I plug my mouse and keyboard into the USB chain.
I have an ATAPI->firewire adaptor connected to a CDROM drive and a CD-RW drive, both in an extneral enclosure, connected to power and the firewire hub.
The RCA audio cable runs from my soundcard to my amp in the bedroom.
I ran the ethernet cable to plug into the switch in room 2 with the machines, so i can have a small hub in the bedroom incase i have other machines (IE Laptops) to connect to the network. But, my only laptop is an iBook, and i run IP over firewire for that so havent had need for ethernet there yet.
Perhaps if you have a large closet to use for this, that may work as well.
Some of these cables dont play well longer than 15 feet however.
But if you are willing to live with degrated performance, you can fix that as well. Its suppost to be possible to stream video over firewire, perhaps that would remove the VGA cable need totally, but possibly lowering performance.
Using firewire2 and fiber, you can have an unlimited cable run.
You can also put repeaters (or basically two port hubs) and chain as many lengths of cable together as you need. Each hub will need power however to correcly boost the signal.
I got the cables and bridge boards (IDE to FireWire) at www.fwdepot.com
They also have SCSI to firewire bridges too, incase you need any scsi devices where you sit.
Most of the other parts are just common generic cables and hubs that you can find anywhere.
Hope that helps
> "Low speed broadband" would have been more appropriate,
While i aggree with you on the high/low speed part, the article states that it really is the word broadband they are complaining about.
So, "low speed broadband" still contains the word broadband, and they would still have the same problem as now.
> Personally I think 128K is too slow to really be broadband. 256K is marginal but
> probably qualifies.
Except that a DS3, being 45mbit/second, is much faster than anything you have quoted above, and is indeed NOT broadband.
If you had an ADSL line that was 3 bytes per second (Not k, or m, or g, but BYTES) it is still broadband.
> 512K is fast enough to be broadband.
Really now?
So a car that can drive on a road at 800mph is concidered an airplane even if it cant fly?
Just becase one thing can have the speed of something totally different, doenst automatically make the first thing the same as the second.
Speed has nothing to do with being broadband or not.
> My ADSL connection is 8Mb/s (1MB/s). Can that be defined as broadband?
I dunno, my car is forest green. Can it then be concidered fast?
That makes about as much sense as what your asking.
Being ADSL, yes it is broadband.
It doesnt matter if you could only send 3 or 4 bytes per second, or gigabits per second, its still ADSL and thus still broadband.
The best way to ask is, is anything else served over this carrier other than IP data? In the case with DSL, its phone service. In the case of a cable modem, its TV signal. Same with satellite.
Dialup is not, because your not running both data AND phone over the phone wire. You are indeed only running phone service over that wire, because modems require phone service.
ADSL does not run OVER the phone network. It runs along next to it.
In DSLs case actually, DSL only exists between your house and the central office your service comes out of. Once it hits the CO, it turns into something else (Usually ATM, possibly just a DS3) and from there goes to your ISP. The ISP no doubt has a DS(1-3-etc) based network to their upstream and so on.
> 1) I don't think Microsoft cares what you do with your machine
;)
> as long as it's not rigged to cut into their profits.
So, by your logic, if i purchase an xbox with the preintent of never ever turning it on and/or buying games, its perfectly OK to throw me in jail because i am cutting into M$'s profits?
I thought if I sold you a piece of hardware, you owned it.
So now i can sell you a piece of hardware, with the claim i need to make alot more money off of it than whatever we aggree is the sale price, and I can have you thrown in jail if you dont deliver?
Hey, wanna buy this piece of wood for $1? We can talk about you buying the nails later
> Just for clarification, what is more DRM enabled about an Intel
> processor than an AMD processor?
Intel states publically that they plan to create and use DRM.
A slashdot (or preferably a google) search will turn up info about that.
AMD states they plan to do no such thing unless forced to by law.
The few features intel chips do have that can be used for DRM are not in and of themselfs DRM. But the companys have made it clear what chips will have DRM once it rolls around.
> And may the market continue to buy competing chips that conform to standardized
> pin-outs, and blow non-conforming hardware right the fsck off.
Hehe, the funny part about that is Intel pretty much defined the standard pinouts, so if they choose to change it, guess what, that change is pretty much the standard.
So before and after the change, you think everyone should blow off every CPU maker that isnt Intel?
Well screw that parent poster, im sticking with AMD myself, you can keep your overpriced underpowered DRM enabled 'standard pinout' intel CPUs to yourself!
To make my point short (and my complaint too i guess)
I dont like what he is doing. I take him to court. Court says what he is doing is legal and OK.
Armed with the fact doing that is OK, i do that to him.
So what your saying is I shouldnt, because its legal only for him?
Or i shouldnt because I should take him to court to have the courts say again the same thing as in the last case, that its legal?
Im just not following what your wanting of us.
Once the court says its legal, its legal for anyone, them or me.
> What if this guy spoke harshly about the government, would you feel the same?
If he spoke out aginst the government, and then the guy bitched and moaned when the government spoke out aginst him in return, then yes I would feel the same.
> If he was an abortion doctor would he feel the same?
If he was an abortion doctor, then went out trying to fight other abortion doctors when his wife decided to get an abortion herself, yes I would feel the same.
> If he was a communist would you feel the same?
If he was a communist yet setup a business that sold capitalist booklets to fund his quest to overthrow communism, then yes I would feel the same.
> I find it almost humorous the people who rail for rights until they disagree.
But this guy is a spammer, that is disagreeing with the fact others are spamming him.
> The question is can you do to anyone what was done to the spammer. Not whether
> or not he was a spammer.
No that isnt the question at all.
The answer to that question is YES.
Our law clearly states in most places spam is legal.
If what this guy does is legal.
What is being done to him is thusly just as legal.
Concidering we, the community, have pressed lawsuits aginst so many spammers, and so few actually came back saying spam is illegal, in most cases its perfectly legal.
So since its legal, the answer to your question is yes, anyone can do to anyone what was done to him.
Weather we like it or not is beside the point.
Remember that something being legal is just as powerful of a tool as something being illegal.
Spamming the spammer is no different than using the DMCA aginst the media giants. Both are perfectly legal to do.
> you can't believe that returning his violation of your privacy (the spam) with a
> violation of his (death threats, etc.) will have any positive results beyond a
> temporary feeling of satisfaction
Tell that to the legal system, concidering thats exactly what its in place to do.
> but when it puts him and his family at risk, you've gone too far.
So let me get this straight.
This dumbass goes out of his way to break the law (It is illegal in his state to spam), and also went out of his way to give his home address where his family lives as his place of business, and this is somehow OUR fault?
I'd say he put his own family at risk by being stupid and breaking laws and pissing off everyone, then told everyone 'legally you must deal with my work related things at my home address'
In addition, if there is a family and say for example the husband commited a murder, and the wife/kids KNEW it happened, and KNOW something will happen in return for that (In this example from law enforcement)
Whos choice again was it for them to stay with the husband?
Now granted it could be totally possible that this spammers family doesnt know he is a criminal or the extent he goes out of his way to start fights with the world at large, but after the light harassment (IE spam the spammers postal mail, sending tons of trash mail, etc) they should get a little bit of a clue that something screwy is going on.
Most people would find it strange to have their S.O. state they have to remain in secret and noone can know what they do, in order to conduct their business.
As the old storys go, when the little gang member kid starts getting into fights, its a shame that it needs done but the parents need to do something about it to get that to stop.
If they willingly choose to ignore it and allow their target child to live with them, they cant with any seriousness expect not to have drive-by shootings at their house which could very well kill them, being innocent bystanders.
Unless some very very specific conditions are met, which most do not appear to be, this guy knowingly broke laws and angered the community, knowingly put his family into danger, and the rest of the family knowingly is keeping themselfs in this danger without doing anything to get out of the situation.
While the kids are probably too young to realize or do much about this, and its ashame both parents are endangering the kids lives this way, thats exactly what it is. Both parents, endangering their kids lives.
But please, blame the stupid fucks actually doing the wrong here. Not the victoms that are doing the only thing they are left to do.
> If drug research were publically funded, who would determine which drugs are researched?
Um, with drugs being privately funded now, who determines which drugs are researched?
I think if it was public vs private funded, the thing being funded itself will not at all change.
> but seriously what would this be used for?
:P
Well it brings us closer than we were before to a full and correct understanding of the universe we live in.
Isnt that enough?
http://bookmark4u.sourceforge.net
This is the program ive used for quite some time now.
Its multi-user, and you can flag bookmarks as public/private.
Anyone with an account can see all users public bookmarks.
Private ones are hidden (except for your own of course)
Lets you add buttons to netscape/moz/ie to a) bring up the bookmarks, and b) add a bookmark to the server.
You can import/export netscape file bookmarks as well as some others, and it reads the file that IE exports to in netscape format.
I've found using a website to actually orginize bookmarks sucks alot, as each click requires a http query and is very slow.
For that I would export the whole bookmark file to my PC (One should do this for backups anyways) and use mozilla to actually move things into folders, then erase/re-import the new file.
Hope this helps
hehe win-ho... Now that article was actually funny!
I knew a person that got a tongue peircing, and not at a good professionals (She was 16 at the time, so it was technically illegal for her to get it without parents permission)
Aparently the pierce went through a nerve, and the bar placed in the hole kept the nerve from healing.
She had no idea that happened thou for a few weeks when all sorts of wierd things were happening.
She would smell something for a moment and it would disapear.. No one else would have smelled anything at all.
She would feel flashes of heat over her face in various parts for no aparent reason.
She didnt have a single problem with her tongue ironically.
Once she spoke to a doctor about it, he explained what most likely happened (the nerve thing) and told her to take out the bar for a day or two.
She did and almost instantly all the problems went away.
Ended up letting the hole close up and redoing it later at a reputable place.
DNS already has resource records for a host/IP that provide location.
:)
The record is LOC and defined in RFC 1876
Copying a snippit from oreilly's DNS and BIND:
In its basic form, the LOC record takes latitude, longitude and altitude (in that order) as its record-specific data. Latitude and longitude are expressed in the format:
degrees [minutes [seconds.fractional_seconds]] (N|S|E|W)
Altitude is expressed in meters.
Ex.: huskymo.acmebw.com. IN LOC 40 2 0.373 N 105 17 23.528 W 1638m
Notice pretty much no one uses this?
Obviously one doesnt need to worry about the new data at all if it is just an option, as the option in DNS is not used at all now.
If this new piece of data was required, well, then start yelling
You do realize that you can get a block of IPs from one of your ISPs, and if they are willing, they will SWIP it to you, assign you an ASN, and you can do BGP between the main ISP (that the IPs belong to) and any other ISP that will do BGP with you.
/20 as of 1998 i believe it was)
/20 or more, you are suppost to buy the block from ARIN directly.
:)
/24 of theirs on its own ASN, and tell the other ISPs you use to route over the whole block. /28 out of that, your more than welcome to. /24, it would be more wasteful to leave them unused than to simply route them to you in the first place.
Even if your link to the main ISP goes away, your IPs that belong to them will still route through the other ISPs you have connections to.
This is how you are suppost to get IP space and multihome for small blocks of IPs. (Small being under a
If you need a
In their contract, it actually states you have a years time to renumber your networks and give the ISPs IP space back to them, and use only your ARIN space. If you dont give the ISPs space back, you are in voilation of your contract.
But the whole reason that is there is because getting an ARIN block of IPs is an upgrade path from your large block of ISP IPs.
Both can still do BGP just the same.
Also to get an ARIN block, you must be multihomed already. That in itself should tell you you can multihome without their help
The main problem is, alot of routers are configured to ignore routes smaller than a C class (/24) so if you got less than that, they cant garentee all backbones over the world will have routing table entrys for their customers/transiant trafic to find your network.
Any backbone that used such filters would never route traffic to you, either from their customers, or from anyone that has to route packets through them.
Backbones do this because they do not want to buy memory for lots of routers. This has nothing to do with ARIN.
Some nicer ISPs will still do BGP with you on very small blocks of IPs, but as a large chunk of the net wont see you.
The only way to solve this is for the main ISP to mark a whole
If you want to subnet just a
But as the ISP cant use any of the other IPs in that
> All of this is well documented in "Life with Qmail," a great reference.
:}
I will defiantly check that document out.
My main problem before was the only place i knew to look for docs was qmails site itself. Now hopefully that i know what to look for...
But i do have one question:
> Fall-through addresses: Done easily in vpopmail.
As a fall through address is something that is basically a method to deliver mail, how can a popper do this at all?
Mail comes into your MTA, not your popper
(I think im just misunderstanding)
Also, I dont use pop or imap myself at all. I still use pine (and no i will not change heh)
But what i mean by fall through address is, for example:
friend@domain.com friend123@hotmail.com
otherfriend@domain.com somewhere@otherisp.com
@domain.com dissy
so if its not directed to friend@ or otherfriend@, i get it delivered to my spool (Or forwarded, or whatever.)
It would seem to me this step is required in order to put the mail somewhere on the system (vs bouncing it) so that a popper could get to it.
Thanks for the advice thou!
> Care to provide examples?
6 23 856
:)
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=58903&cid=5
Already did in reply to another user
I would be most greatful for any help proving me wrong.
> And sendmail doesn't do as much as Exchange, so what's that got to do with it?
:P
c id=5623 856
If i was using exchange and needed all its features, and someone told me to change to sendmail because it would be better, I would make the same reply as i just did.
I dont need exchanges features, but do need sendmails. Changing to qmail/postfix (assuming they really dont have all the features of sendmail) isnt an option, yet thats what everyone is telling me to do.
Thats what it has to do with it
> So go on, tell us : what features does sendmail provide that can't be found
> in other MTAs?
The poster I replied to also replied to me asking that question.
I responded with a large post listing them all.
It should be here:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=58903&
Perhaps I just dont know the undocumented tricks of those mail servers.
/etc/mail/virtusertable.
:)
...
If anyone could give me either detailed instructions on how to translate from sendmail to qmail/postfix configs, or a good website that explains this, I would be most grateful.
Please do keep in mind my only experence with qmail or postfix was reading the documentation to see how hard it would be to convert my sendmail setup, and seeing most of the features i need not being listed, i didnt bother setting them up.
I am not at all familiar with the config files used by either.
I am also assuming in this post one IS familiar with sendmail.
Where i simply say virtusertable, that would of course be
I use the short names assuming you know what i mean. In a reply, please use the long form when describing qmail/postfix, as i have no clue whats what
My current setup uses sendmails virtusertable for all domains i handle.
There is never an instance where mail sent to user@domain will just deliver to the account user, which is sendmails default method of delivery.
Every domain i have in my cw file is in virtusertable.
That said, the features I need are:
Fall-through addresses
in sendmails virtusertable if you add @domain.com
if the email address doesnt match a specific entry in virtusertable for a domian, it will then deliver using that rule.
Configurable bounce errors
I have some addresses (and some domains fall-through address) have entrys as:
@domain.com error:nouser No such user
which returns the correct error code and the text message above.
Delivery to a piped process
in sendmails aliases file you can add an entry such as
somealias: "|/path/to/an/app"
and sendmail will execute that program passing the email to its stdin.
Backup mail spooling
Where the server accepts mail for a domain but doesnt attempt to deliver it locally, just forward to a mail server with a higher(lower) MX priority.
Support 'list' forwards
IE staff@domain.com -> account1, account2, outside@emailaddy.com
Sendmail does this really ghetto by using both virtusertable and aliases, as only aliases can have multiple places of delivery, but virtusertable can send domain mail to an alias easily enough.
Access controls for relaying
I use IP addresses to control who can send mail out through the mailserver (Only machines in my IP space, as well as a couple friends statics are on the list)
I would be interested in smtp-auth in the future but until I finished the server transistion I would want the functionality to remain as-is, and inform my users later for new and added features, preferably without having to say older features will no longer work.
Doing without smtp-auth would also be fine with me.
Domain mirroring
In sendmails virtusertable, if you have say 3 domains that use the same mappings, you can do the following:
user1@domain.com user1
user99@domain.com user99
@domain.com error:nouser No such user
@domain.NET %1@domain.com
@domain.ORG %1@domain.com
Then you only need to manage one list (for com) and if you sent mail to user1@domain.org it would rewrite it as user1@domain.com
Also for local delivery, the mailer would need to work with procmail.
Im sure qmail and postfix both do, so that shouldnt be a problem. Just wanted to mention it incase..
If qmail/postfix really can do everything above, then i stand corrected, but would ask either for a source of good documentation, or just an explnation on each point for how to do it the qmail/postfix way.
Thanks