Everyone here has made some excellent points. From the source of the defacement (a bad webpage script) to a nice little package called "autoslack". I wish the moderators had enough brains to mod up some replies to my post.
Updating your software to be the "latest and greatest(?)" is ALWAYS a bad idea! I'm not proposing that, what I'm pointing out is the NEED for automated security updates.
I do run update/upgrade on my debian unstable box at home every night, and every few days I have to check out what's broken and see if I can submit a bug report. I have a few other servers which use stable which if you knew much about debian, is mostly feature frozen. Debian has a rigorous packaging standard and a great QC division. I'm fairly confident that packages coming out of the pool are good enough for a power user. Packages in the stable distribution have gone through many iterations and integration testing. Security updates applied in haste may not have the same level of testing, but I'd much rather have exploits corrected than wait for complete integration testing.
I'm not certain about your security argument. Sometime last week slackware.org was defaced. The phrase "Not only windows can be hacked." or some misspelling thereof (sorry, didn't grab it) appeared on their site.
Slackware needs some method of keeping current. On a stable debian box with updates pointed at security.debian.org a nightly (or hourly!) call to apt-get update; apt-get upgrade (with appropriate flags to resolve prompts you might be given during the package upgrade) will assure that you have the latest security patches applied. BSD has make World, redhat has up2date, mandrake has urpm... these are all inferior, but fine alternatives. Even microsoft has windowsupdate (which was also subjected to defacement the other day ha!) and various unattended install methods which come with the OS.
Oak Ridge is parially related to TVA, they do some very sensitive stuff there (like building THE bomb). I remember when I went in to one of their centers they give you a work over with the metal detectors and everything.
I know of a few projects here which have wound up in commercial venus. *Usually* a commercial org is sponsoring any major project, but many proejcts aren't and I've seen a few GPL ones. I believe that the student is free to publish their work in GPL, but that the university has just as much a claim to that work so they could release it under different licensing because it does in part belong to them.
if you're writing C++ that's slower than Perl you're doing something wrong. I challenge you to support any statement to the contrary.
Sure, Perl has built in facillities that can do some common stuff very quickly, but if you used the same algorithms in C++ it would almost certainly execute faster.
very nice... 145kbps from here, and my network sux ass!
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check out Metro X's server... I believe that they post Quake 3 benchmarks as good as in windows... unfortunately I'm 300 miles from home stuck on a winblowz box (IE crashes every time I try to use google... must reboot)... or I'd post a link...
Exactly, PKI is no joke... sure you can have peer authentication, but everyday people are *going* to make mistakes and add someone to their trust network that they can't neccessarily trust.
You are buying trust, and liability... if Verisign's infrastructure fails then they are liable for any damage to their customer's trust infrastructure. It may be that Verisign isn't setup for catastropic failure (do the research yourself). You need to see their contracts specify liability and how much, and who pays and who is backing them. Who provides their insurance? What does that policy cover? What's their PKI policy, how is this ENsured? How is that procedure audited?
I prefer that which makes me happy... all these things could make me happy, I don't favor any of them... I might have had previous positive/negative experiences relating to them, but that does not preclude the realm of future possibility.. so I don't have a strong preference for one and against another...
sure... it strikes me odd that one could have such a strong preference for one kind of a person or another so far as to abstain from a particular kind of contact with them
when there is no sort of historical connotation I find it incredably shallow... when there is one I do think it *borders* on racism
have you ever dated/danced with/kissed a black girl? why not?
(b) I find white women more attractive than black women (which has nothing to do with racial preference)
Why doesn't that have anything to do with racial preference? Is it purely pathological (i.e. instinctively and inexplicably more attractive) or psychological (i.e. psychologically -- a race preference). If it was only pathological could you identify that trait in yourself at all?
xfree 4.0 plus xlibmesa3 plus kernel 2.4.x with the right modules = DRI OUT OF THE BOX! no recompiling no downloading anything by hand no editing configuration files! (at least on a g400)
ok, "christian"... how are the writings of Paul and.... relevant to the teachings of Christ?
are those Christ's opinions.. or the interpretation of a third party?
and instead of wasting my time with something I've allready done, why don't you provide citations to support your point... it's rediculous that I'd do your argumentative research FOR you...
as for common background, you'd be suprised how close I was to going to seminary (a familly tradition)
Perhaps you, sir, had better not use TeX, seeing how it was developed by a Christian. Don't use Perl either, because that's Larry Wall's creation, and he's Christian too. Who knows what good-intentioned God-blessed works may be lingering in your computer! The horror of not having everything you see somehow related to Marilyn Manson! How can you live with yourself?
take 20 seconds and read the opening arguments on my homepage... as you'll see I'm not anti-christian...
in fact most pagans are not anti-christian... unfortunately Christians seem to have a habbit of being anti-pagan (and to some extent anti-everything that is not blessed by their book)
to reitterate you ignore the ideology of the old testament while practicing it's laws?
or is there a law in the new testament concerning homosexuality...
I only seem to recall ONE law that came from JC ("love god & love thy neighbor" i.e. just love -- ironically "love is the law" is a basic tennant from someone you probably consider satanic)
so you can't eat pig's flesh or plant crop in the corners of your field, but it's ok for your wife to have a lesbian affair (nothing in Leviticus about that one!), and it's ok for you to have premarital sex, but a woman deserves death... (much like the "soddomite")
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Everyone here has made some excellent points. From the source of the defacement (a bad webpage script) to a nice little package called "autoslack". I wish the moderators had enough brains to mod up some replies to my post.
Updating your software to be the "latest and greatest(?)" is ALWAYS a bad idea! I'm not proposing that, what I'm pointing out is the NEED for automated security updates.
I do run update/upgrade on my debian unstable box at home every night, and every few days I have to check out what's broken and see if I can submit a bug report. I have a few other servers which use stable which if you knew much about debian, is mostly feature frozen. Debian has a rigorous packaging standard and a great QC division. I'm fairly confident that packages coming out of the pool are good enough for a power user. Packages in the stable distribution have gone through many iterations and integration testing. Security updates applied in haste may not have the same level of testing, but I'd much rather have exploits corrected than wait for complete integration testing.
I'm not certain about your security argument. Sometime last week slackware.org was defaced. The phrase "Not only windows can be hacked." or some misspelling thereof (sorry, didn't grab it) appeared on their site.
Slackware needs some method of keeping current. On a stable debian box with updates pointed at security.debian.org a nightly (or hourly!) call to apt-get update; apt-get upgrade (with appropriate flags to resolve prompts you might be given during the package upgrade) will assure that you have the latest security patches applied. BSD has make World, redhat has up2date, mandrake has urpm... these are all inferior, but fine alternatives. Even microsoft has windowsupdate (which was also subjected to defacement the other day ha!) and various unattended install methods which come with the OS.
How can you do this in slackware?
what about windows NT guarding the security of our most powerful weapons? ;->
not that I'm an expert on ORNL, but I met with a sysadmin in Oak Ridge briefly years ago when they decided to switch from Solaris to NT.
Oak Ridge is parially related to TVA, they do some very sensitive stuff there (like building THE bomb). I remember when I went in to one of their centers they give you a work over with the metal detectors and everything.
I know of a few projects here which have wound up in commercial venus. *Usually* a commercial org is sponsoring any major project, but many proejcts aren't and I've seen a few GPL ones. I believe that the student is free to publish their work in GPL, but that the university has just as much a claim to that work so they could release it under different licensing because it does in part belong to them.
shit man, you haven't been on the microsoft campus lately have you???
or do you not ever step outside M$'s marketing department?
if you're writing C++ that's slower than Perl you're doing something wrong. I challenge you to support any statement to the contrary.
Sure, Perl has built in facillities that can do some common stuff very quickly, but if you used the same algorithms in C++ it would almost certainly execute faster.
very nice... 145kbps from here, and my network sux ass!
check out Metro X's server... I believe that they post Quake 3 benchmarks as good as in windows... unfortunately I'm 300 miles from home stuck on a winblowz box (IE crashes every time I try to use google... must reboot)... or I'd post a link...
Exactly, PKI is no joke... sure you can have peer authentication, but everyday people are *going* to make mistakes and add someone to their trust network that they can't neccessarily trust.
You are buying trust, and liability... if Verisign's infrastructure fails then they are liable for any damage to their customer's trust infrastructure. It may be that Verisign isn't setup for catastropic failure (do the research yourself). You need to see their contracts specify liability and how much, and who pays and who is backing them. Who provides their insurance? What does that policy cover? What's their PKI policy, how is this ENsured? How is that procedure audited?
This is why you pay.
But there are no modules/dri files in this update...
check the file list here
no radeon_dri.o
my file list was the Xdrivers.tgz subsection of that list...
posts on linuxgames confirm it... HeUnique is smoking crack
they haven't merged the DRI CVS with the main X distribution
What are you talking about? There's no radeon_dri.o in the files list!
It looks like we've got to stick with DRI's CVS for quake on a radeon...
lib/modules/drivers/chips_drv.o
lib/modules/drivers/cyrix_drv.o
lib/modules/drivers/glint_drv.o
lib/modules/drivers/i810_drv.o
lib/modules/drivers/mga_drv.o
lib/modules/drivers/neomagic_drv.o
lib/modules/drivers/nv_drv.o
lib/modules/drivers/r128_drv.o
lib/modules/drivers/s3virge_drv.o
lib/modules/drivers/savage_drv.o
lib/modules/drivers/sis_drv.o
lib/modules/drivers/tdfx_drv.o
lib/modules/drivers/trident_drv.o
lib/modules/drivers/tseng_drv.o
lib/modules/drivers/vga_drv.o
lib/modules/extensions/libextmod.a
lib/modules/fonts/libfreetype.a
lib/modules/input/mouse_drv.o
lib/modules/libvgahw.a
lib/modules/libxf8_16bpp.a
that's it... (rage 128 looks updated tho)
only mention of radeon in release notes is in the 4.0.2 section...
but renderer extension on Xinerama!
Try starting X with no window manager and no desktop (i.e. no gdm and blank your ~/xinit) then ssh and start up your favorite WM remotely
I noticed that too... Maybe this is one case where RMSian zealotry does linux in general some good?
who needs vnc anyways?
what bennefit does it have over ssh + X11 forwarding? (besides running on windows)
I prefer that which makes me happy... all these things could make me happy, I don't favor any of them... I might have had previous positive/negative experiences relating to them, but that does not preclude the realm of future possibility.. so I don't have a strong preference for one and against another...
sure... it strikes me odd that one could have such a strong preference for one kind of a person or another so far as to abstain from a particular kind of contact with them
when there is no sort of historical connotation I find it incredably shallow... when there is one I do think it *borders* on racism
have you ever dated/danced with/kissed a black girl? why not?
(b) I find white women more attractive than black women (which has nothing to do with racial preference)
Why doesn't that have anything to do with racial preference? Is it purely pathological (i.e. instinctively and inexplicably more attractive) or psychological (i.e. psychologically -- a race preference). If it was only pathological could you identify that trait in yourself at all?
unstable rawks...
xfree 4.0 plus xlibmesa3 plus kernel 2.4.x with the right modules = DRI OUT OF THE BOX! no recompiling no downloading anything by hand no editing configuration files! (at least on a g400)
- Paul and ...
+ Paul
forgot who wrote Galations...
ok, "christian"... how are the writings of Paul and .... relevant to the teachings of Christ?
are those Christ's opinions.. or the interpretation of a third party?
and instead of wasting my time with something I've allready done, why don't you provide citations to support your point... it's rediculous that I'd do your argumentative research FOR you...
as for common background, you'd be suprised how close I was to going to seminary (a familly tradition)
Perhaps you, sir, had better not use TeX, seeing how it was developed by a Christian. Don't use Perl either, because that's Larry Wall's creation, and he's Christian too. Who knows what good-intentioned God-blessed works may be lingering in your computer! The horror of not having everything you see somehow related to Marilyn Manson! How can you live with yourself?
take 20 seconds and read the opening arguments on my homepage... as you'll see I'm not anti-christian...
in fact most pagans are not anti-christian... unfortunately Christians seem to have a habbit of being anti-pagan (and to some extent anti-everything that is not blessed by their book)
actually, I have a history of non-gibberish... that's my permanent +1 (voluntarily disabled here for being OT)
to reitterate you ignore the ideology of the old testament while practicing it's laws?
or is there a law in the new testament concerning homosexuality...
I only seem to recall ONE law that came from JC ("love god & love thy neighbor" i.e. just love -- ironically "love is the law" is a basic tennant from someone you probably consider satanic)
so you can't eat pig's flesh or plant crop in the corners of your field, but it's ok for your wife to have a lesbian affair (nothing in Leviticus about that one!), and it's ok for you to have premarital sex, but a woman deserves death... (much like the "soddomite")
tell me again, which one of these rules matters?
You'd better not use VRML, vi, linux, or a computer for that matter!
I wonder who else was "into" homosexuality, paganism, drugs, and general irreverence.
Such a bad rap these people had...
and they're such horrable people...
--Proud to be a Pagan Programmer!--
wow, what a flamefest...
cduffy is right... and the only reason that widget sets CAN'T and AREN'T used it that THERE HAVE BEEN NO GOOD FRAMEBUFFER WIDGET SETS UNTIL NOW!!!
a framebuffer widget set __**IS**__ portable that's what my whole argument was!