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SuSE 7.0
DickBreath writes: "It looks like SuSE 7.0 is released. See http://linuxpr.com/releases/2272.html. Now I wonder how soon it will be on my local bookstore's shelf." cloudmaster points to this description -- in German, there for the babelfishing adventurer -- of the new release. In addition to the ever-evolving SuSE logo, you'll find there that SuSE is branching ala Red Hat and others into Personal and Professional versions; the Personal comes with "three easy to understand handbooks" intended to guide new users, one of which is all about system configuration.
I dunno, I mean the naming thing is a facade. You really have to compare OS by value of features. Honestly, you have Linux-Mandrake 7.1 which is just Red Hat 6.2 and some other stuff, I think. So, what the heck is the deal with the revision naming? Maybe the best indicator is just a comparison chart of features on some website. Anyone know of a "trusted" comparison chart?
I know that Caldera/Corel cater to the newbies mostly, RedHat/Mandrake for the mid range users, and Debian/Slack for the advanced users. Where does SuSE fit in? I've used all types of Linux distros, and found that the newbie ones are very limiting and you end up customizing them to no end which usually screws the package system. I've been wondering about SuSE and TurboLinux which are the only distros which I haven't used as far as where they lie on the difficulty/customizibiltiy scale.
Shine on, you crazy diamond.
...and splitting their distribution into a "Professional Edition" aimed toward IT professionals, and a "Home Edition" aimed at the home users who are new to Linux. I hear the professional edition is going to be expensive as hell, too (something like 41 pound sterling, which is like about $85.).
In any event, I think I'll just get the whole thing for free off the FTP site.
Friends don't let friends use multiple inheritance.
With the version 7.0 SuSE new ways goes. After seven years as most successful Linux Distributor in the German market it is now past with the " Linux Einerlei ": With " personnel " SuSE Linux starts the extensive " Professional " through on the domestic Desktop PC, meets all desires and request, which a professional places to its Linux.
SuSE Linux 7,0 personnel contacts Linux Einsteiger and private users, which would like to become acquainted with the advantages of the free Unix clone on a Desktop computer. Apart from current Linux system, are contained on three D-CRcOcMs numerous applications from the areas Games, Multimedia, picture handling and Internet. Which home and Officeanwender estimate: with StarOffice a complete Office package is attached to 5,2, which guarantees a smooth data exchange with other Office applications owing to revised import and export filters.
Three easily understandable manuals arrange spielerisch handling the new system for the Linux beginner: The " Quick Install manual " describes the Linux installation on 64 multicolored pages with numerous pictures step for step. With the new " Konfiguration" book learns the user, printer, scanner, D-CBurner, diagram -, to merge sound and TV cards optimally and to arrange the KDE Desktop after its taste. Netscape navigator, Gimp, Acrobat reader or Midnight Commander obtains the resuming manual " the programs " in compact form an overview of the most important functions of the most popular the acct the acct idiomacct idioms such as StarOffice.
SuSE Linux Professional 7,0 offers to ambitionierten home users such as IT professionals admits extensive collection of over 1500 current Linux tools and software packages. With SuSE Linux Professional can be implemented Intranet and Internet solutions likewise like the connection and the protection of heterogeneous networks. Profesionelle users find here all Tools, in order to WWW -, Proxy -, Mail -, News servers under Linux to put. The user has the selection between six D-CRcOcMs and a DVD, which is all together contained in the Professional package. Altogether four manuals supply on over 1000 pages current Linux Know how from first hand - also to special topics such as network configuration and security.
SuSE offers a economical update version beyond that to experienced Linux users. Their software scope is identical to SuSE Linux 7,0 Professional; in place of the 650-seitigen, detailed SuSE manual a compressed 60-seitige informs documentation about the most important innovations.
Substantially extended also the installation support contained in the purchase price presents itself: Immediately the SuSE Hotline is in five - instead of so far two - afternoons per week to services. Professional customers keep in the future 90 days long to support from the SuSE professionals, one month longer than so far. Users of the personal or update version have requirement on 60 days installation support.
More comfort offers also the again extended YaST2: In addition now the Nachinstallieren and Deinstallieren belong of single packages just like a NIS Client module or the configuration of the t-cDrl-acces. Also a graphic inetd.conf wordprocessor is new in Yast2 with which server services also separately from the Clients to install leaves itself. KDE enthusiasts can be pleased already now about the more than 200 Tools of PRE-KDE 2,0, the all-newest status of this " NEXT Generation" Desktops really succeeded.
Thus SuSE Linux is the only operating system that the complete installation enables to also blind users. The Braille lines are detected automatically with the start of the installation.
The 7,0 offers again a true filling horn at new features: Immediately the diagram chips profit from ATI, NVidia and Matrox from the XFree86 4.0-Grafikpower. - and gibtx27s only with SuSE - the support for dia. moon Fire GL1 is brand-new. Even if it is not yet official " raus ": SuSE already now brings a Linux Kernel, which one may call owing to numerous extensions confidently 2.2.17-pre. The extended USB support supplies experimental US multicolored supporting for ISDN, floppy one and Iomega Zip 250. For the first time now also scanners at the parallel port under Linux can be addressed. The support for the Adaptec RAID CONTROLLER is new. Also for the SCSI adapters on NCR base of the super+fast Symbios log IC chip SYM53C89Ä and SYM53C1010 participate now drivers. Also the advancement of the ATA standard on 100 mc/s is supported with the new SuSE Linux 7,0. Thus penetrates OATHS now into the performance regions from SCSI before Big bread ago including: SuSE Linux offers Videoconferencing in accordance with H.323-Standard. An extended bttv driver provides finally for a global support of TV cards. Also Java2 of IBM and Sun are not missing on the Professional. The Knaller from the o.l. SA labs: SuSE Linux 7,0 brings a hardware-supporting Plug and Play driver as the first distribution for all Yamaha (kompatiblen) Soundkarten with YMF72x and YMF74x-Chips.
SuSE Linux 7,0 Professional empfielt itself by improved Raw DEVICE support, LFS (Large file support) and 4GB-Hauptspeicheradressierung vehement now also as server system for very large and complex applications of data bases. The optimized support for fully automatic installations and the new SuSE Tool ALICE (AUTOMATIC Linux installation and Configuration Environment) enable a rational configuration management in enterprise networks
M$: "We're #2!"
Back in the day, Linux was the only operating system I'd ever touch with a 10 foot pole. I dispised windows for the simple fact that it lacked power. I felt so limited to what could be done or discovered by Windows, I simply refused to use it. However I eventually fell back to Windows for the simple fact that I wanted to play games and use well known applications. It's been a while, but now I find that there are so many distrobutions to choose from, it's difficult to determine "which is best for you". Slackware used to be my favoriate, simply because it was secure and neat, but it used old libs and sorta died. Which distro is the best for you? I guess the only way you can really determine that is by trial and error, since everyone has a different preference. Some people prefer simplicity which could fall towards Redhat for example, and some prefer it "raw". I find them all very similar, however some scream that Debian owns Redhat, and vice versa. Perhaps a comparison between the distros would be an interesting touch...
Finally, everyone's catching up to slackware :)
Wow, all these distributions are finally catching up to Slackware...
ebw
With version 7.,0 SuSE goes in new directions. After seven years as the most successful Linux distro in the German market it is now popular (?) with Linux developers. With Personal SuSE for a desktop PC and on through the extensive Professional SuSE for workplaces, SuSE Linux meets all the demands and requests.
SuSE Linux 7.0 Personal
SuSE Linux 7.0 Personal is recommended for Linux developers and users who would like to become acquainted with the advantages of a free Unix clone on a desktop computer. In addition to thecurrent Linux system, the three CD-ROMs contain numerous games, multimedia, graphics, and Internet applications. StarOffice 5.2, a complete office package, is included, guaranteeing a smooth data exchange with other office applications thanks to its revised import and export filters.
Three easily understandable manuals arrange information on operating the new system for the Linux beginner: The "Quick Install manual" describes the Linux installation on 64 color pages with numerous step-by-step pictures. The new "Configuration" book teaches the user how to configure the printer, scanner, CD-R driver, how to merge sound and TV cards optimally, and how to arrange the KDE Desktop to your taste. The last manual, "The Programs" presents an overview of the most functions of Netscape Navigator, the GIMP, Acrobat Reader and Midnight Commander in compact form.
SuSE Linux 7,0 Professional
SuSE Linux Professional 7.0 offers to ambitious home users (such as IT professionals) an extensive collection of over 1,500 current Linux tools and software packages. SuSE Linux Profesional contains the tools to implement Intranet and Internet solutions, as well as the connection and protection of those networks. Professional users will find all the tools to operate WWW, proxy, mail, and news servers under Linux. The user can choose between 6 CD-ROMs or a DVD, all of which are contained in the Professional package. A total of four manuals supply over 1000 pages of current Linux know-how, as well as covering special topics such as network configuration and security.
SuSE Linux 7.0 updates
In addition, SuSE offers a economical update version to experienced Linux users. Its software scope is identical to SuSE Linux 7.0 Professional; in place of the detailed 650-page SuSE manual, a compressed 60-page informs users about the most important innovations.
(Okay, I haven't taken German in a few years, but this should at least provide some information...)
What are you smoking? The GPL specifically states that someone may charge however much they wish for a GPL'd proggie. Go learn to fucking read
Yes that's it. Slackware's versioning system is driven by "marketing weasels". You see, it's all very complex:
Slackware is just an imaginary brand name created by a huge computer firm. It strives to capture the user base of disenfranchised cynical computer users.
---- But the "marketing weasels" at the big computer firm decided that their Linux 3.4 was too small a version number, so they changed it to 7. Why 7? Sun did the same thing with Solaris, so why don't we?
Well, at least the good ole' Penis Bird V1.0 hasn't sold out for the sake of making a dirty dollar.
You can always count on the Penis Bird
I've looked around (briefly) on ftp.suse.com - do they put out an ISO? Even of the trial version? Also, I found 6.4 - where's 7.0?
Fawking Trolls!
"Going to war without France is like going deer hunting without your accordion." - Jed Babbin
I'm an advanced user, so my opinion of what might be good for a beginner is probably very skewed.
I've been running SuSE for a while now, since a co-worker of mine went to work for them. One of the major things that attracted me to it was that one of the install options is the ability to choose ReiserFS as your default (root) filesystem.
I first installed 6.3. Recently, I installed a new box with 6.4-eval (they call their downloaded versions evals). I'm not at all afraid of non-graphical installs - I've been installing commercial UNIX boxes over a serial console for years. I found myself very much impressed with the graphical configuration/installation that SuSE has going. It found my hardware, presented appropriate technical options [module params] if you wanted them, etc.
All in all, I think it's a perfect blend of easy-to-use, and the level of control that your typical UNIX geek wants. The configure scripts are well thought out, and centered around a core "/etc/rc.config" settings file - which you can edit yourself if you wish, or have YaST do it for you.
..and it comes with damn near everything, but doesn't install all the fluff unless you want it to.
They offer add-on packages that aren't really part of the distro because they're not really mature yet, such as XFree86 4.0, on their FTP site.
Furthermore, they're going from a release 6.4 to a 7.0. This isn't abnormal. Part of it may be version creep - but it really wouldn't surprise me if it does, in fact, merit a full version increment.
I've tried most of the major Linux distributions - and SuSE is the one I've stuck with.
-Jeff
NO no no no no. You TOTALLY missed my point. I've USED Slackware - since 1994 as a matter of fact - until just reciently switching to Mandrake 7.1. Patrick released version 7 because of RED HAT and IT'S marketing idiots... NOW every one in the world is following suit. The symptom has become the disease. X.0 releases now seem destined to be followed x.1, and then x+1.0. It's nuts!
Fawking Trolls!
"Going to war without France is like going deer hunting without your accordion." - Jed Babbin
As for where SuSE fits, well it's BIG in Europe, and for corporate users, it's nice to have support just a car drive away - Internet or not. It's the default distro I'll get at local shops.
It's well known that they throw in a lot of stuff that you'd otherwise have to download. About 50% of the things I'd download actually are on the CD's.
Less known is probably that they're very fast getting the latest versions, drivers and stuff integrated in their distro. I was pleased to find USB support in 6.4, ATA/66 running fine out of the box, and XFree 4.0 with a nice GFX config tool. (Check those unsorted directories on their CD's for the XFree!)
SuSE is a hardworking gang that doesn't get all the PR they deserve - not everything needs to be RedHat :)
To each his own.... I run Mandrake 7.0 + XF86 4.0.... on my P2-300 w/ 128 megs, Win2k runs better.
~~~~~~~~~~
Martee
Thank you for demonstrating that you lack even the emotional stability and maturity of a three year old monkey.
Fawking Trolls!
"Going to war without France is like going deer hunting without your accordion." - Jed Babbin
forcing you to test the install with the monitor you were going to use suse with rather than give you a choice to go ahead without testing?? This was really dumb as it forced me to haul my 21 inch in from the other room rather than trusting me that I new what brand of monitor I was going to use??? Also, it doesn't create boot partition automatically to help a newbie such as myself out. So the install hurls chunks when it comes to newbies. Also, in the box the say they have phone tech support every day, but when you call them you get a message that tech support by phone is only available tuesday/thursday mornings. Isn't that what they're really selling is support??
Other newbie distro problems - if corels linux doesn't like a video/sound/scsi card you have in your system it freezes during install.
Mandrake 7.0 - if it doesn't like your video card it freezes up at the end of an 1 hour install and doesn't install xfree86. My reason why they were quick to come out with 7.1.
I couldn't never get turbo linux to install.
Caldera is the only distro that installed hitch free with the hardware I was using - however star office install doesn't work as shipped with the disks - Tech support was available however and I was able to install with their help. However when I called to ask about printing out from the gimp they were totally clueless on how to do it - it does not ship with a method of doing so. I have since learned that they're GPL plugins that can accomplish this (in a limited way)
I'm not technically illiterate, just coming from a windoze 'click thru' enviroment. For the newbie, linux has a loooong way to go, as most of us are not prepared for a visit to the command line that linux eventually forces you to. And if I have a hard time, what do you think that the vast majority of the population is going to think when they try to install???? I really hope eazel lives up to its billing for linux's sake.
*2000-07-31 18:39:55 Steve Ballmer says Linux 'is communism' (articles,news) (rejected)
http://www.theregister.co.uk/cont ent/1/12266.html
It's time to storm the redmond campus with toilet paper and potatoes...
"Don't try to confuse the issue with half truths and gorilla dust."
Bill McNeal (Phil Hartman)
1: The joke: Let's see how long it will take until they update the /. ad. They were featuring SuSE 6.3 long after I bought 6.4 .
/etc, disabled the SuSE config file and never run their updater again.On a plus side, they did a wonderfull job at making Oracle8i installation painless on their distribution. The instructions on Oracle web site were refering to RedHat and didn't work. SuSE packages all aditional downloads into one file and provided easy to follow instructions.
2: The question: Am I the only one who expects Kernel-2.4, Apache 2.0, TUX 1.0, GCC 3.0, KDE 2.0 in the next WhizBang Linux XX.00? What did _CHANGE_ between 6.4 and 7.0 to warrant a full version increase?
3: The fact: _Su_SE _Su_pport _Su_cks: I've bought 6.4 because I wanted to became aquainted with other Linux distributions (I am using RedHat since 4.1...). I wanted something that automatically installs reiserfs, UDMA 66... After install,
my first thought was to configure sendmail. Well... I copied the appropriate lines from my old sendmail.cf into the new one, edited the SuSE specific configuration file and ran yast to update the whole thing. Lather, rinse, repeat. Nothing. I mailed their support. They answered that they don't provide support for mail
configuration. ON THE BOX THEY SAY 30 DAYS OF SUPPORT except for some advanced customization: I don't consider envelope masquerading for redirecting my and my wife's mail _advanced customization_. They recommended me to buy support from Linuxcare. Of course, I've copied my whole sendmail.* from my old RedHat
Let's not forget that 6.4 has 6 CD's which I bought for close to twenty-four bucks. Now, 7.0 comes out with just 3. It's really to bad that this is happening, I think that if Linux want's to stay strong they should keep the prices low. Today I was reading a magazine and it said a usual Linux (shrinkwrap) version normally costs less than 200 bucks. That's really bad press, for a "free" operating system. And the sad thing is that that was meant as a complement. For anyone intersted the magazine was Law Office Computing, and the cover title was Linux in the Law Office.
This is pretty silly.
Both Red Hat and SuSE have been planning such a release for a long time now. That Red Hat's _beta_ was announced slightly before SuSE's product is a coincidence.
-josh
WinME stable?
Perhaps. It's chunks for me. 7200rpm Deskstar ATA66, 128MB, PII-450, TNT2. Wasn't any better or worse with a G200/32. Win2000 seems smoother. Heck, 98se was smoother!
*nix, whether it's Caldera, Redhat, *BSD beat M$.
But then, BeOS beats them all. Too bad TFC isn't ported to Be.
-sid
I just have checked the pricing on their website. It's DM 89 (ca. 45 US$) for the personal and DM 129 (ca. 65 US$) for the professional version. Compare this to DM 229 (ca. 115 US$) for Red Hat Deluxe. So they are still pretty reasonable priced. But I have switched to Redhat anyway. SuSE gave me the willies with their pretty proprietary directory structure. Always made problems when installing downloaded RPMs.
I agree with you completely! I switched 1.5 years ago (I think) from RedHat when they introduced their new pricing scheme and priced even entry level at like $90 Canadian. They introduced "standard" version after a few months but they already lost me. I buy 2-3 distributions per year and I don't want to give them more than about 45-50 Canadian. Hell, if I wanted to pay more I'd get Microsoft!! (Oh wait, I do spend few hundred per year on m$ software). I mean, it's free OS! If you're gonna charge $150 then don't upgrade it more than once in two years and release only service packs for free. I am willing - and I **DO** pay like $150 CDN per year for linux, but don't push it man.
Yeah, sure, you can say they have cheap software only version, or it's free for download - but that's just not it. Besides it's not really all that black and white, suse comes out on ftp almost a month after it's released and is about 20% of the full distro size (just one CD usually)), so I always buy it. I do have a cable modem and CD burner and I even have time to do all that but I find it too time consuming and besides I have better things to do.
I want one version and one price. Sure, go ahead and publish "e-commerce edition" with commercial stuff for $$$ but if you're gonna introduce a "professional" version costing more than $50 CDN and force me to buy a "regular" (read: "weenie, beginner, looser") one, then forget it! Especially since DM is quite low compared to CDN right now (and NO, Canada is not US, you can't just convert US price to Canadian, we don't earn gazillions here).
As you may tell, this pisses me off. Bloody marketing types destroying my corner of the world.
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English translation (from babelfish) for the SuSE announcement
-b
Did anyone notice the authors name? DickBreath
The latest SuSE release doesn't have any new features that would justify the version number 7. There are a few things that are quite new, like the fact, that you can now get a professional and a personal edition, the personal edition costing as much as the "normal" edition used to cost, whereas the professional version will cost DM 129 (compared to DM 89). The other new thing is "a much improved" yast2, which in my opinion is completely useless. I like yast a lot and use it on a daily basis, but I see no need for a badly designed graphical version of it. Have you ever tried selecting a bunch of packages with a doubleclick for each item? that's fun... my wrist starts hurting whenever I think about that... the graphical installer sucks compared to Caldera's, which is really smooth, has awesome hardware detection and let's me configure things while the installation is running... yast2 in comparison has a GUI that is non-intuitiv, the hardware-detection misses stuff Caldera detects and the installation process takes longer.
what else is new? hmm, a KDE2beta snapshot, a patched XFree 4.0, other than that nothing that I could remember...
Personally, I couldn't care less whether they have a personal and a professional version out, since I always just install the stuff via NFS from fpt.gwdg.de, which is the local mirror and is always up-to-date when it comes to SuSE. I understand that SuSE tries to package a distribution that is geared towards the enduser or beginner and one package for developers or "powerusers", but I think a lot of customers will be confused by the new packaging... oh yeah, speacking about packaging, I wish they would finally get a real marketing team and then get rid of this crappy logo, the weird mathematical figures and the ugly colors.
I think I will now be buying only even releases of SuSE because of their price. I am using some packages of the "pro" version (like IBM JDK...) so I can't go with the personal one.
It's sad that their price got a 100% increase for really few added functionality...
If anything surely Linux is anarchist?
This took my mind back to reading the reason for Slackware's jump from 4 to 7. Is there really that much improvement in either Suse's or Red Hat's latest offerings? At this rate, how long will it take before we have SuSE 24.1? Dammit! Just pay attention to the product, not the version number. Anyway, where can I download Linux 7?
-psxndc
PS I love SuSE, but 6.3 will do me fine until kernel 2.4 (full USB mainly) has arrived, X4.0 is all ironed out, and somehow I can use my TNT2 Ultra for Q3 and UT.
The emacs religion: to be saved, control excess.
Cutting through the PR speak, is this a significant development from version 6.4? or merely an incremental? I have been using linux for about a year so still getting used to the core functionality of it all. Will I notice a difference or is the upgrade only of value to all you gurus n wizards out there who are doing developmental work?
I am on a home telephone line so ftp'ing down anything over a few Mbs is out of the question (good old UK British Telecom pay per minute phone bills). Is it worth me going out and buying the new version on disc?
Can somebody succinctly list the major developments that this new version offers?
cheers
Now, if only Dell hadn't changed the sound chip to one that isn't supported by ALSA yet...
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Dunx
Converting caffeine into code since 1982
Thank you Slashdot for another beautifully misleading story! SUSE 7 is NOT OUT. SUSE 7 has been announced for the end of the month (though that probably means boxes, with the iso's waiting a while longer). We are providing SUSE with some of the early FUD publicity that MS is so famous for. If the story was "SUSE announces SUSE 7 using 2.4, X4, KDE2, mozilla, apache 2" and every other major release coming then it would be a story. All they have done is announce that they want to extract some more money from the market by doing an Intel/MS/AMD by selling a cut-down version for lusers that will truly cost as much to produce as the main version.
Never underestimate the dark side of the Source
It's just an announcement that they will make two versions, a "Personal" and a "Professional" version.
;-)
I don't consider it as _released_.
According to the press release: Both versions will be available at the end of August.
Don't panic
Substantially extended the installation support contained in the purchase price. Now the SuSE Service Hotline is operating five - instead of the previous two - afternoons per week. Professional Edition customers have 90 days of support from the SuSE professionals, one month longer than previously. Users of the Personal or Update Version have 60 days installation support.
YaST2 & KDE 2.0 - and the Desktop lives!
The upgraded YaST2 offers more comfort. In addition now the Nachinstallieren and Deinstallieren are single packages, just like a NIS Client module or the configuration of the T-DSL-Access. YaST2 also includes a new graphic inetd.conf editor, with which server services also install separately from the Clients. KDE enthusiasts will be pleased to know about the more than 200 Tools of PRE-KDE 2.0, the all-newest stat of "Next Generation" Desktops.
Support of Braille lines with the installation
So far, SuSE Linux is the only operating system with a complete installation for blind users. The Braille lines are detected automatically at the start of the installation.
Hardware ;)]
[This part may be a little off, I'm not much of an hardware expert
Version 7.0 again again a true cornucopia of new features. Now, with XFree86 4.0 graphics power, the graphics chips benefit from ATI, NVidia and Matrox. Brand-new -- and found only in SuSE -- is support for the Diamond Fire GL1.
Even if it is not yet an official release, SuSE already now brings a Linux Kernel, which (owing to numerous extensions), we call confidently call 2.2.17-pre. The extended USB support supplies experimental support for ISDN, Floppy and Iomega Zip 250. For the first time, scanners on parallel ports can be addressed under Linux. The support for the Adaptec RAID Controller is also new. And for the SCSI adapters on NCR-Basis are drivers for the super-fast Symbios log IC chips SYM53C895A and SYM53C1010. Also, the advancement of the ATA standard on 100 MHz is supported with the new SuSE Linux 7.0. This pushes EIDE into the performance regions from SCSI before Big Brother, including videoconferencing in accordance with H.323-Standard. An extended bttv driver finally provides for a full support of TV cards. Also IBM and Sun's Java2 can be found in the Professional Edition. The Knaller from the ALSA labs: SuSE Linux 7.0 brings a hardware-supporting Plug and Play driver as the first distribution for all Yamaha-compatible Soundcards with YMF72x and YMF74x-Chips.
Linux Goes Enterprise
SuSE Linux 7.0 Professional distinguishes itself with improved Raw Device support, LFS (Large file support), and 4GB-[something] addressing [something], now as a server system for very large and complex applications of data bases. The optimized support for fully automatic installations and the new SuSE Tool ALICE (AUTOMATIC Linux Installation and Configuration Environment) are a logical configuration tool for enterprise networks.
If you look at Suse's homepage it says "August 21" right there ("ab 21. August erhältlich"). http://www.suse.de/
http://www.suse.de/de/produkte/susesoft/linux/Pake te_prof/pak_diff.html
This makes me think.
The list of packages included in the Professional Version but not the Personal.
So why does the homeuser of the Personal SuSE not get Abiword?
The list speaks for itself...there are plenty packages I would want to have as a Homeuser.
Whatever, I stick to Debian anyway...
Why SuSe 7? It clearly doesn't deserve a full release number.
Answer: RedHat 7. There ares still people out there who think all version numbers are on an absolute scale, and JoeBlox Linux version 8 will be newer/more up-to-date than Suse 6.5. Better to go for a number that sounds like its 'keeping up' with RedHat.
These people look deep within my soul and assign me a number based on the order in which I joined. -- Homer Simpson
You have to keep in mind that people who read Law Office Computing, and other non-Linux trade magazines generally look for shrinkwrap software with printed manuals with sufficient handholding during installation. That along with printing mass CD's is going to cost. These are also people who tend to be suspicious about anything just given away "free" and are downright leery of anything that requires mailing list help to support.
It's for these people that the shrinkwrap sets, Corel Linux, Caldera et. al, were made and it's been this slow creep into the non gearhead world which has brought Linux into the mainstream.
In short, in many cases whether press is "bad" or "good" can depend very much on the target audience.
I've been a SuSE user for 2 years. I love it, I like the fact that they are packaged with a large array of programs. This is good for me since I use it mainly as a learning tool. Now my question is will the professional version be a a $100+ package and the personal be a toned down gui hell child. I've used caldera and redhat and though ease of use is great I want something that will allow a fair amount of learning through exposer. is SuSE moving away from this ??
This is the reason I chose SuSE over red hat. about 2 years ago I had a Matrox G200 card, and RedHat 5.1. After researching and downloading the latest XFree stuff I was still stuck. the only option I had was the cig drivers $100+ then I found out that SuSE made the XFcom driver which worked with the card and was including it in there relase. viola problem solved. like the distru ever since.
and we wonder why people get confused.
there should be some kind of campaign to get all these distros to design their packaging and promotions to call their distros "Suse 7.0 (Linux)" or "Redhat 7 (Linux)" not "(suse) LINUX 7"
That's just misleading to the large number of people who haven't used linux before, and are looking to try it.
________
It seems that With SuSE taking the same path as Red Hat in their distro structure and PRICE$$$ structure they will be charging the same if not more than M$ does for thier so-called OS. At this rate we as Linux zelots will have one less thing to use as a strong point to buy and use Linux. I sold my boss on using Linux because of it's price factor.
1) Free - if we download it.
2) SuSE 6.4 was $29.00 at Chump USA for all 6 CD's and the manual.
My boss wanted to use Win2K. But if SuSE goes this route I don't think I will be able to keep the price argument valid. Especially since my boss is a M$ zelot anyway.
Hey SuSE and Red Hat - your making it HARD for us trying to get Linux in the Business world with your drastic price jumps! You should not have gone Public and sold your souls to bean counting stockholders!
The Truth is a Virus!!!
Redhat doesn't artificially inflate their version numbers, as has been explained by bero-rh, they do it when some change in the new version prevents clean compilation of a package form a previous version.
For the record, I too started with Slack in '94, but switched to RH in '96. Why would you switch to Mandrake (which is after all, a RH derivative) and not to RH? Mindless spite for the company?
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My personal feeling is that the major version number should only change when the second digit of the linux kernel changes (e.g., 2.2.x -> 2.4.x). Of course, if they feel that they've done something else that may cause their product to be unstable ...
Is there a site that collects reviews of the various releases?
I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
Hooooold on a minute - honour where honour is due. SuSE didn't jump on the Linux bandwagon like the others, they've been around a long, long time. If there are a godzillion Linux distributions out there then it's hardly their fault. Do you know what, what's great about unixlike systems is that quality still counts for something and marketing doesn't count for shit. Red Hack spend millions on marketing, SuSE spend millions on improving their distribution and making **real** innovations (not acquisitions: real home-bred innovations) ... and I'm betting that SuSE get a lot further than Red Hack in this game. Why?
Because SuSE just oozes quality.
No, your children are not the special ones. Nor are your pets.
i'm a suse user for years but i don't like this numbers game! currently i'm using a suse 6.3 system (updated to 2.4pre and xfree4).
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7.0 won't be a major release at all. there isn't a kernel 2.4 (2.2.16) or kde2 (kde1.2 and kde2beta).
the 7.0-thing is only for marketing to closeup to mandrake and red hats version numbers.
i can't understand why those distributors can't use the kernel-id as version number.
7.0 will come with reiserfs and xfree4.1 as standard - this may be the only reason to update. ok- the easier installing (in 6.4 yast2 was still buggy, but who needs it??
the next bad thing about this version is the price- ok there is a cheaper personal version and a not so cheap professional version. but the price for the personal version is nearly the same of a normal 6.4 - but it only comes with 3cds... the professional is more expensive and comes with nearly the same range of apps ~1500 like a normal 6.4. the only difference is 7.0pro will come with some books (i think they will be only folders
so i will wait till a distro with 2.4 and kde2.
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Actually the price may be worthwhile as I could
free a few gigs by removing Winblows 98 for good.
I only have 3G over 24G for winblows but it seems
like such a waste.
The only thing that keeps Winblows on my PC is
the fact that my parallel port scanner isn't
supported under Linux.
Once that bug is fixed I fail to see what I
use I could possibly find for Winblows aside
from wasting hard disk space and acting as virus
much too often.
No - for one reason - it ALL worked the first time, after the default install. My sound card worked, it detected my printer, etc. Nothing like RH or Slackware at all to set. I still may go back to Slackware, since I like to be able to use the standard kernel and not have it break my distrobution.
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Per this c|net story, pretty much all of the major distro's are gearing up for beta releases of new versions so they will be ready when the 2.4 kernel goes final.
Caldera will even be selling their beta as a $20 'Linux 2.4 Technology Developer Release Preview'. If find this humorous, in that not only would you be paying to run beta software, you'd be paying to run beta open source software. But they will rebate the purchase price back to you, so your really just paying shipping. (or you can just download it).
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You may or may not be serious here, but I figured WTF?
SuSE has always (at least as long as I've been using it) gone to the next major version after 4 'dot' releases. In the time that I've been using them I've seen 5.0, 5.1, 5.2, 5.3, 5.4, 6.0, 6.1, 6.2, 6.3, 6.4, and now 7.0. I don't think this had anything to do with Red Hat's releases. In fact, up until this release, SuSE was always (number wise) quite a bit ahead of Red Hat. As far as releases go, SuSE seems to have quite a few more than Red Hat in a comparable period of time. It appears about twice as many 'official' releases each year.
Anyway, it seems that SuSE's release numbers are dictated partly by major software revisions (6.0 was for the new libraries, KDE 1.0 release, and kernel 2.2, and I believe the new release will include KDE 2.0 betas and XFree 4.0) and partly on some internal orginization that determines the next cycle. But as far as I know they release 4 dot releases after a x.0 release and then move to the next full number.
Bite my yammer.
In a recent project, me and four other linux programmers tried to install XFree4.0 from Suse's instruction - it doesn't work. Even from a fresh install, it doesn't work. (At least it doesn't work when we follow thier instruction. I didn't bother to try more and simply bought the new video card.)
On another note. SuSE seems to have "chronical" problem in some unknown lib. This is why we can't get netscape to display color at www.fileangel.org on a SuSE machine. Wierd thing is, the new Netscape even displays Flash without a problem.
I have run SuSE since 5.2, transfered from the stuborn libc5 Slackware. There are quite a few other problems:
- Acrobat reader (from thier distro) never works. I have never bothered to try compile it but some told me they don't even compile on a SuSE.
- Wordperfect never works. Period. So many people got disasterous result for trying to fix it.
- RealAudio also never works.
For the above reasons, I can't recommand SuSE to a Windows newbie. (How will they live without Acrobat, realaudio, wordperfect...) I still use SuSE because of all the other wonderful things it has: the clear configuration. The huge selection. The excellent manual. Most of all, every GUI configured file is seperated from hand-configurable files and they are clearly marked. Good job. (So please, you guys, fix this. I paid for every install.)
Another complain: On the box set, I expect a bootable live filesystem "rescue" CD. They do not include it anymore and state that we can purchase these CDs from thier site. Well, they never even mention it on the web site.
As a paying user of SuSE for more than two years, I'm very disapointed about this news. I'm sure none of the experienced SuSE users want to buy the "Home user" version. In that aspect, the price hike is unacceptable. Sure. I have a dual oc-3 backbone that I never have to worry about download time, but I am not willing to USE and hence PROMOTE SuSE under this "Power user scam."
...Especially after dealing with so many problems including wordperfect, real audio, acrobat reader, netscape's strange behavior and random crashes. These all appear on the SuSE boxes regardless of our effort to download the latest software. The redhat boxes have no such problems.
... The king is dead; long live the king.
They should have waited with that version number, at least before KDE 2.0 was REALLY out.. Why now? Have they finally fixed all the bugs in YaST2? It is a fine tool to make an install, but it didn't replace YaST1 in previous versions..
For the rest, GO SuSE!
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I have been using SUSE for years now. (My first was a Suse 5.1 Box, replaced my Ydgrassil distro) and I have found that it has the most complete selection of packages of any distro. And considering I run a LUG and get the software free (most times) that becomes very important. After using Suse so long I wonder how the other Distro's get by with 1 or 2 cd's....
Well, since I got it sitting on the shelf right beside me I guess I must be in fairy land then, right?
I own a copy of each of the versions I listed, in the box, with manuals, retail versions. Since I looked at the pile before posting, I'm pretty sure I know what's sitting in front of me. Perhaps you missed the 5.4 release?
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