Since Linux is trying to
target newbies and home-users, rpms, debian packages, and the like are good for those kinds of
people.
Ah yes, my Mom just called me the other day and was wondering how to setup reiserfs under Debian. She just didn't know what to do since there weren't any.deb's of it!
NeXTSTEP 1.0 was released in June of 1989, that predates the release of 4.4BSD by almost 5 years. In fact, all releases of NeXTSTEP/OPENSTEP used 4.3BSD. The only *STEP that ever used 4.4BSD was Rhapsody. Where'd you get your info, Jack?
MacOSX 1.x (Rhapsody 5.x [where x    -BSD4.4-lite
No. MacOSX uses a BSD layer based upon FreeBSD 3.2, not 4.4BSD.
Perhaps you're partially color-blind and they're merely trichromatic?
Re:Don't even bother trying
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He let/etc be writeable! If I was idiotic enough to run an OpenRoot type a thing, I'd be sure to mount everything I could readonly.
Re:Poor article & microkernels arch. are dead
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... and there is also a product available called
BeOS, that seems to be also a micro-kernel
implementation with remarkable advantages over
traditional UNIX'e.
The BeOS kernel is not a microkernel, it's straight monolithic. It does however do a lot of work in userland with system servers (daemons), like screen painting (app_server), input monitoring (input_server), networking (net_server), etc...
Re:Poor article & microkernels arch. are dead
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The design issue
is only fascinating the tech people, but does not
offer a profit for a real use-case.
Take QNX RTP/4 for example. It can stay up and functional regardless of the situation, even through hardware installations. This is an assett for many uses; Nuclear Fuel monitoring, etc... Try that with a monolithic kernel.
OK, FreeBSD is also very portable, but it is also
a monolythic kernel design, like LINUX.
(is FreeBSD also available on Mainframes ??)
But do not assume, that Mach3 gains the
protability of FreeBSD !! At last, please only
count real distributions not possible hacks !!
On the MainFrame issue... Show me any corporation that uses Linux on a mainframe (for actual work), and I'll show you one poorly managed corporation. Anyway, to answer your question, NetBSD isn't available on a mainframe, but is Linux available (functionaly) on a VAX?
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I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your
right to say it.
--Voltaire
Re:Poor article & microkernels arch. are dead
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From the practical point of view, there are only
disadvantages, esp. higher ressource consumption
with regard to the memory capacity and processor
power.
Do you even know what a microkernel is? The very essence of the design is that it incorporates the smallest amount of stuff into kernel space as possible, and still maintains functionality. An ultra-small kernel is *not* indicative of resource hogging, an ultra-large monolithic kernel (like Linux) *is*.
Last not least, the most portable OS is Linux.
Hard to say, but this is the reality, and last
not least it is faster.
Complete and utter bullshit, just like everything else you've said up to this point. Have you ever heard of NetBSD sir?
Nobody takes profit from the "adavantages" of
the microkernel architecture, because erverybody
uses a SVR4 or a BSD personality. The Mach
seems only to be designed, to emulate off
the self environments, thats not an advantage !!!
Everybody? I've never heard of any law or decree that states that you must incorporate a UNIX layer atop of a microkernel foundation, have you? See, there's this OS called QNX RTP/4 that doesn't actually do this, and is pretty much heralded as a microkernel done right.
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I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.
--Voltaire
That skin tone censorware was not amazing in the least. In fact it was pretty dumb, I remember Maximum PC reviewing it. They simply ran some hardcore porn through a grayscale filter and guess what? It was not blocked since the software worked with RGB values in an image, and didn't even touch black and white.
By "nicest" I hope you mean prettiest, because it sure ain't functional. *NO* drag and drop supports at all. *NO* desktop at all. A large amount of the screen taken up by panels and bars -- at least 15%. Incongruancies with button (etc.) labeling. Pretty -- yes, functional and well thought out -- not in the least.
Most disturbing is the net.suicide newsgroup, however. At first I thought it was there for some
introspective views on the possible collapse of the internet they were on. Turns out to be a
newsgroup where posters want to commit suicide.
Uh, the majority of the posts there are satire. This one, for instance:
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net.suicide
utzoo!decvax!duke!ucf-cs!whm
Sat Dec 12 20:05:14 1981
Emergency meeting of UCF Suicide Club
The University of Central Florida Suicide Club will have an emergency
meeting on December 15 at 1:59 pm on the roof of the Humanities
and Fine Arts Building.
This meeting is being scheduled due to the Cap5623 (AI course) take-home
final exam being due on December 15 at 2:00pm.
Wrong. Supply and Demand dictates that prices rise when demand is low, and fall when it is high.
The less product x sells, the more it must be charged for to make the same amount of money, and the more it sells, the less it has to be charged for to make the same amount of money.
You are correct, cheap SCSI stuff is out there, but you have to buy signifigantly back in the curve to get it. So far back that current generation IDE implementations kick SCSI's ass at the same price point.
But, I just sort of have to look at that number and wonder how they manage to keep the all
volnteer effort competitive with all the commercial Linux distributions
They don't and can't keep up with all the commercial Linux distros. Witness their ultra-slow release cycle. Hardcore Deb boosters will say that this is just extreme quality control, but it's also because there aren't enough developers to implement new features fast enough. They could cut corners to keep up with the big distros, but that would negate everything Debian.
They do. Although there was a recent skirmish started by an idiotic faction that wanted non-free removed. What the hell does this have to do with the story though?
Re:It also works in Windows Me and 98
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Wha? The article you referenced is titled "Windows 95/98 Does Not Use Multiple Processors". And that's exactly what the article says, no mention of Windows ME.
Only Windows NT/2000 can use more than one processor. All other versions of Windows explicitly disable processors over ID 0.
Yes that's it. Slackware's versioning system is driven by "marketing weasels". You see, it's all very complex:
Slackware is just an imaginary brand name created by a huge computer firm. It strives to capture the user base of disenfranchised cynical computer users.
---- But the "marketing weasels" at the big computer firm decided that their Linux 3.4 was too small a version number, so they changed it to 7. Why 7? Sun did the same thing with Solaris, so why don't we?
>It is amazing how Jobs couldn't get NeXT to beat Apple.
Huh? NeXT never even competed with Apple in the same market. Apple had their SOHO, DTP, K12, and Graphics markets. NeXT aimed their products primarily at the buisness world -- financial institutions, buisness workstations, etc...
>so finally got Apple to buy NeXT
No, it was completely Apples doing. NeXT was dead, not out of buisness, but almost. Apple could have gone with Be Inc., but they decided on NeXT because they wanted Jobs back.
>then spent years re-making Apple into NeXT...
I don't think so... Apple still positions its products primarily at the home, K12, and DTP/Graphics houses/artists. They haven't even touched the buisness world (which was NeXT's primary market), and aren't ever going to unless Jobs is completely insane. You could say OSX server is going to have a go at the buisness market, but it appears that they're not really serious about OSX server.
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Since Linux is trying to target newbies and home-users, rpms, debian packages, and the like are good for those kinds of people. Ah yes, my Mom just called me the other day and was wondering how to setup reiserfs under Debian. She just didn't know what to do since there weren't any .deb's of it!
-BSD4.4-lite
NeXTSTEP 1.0 was released in June of 1989, that predates the release of 4.4BSD by almost 5 years. In fact, all releases of NeXTSTEP/OPENSTEP used 4.3BSD. The only *STEP that ever used 4.4BSD was Rhapsody. Where'd you get your info, Jack?
MacOSX 1.x (Rhapsody 5.x [where x    -BSD4.4-lite
No. MacOSX uses a BSD layer based upon FreeBSD 3.2, not 4.4BSD.
Perhaps you're partially color-blind and they're merely trichromatic?
He let /etc be writeable! If I was idiotic enough to run an OpenRoot type a thing, I'd be sure to mount everything I could readonly.
The BeOS kernel is not a microkernel, it's straight monolithic. It does however do a lot of work in userland with system servers (daemons), like screen painting (app_server), input monitoring (input_server), networking (net_server), etc...
Take QNX RTP/4 for example. It can stay up and functional regardless of the situation, even through hardware installations. This is an assett for many uses; Nuclear Fuel monitoring, etc... Try that with a monolithic kernel.
OK, FreeBSD is also very portable, but it is also a monolythic kernel design, like LINUX. (is FreeBSD also available on Mainframes ??) But do not assume, that Mach3 gains the protability of FreeBSD !! At last, please only count real distributions not possible hacks !!
It's NetBSD! Not FreeBSD!
On the MainFrame issue... Show me any corporation that uses Linux on a mainframe (for actual work), and I'll show you one poorly managed corporation. Anyway, to answer your question, NetBSD isn't available on a mainframe, but is Linux available (functionaly) on a VAX?
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I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.
--Voltaire
Do you even know what a microkernel is? The very essence of the design is that it incorporates the smallest amount of stuff into kernel space as possible, and still maintains functionality. An ultra-small kernel is *not* indicative of resource hogging, an ultra-large monolithic kernel (like Linux) *is*.
Last not least, the most portable OS is Linux. Hard to say, but this is the reality, and last not least it is faster.
Complete and utter bullshit, just like everything else you've said up to this point. Have you ever heard of NetBSD sir?
Nobody takes profit from the "adavantages" of the microkernel architecture, because erverybody uses a SVR4 or a BSD personality. The Mach seems only to be designed, to emulate off the self environments, thats not an advantage !!!
Everybody? I've never heard of any law or decree that states that you must incorporate a UNIX layer atop of a microkernel foundation, have you? See, there's this OS called QNX RTP/4 that doesn't actually do this, and is pretty much heralded as a microkernel done right.
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I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.
--Voltaire
That skin tone censorware was not amazing in the least. In fact it was pretty dumb, I remember Maximum PC reviewing it. They simply ran some hardcore porn through a grayscale filter and guess what? It was not blocked since the software worked with RGB values in an image, and didn't even touch black and white.
Uh, it's Harry Browne, not Brown (sans 'e').
By "nicest" I hope you mean prettiest, because it sure ain't functional. *NO* drag and drop supports at all. *NO* desktop at all. A large amount of the screen taken up by panels and bars -- at least 15%. Incongruancies with button (etc.) labeling. Pretty -- yes, functional and well thought out -- not in the least.
Have fun,
Nate
Uh, the majority of the posts there are satire. This one, for instance:
Aucf-cs.258
net.suicide
utzoo!decvax!duke!ucf-cs!whm
Sat Dec 12 20:05:14 1981
Emergency meeting of UCF Suicide Club
The University of Central Florida Suicide Club will have an emergency meeting on December 15 at 1:59 pm on the roof of the Humanities and Fine Arts Building.
This meeting is being scheduled due to the Cap5623 (AI course) take-home final exam being due on December 15 at 2:00pm.
Visitors are welcome.
Wrong. Supply and Demand dictates that prices rise when demand is low, and fall when it is high.
The less product x sells, the more it must be charged for to make the same amount of money, and the more it sells, the less it has to be charged for to make the same amount of money.
llorT diputS
You are correct, cheap SCSI stuff is out there, but you have to buy signifigantly back in the curve to get it. So far back that current generation IDE implementations kick SCSI's ass at the same price point.
Not even close. Compaq is licensing BSDi's "Parallel TCP/IP Stack". The key word there is *parallel*. FreeBSD does *not* have a parallel TCP/IP stack.
Read the press release for more info (although, one would think it logical to do this *before* posting).
Exactly, the only true Libertarian license is none at all.
Ah yes, the illustrious Debian fetish.
They don't and can't keep up with all the commercial Linux distros. Witness their ultra-slow release cycle. Hardcore Deb boosters will say that this is just extreme quality control, but it's also because there aren't enough developers to implement new features fast enough. They could cut corners to keep up with the big distros, but that would negate everything Debian.
They do. Although there was a recent skirmish started by an idiotic faction that wanted non-free removed. What the hell does this have to do with the story though?
Ah, only an AC changes topics in mid paragraph.
Wha? The article you referenced is titled "Windows 95/98 Does Not Use Multiple Processors". And that's exactly what the article says, no mention of Windows ME. Only Windows NT/2000 can use more than one processor. All other versions of Windows explicitly disable processors over ID 0.
Kill Rock Stars is the absolute epitome of indie labels, and they have the absolute epitome of indie punk bands, Sleater-Kinney.
Yes that's it. Slackware's versioning system is driven by "marketing weasels". You see, it's all very complex:
Slackware is just an imaginary brand name created by a huge computer firm. It strives to capture the user base of disenfranchised cynical computer users.
---- But the "marketing weasels" at the big computer firm decided that their Linux 3.4 was too small a version number, so they changed it to 7. Why 7? Sun did the same thing with Solaris, so why don't we?
>It is amazing how Jobs couldn't get NeXT to beat Apple.
Huh? NeXT never even competed with Apple in the same market. Apple had their SOHO, DTP, K12, and Graphics markets. NeXT aimed their products primarily at the buisness world -- financial institutions, buisness workstations, etc...
>so finally got Apple to buy NeXT
No, it was completely Apples doing. NeXT was dead, not out of buisness, but almost. Apple could have gone with Be Inc., but they decided on NeXT because they wanted Jobs back.
>then spent years re-making Apple into NeXT...
I don't think so... Apple still positions its products primarily at the home, K12, and DTP/Graphics houses/artists. They haven't even touched the buisness world (which was NeXT's primary market), and aren't ever going to unless Jobs is completely insane. You could say OSX server is going to have a go at the buisness market, but it appears that they're not really serious about OSX server.
Not originally. The NeXT Slabs came out well before the cubes.
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