When people complain about how Apple used to have a culture that was more open to tinkering, I have to wonder how long they've been using Apple products. OS X is BY FAR the most tinkering-friendly product they have ever produced.
Really? Your copy of OSX came with full schematics and firmware source code for your hardware? I must have gotten a defective copy, along with everyone I know except you.
On the one hand I fully agree with you. Don't complain if your computer is not working with the latest software/websites/hardware if you don't bother to keep it up-to-date. On the other hand sometimes you don't have any other choice, as you might not be in the position to change the OS.
Oh yes, I am aware that can be the case (and usually is.)
The GP however used two phrases to indicate to me that was not the case. "I run" and "my computer".
Granted, he could be referring to the computer assigned to him at work, and is just referring to it in a horribly confusing and incorrect way (It does happen, a lot!)
But even if that was the case, he was blaming microsoft for this. If it is a work computer, and the persons in charge are keeping it in that configuration, then clearly that is where the blame lies, no matter if the reason is good or not.
You can't blame microsoft for not upgrading IE6. They did, it's called IE7 (and now IE8)
I do have a bit more sympathy for those who are stuck with that combo due to someone else maintaining the machine that way. It does suck. But jumping the gun and blaming everyone right down to microsoft is not helping anything.
As you say, some times there are reasons unavoidable. Where I work, we use an ERP package that makes us dependent on XP (32 bit no less!), which at this point in time is not so bad as XP is still pretty common, and Vista really was enough of a failure to deserve being skipped. Sadly, Windows 7 requires beefier hardware than XP did, and companies love making things easier on them by ordering OEM machines just powerful enough to run the OS that came on them (if that)
So upgrades will cost in hardware, software for the OSs, software on the backend to go with the new workstations, and cost in updating all that older software that made everything a dependency in the first place. That's some big dollars. It won't happen all that quickly.
I've been critical of SETI efforts for this reason. Much SETI effort was focused on looking for "carriers", big constant-frequency RF sources.
So 50 years ago when SETI started, and humanity only had the ability to detect radio waves modulated in such a way as to be not naturally created, yet no space telescopes or other technology... What exactly would you have them do?
It's like handing you a pair of binoculars, and telling you that you suck for only being able to see whats near you, and why the hell aren't you looking hundreds of miles away?
The fact of the matter is, with the technology we had 50 years ago, looking for radio carriers was our only option. We had no methods to look for the signs we suspected an advanced technological civilization would use. All we had was radio.
Your complaint is basically that magic doesn't exist. Hardly the fault of SETI, no matter how annoying to us that fact is:P
How do we know aliens will be using radio waves to communicate?
Worded that way, we don't and can't know.
However worded as: How do we know advanced technological aliens will have used radio waves to communicate? then it is much easier to answer.
The fermi paradox only addresses advanced technological civilizations, not just any old alien puddle of goo.
Additionally, by definition, to be technologically advanced, one must understand technology. Discovering and using radio is one of the beginning steps on that journey. Yes, the assumption is they probably won't KEEP using them for long. Even humanity has only used them in such a way for roughly 100 years, which is a tiny fraction of humanities existence.
If they can't even figure out radio, they can't figure out any of the things more advanced than that, thus do not even qualify as a variable in the fermi paradox.
That is why, by definition, it is guaranteed they will have at some point harnessed radio wave technology, in order to get the label 'advanced'.
There's a lot you can blame Microsoft for, but it's the companies that don't want to upgrade which is the problem here.
Exactly!
These companies are faced with a choice.
A) They keep IE6 so their internal "webapps" (IE6 apps really) and such don't need upgraded, but since only IE6 is installed they have no web browser. or B) They install a web browser app, and need to spend money to fix/update those IE6-apps to work with a web browser instead.
If the company chooses 'A', they willingly and knowingly have chosen not to have web browsing capabilities on those computers.
Sure, Microsoft has made some choices that make life harder for people needing to make that choice. But lack of forced upgrades is not one of those poor decisions. Designing IE in such a way that multiple versions can't be installed along side would be a valid complaint, but it should be clear by now it is a complaint they will never address.
I have windows 2000, with IE6. IE7 and IE8 can't be installed. Moreover, the latest version of google toolbar won't install anyhow since during install it complains that it can't find some DLL interface name.
I think I see the root of your problem...
Now I'm the last person to knock old hardware and software, but comon dude, you are willingly running 10 year old software! That complaint is about as valid as being angry an Apple//e from the 80s can't do that new fangled 'http' thing.
Why claim a $500 reward when you can exploit and steal more?
Because that is illegal... the idea of this project is to get honest security researchers incentives to find bugs so that the people who would exploit them, cannot.
People keep saying this, but it ain't illegal at all. Show me the law.
Exploiting computers and stealing aren't illegal you say?
Go to that link, scroll down to "PEN" for penal laws and click, then go down to section 155 on Larceny. (Their site sucks and uses javascript for navigation, so I can't directly link. Bastards:} )
You can look up your own state laws similar (Under penal law, for the crime larceny)
Just to head off the inevitable "But I don't live in the US so everything you said doesn't matter", the answer is "no, it does, you are wrong." Google is in the US, so is bound by US laws, which is the topic of conversation in this thread. (Granted, California state laws for theft and not New York, but that was the link I had handy, they are all basically the same except for some minor details, and it was painful enough looking up anything on the NY site as it is:/ )
As a non-coder who writes and teaches for a living, I would be VERY tempted to get rid of my laptop and use my iPhone as my main (only?) computing device if only it had a USB port or bluetooth keyboard + mouse connectivity.
That is fully possible right now, if you are willing to basically run a program on the pc with itunes, and then install another free program to the phone (or two, i dont use bluetooth mouse support personally, just keyboard)
Download 'blackrain' on the pc with itunes. connect your phone and run blackrain. 5 minutes later your phone is jailbroken, and will have a 'rock' and/or 'cydia' icon (Both are alternative app stores, pretty much using debians dpkg/apt system.)
Then in one of those apt GUIs (I prefer rock these days) do a search for bluetooth.
There is a bluetooth keyboard driver, and I know i've seen a mouse driver as well.
Once that is done, it will install the dependencies for you (the alternate open bluetooth stack) and you will be able to pair with headsets, sound systems, keyboards, mice, even wiimotes for gaming.
Sure, jailbreaking is not apple approved, but feck it:} It's my hardware by first sale doctrine, so we don't need apples approval.
Maybe if Apple opened up their platform then a free Flash implementation could gain some momentum.
I am very interested in this free flash implementation you speak of. Where is it? URL? Even a project name would be helpful.
Because despite apples wishes, I run my apple platform fully open (jailbreaking ftw) and even with a fully open platform I have access to, there still does not seem to exist any free flash implementation that supports a fraction of the flash features the binary version does.
About the closest thing to a point I see you having, is that if apple officially opened its platform instead of forcing the end user to do it, then Adobe might cross over their already existing closed player.
However you mention a free one in existence somewhere, and would like more information about it, as myself and many others can't seem to find any such beast.
It's technically illegal, but the likelihood of being caught is pretty much nil. I've still never found an explanation for what this frequency is used for in the US, if anything.
According to (PDF warning) http://www.ntia.doc.gov/osmhome/allochrt.PDF 3rd line from the bottom with the end label '300ghz', with the top label of 2483.5 - 2500 (it is listed as mhz)
2.484ghz (what channel 14 centers on) is allocated in the USA to two things: Mobile satellites, and "Radiodetermination satellite"
The color code indicates "Government / Non-government shared"
My guess is the mobile satellite is the non-government bit, and the radio determination satellite is the government controlled part. That last piece appears (from a very hasty google) to be a precursor to GPS, as its function is to use multiple geostationary satellites to locate your position.
So short of GPS going down and people actually bringing up older positioning hardware, or that mobile company noticing your noise, the odds as you say are nill of being caught.
You'd still have a lot of overlap with people running on channel 11
The channel overlap is only in 2 channels in each direction.
So channel 11 only overlaps with 9,10,(11),12,and 13. (I only include 11 in the list to illustrate the two channels in each direction aspect)
This means 11 does not overlap with any channel below 9, nor any channel above 13. 14 is fortunately above 13!
Technically however, 14 is special. It isn't allocated in the same way, and is a little bit higher in the frequency range than all the others. What that means is while all the other channels are 22mhz wide, and roughly 22mhz apart, channel 14 is more than 22mhz away from the next lowest channel, thus the no overlap.
I'm pretty sure 14 will only overlap with 13 and only partially then. And then anything higher than 14 by much is outside of the 2.4ghz band, passing 2.5xx at that point.
Also on the illegal part. According to (PDF warning) http://www.ntia.doc.gov/osmhome/allochrt.PDF 2.484ghz (what channel 14 centers on) is allocated in the USA to two things: Mobile satellites, and "Radiodetermination satellite" whatever that one is. So in other words, you need to be noticed as a source of interference by one of those two usages.
Wow, that's very poetic and all deep and shit. Tell me, oh nameless one, those two rocks who got stuck in jail...how do they feel about being nameless and being referred to as nothing? I think they'd disagree. You are only anonymous until you really piss someone off enough to come after you, then you are an individual hung out to dry.
You confuse anonymous with Anonymous. They are unrelated and very different.
anonymous (Not capitalized) is an English word meaning having a hidden name or identity. This is the word you are reading and using it as, but it is the wrong one.
Anonymous is the proper name of a group of people whom by definition have chosen to work with the group.
Anonymous does not mean anonymous. A person with a name (such as those in jail) are Anonymous, but not anonymous.
Saying you are part of Anonymous (let alone doing anything the rest of the group does) is almost by definition admitting to the fact your name and identity mean nothing and are worthless.
Similar to joining fight club, one expects to get punched a couple times:P
I imagine they are in jail now possibly regretting what they did, but I seriously doubt they are crying and making claims that joining was accidental or not of their own free will or something.
And your laptop example is pretty stupid. My laptop was not designed to even be IN such conditions, while the rovers specifically were. My laptop also wasn't designed to last 10 years even under normal conditions, while the rovers were.
NASA stated two things. The rovers were designed to last 10 years in the conditions they expected at the time, and that the mission was scheduled to be 90 days.
Why people like you and the GP keep merging those two statements together into a lie is beyond me. But clearly the mods have spoken. Lies contradicting all the links i've posted right from nasa's website are modded up, and the links to NASA are modded down. Figures.
One would hope that prison rape isn't intended as part of the punishment, but that seems to be debatable...
No more debatable than watching a man repeatedly punch a woman while at the same time saying they don't mean to hurt her.
The law and guards and cops can SAY whatever the hell they want. Their actions (Allowing it, encouraging it, and occasionally being the one doing it) state otherwise.
(Pointless antidote follows)
A friend if mine is now in prison for life, after being arrested with an ounce or two of weed on him (I don't remember exactly, but he was charged with possession with intent to distribute due to the amount.) He was sentenced to six months for that particular crime. Nothing out of the ordinary so far.
I didn't get to talk to him for a couple months, but at that point he was given a life sentence for killing his cell mate who tried to rape him.
The prison counselor said the only advice they can give is to find a cell mate who's 'needs' he can live with, for protection.
The entire system KNOWS this sort of thing happens all the time, not a single thing is done to prevent it, and when one defends their life and body from such an abuse, they are punished further.
This is a debate over "fun" versus paying a debt to society and investing in the social adjustment that is supposed to improve a criminal's ability to return to society.
Ok. So take away all 'fun'. Now, describe how what these people are being put through (With or without 'fun') is in any way close to what you describe.
Fix the prison system so that it *IS* for rehabilitation and paying a debt to society, and you might have a point. As it is, it is simply government sponsored revenge, mixed with torture at the guards whim, both allowing/encouraging it and even occasionally directly administering it, simply because they can and others are brainwashed into thinking this is somehow OK.
I'm sorry, but Spirit lasted years past its expected lifetime. If it had been made by like most typical electronics and devices, it would have stopped working exactly 2 days past its "warranty". I'd hardly consider that a fiasco. As one of the other comments here mentions "90 days and now has 2200+".
Sorry, but it hasn't been 10 years yet.
Sure, they lasted WAY past the original 90 day mission, but I can't see how they are past their expected lifetime when it's only been a couple years so far.
That's like saying your dinner fork lasted well past it's 30 minute expected life time, because 30 minutes is what you allocated for one meal.
The fact of the matter is the machines were designed to last years, as most any modern complex machine would need to be.
The mission itself is the only thing with the number '90 days' attached to it.
The person you replied to is basically staying that his dinner fork and knife were only designed to last 30 minutes, because that's the time designated to the meal.
I pretty sure the "white powder" was something like powdered sugar, not actually cocaine
No, I am pretty positive it was exactly that. Maybe not sugar, but definitely not cocaine. Thus why my entire post was made on that assumption:}
If *I* ("I" being me personally, not an officer of the law, and not a TSA agent) was to show a bag of white powder (say it is sugar) and state that it WAS cocaine, it is still a crime I would most likely face jail time over, or at least probation and a criminal record.
Stating a substance is a scheduled drug and stating it is in your possession (assuming not a schedule where a prescription is possible here) then it is still a crime for some reason.
I don't know the reasoning behind it, nor thought about it enough to decide if it is a good idea or anything. But I've known two people arrested for that (One had creatine powder and claimed it was cocaine, the other had some form of ground up spice/plant and claimed it was weed)
Can't say on the officers reasoning, but the charges were possession with intent to distribute. For the guy with the powder, it was even tested for court and came back clean. It still counted.
That was a number of years ago too. At least in the first case (and the topic at hand), having a bag of nameless white powder would more than likely also add some scary terrorist charges as well.
I'm no expert on this, but it seems to me that radio waves may likely be obsolete to advanced civilizations. They are quite possibly using something like lasers, x-rays, gravity waves, etc. True, if they are in the same stage we are, they may be using lots of the radio spectrum, but that greatly limits the kind and number of civilizations we may detect. Looking for something like a Dyson Sphere (star-orbiting solar arrays) may be a more productive approach, or at least a good supplement.
50 years ago we did not have the ability to look for lasers, x-rays, gravity waves (which we still can't really detect) etc. We did have the ability to detect radio waves 50 years ago.
That is why SETI has focused on radio waves for most of its existence.
And now that we DO have the technology to look for some of those other things, SETI wants to do that too, as indicated by this very article.
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Meetings like ACTA conspiracy (any such hidden meeting certainly qualifies!) are proof Timothy McVeigh got the wrong building.
I don't advocate what he did, but as the proponents of secret government become more and more abusive they are going to provoke the fringe...first.
Can't feel too bad for them. If they want people to take their arguments the legal route, they perhaps shouldn't outlaw all the legal routes.
Close off every possible method of counter except violence, and people will not hesitate to use what you left them.
When people complain about how Apple used to have a culture that was more open to tinkering, I have to wonder how long they've been using Apple products. OS X is BY FAR the most tinkering-friendly product they have ever produced.
Really? Your copy of OSX came with full schematics and firmware source code for your hardware?
I must have gotten a defective copy, along with everyone I know except you.
Newzbin should be found guilty of indexing
Fortunately for you, they are. Indexing is exactly what they do.
Fortunately for everyone else, indexing is not a crime.
It's pretty much like saying both you and I are guilty of posting messages to slashdot.
As a side note, 28 USC 1498(b) gives the government a similar right to use copyrighted works.
Best argument I've heard yet for ignoring copyright! I mean, we are talking about a government by, of, and for the people, right?
I hope not. At this point, a corporation is more of a person than I am in the eyes of the law :{
On the one hand I fully agree with you. Don't complain if your computer is not working with the latest software/websites/hardware if you don't bother to keep it up-to-date.
On the other hand sometimes you don't have any other choice, as you might not be in the position to change the OS.
Oh yes, I am aware that can be the case (and usually is.)
The GP however used two phrases to indicate to me that was not the case. "I run" and "my computer".
Granted, he could be referring to the computer assigned to him at work, and is just referring to it in a horribly confusing and incorrect way (It does happen, a lot!)
But even if that was the case, he was blaming microsoft for this. If it is a work computer, and the persons in charge are keeping it in that configuration, then clearly that is where the blame lies, no matter if the reason is good or not.
You can't blame microsoft for not upgrading IE6. They did, it's called IE7 (and now IE8)
I do have a bit more sympathy for those who are stuck with that combo due to someone else maintaining the machine that way. It does suck. But jumping the gun and blaming everyone right down to microsoft is not helping anything.
As you say, some times there are reasons unavoidable.
Where I work, we use an ERP package that makes us dependent on XP (32 bit no less!), which at this point in time is not so bad as XP is still pretty common, and Vista really was enough of a failure to deserve being skipped.
Sadly, Windows 7 requires beefier hardware than XP did, and companies love making things easier on them by ordering OEM machines just powerful enough to run the OS that came on them (if that)
So upgrades will cost in hardware, software for the OSs, software on the backend to go with the new workstations, and cost in updating all that older software that made everything a dependency in the first place. That's some big dollars. It won't happen all that quickly.
I've been critical of SETI efforts for this reason. Much SETI effort was focused on looking for "carriers", big constant-frequency RF sources.
So 50 years ago when SETI started, and humanity only had the ability to detect radio waves modulated in such a way as to be not naturally created, yet no space telescopes or other technology... What exactly would you have them do?
It's like handing you a pair of binoculars, and telling you that you suck for only being able to see whats near you, and why the hell aren't you looking hundreds of miles away?
The fact of the matter is, with the technology we had 50 years ago, looking for radio carriers was our only option. We had no methods to look for the signs we suspected an advanced technological civilization would use. All we had was radio.
Your complaint is basically that magic doesn't exist. Hardly the fault of SETI, no matter how annoying to us that fact is :P
How do we know aliens will be using radio waves to communicate?
Worded that way, we don't and can't know.
However worded as: How do we know advanced technological aliens will have used radio waves to communicate? then it is much easier to answer.
The fermi paradox only addresses advanced technological civilizations, not just any old alien puddle of goo.
Additionally, by definition, to be technologically advanced, one must understand technology. Discovering and using radio is one of the beginning steps on that journey.
Yes, the assumption is they probably won't KEEP using them for long. Even humanity has only used them in such a way for roughly 100 years, which is a tiny fraction of humanities existence.
If they can't even figure out radio, they can't figure out any of the things more advanced than that, thus do not even qualify as a variable in the fermi paradox.
That is why, by definition, it is guaranteed they will have at some point harnessed radio wave technology, in order to get the label 'advanced'.
There's a lot you can blame Microsoft for, but it's the companies that don't want to upgrade which is the problem here.
Exactly!
These companies are faced with a choice.
A) They keep IE6 so their internal "webapps" (IE6 apps really) and such don't need upgraded, but since only IE6 is installed they have no web browser.
or B) They install a web browser app, and need to spend money to fix/update those IE6-apps to work with a web browser instead.
If the company chooses 'A', they willingly and knowingly have chosen not to have web browsing capabilities on those computers.
Sure, Microsoft has made some choices that make life harder for people needing to make that choice. But lack of forced upgrades is not one of those poor decisions.
Designing IE in such a way that multiple versions can't be installed along side would be a valid complaint, but it should be clear by now it is a complaint they will never address.
I have windows 2000, with IE6. IE7 and IE8 can't be installed. Moreover, the latest version of google toolbar won't install anyhow since during install it complains that it can't find some DLL interface name.
I think I see the root of your problem...
Now I'm the last person to knock old hardware and software, but comon dude, you are willingly running 10 year old software!
That complaint is about as valid as being angry an Apple//e from the 80s can't do that new fangled 'http' thing.
Why claim a $500 reward when you can exploit and steal more?
Because that is illegal... the idea of this project is to get honest security researchers incentives to find bugs so that the people who would exploit them, cannot.
People keep saying this, but it ain't illegal at all. Show me the law.
Exploiting computers and stealing aren't illegal you say?
Links to a number of laws: http://www.cybercrime.gov/cclaws.html
More sources of reading pleasure:
http://www.cybercrime.gov/cc.html
http://www.ustreas.gov/usss/financial_crimes.shtml#Computer
http://www.fbi.gov/cyberinvest/cyberhome.htm
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/nij/topics/technology/electronic-crime/welcome.htm
And in case the .gov websites aren't legit enough for you, there is always wikipedia ;}
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_crime
Oh, and as for stealing not being illegal, you are wrong there too.
http://public.leginfo.state.ny.us/menugetf.cgi?COMMONQUERY=LAWS
Go to that link, scroll down to "PEN" for penal laws and click, then go down to section 155 on Larceny. :} )
(Their site sucks and uses javascript for navigation, so I can't directly link. Bastards
You can look up your own state laws similar (Under penal law, for the crime larceny)
Just to head off the inevitable "But I don't live in the US so everything you said doesn't matter", the answer is "no, it does, you are wrong." :/ )
Google is in the US, so is bound by US laws, which is the topic of conversation in this thread.
(Granted, California state laws for theft and not New York, but that was the link I had handy, they are all basically the same except for some minor details, and it was painful enough looking up anything on the NY site as it is
As a non-coder who writes and teaches for a living, I would be VERY tempted to get rid of my laptop and use my iPhone as my main (only?) computing device if only it had a USB port or bluetooth keyboard + mouse connectivity.
That is fully possible right now, if you are willing to basically run a program on the pc with itunes, and then install another free program to the phone (or two, i dont use bluetooth mouse support personally, just keyboard)
Download 'blackrain' on the pc with itunes. connect your phone and run blackrain. 5 minutes later your phone is jailbroken, and will have a 'rock' and/or 'cydia' icon (Both are alternative app stores, pretty much using debians dpkg/apt system.)
Then in one of those apt GUIs (I prefer rock these days) do a search for bluetooth.
There is a bluetooth keyboard driver, and I know i've seen a mouse driver as well.
Once that is done, it will install the dependencies for you (the alternate open bluetooth stack) and you will be able to pair with headsets, sound systems, keyboards, mice, even wiimotes for gaming.
Sure, jailbreaking is not apple approved, but feck it :}
It's my hardware by first sale doctrine, so we don't need apples approval.
Maybe if Apple opened up their platform then a free Flash implementation could gain some momentum.
I am very interested in this free flash implementation you speak of.
Where is it? URL? Even a project name would be helpful.
Because despite apples wishes, I run my apple platform fully open (jailbreaking ftw) and even with a fully open platform I have access to, there still does not seem to exist any free flash implementation that supports a fraction of the flash features the binary version does.
About the closest thing to a point I see you having, is that if apple officially opened its platform instead of forcing the end user to do it, then Adobe might cross over their already existing closed player.
However you mention a free one in existence somewhere, and would like more information about it, as myself and many others can't seem to find any such beast.
Wow. Like the iPhone and OSX aren't proprietary. Perhaps you'd like to see those fade into Oblivion too?
Since when is HTML5 proprietary?
I've never once had an issue on the web where HTML5 prevented me from seeing/using/viewing any webpage, unlike flash.
It's technically illegal, but the likelihood of being caught is pretty much nil. I've still never found an explanation for what this frequency is used for in the US, if anything.
According to (PDF warning) http://www.ntia.doc.gov/osmhome/allochrt.PDF
3rd line from the bottom with the end label '300ghz', with the top label of 2483.5 - 2500 (it is listed as mhz)
2.484ghz (what channel 14 centers on) is allocated in the USA to two things: Mobile satellites, and "Radiodetermination satellite"
The color code indicates "Government / Non-government shared"
My guess is the mobile satellite is the non-government bit, and the radio determination satellite is the government controlled part.
That last piece appears (from a very hasty google) to be a precursor to GPS, as its function is to use multiple geostationary satellites to locate your position.
So short of GPS going down and people actually bringing up older positioning hardware, or that mobile company noticing your noise, the odds as you say are nill of being caught.
You'd still have a lot of overlap with people running on channel 11
The channel overlap is only in 2 channels in each direction.
So channel 11 only overlaps with 9,10,(11),12,and 13.
(I only include 11 in the list to illustrate the two channels in each direction aspect)
This means 11 does not overlap with any channel below 9, nor any channel above 13.
14 is fortunately above 13!
Technically however, 14 is special. It isn't allocated in the same way, and is a little bit higher in the frequency range than all the others. What that means is while all the other channels are 22mhz wide, and roughly 22mhz apart, channel 14 is more than 22mhz away from the next lowest channel, thus the no overlap.
I'm pretty sure 14 will only overlap with 13 and only partially then.
And then anything higher than 14 by much is outside of the 2.4ghz band, passing 2.5xx at that point.
Also on the illegal part. According to (PDF warning) http://www.ntia.doc.gov/osmhome/allochrt.PDF
2.484ghz (what channel 14 centers on) is allocated in the USA to two things: Mobile satellites, and "Radiodetermination satellite" whatever that one is.
So in other words, you need to be noticed as a source of interference by one of those two usages.
Illegal means ILLEGAL. The U.S. has yet to grant its citizens the privilege to pick and choose which laws they wish to abide by without consequence.
Mental anguish is also illegal, and you just committed that crime. ;}
But as you say, illegal means ILLEGAL. You criminal scum you
Wow, that's very poetic and all deep and shit. Tell me, oh nameless one, those two rocks who got stuck in jail...how do they feel about being nameless and being referred to as nothing? I think they'd disagree. You are only anonymous until you really piss someone off enough to come after you, then you are an individual hung out to dry.
You confuse anonymous with Anonymous. They are unrelated and very different.
anonymous (Not capitalized) is an English word meaning having a hidden name or identity.
This is the word you are reading and using it as, but it is the wrong one.
Anonymous is the proper name of a group of people whom by definition have chosen to work with the group.
Anonymous does not mean anonymous. A person with a name (such as those in jail) are Anonymous, but not anonymous.
Saying you are part of Anonymous (let alone doing anything the rest of the group does) is almost by definition admitting to the fact your name and identity mean nothing and are worthless.
Similar to joining fight club, one expects to get punched a couple times :P
I imagine they are in jail now possibly regretting what they did, but I seriously doubt they are crying and making claims that joining was accidental or not of their own free will or something.
Poster didn't say anything close to 10 years...
Uhh, yea? That's why i said it.
Poster was wrong. I was quoting NASA.
And your laptop example is pretty stupid. My laptop was not designed to even be IN such conditions, while the rovers specifically were. My laptop also wasn't designed to last 10 years even under normal conditions, while the rovers were.
NASA stated two things. The rovers were designed to last 10 years in the conditions they expected at the time, and that the mission was scheduled to be 90 days.
Why people like you and the GP keep merging those two statements together into a lie is beyond me.
But clearly the mods have spoken. Lies contradicting all the links i've posted right from nasa's website are modded up, and the links to NASA are modded down. Figures.
(And no, I will not be responding to you further)
One would hope that prison rape isn't intended as part of the punishment, but that seems to be debatable...
No more debatable than watching a man repeatedly punch a woman while at the same time saying they don't mean to hurt her.
The law and guards and cops can SAY whatever the hell they want.
Their actions (Allowing it, encouraging it, and occasionally being the one doing it) state otherwise.
(Pointless antidote follows)
A friend if mine is now in prison for life, after being arrested with an ounce or two of weed on him (I don't remember exactly, but he was charged with possession with intent to distribute due to the amount.)
He was sentenced to six months for that particular crime. Nothing out of the ordinary so far.
I didn't get to talk to him for a couple months, but at that point he was given a life sentence for killing his cell mate who tried to rape him.
The prison counselor said the only advice they can give is to find a cell mate who's 'needs' he can live with, for protection.
The entire system KNOWS this sort of thing happens all the time, not a single thing is done to prevent it, and when one defends their life and body from such an abuse, they are punished further.
This is a debate over "fun" versus paying a debt to society and investing in the social adjustment that is supposed to improve a criminal's ability to return to society.
Ok. So take away all 'fun'.
Now, describe how what these people are being put through (With or without 'fun') is in any way close to what you describe.
Fix the prison system so that it *IS* for rehabilitation and paying a debt to society, and you might have a point.
As it is, it is simply government sponsored revenge, mixed with torture at the guards whim, both allowing/encouraging it and even occasionally directly administering it, simply because they can and others are brainwashed into thinking this is somehow OK.
I'm sorry, but Spirit lasted years past its expected lifetime. If it had been made by like most typical electronics and devices, it would have stopped working exactly 2 days past its "warranty". I'd hardly consider that a fiasco. As one of the other comments here mentions "90 days and now has 2200+".
Sorry, but it hasn't been 10 years yet.
Sure, they lasted WAY past the original 90 day mission, but I can't see how they are past their expected lifetime when it's only been a couple years so far.
That's like saying your dinner fork lasted well past it's 30 minute expected life time, because 30 minutes is what you allocated for one meal.
The fact of the matter is the machines were designed to last years, as most any modern complex machine would need to be.
The mission itself is the only thing with the number '90 days' attached to it.
The person you replied to is basically staying that his dinner fork and knife were only designed to last 30 minutes, because that's the time designated to the meal.
I pretty sure the "white powder" was something like powdered sugar, not actually cocaine
No, I am pretty positive it was exactly that. Maybe not sugar, but definitely not cocaine. :}
Thus why my entire post was made on that assumption
If *I* ("I" being me personally, not an officer of the law, and not a TSA agent) was to show a bag of white powder (say it is sugar) and state that it WAS cocaine, it is still a crime I would most likely face jail time over, or at least probation and a criminal record.
Stating a substance is a scheduled drug and stating it is in your possession (assuming not a schedule where a prescription is possible here) then it is still a crime for some reason.
I don't know the reasoning behind it, nor thought about it enough to decide if it is a good idea or anything.
But I've known two people arrested for that (One had creatine powder and claimed it was cocaine, the other had some form of ground up spice/plant and claimed it was weed)
Can't say on the officers reasoning, but the charges were possession with intent to distribute.
For the guy with the powder, it was even tested for court and came back clean. It still counted.
That was a number of years ago too. At least in the first case (and the topic at hand), having a bag of nameless white powder would more than likely also add some scary terrorist charges as well.
Well he did say water and diamond and not much else.
Water and diamond does include both water and diamond...
I'm no expert on this, but it seems to me that radio waves may likely be obsolete to advanced civilizations. They are quite possibly using something like lasers, x-rays, gravity waves, etc. True, if they are in the same stage we are, they may be using lots of the radio spectrum, but that greatly limits the kind and number of civilizations we may detect. Looking for something like a Dyson Sphere (star-orbiting solar arrays) may be a more productive approach, or at least a good supplement.
50 years ago we did not have the ability to look for lasers, x-rays, gravity waves (which we still can't really detect) etc.
We did have the ability to detect radio waves 50 years ago.
That is why SETI has focused on radio waves for most of its existence.
And now that we DO have the technology to look for some of those other things, SETI wants to do that too, as indicated by this very article.