I don't think they're the only ones doing research. I do think that Chinese researchers have apparently beaten them to a vaccine. Even if this one is a limited success, it's still beating the American effort. An effort by the biggest, most educated and pampered medical industry in the world, rolling in profits from business as usual. Beaten by the Chinese, whose domestic endemic is not nearly their highest priority for investment.
FWIW, if I thought big pharmacos were "the only ones who do medical research here and abroad", I'd hardly be congratulating a Chinese team on their medical research.
I've tracked the HIV treatment science since I was working premed fulltime in a big NYC area hospital, in the pathology lab, working daily in the blood bank. I got squirted in the eye by a punctured hot bag of just-drawn blood, in 1987 as AIDS was in all the headlines and lunch conversations. I've studied molecular genetics, epidemiological genetics. I've been to Africa several times. I've had friends who got AIDS, and have helped care for strangers. So wind your IT staff experience up in a little pill and take it yourself to vaccinate you against making the kind of totally wrong speculation about my judgement you just broke out in.
I realize the pharmacos are paying your salary, but there's a reason they're not paying you to debate people who actually know how the global epidemic racket works.
They have to worry, but they have hope that their traditional remedy can't be patented. The Indian government has won protection of traditional medicines from these patents. Synthesizing the identical "active ingredient" in the traditional extract has not been a legitimate way for pharmacos to monopolize the treatments developed by the people they discovered it from.
I hear that a lot. In fact the product is patentable, consistent with common sense. The specific "device" or product is protected by the patent, as well as closely similar ones with no "novelty". Genes are routinely patented, as well. And pharmaco prevention of traditional remedies that could compete with their patented products is increasingly common.
Boy, am I glad that tribal Australians will be reimbursed for all the R&D they invested in breeding that vine for thousands of years. That their prior art will prevent some pharmaco from patenting the vine, that the pharmaco lobbyists won't be able to prevent Australians from using the cheap original plant.
I wish the US pharmacos had this AIDS vaccine to offer Africa and the rest of the world, instead of China beating "us" to it. Instead they're happier with the half $TRILLION Medicare giveaway, expensive AIDS cocktail "treatments", and ongoing business development^W^Wepidemics.
Which Linux (not BSD) distro is the most locked down secure from initial install? Regardless of other ease of use, or performance. Debian origin (for apt-get) preferred.
Since performance seems the biggest tradeoff, which "crypto coprocessors" (PCI DSP/FPGA/ASIC/etc) have Linux OSS drivers?
I don't know, what are you referring to? I remember Gore was accused of taking bribes because a California ("Chinese") buddhist temple donated to him. Can you cite some of these Democrat bribes, and compare them to the Abramoff network, which has already kicked out one Republican Speaker of the House (run him out of Congress), sent another Republican to the longest ever jail sentence for a Congressmember (the largest recorded bribe, too), and probably will send at least another half-dozen Republican Congressmembers to jail, even before these Chinese bribes come into play? This Republican bribery scheme robbed millions in Federal programs, got a casino boat owner executed by the Mafia in Florida...
You mean the terrorists in the Spanish rightwing government that lied about a Qaeda attack on the Madrid mass transit, blaming their preferred enemies the ETA, who were exposed before the election, so replaced by the Spanish voters? Yeah, those Spanish Socialists who pulled out of America's hideous Iraq War to redeploy in Afghanistan, where the US is lamely fighting a losing pretend war as a prop to keep the irrelevant Iraq War going.
You know, just like Bush blamed Iraq for the Qaeda planebombing so we could invade his preferred enemy, and continues to do so, even though Americans think that was wrong by at least 2:1.
Thanks for bringing that up, Anonymous rightwing puppet Coward. WHERE'S OSAMA?
Law enforcement authority is not simple, blanket and unquestionable. Even in the case to which you linked, the judge decided that
"the public danger must be immediate, imminent, and impending, and the emergency in the public service must be extreme and imperative, and such as will not admit of delay or a resort to any other source of supply, and the circumstances must be such as imperatively require the exercise of that extreme power in respect to the particular property so impressed, appropriated, or destroyed"
Which might cover a cop in hot pursuit commandeering a car to make an arrest. But there's nothing in there to command aid in an investigation, certainly not in the surveillence discussed in this story. The NSA surveillence further violates another Floyd protection of our liberty from the state: "both demonstrably necessary and reasonable under all the circumstances". Not only did the judge deciding against NSA's surveillence explicitly decide that it was literally not reasonable ("unreasonable search"), but the government's only defense has been secret evidence, literally not "demonstrable". Not to courts, not to the public, and therefore certainly not to the telcos.
Perhaps most relevant in your citation is
'Sixth, if I'm helping the police and someone else gets injured, can they sue me? There's no clear rule. Many courts say that a person who obeys a police command for assistance is immune from suit, as the Wisconsin Supreme Court did in Kagel v. Bruger. But other courts have let cases go forward. In 1978, the United States Office of Legal Counsel noted, "We are aware of no common-law authority excusing an individual's negligence, even when acting under the direction of law enforcement officers."'
In this case, telcos damaged the people represented by the victorious ACLU in the suit, arguably under "direction of law enforcement". Interestingly, the US OLC was quoted in 1978, the same year the FISA law was enacted that was violated in this case.
It's pretty clear that posse comitatus, the power we're discussing, is not for use compelling Americans to help the government except in very obvious straightforward emergencies. This NSA wiretapping by telcos is not that kind of emergency.
When I post comments like that one, pointing out the bad things Bush's policies lead to, I don't really get flamed. I just get these TrollMods mod'ing me "Flamebait". It's like a rapist blaming their victim for "asking for it". Except these fuckers can't penetrate.
If a cop tells me to kill someone, I will refuse, unless they threaten to shoot me - just like anyone, cop or otherwise. Where's the law that says I have to obey a direct order? I think that's just in Hollywood movies, where a cop commandeers a car for a chase scene.
How come Qwest could refuse such an order?
I don't think any telco fatcat or FBI fascist is going to jail over this terrible crime. I do think that cablecos competing with these telcos will have a field day. Since they run the 24hr news networks, I'm really looking forward to it.
These telcos explicitly participated actively in surveillence that their lawyers should have told them was illegal. But what about CALEA in general? What about all the new VoIP surveillence? "Echelon", or whatever they call it now? If/when these surveillence programs are held accountable, if/when they are proven to violate the law and rights of Americans, what kind of liability will telcos, ISPs, and just nodes on the network hold just for compliance?
Should we offer users security from surveillence out of our obligation to ourselves for avoiding liability when the government abuses our cooperation? Or even just protecting ourselves from lawsuits which will fail but cost expenses/time, or just the ill will of the market? Qwest communications apparently did not cooperate with the NSA domestic spying program. Did they make the only good business decision of all their competitors?
If you make $12 TRILLION a year, then you have the bigger problem. If you need to borrow more next year, and the year after that, and I can afford to let you slide if you just give me more control of the world you dominate, then you have the bigger problem.
The US is no deadbeat - it's doesn't fail to pay its debts. It's among the best investments ever in the world. And its collateral is by far the best to seize.
Besides, China cares nothing for shame. Its mafia government cares only for power. Power that Bush has handed it in unprecedented amounts. In exchange for lots of Chinese bribes to Bush's Republican Party
They're just getting ahead of the curve before fuelcell mobiles become standard traveler equipment. Next up, they prekill us after preboarding to prevent suicide bombers.
"You're making things pretty. . . . You're changing colors."
That's the FBI policy: they're part of Homeland Security, so their job is mainly to tells what color today is. Otherwise terrorists might have trouble knowing which days we're not checking everyone or paying closest attention.
Do you feel safer while we're more in debt, to China, than anyone was ever in debt before to anyone, while spending a third of a $TRILLION in Iraq, $BILLIONS on fake FBI upgrades that do nothing but enrich scam contractors, and the richest among us demand more tax breaks, like "estate tax" breaks after they're dead?
What do you do for a living in NOLA? How were you able to return to town, or stay, without your career being interrupted?
How is it clear to you that the local poor people have no interest in working in rebuilding jobs? The poor people I knew when I lived in town have tried to get work, sometimes successfully, but usually not - not when they can't compete with the "immigrants". Many of whom are illegal, regardless of your hangups about the term, because they are not legally entitled to work in the US at all, let alone for the wages illegal to pay anyone. Then they go back to countries so screwed up that they can't accumulate much, and spend their accumulated dollars on cheap stuff. But eventually the transplanted immigrants who stay will find essentially the same economy in which so many poor were trapped for so many generations. Unless we fix that instead of just rebuilding the old one.
New Orleans was a very divided town, between privileged and poor, before the storm. The storm and flood only exaggerated those differences. The New Orleans ability to see only the worst across the Black/White racial divide, and to ignore any common cause, always blows my mind (as I was born and raised in NY, among a pretty ethnically diverse group of relatively wealthy professionals).
Slavery ended 141 years ago. I don't believe that only 3 generations span over 140 years, especially in New Orleans among the Black population. Even if this person you mention exists, she was lying to you. I don't think that represents the hundreds of thousands of people in New Orleans. I don't know how you pick the people you deal with, but if you believed her story, I'm not surprised you can't tell that she doesn't represent them.
My own experience shows something very different. I know many people who told me stories of personal heroism, risk of life, abandonment of property, in the week during and after Katrina while they helped strangers. And I personally have seen people in neighborhoods there helping each other clean up, rebuild, patrol, do all kinds of things for each other.
New Orleans was a city with something like 40% illiterates. There sure are and were lots of bad people who couldn't take care of themselves. The corrupt welfare system certainly did keep lots of people down - whether more than it helped up or not neither you nor I know.
But the idea that the bad people you met somehow mean that New Orleans deserves the destruction, that they can just clean up the toxic mess that the rest of the country, in voting for our government, let happen though we knew it was inevitable, is worthy of some of the least intelligent among them. Louisiana is legendary for its corrupt politicians, its system that keeps poor people and lower class families from making any changes. The system has failed New Orleans so many ways for so many generations that it's no surprise that it can't just "wake up" from its nightmare, even after a shock like Katrina. The only surprise should be that the rest of the country is so ready to dismiss, forget, write off the city and all its residents. So you couldn't handle New Orleans - you're far from the first. But you blew your chance to learn from the unique experience. And I'm not interested in learning any lessons from you who have no excuse for failing to think clearly about such an important mess that you not only lived through, but that paid your bills for at least a year.
What are you talking about? Those Red States are getting all the Federal money, and all the Blue States are paying it. Those Red States are majority White and Republican.
The "statistics" are simple. And the Republican Congress for the past dozen years has funneled the welfare into those states to reward their cronies and to attract more welfare hounds, still mostly White and Republican, to swell their Congressional and Electoral College representation. All while raising the Federal expenses to vast, unprecedented amounts. Which the Blue States will have to pay off, as they're the ones which pay taxes.
The lies that Republicans tell about "independence" and "self sufficiency" and "small government" and "welfare queens" are all that you've got to convince you that those stats are wrong. They're right, and your Red States are Welfare States. Stop propping up their lies with fake "common sense". It's way to expensive.
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I don't think they're the only ones doing research. I do think that Chinese researchers have apparently beaten them to a vaccine. Even if this one is a limited success, it's still beating the American effort. An effort by the biggest, most educated and pampered medical industry in the world, rolling in profits from business as usual. Beaten by the Chinese, whose domestic endemic is not nearly their highest priority for investment.
FWIW, if I thought big pharmacos were "the only ones who do medical research here and abroad", I'd hardly be congratulating a Chinese team on their medical research.
I've tracked the HIV treatment science since I was working premed fulltime in a big NYC area hospital, in the pathology lab, working daily in the blood bank. I got squirted in the eye by a punctured hot bag of just-drawn blood, in 1987 as AIDS was in all the headlines and lunch conversations. I've studied molecular genetics, epidemiological genetics. I've been to Africa several times. I've had friends who got AIDS, and have helped care for strangers. So wind your IT staff experience up in a little pill and take it yourself to vaccinate you against making the kind of totally wrong speculation about my judgement you just broke out in.
I realize the pharmacos are paying your salary, but there's a reason they're not paying you to debate people who actually know how the global epidemic racket works.
All the best Yippies, and George McGovern, swear by ibogaine.
Slashdot is a powerful psychedelic, moderation an entheogen, metamoderation virtual reality. Too bad it's so habit forming, but at least it's free.
They have to worry, but they have hope that their traditional remedy can't be patented. The Indian government has won protection of traditional medicines from these patents. Synthesizing the identical "active ingredient" in the traditional extract has not been a legitimate way for pharmacos to monopolize the treatments developed by the people they discovered it from.
I hear that a lot. In fact the product is patentable, consistent with common sense. The specific "device" or product is protected by the patent, as well as closely similar ones with no "novelty". Genes are routinely patented, as well. And pharmaco prevention of traditional remedies that could compete with their patented products is increasingly common.
How fortunate that tribal Africans spent thousands of years breeding ibogaine for an opiate withdrawal/detox remedy.
Boy, am I glad that tribal Australians will be reimbursed for all the R&D they invested in breeding that vine for thousands of years. That their prior art will prevent some pharmaco from patenting the vine, that the pharmaco lobbyists won't be able to prevent Australians from using the cheap original plant.
I wish the US pharmacos had this AIDS vaccine to offer Africa and the rest of the world, instead of China beating "us" to it. Instead they're happier with the half $TRILLION Medicare giveaway, expensive AIDS cocktail "treatments", and ongoing business development^W^Wepidemics.
Which Linux (not BSD) distro is the most locked down secure from initial install? Regardless of other ease of use, or performance. Debian origin (for apt-get) preferred.
Since performance seems the biggest tradeoff, which "crypto coprocessors" (PCI DSP/FPGA/ASIC/etc) have Linux OSS drivers?
George Bush: biggest war criminal since Mao Tse Tung.
I don't know, what are you referring to? I remember Gore was accused of taking bribes because a California ("Chinese") buddhist temple donated to him. Can you cite some of these Democrat bribes, and compare them to the Abramoff network, which has already kicked out one Republican Speaker of the House (run him out of Congress), sent another Republican to the longest ever jail sentence for a Congressmember (the largest recorded bribe, too), and probably will send at least another half-dozen Republican Congressmembers to jail, even before these Chinese bribes come into play? This Republican bribery scheme robbed millions in Federal programs, got a casino boat owner executed by the Mafia in Florida...
The corporate "shield" really shows how many "morals" are merely "ethics", which are negotiable.
You mean the terrorists in the Spanish rightwing government that lied about a Qaeda attack on the Madrid mass transit, blaming their preferred enemies the ETA, who were exposed before the election, so replaced by the Spanish voters? Yeah, those Spanish Socialists who pulled out of America's hideous Iraq War to redeploy in Afghanistan, where the US is lamely fighting a losing pretend war as a prop to keep the irrelevant Iraq War going.
You know, just like Bush blamed Iraq for the Qaeda planebombing so we could invade his preferred enemy, and continues to do so, even though Americans think that was wrong by at least 2:1.
Thanks for bringing that up, Anonymous rightwing puppet Coward. WHERE'S OSAMA?
Law enforcement authority is not simple, blanket and unquestionable. Even in the case to which you linked, the judge decided that
"the public danger must be immediate, imminent, and impending, and the emergency in the public service must be extreme and imperative, and such as will not admit of delay or a resort to any other source of supply, and the circumstances must be such as imperatively require the exercise of that extreme power in respect to the particular property so impressed, appropriated, or destroyed"
Which might cover a cop in hot pursuit commandeering a car to make an arrest. But there's nothing in there to command aid in an investigation, certainly not in the surveillence discussed in this story. The NSA surveillence further violates another Floyd protection of our liberty from the state: "both demonstrably necessary and reasonable under all the circumstances". Not only did the judge deciding against NSA's surveillence explicitly decide that it was literally not reasonable ("unreasonable search"), but the government's only defense has been secret evidence, literally not "demonstrable". Not to courts, not to the public, and therefore certainly not to the telcos.
Perhaps most relevant in your citation is
'Sixth, if I'm helping the police and someone else gets injured, can they sue me? There's no clear rule. Many courts say that a person who obeys a police command for assistance is immune from suit, as the Wisconsin Supreme Court did in Kagel v. Bruger. But other courts have let cases go forward. In 1978, the United States Office of Legal Counsel noted, "We are aware of no common-law authority excusing an individual's negligence, even when acting under the direction of law enforcement officers."'
In this case, telcos damaged the people represented by the victorious ACLU in the suit, arguably under "direction of law enforcement". Interestingly, the US OLC was quoted in 1978, the same year the FISA law was enacted that was violated in this case.
It's pretty clear that posse comitatus, the power we're discussing, is not for use compelling Americans to help the government except in very obvious straightforward emergencies. This NSA wiretapping by telcos is not that kind of emergency.
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When I post comments like that one, pointing out the bad things Bush's policies lead to, I don't really get flamed. I just get these TrollMods mod'ing me "Flamebait". It's like a rapist blaming their victim for "asking for it". Except these fuckers can't penetrate.
If a cop tells me to kill someone, I will refuse, unless they threaten to shoot me - just like anyone, cop or otherwise. Where's the law that says I have to obey a direct order? I think that's just in Hollywood movies, where a cop commandeers a car for a chase scene.
How come Qwest could refuse such an order?
I don't think any telco fatcat or FBI fascist is going to jail over this terrible crime. I do think that cablecos competing with these telcos will have a field day. Since they run the 24hr news networks, I'm really looking forward to it.
These telcos explicitly participated actively in surveillence that their lawyers should have told them was illegal. But what about CALEA in general? What about all the new VoIP surveillence? "Echelon", or whatever they call it now? If/when these surveillence programs are held accountable, if/when they are proven to violate the law and rights of Americans, what kind of liability will telcos, ISPs, and just nodes on the network hold just for compliance?
Should we offer users security from surveillence out of our obligation to ourselves for avoiding liability when the government abuses our cooperation? Or even just protecting ourselves from lawsuits which will fail but cost expenses/time, or just the ill will of the market? Qwest communications apparently did not cooperate with the NSA domestic spying program. Did they make the only good business decision of all their competitors?
I guess they're just DHS wannabees, then.
If you make $12 TRILLION a year, then you have the bigger problem. If you need to borrow more next year, and the year after that, and I can afford to let you slide if you just give me more control of the world you dominate, then you have the bigger problem.
The US is no deadbeat - it's doesn't fail to pay its debts. It's among the best investments ever in the world. And its collateral is by far the best to seize.
Besides, China cares nothing for shame. Its mafia government cares only for power. Power that Bush has handed it in unprecedented amounts. In exchange for lots of Chinese bribes to Bush's Republican Party
They're just getting ahead of the curve before fuelcell mobiles become standard traveler equipment. Next up, they prekill us after preboarding to prevent suicide bombers.
"You're making things pretty. . . . You're changing colors."
That's the FBI policy: they're part of Homeland Security, so their job is mainly to tells what color today is. Otherwise terrorists might have trouble knowing which days we're not checking everyone or paying closest attention.
Do you feel safer while we're more in debt, to China, than anyone was ever in debt before to anyone, while spending a third of a $TRILLION in Iraq, $BILLIONS on fake FBI upgrades that do nothing but enrich scam contractors, and the richest among us demand more tax breaks, like "estate tax" breaks after they're dead?
WHERE'S OSAMA?
The math says that you're mad at a poor 87 year old woman who lost everything because she hasn't cleaned up a destroyed house packed with mud.
Thanks for clarifying how happy you were to carry a gun around New Orleans, looking for battles with unarmed men.
I hope you're glad that your home is dry and clean today. Which Welfare State would that happen to be in?
What do you do for a living in NOLA? How were you able to return to town, or stay, without your career being interrupted?
How is it clear to you that the local poor people have no interest in working in rebuilding jobs? The poor people I knew when I lived in town have tried to get work, sometimes successfully, but usually not - not when they can't compete with the "immigrants". Many of whom are illegal, regardless of your hangups about the term, because they are not legally entitled to work in the US at all, let alone for the wages illegal to pay anyone. Then they go back to countries so screwed up that they can't accumulate much, and spend their accumulated dollars on cheap stuff. But eventually the transplanted immigrants who stay will find essentially the same economy in which so many poor were trapped for so many generations. Unless we fix that instead of just rebuilding the old one.
New Orleans was a very divided town, between privileged and poor, before the storm. The storm and flood only exaggerated those differences. The New Orleans ability to see only the worst across the Black/White racial divide, and to ignore any common cause, always blows my mind (as I was born and raised in NY, among a pretty ethnically diverse group of relatively wealthy professionals).
Slavery ended 141 years ago. I don't believe that only 3 generations span over 140 years, especially in New Orleans among the Black population. Even if this person you mention exists, she was lying to you. I don't think that represents the hundreds of thousands of people in New Orleans. I don't know how you pick the people you deal with, but if you believed her story, I'm not surprised you can't tell that she doesn't represent them.
My own experience shows something very different. I know many people who told me stories of personal heroism, risk of life, abandonment of property, in the week during and after Katrina while they helped strangers. And I personally have seen people in neighborhoods there helping each other clean up, rebuild, patrol, do all kinds of things for each other.
New Orleans was a city with something like 40% illiterates. There sure are and were lots of bad people who couldn't take care of themselves. The corrupt welfare system certainly did keep lots of people down - whether more than it helped up or not neither you nor I know.
But the idea that the bad people you met somehow mean that New Orleans deserves the destruction, that they can just clean up the toxic mess that the rest of the country, in voting for our government, let happen though we knew it was inevitable, is worthy of some of the least intelligent among them. Louisiana is legendary for its corrupt politicians, its system that keeps poor people and lower class families from making any changes. The system has failed New Orleans so many ways for so many generations that it's no surprise that it can't just "wake up" from its nightmare, even after a shock like Katrina. The only surprise should be that the rest of the country is so ready to dismiss, forget, write off the city and all its residents. So you couldn't handle New Orleans - you're far from the first. But you blew your chance to learn from the unique experience. And I'm not interested in learning any lessons from you who have no excuse for failing to think clearly about such an important mess that you not only lived through, but that paid your bills for at least a year.
What are you talking about? Those Red States are getting all the Federal money, and all the Blue States are paying it. Those Red States are majority White and Republican.
The "statistics" are simple. And the Republican Congress for the past dozen years has funneled the welfare into those states to reward their cronies and to attract more welfare hounds, still mostly White and Republican, to swell their Congressional and Electoral College representation. All while raising the Federal expenses to vast, unprecedented amounts. Which the Blue States will have to pay off, as they're the ones which pay taxes.
The lies that Republicans tell about "independence" and "self sufficiency" and "small government" and "welfare queens" are all that you've got to convince you that those stats are wrong. They're right, and your Red States are Welfare States. Stop propping up their lies with fake "common sense". It's way to expensive.