The problem with programming the PS3 is that once the complexity of its parallel processors is handled, the CPU is so fast that it consumes and produces data much faster than the IO available. The Cell is a basically 204GFLOPS/32bit machine (plus the Power RISC, basically a Mac G5), with an internal 1.6Tbps bus. But even its builtin gigabit ethernet is puny compared to that kind of dataflow. It's not clear whether the USB slots are 1, 2 or 4 buses at 480Mbps each, but even 2Gbps more isn't so much. Maybe another gig-e can plug into its CompactFlash slot, bringing the total up to 4Gbps, but that's still only 0.25% the chip bus. In desperation, perhaps the SATA bus could also be used for another 1.3Gbps. Adding the HDMI output with some fancy codecing (especially on the receiving host) gives 10.2Gbps out, so the other 5.3Gbps can be used for input, but that's still only 5.3Gbps throughput, probably a lot less at under 100% efficiency per channel. The Cell can spin its wheels with 2000 instructions on the data it's got before it gets more. There are lots of "multimedia mixing" and transformation applications that could run multiple cycles in that 2K instructions, which instead need more machines for more IO.
The PS3 doesn't seem to have the PCI-Express bus that would solve all these problems. For some reason Sony left out its old pet, FireWire, which could have added buses at 800Mbps each. There doesn't seem to be any expansion whatsoever, except changing the HD on the single SATA connector. To use what it's got, a huge amount of complex, heterogeneous IO management is necessary to use its power.
It's strange to think that a $600 machine with around 5Gbps throughput and 7Tbps processing is a "toy", but the cropped IO makes the PS3 look that way, relative to its full power. Maybe a HW mod, even at $500 or possibly up to $2000, that adds PCIe for a half-dozen 2x10Gig-E cards, or even InfiniBand, will make this crazy little toy into more than just a development platform for games or prototypes for really expensive Cell machines. Who's got the way out?
The point that MS "evolving" AJAX inside an open standards body at least offers some opportunities to keep AJAX "equal opportunity" for everyone, not just MS, is a good one.
And discussing the need for that alternative to MS just hijacking the tech on its own is part of the way to ensure that the open groups are watching for MS tricks and manipulation.
Together, the two competing interests can engage in the open group to help keep open the tech it produces.
Here's an original statement: you're a worthless fool.
We're arguing about whether Microsoft damages open standards while claiming their cloak of respectability, as they have with XML, and as they will do with the class of XML apps called AJAX, the subject of the story. There might be an argument as to the openness of XML, which would be lost as the AC argued so far in this thread. There might be an argument whether XML is better than CSV by addition of runtime machine-readable DTDs, but it's not only irrelevant, you blew your chance to indulge by talking like an obnoxious moron - while being wrong, to boot.
If you can't even keep the debate on the merits of Microsoft's abuse of technologies to preserve proprietary advantage masked in open standards, there's no use offering you the privilege of discussing it with me.
I'm not so sure that the reasons AT&T/Cingular wants to block them are cut and dried. But their power to block them seems cut and dried to AT&T, at their sole discretion. If they're blocking abuse, they have regulatory ways to stop it. But they're just blocking it. Even if today's reasons are good ones, tomorrow's might not be, at AT&T's discretion. And with a solid precedent, AT&T will have more safety in abusing that power.
You're just spinning gibberis, Anonymous MS fanboy Coward. The whole point of XML is to open data format dialects, getting out of the proprietary ghetto. Just like one fundamental point of HTTP and HTML were cross-platform data formats. When MS joined the working groups for those, of which I was a member, MS proceeded to damage them so the proprietary extensions could force the Web to be "more Microsoft". It's obvious that MS will do the same again to XML.
Your hairsplitting tells us nothing about how MS will fail to do exactly that. But it does reveal how it will succeed: enlisting the astroturf of Anonymous Cowards like you.
Network Neutrality: it's not just for the Internet. It's just one way we need to protect ourselves from the AT&T monopoly (or its duopoly with Verizon) that America worked so long and hard to obtain 20 years ago. Which AT&T has worked so long and hard since then to endrun, nearly back to its original market control, in a much larger market. A market that expanded only because of the divestiture.
Microsoft has turned the inherently open XML tech that is the "X" in XML into a battleground of propretary XML dialects to protect their MS Office formats. Just the latest in MS monkeywrenches in open format technologies like HTTP, HTML that force everyone to support the format that's best for MS. MS will surely turn AJAX into yet another "success" story.
Even if we had never sent expeditions to the Moon, we'd know that its surface isn't smooth.
Your mind boggles so easily because you are both a rock-bottom fool, and from all the rattling from your loud mouth. While it's boggling you ignore that you started flaming me, after I posted something sensible that you disagreed with like an obnoxious jerk.
If the Alaskan Permanent Fund is spending so little on IT and oversight to make sure it's better than this, you can be sure there's lots of other problems favoring the oil companies. Or is there still some doubt about how they work, on which to base some "benefit of the doubt"?
Creative puts a cheap, powerful DSP in every computer they serve. They should sell DSP coprocessors to accelerate "business" functions, which could extend the life of existing PCs. They would have even more success on the Linux platform that's rising as they sink, because anyone can patch existing apps to use the extra processing power. Creative should be leading the world in GPAPU (General Purpose Audio Processing), especially as they need the business.
Of course, they don't even release driver source for Linux coders/users to fully exploit the soundcards we already paid for, so I doubt they'll wake up.
I bet it cost a lot less than $200K to bribe the government officials (probably with a few bottles of wine) not to check whether they were protecting their $38B investment with more than $45K worth of IT staff.
If it were an even distribution, then the moon wouldn't have any craters in its dust. And of course the different locations record different impacts, therefore different trajectories. Creating a 3D record about as "obscuured" as, say, the muddy bottom of Earth's oceans. Limited value to the ignorant, especially the conceited ignorant, who shouldn't be shouting about Lunar science policy just because they aren't good enough at actual science to have a real opinion.
Statistics? Why don't you look into basic science, before you offer naive "helpful advice" that I already preempted decades ago. Try finding out about "noise reduction" before you shoot your mouth off again.
I can't wait to watch this low-ox tech make the inevitable leap from professional datacenters to homes. Not mine: the neighbors with the yappy little dog. Makes the perfect Christmas gift!
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Thanks - that's exactly what I'm looking for. Another, related problem is getting over 1TB of 160GB EIDE drives into the cheapest enclosure, whether connected to a host by EIDE, USB or ethernet. It needs a chassis, power supply, and EIDE (and maybe adapter to USB or ethernet) connector.
And as long as you mention FireWire, do you happen to know any adapter (under $100) that plugs a FireWire drive into a USB port? The PS3 has no FireWire, but I have a FireWire drive I want to use.
Even sillier than the strawman you felt compelled to mention about Lunar ecology is the part where you totally ignored what I posted in that simple comment:
We certainly should be harvesting as much of the local resources for exploration and human colonization.
Why don't you try telling your story about "loaded terms" to someone whose post you actually read. So I can talk to someone else, someone reasonable about the unique records that should just be copied into data thoroughly before destroying it.
The problem is that our system is not designed for claimants to be self-policing. Except that they are supposed to do an exhaustive search before filing, in their own self-interest in case the examiner finds prior art and rejects.
When the lawyer does the search, that's their responsibility. And when responsible for working against the system, they should be removed from that responsibility, and any privileges that go with it.
Inventors should not be required to have any expertise in the legal process. That could limit the pool of inventors, while the only justification of the entire patent system is to promote progress in science and the useful arts. If "progress" means "more lawyering", then I guess I understand that the patent system is a total success.
The lunar surface dust holds the records of millions, billions of years of impacts and other events at the lunar surface. Which in turn are records of object trajectories through the solar system, which leave fingerprints of their momentum in the 3D surface.
We certainly should be harvesting as much of the local resources for exploration and human colonization. But we should do as much as we can with current science and technology (which is quite a lot) to read those records and preserve their info before destroying them.
The Moon is a treasure among resources available to humans. Primarily for science, especially before we destroy the evidence. The mining and exploitation can wait a bit longer. That way, we can have both.
So what would you do to the programmer who should have been a better lawyer than the lawyer was a programmer? Take away their programmer's license? Disincorporate their consulting firm?
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SATA is a serial connection. But is there some way to put multiple SATA drives on a single SATA connection? For example, the Playstation 3 has only a single SATA connector on its motherboard, though the SATA driver chip supports 2 drives. Can a SATA RAID driver card attach two SATA drives to the single SATA connector? Or is there a SW solution?
Why should the programmer know anything about patents?
It's the lawyer's job to do the patent search - they certainly charged LSI Logic for that service. If they couldn't understand the simple concept of the linked list enough to recognize it or search for it, then they're the wrong lawyer. If a lawyer didn't know that a knife is a lethal weapon, or other "technical" details of the crime, then they have no business in a knifing trial. Patent lawyers need to at least speak the language of the inventions they're patenting. If they don't, but aren't ethical enough to avoid those cases, then they should face reprisals.
As a group, these incompetent, unethical lawyers are the most solvable problem in our system. Let's solve it.
LSI Logic's patent lawyer should be barred from practice for a month, required to take a patent law refresher class on research, and do another month pro-bono (preferably for a "public domain IP" org). His law firm should pay a fine to a public domain IP org equal to triple the fees they received.
And if either of them have done this before, they should be barred from patent practice permanently. If they practice after the bar, they should be slammed with all the "practicing law without a license" remedies, starting with losing their licenses and corporate entities.
Those lawyers are sworn gatekeepers to keep out frivolous and invalid legal cases. They're up against underpaid, undereducated, nonmotivated PTO dupes, then slightly (legally) more clueful initial courts, only after years facing expertise in an appeal. By which time real inventors, supposedly protected from better funded competitors by the Constitutionally mandated IP protection system, are usually too broke to keep slogging down the road towards appeals, with investors breathing down their necks and jumping ship. The lawyers who are part of the problem, not the solution, should be fired. Taxpayers are paying to subsidize the entire rotten IP registration and court system: we should use it to eliminate its inside attackers.
So anyone who burns our own CDs/DVDs is now going to get hassled by rabid barking dogs and "terrorism" cops as we travel. Geeks are second class citizens, until we prove we own the data on the discs we burn.
Not only is this abuse of the modern press freedom that burning our own media means. This is yet another example of how the infrastructure rationalized by terrorism gets extended well beyond terrorism defense into serving a corporate agenda having nothing to do with national security. And recycling the public's acceptance of tyranny in the name of security during an endless "emergency" to just protect corporate investments, especially the corporate mass media's.
How long has it been since Northern Ireland has needed extensive bomb-sniffing security? Maybe that's why their K9 corps is looking for a "new mission", instead of just embracing peace.
Scientists recently discovered a large deposit of water deep in the Earth's molten rock, many (hundreds) of miles under the crust layer. Perhaps more Mars water is locked up there. If it took us that long to find it on Earth, how will we find it on Mars? And how will we find whether that extra water was ever on the surface?
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The problem with programming the PS3 is that once the complexity of its parallel processors is handled, the CPU is so fast that it consumes and produces data much faster than the IO available. The Cell is a basically 204GFLOPS/32bit machine (plus the Power RISC, basically a Mac G5), with an internal 1.6Tbps bus. But even its builtin gigabit ethernet is puny compared to that kind of dataflow. It's not clear whether the USB slots are 1, 2 or 4 buses at 480Mbps each, but even 2Gbps more isn't so much. Maybe another gig-e can plug into its CompactFlash slot, bringing the total up to 4Gbps, but that's still only 0.25% the chip bus. In desperation, perhaps the SATA bus could also be used for another 1.3Gbps. Adding the HDMI output with some fancy codecing (especially on the receiving host) gives 10.2Gbps out, so the other 5.3Gbps can be used for input, but that's still only 5.3Gbps throughput, probably a lot less at under 100% efficiency per channel. The Cell can spin its wheels with 2000 instructions on the data it's got before it gets more. There are lots of "multimedia mixing" and transformation applications that could run multiple cycles in that 2K instructions, which instead need more machines for more IO.
The PS3 doesn't seem to have the PCI-Express bus that would solve all these problems. For some reason Sony left out its old pet, FireWire, which could have added buses at 800Mbps each. There doesn't seem to be any expansion whatsoever, except changing the HD on the single SATA connector. To use what it's got, a huge amount of complex, heterogeneous IO management is necessary to use its power.
It's strange to think that a $600 machine with around 5Gbps throughput and 7Tbps processing is a "toy", but the cropped IO makes the PS3 look that way, relative to its full power. Maybe a HW mod, even at $500 or possibly up to $2000, that adds PCIe for a half-dozen 2x10Gig-E cards, or even InfiniBand, will make this crazy little toy into more than just a development platform for games or prototypes for really expensive Cell machines. Who's got the way out?
The point that MS "evolving" AJAX inside an open standards body at least offers some opportunities to keep AJAX "equal opportunity" for everyone, not just MS, is a good one.
And discussing the need for that alternative to MS just hijacking the tech on its own is part of the way to ensure that the open groups are watching for MS tricks and manipulation.
Together, the two competing interests can engage in the open group to help keep open the tech it produces.
Here's an original statement: you're a worthless fool.
We're arguing about whether Microsoft damages open standards while claiming their cloak of respectability, as they have with XML, and as they will do with the class of XML apps called AJAX, the subject of the story. There might be an argument as to the openness of XML, which would be lost as the AC argued so far in this thread. There might be an argument whether XML is better than CSV by addition of runtime machine-readable DTDs, but it's not only irrelevant, you blew your chance to indulge by talking like an obnoxious moron - while being wrong, to boot.
If you can't even keep the debate on the merits of Microsoft's abuse of technologies to preserve proprietary advantage masked in open standards, there's no use offering you the privilege of discussing it with me.
Goodbye.
I'm not so sure that the reasons AT&T/Cingular wants to block them are cut and dried. But their power to block them seems cut and dried to AT&T, at their sole discretion. If they're blocking abuse, they have regulatory ways to stop it. But they're just blocking it. Even if today's reasons are good ones, tomorrow's might not be, at AT&T's discretion. And with a solid precedent, AT&T will have more safety in abusing that power.
The giant ISPs like AT&T are trying to carve out new "walled gardens" like AOL.
You're just spinning gibberis, Anonymous MS fanboy Coward. The whole point of XML is to open data format dialects, getting out of the proprietary ghetto. Just like one fundamental point of HTTP and HTML were cross-platform data formats. When MS joined the working groups for those, of which I was a member, MS proceeded to damage them so the proprietary extensions could force the Web to be "more Microsoft". It's obvious that MS will do the same again to XML.
Your hairsplitting tells us nothing about how MS will fail to do exactly that. But it does reveal how it will succeed: enlisting the astroturf of Anonymous Cowards like you.
Meanwhile, AT&T/Cingular is blocking its cellular customers from calling into free conferencing services that use VoIP for competing with AT&T/Cingular.
Network Neutrality: it's not just for the Internet. It's just one way we need to protect ourselves from the AT&T monopoly (or its duopoly with Verizon) that America worked so long and hard to obtain 20 years ago. Which AT&T has worked so long and hard since then to endrun, nearly back to its original market control, in a much larger market. A market that expanded only because of the divestiture.
Microsoft has turned the inherently open XML tech that is the "X" in XML into a battleground of propretary XML dialects to protect their MS Office formats. Just the latest in MS monkeywrenches in open format technologies like HTTP, HTML that force everyone to support the format that's best for MS. MS will surely turn AJAX into yet another "success" story.
Even if we had never sent expeditions to the Moon, we'd know that its surface isn't smooth.
Your mind boggles so easily because you are both a rock-bottom fool, and from all the rattling from your loud mouth. While it's boggling you ignore that you started flaming me, after I posted something sensible that you disagreed with like an obnoxious jerk.
Goodbye, dummy.
If the Alaskan Permanent Fund is spending so little on IT and oversight to make sure it's better than this, you can be sure there's lots of other problems favoring the oil companies. Or is there still some doubt about how they work, on which to base some "benefit of the doubt"?
Creative puts a cheap, powerful DSP in every computer they serve. They should sell DSP coprocessors to accelerate "business" functions, which could extend the life of existing PCs. They would have even more success on the Linux platform that's rising as they sink, because anyone can patch existing apps to use the extra processing power. Creative should be leading the world in GPAPU (General Purpose Audio Processing), especially as they need the business.
Of course, they don't even release driver source for Linux coders/users to fully exploit the soundcards we already paid for, so I doubt they'll wake up.
I bet it cost a lot less than $200K to bribe the government officials (probably with a few bottles of wine) not to check whether they were protecting their $38B investment with more than $45K worth of IT staff.
In America, a 25MPG car can run about 250Km on about 6 gallons of gasoline for $15. How much does gasoline cost in India?
If it were an even distribution, then the moon wouldn't have any craters in its dust. And of course the different locations record different impacts, therefore different trajectories. Creating a 3D record about as "obscuured" as, say, the muddy bottom of Earth's oceans. Limited value to the ignorant, especially the conceited ignorant, who shouldn't be shouting about Lunar science policy just because they aren't good enough at actual science to have a real opinion.
Statistics? Why don't you look into basic science, before you offer naive "helpful advice" that I already preempted decades ago. Try finding out about "noise reduction" before you shoot your mouth off again.
I can't wait to watch this low-ox tech make the inevitable leap from professional datacenters to homes. Not mine: the neighbors with the yappy little dog. Makes the perfect Christmas gift!
Thanks - that's exactly what I'm looking for. Another, related problem is getting over 1TB of 160GB EIDE drives into the cheapest enclosure, whether connected to a host by EIDE, USB or ethernet. It needs a chassis, power supply, and EIDE (and maybe adapter to USB or ethernet) connector.
And as long as you mention FireWire, do you happen to know any adapter (under $100) that plugs a FireWire drive into a USB port? The PS3 has no FireWire, but I have a FireWire drive I want to use.
Why don't you try telling your story about "loaded terms" to someone whose post you actually read. So I can talk to someone else, someone reasonable about the unique records that should just be copied into data thoroughly before destroying it.
The problem is that our system is not designed for claimants to be self-policing. Except that they are supposed to do an exhaustive search before filing, in their own self-interest in case the examiner finds prior art and rejects.
When the lawyer does the search, that's their responsibility. And when responsible for working against the system, they should be removed from that responsibility, and any privileges that go with it.
Inventors should not be required to have any expertise in the legal process. That could limit the pool of inventors, while the only justification of the entire patent system is to promote progress in science and the useful arts. If "progress" means "more lawyering", then I guess I understand that the patent system is a total success.
The lunar surface dust holds the records of millions, billions of years of impacts and other events at the lunar surface. Which in turn are records of object trajectories through the solar system, which leave fingerprints of their momentum in the 3D surface.
We certainly should be harvesting as much of the local resources for exploration and human colonization. But we should do as much as we can with current science and technology (which is quite a lot) to read those records and preserve their info before destroying them.
The Moon is a treasure among resources available to humans. Primarily for science, especially before we destroy the evidence. The mining and exploitation can wait a bit longer. That way, we can have both.
So what would you do to the programmer who should have been a better lawyer than the lawyer was a programmer? Take away their programmer's license? Disincorporate their consulting firm?
SATA is a serial connection. But is there some way to put multiple SATA drives on a single SATA connection? For example, the Playstation 3 has only a single SATA connector on its motherboard, though the SATA driver chip supports 2 drives. Can a SATA RAID driver card attach two SATA drives to the single SATA connector? Or is there a SW solution?
Why should the programmer know anything about patents?
It's the lawyer's job to do the patent search - they certainly charged LSI Logic for that service. If they couldn't understand the simple concept of the linked list enough to recognize it or search for it, then they're the wrong lawyer. If a lawyer didn't know that a knife is a lethal weapon, or other "technical" details of the crime, then they have no business in a knifing trial. Patent lawyers need to at least speak the language of the inventions they're patenting. If they don't, but aren't ethical enough to avoid those cases, then they should face reprisals.
As a group, these incompetent, unethical lawyers are the most solvable problem in our system. Let's solve it.
LSI Logic's patent lawyer should be barred from practice for a month, required to take a patent law refresher class on research, and do another month pro-bono (preferably for a "public domain IP" org). His law firm should pay a fine to a public domain IP org equal to triple the fees they received.
And if either of them have done this before, they should be barred from patent practice permanently. If they practice after the bar, they should be slammed with all the "practicing law without a license" remedies, starting with losing their licenses and corporate entities.
Those lawyers are sworn gatekeepers to keep out frivolous and invalid legal cases. They're up against underpaid, undereducated, nonmotivated PTO dupes, then slightly (legally) more clueful initial courts, only after years facing expertise in an appeal. By which time real inventors, supposedly protected from better funded competitors by the Constitutionally mandated IP protection system, are usually too broke to keep slogging down the road towards appeals, with investors breathing down their necks and jumping ship. The lawyers who are part of the problem, not the solution, should be fired. Taxpayers are paying to subsidize the entire rotten IP registration and court system: we should use it to eliminate its inside attackers.
So anyone who burns our own CDs/DVDs is now going to get hassled by rabid barking dogs and "terrorism" cops as we travel. Geeks are second class citizens, until we prove we own the data on the discs we burn.
Not only is this abuse of the modern press freedom that burning our own media means. This is yet another example of how the infrastructure rationalized by terrorism gets extended well beyond terrorism defense into serving a corporate agenda having nothing to do with national security. And recycling the public's acceptance of tyranny in the name of security during an endless "emergency" to just protect corporate investments, especially the corporate mass media's.
How long has it been since Northern Ireland has needed extensive bomb-sniffing security? Maybe that's why their K9 corps is looking for a "new mission", instead of just embracing peace.
Nothing more permanent than a temporary solution.
Scientists recently discovered a large deposit of water deep in the Earth's molten rock, many (hundreds) of miles under the crust layer. Perhaps more Mars water is locked up there. If it took us that long to find it on Earth, how will we find it on Mars? And how will we find whether that extra water was ever on the surface?