While I don't think Bush retains any claim to "benefit of the doubt", I do want to see our appeals system preserved. Especially in such as serious matter as circumvention of the Constitutional impeachment process, if that in fact is Constitutional. From the analysis I've seen, I expect Diggs-Taylor's verdict to be upheld on appeal, unless dismissed by an Alito-type judge.
Another reason the Republican Congress is quickly attempting to change the laws is that November 7 , 2006 (8 weeks from today) more than likely marks the end of at least the Republican House, if not the entire Republican Congress.
I would like to see these "post facto amnesty laws" reviewed by the Supreme Court. Best sometime in 2010, after several of the Reagan/Bush justices are gone, or at least recused for conflicted interests.
Easy for you to say (assuming your nervous system is intact). Every para/quadraplegic ("paralyzed") person I know has told me they much prefer getting senation back than motion. We already have all kinds of tech for motion that need not be bionic - down to the crutch. But sensation is even more important to feeling human. And in various scenarios, we're all blind/deaf/numb.
This bionic arm is is an excellent advance, and worthy of every congratulation. But when talking about "the next step", the experts say it's sensation.
There's no project, but the source is open at the URL you posted. Some "HOWTOs" by the couple of dozen specialists could therefore revolutionize the field. Even if the rest of the project were just supporting the "decoders".
If it were my field, I'd be getting funding from pharmacos for decoding, if I could keep the products open / public domain / CC.
Just because the "solid link" between Nixon and Bush Jr had a somewhat different agenda doesn't stop us from calling him Bush Sr. "Nixon II" is a perfectly appropriate title for the guy violating FISA from the same chair as the inspiration for FISA.
I hope some among the many people in the public who can now view the images of the originals can translate and interpret them. That's open-source archeology. Which sounds like fun.
You get sucked into having your ass handed to you when you troll someone who knows better. Every point I made I've cited. And every gibber you've spluttered has been unsubstantiated.
So congratulations for reinforcing the stereotype of the vapid, shallow, whining, clueless California dude. Too bad so many of you are buying advance tickets to the killer robot from the future's sequel administration.
Actually, the Alexandria Library loss is largely myth. Sure, the library was burned. But ancient libraries, much like today's, did not house only unique copies. The ancient tradition of transcription was not solely to preserve "books" (usually scrolls and decks of leaves) serially in time, but also in parallel in space. There were many ancient libraries holding many of the same books.
Moreover, many of the Alexandria books weren't burned. They were "put into general circulation", both into the hands of centuries of attackers like the Arabs from whom European Crusaders (and their campfollower merchats) brought them to the rest of Europe for the first time, and throughout the area many times when security was breached. And of course there are the really ancient works written in stone monuments, artifacts and jewelry.
Ancient Egypt's working civilization lasted for thousands of years, inspiring its culture of actual immortality. Essential to it was a system of info transfer that would survive all kinds of unexpected disasters. If one burning library could wipe it out, we'd never have heard of it.
More precise headline: "Senate Committee Republicans Vote to Authorize Warrantless Wiretapping".
More accurate headline: "Senate Committee Republicans Vote Bush as Emperor Nixon II"
The FISA law that Bush broke, that his Republican Congress is now scrambling to drop from the laws, was written to outlaw the warrantless wiretapping that Nixon's CIA/NSA abused. Now that Bush is obviously incompetent/malevolent/dangerous, the Republican Party is handing him even more power than Nixon had.
I note that Bush's father was the chair of the Republican Party during Watergate, then the 1st ambassador to China, then head of the CIA while the Church Committee was detailing Nixon's CIA's abuses. After Bush Sr left the CIA, Congress passed the FISA to stop it from spying on Americans without due process. Now Bush Jr has admitted doing exactly that for the last 5 years.
Now will their Egyptian counterpart step up and one up them, offering free online access to 3000 years of archived research? Where's the URL for "What the stars look like 180 days before the Nile overflows its banks"?
Both Syria and Iran have Israel to attack so they can distract their own people from the problems inside their domestic tyrannies. And though Mideast politics is crazy like that, the fact is that Hezbollah is supported by both Syria and Iran. And not indirectly. The current Hezbollah missile war against Israel is armed directly by Iran, and includes Iranian military helping them fire the missiles. The Lebanon that Syria brutally annexed is even more diverse, but that hasn't stopped the violence. Syria has lots of Shi'ites, Iran's majority, but that just makes some of their cooperation easier sometimes.
These countries are ruled for profit and power. In Iran the way to do it was with theocracy. In Syria, a merely secular dynasty works.
Zorastrians mostly live in India and North America, though started in an ancient Persia that included what is now sometimes called Kurdistan. Zoroaster (Zarathustra) was probably a mountain Kurd. I find these details interesting, because a Canadian cabbie once told me he was a Zoroastrian Kurd, and that converting to Islam rather than accept genocide was "the worst thing we ever did". The legacy of Mideastern religious politics will probably upset humanity forever.
Thank you for reinforcing the vapid California stereotype.
All Schwarznazi's ballot initiatives go down in flames, except the one putting the state into a lot more debt. Not only do you ignore how all his other policies were rejected. You also ignore how he lied about fixing the budget, got elected by lying about how giant the debt is, then "fixed" it by creating a lot more debt. And your fellow Californians sucked it right down.
Next up, you pretend Californians don't vote for Schwarznazi because he's a Hollywood star. You justify this by saying that Davis wasn't Hollywood - but he got thrown out, you clown. Somehow voting for nonstars other times means you skindeepers didn't vote for actors in Reagan and Schwarznazi. You cite two other potential candidates whose resume consists of... being Hollywood stars, though not big enough to be as popular as Schwarznazi. Ringing the "duh" bell as hard as you can.
Schwarznazi campaigned for Bush, even outside California, which he said he wouldn't do, because Bush was so unpopular in California, though popular elsewhere. You're a gang of liars, you California Schwarznazi boosters. Like the lie you're trying that I said Bush is unpopular because of his deficits. Which I didn't say - I just said he's as unpopular as his deficits are high. Worth noting because not only are Schwarznazi's deficits high, including that new debt you're crowing about, but Bush's debt is is somewhere between 45 and 65 $TRILLION, so high the country can't pay it back. Which also figures into his unpopularity, along with Iraq, among people who can count that high. You can't - 45 is clearly out of your reach. But about a quarter of voters surveyed last month said the economy was more important than even Iraq. Your boys are blowing both, and worshippers like you don't even care.
Sure, you're not a Republican. Noone's a Republican anymore, right? You're an "independent", of course. So you vote for Republicans, and pretend you don't. And if you believe that Hollywood is "liberal", you're wearing a mouse suit in Disneyland.
I might have thought up the nickname "Schwarznazi", but I'm not unique. He's a nazi, just like he said, no matter what other arguments about Schwarznazi you want to lose with me. All my points are meaningful, backed by facts. I don't need some Lalaland liar like you to call me clever. Or spew lies while calling me on the facts.
Now turn your glowing eyeballs back to your TV. I'm sure there's something good on, like a California Republican pretending they're got the state's trains running on time, if only those damn secular Hollywood liberals would just lie down on the tracks, or at least get into the cattlecars.
Someone telling the simple truth about the Republican corporate government? Just mod them down. It's still true, but you can pretend no one reminded you.
You're right about the Saudis and Pakistan. But the Taliban were partners with Osama's Qaeda in Afghanistan, as makes sense since the Taliban were produced by Pakistan to take over Afghanistan from the Soviets, in collaboration with the US. Once that was done, the Taliban turned against the US, much like another CIA creation, Castro, once did. Osama threatened the Enron pipeline through Afghanistan, the Saudis got the Taliban to agree to hand Osama over to the US in exchange for huge bribes, rather than huge bombs. Then Osama convinced the Taliban to stick with him, probably offering more money and the likelihood of US bombs anyway.
The Taliban never rejected Osama. Probably they "monitored" him, but not as an enemy, but rather an important, if dangerous, ally.
So I don't know where you're getting any Taliban against Osama. The whole situation is complex, though not that complex. It is more complex related to the Saudis, especially. But if you consider all these governments colluding in the oil and military business against the American people to get our money and power, using all kinds of Mideastern and Central Asian people as pawns, then it all becomes much more simple and clear.
Ofsetting the carbon pollution during the operating phase of a product's lifecycle is a great start. Especially because it will get us talking about the real cost of the rest of the cycle, Like the carbon pollution from the energy consumed and waste produced by manufacturing and delivering the product. And then maybe even some in "discarding" the product.
OK, Californian, explain how all of Schwarznazi's ballot initiatives went down in defeat last year. His policies. Then pretend that Californians don't vote for Schwarznazi because he's a Hollywood star, like Governor Reagan.
For bonus points, ignore how Schwarznazi ran away from Bush like every other Republican running in a competitive election since Bush's disapproval ratings have risen to match his deficits.
You Republicans have nothing but spin and fantasyland. Hollywood is Republican utopia.
Bait & switch, typical Republican tactic. First, you find me an election with demonstrated "irregularities" (or worse) won by a Democrat, as I asked. Regardless of who, if anyone (other than bad luck/management) rigged it.
You can't. So you try to change the question. Typical Republican scam. Worn out. Won't work anymore. Back into your cave.
Well that's the point entirely. MS can "pledge" what they want, and then drop that pledge when it suits them, like when they want to infringe one of your patents. Or just drop the pledge when they want, because it's not legally binding.
Other than cheating and manipulation, putting the patents in the public domain acheives exactly what these pledges promise. Without the extra management required by holding the patents (which require oversight and even periodic fees). So it's obvious that MS is retaining them to cheat, or at least reserve that option.
This thread has been fun. Especially the part where we went from typically Slashdot arguing (mostly my fault), to agreeing. Rather than just drop it, email style, I bid you farewell:).
On Slashdot, it's also important to be careful not to help people think so hard they can't feel. A lot of the inhumane politics discussed here goes hard down that road.
No, having the patents of course protects MS claims to only yhe specific aspects of the product covered by those patents.
The public domain patent can be invoked by MS, or anyone else, as prior art that protects use of that invention from claims by anyone else.
They are exactly equal. Simply because a public domain patent it "owned" by everyone equally, and useable by everyone equally.
If anything, the public domain is better protection, because PD encourages more parties than a single holder to increment the invention without restraint, and even just to produce the original invention themselves. "Everyone's doing it" is a strong protection against a new "temporary artificial monopoly" claim by a new patenter, when the patent is already documented being put into the public domain, from which it can never be recalled.
I believe the terror cycle works by moving people through these phases:
Ignorance -> Fear -> Hate -> Anger -> Violence -> Suffering -> Alienation -> Ignorance
The easiest point to break the cycle is adding knowledge to ignorance to dispel the fear. Best done unexpectedly quickly, producing showers of laughter in a rising cycle of creation. After that point the stakes are too high, the communication too unidirectional. You have to wait until the cycle comes around again, after it's worked its damage, and the stakes rise a cycle higher.
"I admired Hitler, for instance, because he came from being a little man with almost no formal education, up to power. I admire him for being such a good public speaker and for what he did with it." - Arnold Schwarznazi
What's offensive, Schwarznazi telling people he admires Hitler, or me telling you he admires Hitler? If you're offended by the truth, it's you who needs to change.
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While I don't think Bush retains any claim to "benefit of the doubt", I do want to see our appeals system preserved. Especially in such as serious matter as circumvention of the Constitutional impeachment process, if that in fact is Constitutional. From the analysis I've seen, I expect Diggs-Taylor's verdict to be upheld on appeal, unless dismissed by an Alito-type judge.
Another reason the Republican Congress is quickly attempting to change the laws is that November 7 , 2006 (8 weeks from today) more than likely marks the end of at least the Republican House, if not the entire Republican Congress.
I would like to see these "post facto amnesty laws" reviewed by the Supreme Court. Best sometime in 2010, after several of the Reagan/Bush justices are gone, or at least recused for conflicted interests.
Easy for you to say (assuming your nervous system is intact). Every para/quadraplegic ("paralyzed") person I know has told me they much prefer getting senation back than motion. We already have all kinds of tech for motion that need not be bionic - down to the crutch. But sensation is even more important to feeling human. And in various scenarios, we're all blind/deaf/numb.
This bionic arm is is an excellent advance, and worthy of every congratulation. But when talking about "the next step", the experts say it's sensation.
Now we just need a bionic eye and leg, too - all for just $6M.
There's no project, but the source is open at the URL you posted. Some "HOWTOs" by the couple of dozen specialists could therefore revolutionize the field. Even if the rest of the project were just supporting the "decoders".
If it were my field, I'd be getting funding from pharmacos for decoding, if I could keep the products open / public domain / CC.
Just because the "solid link" between Nixon and Bush Jr had a somewhat different agenda doesn't stop us from calling him Bush Sr. "Nixon II" is a perfectly appropriate title for the guy violating FISA from the same chair as the inspiration for FISA.
I hope some among the many people in the public who can now view the images of the originals can translate and interpret them. That's open-source archeology. Which sounds like fun.
You get sucked into having your ass handed to you when you troll someone who knows better. Every point I made I've cited. And every gibber you've spluttered has been unsubstantiated.
So congratulations for reinforcing the stereotype of the vapid, shallow, whining, clueless California dude. Too bad so many of you are buying advance tickets to the killer robot from the future's sequel administration.
Actually, the Alexandria Library loss is largely myth. Sure, the library was burned. But ancient libraries, much like today's, did not house only unique copies. The ancient tradition of transcription was not solely to preserve "books" (usually scrolls and decks of leaves) serially in time, but also in parallel in space. There were many ancient libraries holding many of the same books.
Moreover, many of the Alexandria books weren't burned. They were "put into general circulation", both into the hands of centuries of attackers like the Arabs from whom European Crusaders (and their campfollower merchats) brought them to the rest of Europe for the first time, and throughout the area many times when security was breached. And of course there are the really ancient works written in stone monuments, artifacts and jewelry.
Ancient Egypt's working civilization lasted for thousands of years, inspiring its culture of actual immortality. Essential to it was a system of info transfer that would survive all kinds of unexpected disasters. If one burning library could wipe it out, we'd never have heard of it.
More precise headline: "Senate Committee Republicans Vote to Authorize Warrantless Wiretapping".
More accurate headline: "Senate Committee Republicans Vote Bush as Emperor Nixon II"
The FISA law that Bush broke, that his Republican Congress is now scrambling to drop from the laws, was written to outlaw the warrantless wiretapping that Nixon's CIA/NSA abused. Now that Bush is obviously incompetent/malevolent/dangerous, the Republican Party is handing him even more power than Nixon had.
I note that Bush's father was the chair of the Republican Party during Watergate, then the 1st ambassador to China, then head of the CIA while the Church Committee was detailing Nixon's CIA's abuses. After Bush Sr left the CIA, Congress passed the FISA to stop it from spying on Americans without due process. Now Bush Jr has admitted doing exactly that for the last 5 years.
Now will their Egyptian counterpart step up and one up them, offering free online access to 3000 years of archived research? Where's the URL for "What the stars look like 180 days before the Nile overflows its banks"?
Both Syria and Iran have Israel to attack so they can distract their own people from the problems inside their domestic tyrannies. And though Mideast politics is crazy like that, the fact is that Hezbollah is supported by both Syria and Iran. And not indirectly. The current Hezbollah missile war against Israel is armed directly by Iran, and includes Iranian military helping them fire the missiles. The Lebanon that Syria brutally annexed is even more diverse, but that hasn't stopped the violence. Syria has lots of Shi'ites, Iran's majority, but that just makes some of their cooperation easier sometimes.
These countries are ruled for profit and power. In Iran the way to do it was with theocracy. In Syria, a merely secular dynasty works.
Zorastrians mostly live in India and North America, though started in an ancient Persia that included what is now sometimes called Kurdistan. Zoroaster (Zarathustra) was probably a mountain Kurd. I find these details interesting, because a Canadian cabbie once told me he was a Zoroastrian Kurd, and that converting to Islam rather than accept genocide was "the worst thing we ever did". The legacy of Mideastern religious politics will probably upset humanity forever.
You are the kook.
Thank you for reinforcing the vapid California stereotype.
All Schwarznazi's ballot initiatives go down in flames, except the one putting the state into a lot more debt. Not only do you ignore how all his other policies were rejected. You also ignore how he lied about fixing the budget, got elected by lying about how giant the debt is, then "fixed" it by creating a lot more debt. And your fellow Californians sucked it right down.
Next up, you pretend Californians don't vote for Schwarznazi because he's a Hollywood star. You justify this by saying that Davis wasn't Hollywood - but he got thrown out, you clown. Somehow voting for nonstars other times means you skindeepers didn't vote for actors in Reagan and Schwarznazi. You cite two other potential candidates whose resume consists of... being Hollywood stars, though not big enough to be as popular as Schwarznazi. Ringing the "duh" bell as hard as you can.
Schwarznazi campaigned for Bush, even outside California, which he said he wouldn't do, because Bush was so unpopular in California, though popular elsewhere. You're a gang of liars, you California Schwarznazi boosters. Like the lie you're trying that I said Bush is unpopular because of his deficits. Which I didn't say - I just said he's as unpopular as his deficits are high. Worth noting because not only are Schwarznazi's deficits high, including that new debt you're crowing about, but Bush's debt is is somewhere between 45 and 65 $TRILLION, so high the country can't pay it back. Which also figures into his unpopularity, along with Iraq, among people who can count that high. You can't - 45 is clearly out of your reach. But about a quarter of voters surveyed last month said the economy was more important than even Iraq. Your boys are blowing both, and worshippers like you don't even care.
Sure, you're not a Republican. Noone's a Republican anymore, right? You're an "independent", of course. So you vote for Republicans, and pretend you don't. And if you believe that Hollywood is "liberal", you're wearing a mouse suit in Disneyland.
I might have thought up the nickname "Schwarznazi", but I'm not unique. He's a nazi, just like he said, no matter what other arguments about Schwarznazi you want to lose with me. All my points are meaningful, backed by facts. I don't need some Lalaland liar like you to call me clever. Or spew lies while calling me on the facts.
Now turn your glowing eyeballs back to your TV. I'm sure there's something good on, like a California Republican pretending they're got the state's trains running on time, if only those damn secular Hollywood liberals would just lie down on the tracks, or at least get into the cattlecars.
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Someone telling the simple truth about the Republican corporate government? Just mod them down. It's still true, but you can pretend no one reminded you.
You're right about the Saudis and Pakistan. But the Taliban were partners with Osama's Qaeda in Afghanistan, as makes sense since the Taliban were produced by Pakistan to take over Afghanistan from the Soviets, in collaboration with the US. Once that was done, the Taliban turned against the US, much like another CIA creation, Castro, once did. Osama threatened the Enron pipeline through Afghanistan, the Saudis got the Taliban to agree to hand Osama over to the US in exchange for huge bribes, rather than huge bombs. Then Osama convinced the Taliban to stick with him, probably offering more money and the likelihood of US bombs anyway.
The Taliban never rejected Osama. Probably they "monitored" him, but not as an enemy, but rather an important, if dangerous, ally.
So I don't know where you're getting any Taliban against Osama. The whole situation is complex, though not that complex. It is more complex related to the Saudis, especially. But if you consider all these governments colluding in the oil and military business against the American people to get our money and power, using all kinds of Mideastern and Central Asian people as pawns, then it all becomes much more simple and clear.
Ofsetting the carbon pollution during the operating phase of a product's lifecycle is a great start. Especially because it will get us talking about the real cost of the rest of the cycle, Like the carbon pollution from the energy consumed and waste produced by manufacturing and delivering the product. And then maybe even some in "discarding" the product.
OK, Californian, explain how all of Schwarznazi's ballot initiatives went down in defeat last year. His policies. Then pretend that Californians don't vote for Schwarznazi because he's a Hollywood star, like Governor Reagan.
For bonus points, ignore how Schwarznazi ran away from Bush like every other Republican running in a competitive election since Bush's disapproval ratings have risen to match his deficits.
You Republicans have nothing but spin and fantasyland. Hollywood is Republican utopia.
Bait & switch, typical Republican tactic. First, you find me an election with demonstrated "irregularities" (or worse) won by a Democrat, as I asked. Regardless of who, if anyone (other than bad luck/management) rigged it.
You can't. So you try to change the question. Typical Republican scam. Worn out. Won't work anymore. Back into your cave.
You're a kook. Now you're retreating down to "not as bad as Stalin or Mao". Maybe if I called Schwarznazi a Communist, you'd be making sense.
Go peddle your bizarre Schwarznazi worship agenda to someone else. There are plenty of other whackos who will understand it. I'm not one of them.
Well that's the point entirely. MS can "pledge" what they want, and then drop that pledge when it suits them, like when they want to infringe one of your patents. Or just drop the pledge when they want, because it's not legally binding.
Other than cheating and manipulation, putting the patents in the public domain acheives exactly what these pledges promise. Without the extra management required by holding the patents (which require oversight and even periodic fees). So it's obvious that MS is retaining them to cheat, or at least reserve that option.
So they should put them in the public domain.
This thread has been fun. Especially the part where we went from typically Slashdot arguing (mostly my fault), to agreeing. Rather than just drop it, email style, I bid you farewell :).
On Slashdot, it's also important to be careful not to help people think so hard they can't feel. A lot of the inhumane politics discussed here goes hard down that road.
No, having the patents of course protects MS claims to only yhe specific aspects of the product covered by those patents.
The public domain patent can be invoked by MS, or anyone else, as prior art that protects use of that invention from claims by anyone else.
They are exactly equal. Simply because a public domain patent it "owned" by everyone equally, and useable by everyone equally.
If anything, the public domain is better protection, because PD encourages more parties than a single holder to increment the invention without restraint, and even just to produce the original invention themselves. "Everyone's doing it" is a strong protection against a new "temporary artificial monopoly" claim by a new patenter, when the patent is already documented being put into the public domain, from which it can never be recalled.
I believe the terror cycle works by moving people through these phases:
Ignorance -> Fear -> Hate -> Anger -> Violence -> Suffering -> Alienation -> Ignorance
The easiest point to break the cycle is adding knowledge to ignorance to dispel the fear. Best done unexpectedly quickly, producing showers of laughter in a rising cycle of creation. After that point the stakes are too high, the communication too unidirectional. You have to wait until the cycle comes around again, after it's worked its damage, and the stakes rise a cycle higher.
"I admired Hitler, for instance, because he came from being a little man with almost no formal education, up to power. I admire him for being such a good public speaker and for what he did with it." - Arnold Schwarznazi
What's offensive, Schwarznazi telling people he admires Hitler, or me telling you he admires Hitler? If you're offended by the truth, it's you who needs to change.