Senator Ted Stevens is the kind of nerd who wishes he were a geek, doesn't have the brains. He does have the sucka MC mic on C-SPAN whenever he wants to throw down the jive, so he's an artificial-hip-hopper, nationwide.
Saying a complex psychological behavior is simply a result of having "elevated levels of a brain chemical" is like saying your program has a bug because "it has too many 1s and not enough 0s".
It's kinda true, but even more important is where those signals are present, what is detecting them, and how they got there.
A post of "It's interesting that now that the Internet is becoming a credible alternative to mass media for news and commerce that the government is regulating it big time."
in reply to a story called "How Washington Will Shape the Internet"
The Patriot Acts are a giant fraud stuck on the US by Bush and his Republican Congress. Of course it was not sold to the public as a way for employers to violate your privacy. Of course it is used to spy on people for business and personal reasons totally unrelated to "terrorism" or security of any kind. And of course we are stuck with it.
And I think that muddling data and presentation without explicit distinction is exactly what was wrong with HTML. Which we just spent a decade slightly recovering from. I guess IBM has made a lot of money on crappy tools, good tools to extract data from crappy data, and extra money for doing it right.
What the hell are you talking about? NYC is the oldest and the largest city in America. It's absolutely sustainable. In fact, we sustain the rest of the country with our hard work. That Iowa farmer is getting back about $1.11 for every dollar they send to Washington, while I'm getting back about $0.72 - the rest goes to Iowa and the rest of the Welfare States we're subsidizing. Since we've got all the people, and they've got so few, we're supporting quite a lot of those freeloaders. They'd better be driving that F350 for me. Especially since my gas costs so much more than theirs, though mine comes right off the ship, right out of the NJ refinery, and theirs comes across the prairie in trucks, heating their homes through their endless winters. That prairie that NYC spent centuries populating through subsidies and management - that they're blowing in just a few generations.
High density living is certainly more energy efficient. Especially in NYC, where we are smarter, so we live more efficiently. Not only do we use mass transit and walk (look at how goddamn fat those Iowans are, on our welfare), but we prepare food centrally too, in restaurants, which are much more efficient in every phase.
And the trees I planted were planted in deforested areas where trees weren't growing on their own, though people had "let them" without results for years.
Who cares what credit you give? You've found one of the weirdest venues for homophobia I've seen, ornamented with being totally wrong about everything. I bet you voted for Bush. You have no business talking as if you had a clue about reproduction, energy, economics, New York City or anything else. Go entertain your friends with your ignorance - in NYC we don't have time for it.
That process you describe is in fact what defines all the copyright redefinition, DRM, rebroadcast, and all the other governance of publishing. Which is why the only way to fight corporate power is to give away the press to everyone possible. Diversity, redundancy and distribution are strength. Imagine how fascist our society would be already if the powers that be, like Microsoft and the politicians, had "seen it coming".
It's interesting that now that the Internet is becoming a credible alternative to mass media for news and commerce that the government is regulating it big time.
Way. Your DOE citation is just electricity. The actual DOE reports for just 2001 total residential energy consumption (5 years ago, but their most recent) show that our 107M households consumed over 21QBTU, which is actually almost 7KW. Which doesn't include per-household transit consumption etc.
And I never said $0.04:KWh isn't expensive. I just pointed out that the post was criticizing someone as a cheapass while explicitly whining about $6:mo. I'm a cheapass myself, but I don't deny it.
If either of those products were necessary to American life, rather than a fringe luxury, and sold by a cartel making unprecedented profits which drain a feeble economy, American people would be clamoring for war against their dealers.
You can invent whatever strawman arguments you want to shadowbox with. I said none of what you're claiming. I said only that we're wasting a huge amount of money in Iraq, and implied we should be unhappy about that. That we'd be happier spending the money on something like cow power.
People like you who will pretend that Bush "uses alternative energy" because he bikes or somesuch insignificant activity on his part will "turn away from my statements and just ignore me" because you're CRAZY. You will say anything, no matter how nonsensical, to cover up your guilt. You think buying 225W in solar panels over the next 5 years will compensate for that SUV you drove, the tax breaks that paid for it? You're living in a fantasyland. You're a "concern troll", who cares nothing for whether people listen to me, except that they listen to you instead.
You voted for Bush/Cheney, the oil screwups who hustled into power on the kinds of lies you apparently live on. Like your hunger for the too little/late ANWR that you can't even spell, let alone justify - it's just another buzzword you heard on Rush Limbaugh junkie radio.
The actual reality, the kind we all live in together, that you can touch and measure, not the kind you create with your delusions in your medium of choice, is that most Americans have realized we've put the foxes in charge of the henhouse. That we've already done so much damage that there are few, if any, good options. That Bush/Cheney and their cheering section has squandered so much American resources that we'll take generations to recover, if ever. That change has come partly from people like me who don't let people like you just spin your lies unopposed. Which has gradually used the power of the truth against the power of your media, greed and unmitigated selfishness.
You're losing, no matter how you care to spin it. Even when you were winning you were losing, because you were destroying our country. Now your hideous dream is falling apart, and people like me who never believed it because we live in reality are picking up the pieces. I already use much less than the national average of energy (less than 1/4). As I have for years, with a pretty lush lifestyle. You're trying to catch up with how I live with relatively low impact. Just try to stop alienating the sensible people like me who've been doing this for years with your lies, attacks, nonsense and public ignorance. You've got a lot to learn. Start acting like you've already learned a minimum required to act like a real person.
I live in NYC, where our average energy consumption is less than 1/2 the nation's (something like 2KW vs 5KW per household). I use mass transit or walk; most people I know with cars often share rides with other people. We're a gigantic city, with our energy profile footprint covering over 15 million people, really bringing down the average energy consumption. Who voted something like 3:1 or more for the more liberal candidate, as usual.
I also worked for a long time running a recycling warehouse. I've personally already recycled more material and energy (even just my share of that team) than I will consume in the rest of my life. I've planted trees that will sequester more carbon than I will exhale.
I'm part of much less than 1%. Which is why I want our government to manage the rest of the selfish, doomed slobs into doing what it takes to keep us from destroying ourselves. I'm cheapass, too, and lazy. I don't want to keep pulling for the rest of them. You want to get into the politics, I'm tired of 60% of the population (nonvoting) doing nothing, not even whining, plus 20% of the population (Republicans) whining about people protecting the environment, making 80% of the country working hard at both destroying our environment and denying it. I can't recycle enough to cover them.
I don't think the Iraq war was done for my benefit. What makes you think I do? I'm not confused by the price hike. Put a loser oilman in front of a tyrannical warmonger oilman in the White House, everyone pays a lot more for oil and wars.
The people who contributed money and votes to Bush/Cheney got some things they wanted: lots of killing and some rich corporations. Of course, they were promised cheap oil and safety, as well as actual (tax refund) checks in the mail, but I know that only a few fools actually believed it.
How about I look at my own electric bill, as I have for decades? In NYC, where I pay $0.09:KWh (the highest rate in the country, I'm told), cow power would cost me 45% more. I haven't said whether I'd buy cow power myself, but I did comment on your own contradiction. Complaining about even $60:mo is cheapass compared to the true costs of petropower - $6 is really cheapass. I'm a cheapass myself, but I'm not criticizing others for being cheapass.
As for Iraq, there's no trolling. I post to get people to talk about our invasion, think about it for themselves, entertaining the possibility someone will say something I can learn from myself. There's no trolling. As for whether "we" need their oil that badly, the reasons why we invaded that oil tank aren't simply the oil, but all the other things that country has because it has oil. The oil is the basis for the invasion, not merely the spoils of war. We're going to spend over a $TRILLION because of that invasion, even before that oil is tapped by anyone. We've already driven oil profits to unprecedented amounts, over $75:bl without significantly increasing the cost (to the producer) of production. While destroying the credibility of democracy, and creating the kind of theocrat opportunity we made in Somalia, conveniently within Iran's grasp. If we spent all that time, money and personnel on cow power, we'd be a lot richer and more free.
The US has a huge, unsupportable imbalance of foreign trade. We've got a huge, unsupportable debt. Our foreign policy is an exploding ruin, led by the nose by foreign energy dependence. There's not enough cheap petrofuel for the US and the rest of the world to maintain production as we all grow.
Of course the US has "heard of trade". We produce about a quarter of everything consumed on the planet - even our fattest gluttons can't consume that ourselves with only 5% of the population. We're the tradingest nation in the world - Japan imports much of that food from us.
That's why we are experts in dependence, and it's downside. And the upside of independence. Our national holiday is Independence Day.
The US dependence on foreign energy is our worst threat to our existence. That's why we have so many people who want to become more self-sufficient in it. Even while most of us work every day to increase our overall trade with the world, which dominates world trade.
Every day I look at "early adopters" of technology who pay "too much" for what they get. It pays for the investment in starting the new tech, as well as (often) significant profit for those risking the actual investments across many techs. That's not charity, that's investment. Though investment in going cow sounds like a pretty good charity, even if it's never competitively profitable, in taking oneself out of the energy/pollution loop, even flipping it positive by "recycling" the waste.
Where does the extra, unperceived reality have to come from? That's what "it's all just a dream" means.
There is no difference between a dream that must be treated as real and consequential, and "reality", except the dream allows that "there is more in heaven and Earth than is dreamed in one's philosophy".
Buddhism is one very successful attitude towards existence that treats reality that way: you are the dream of the dreamer dreaming the dream. It turns out to be consistent with the most successful Eurasian beliefs and faiths: mathematics, as in relativity, quantum physics, and logic.
We have a merely semantic difference. Your "strict (narrow) faith" is my "belief". Your "weak (wide) faith" is my "faith".
I use a different word, "belief", to distinguish between necessary faith and faith that can be replaced by proof.
Another difference we have is my belief in Godel's incompleteness theorem, which conflicts with your statement that all of w is knowable. But I'm not totally convinced that Godel's theorem applies to the real world, rather than the synthetic world of pure mathematics. A dispute which I'm not interested in today, already more than "satisfied" with the discussion my post about fact/belief/faith already produced.
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What are you trying to say, nerd? Abckwards, indeed.
Senator Ted Stevens is the kind of nerd who wishes he were a geek, doesn't have the brains. He does have the sucka MC mic on C-SPAN whenever he wants to throw down the jive, so he's an artificial-hip-hopper, nationwide.
Saying a complex psychological behavior is simply a result of having "elevated levels of a brain chemical" is like saying your program has a bug because "it has too many 1s and not enough 0s".
It's kinda true, but even more important is where those signals are present, what is detecting them, and how they got there.
Our city will kick your ass, Anonymous hick Coward.
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A post of "It's interesting that now that the Internet is becoming a credible alternative to mass media for news and commerce that the government is regulating it big time."
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TrollModdery is close enough for government work.
The Patriot Acts are a giant fraud stuck on the US by Bush and his Republican Congress. Of course it was not sold to the public as a way for employers to violate your privacy. Of course it is used to spy on people for business and personal reasons totally unrelated to "terrorism" or security of any kind. And of course we are stuck with it.
WHERE'S OSAMA?
And I think that muddling data and presentation without explicit distinction is exactly what was wrong with HTML. Which we just spent a decade slightly recovering from. I guess IBM has made a lot of money on crappy tools, good tools to extract data from crappy data, and extra money for doing it right.
And sometimes it's CO2, when tanks of it are used in industrial drying.
I know, I've snorted all of it in my day, almost always inadvertently.
What the hell are you talking about? NYC is the oldest and the largest city in America. It's absolutely sustainable. In fact, we sustain the rest of the country with our hard work. That Iowa farmer is getting back about $1.11 for every dollar they send to Washington, while I'm getting back about $0.72 - the rest goes to Iowa and the rest of the Welfare States we're subsidizing. Since we've got all the people, and they've got so few, we're supporting quite a lot of those freeloaders. They'd better be driving that F350 for me. Especially since my gas costs so much more than theirs, though mine comes right off the ship, right out of the NJ refinery, and theirs comes across the prairie in trucks, heating their homes through their endless winters. That prairie that NYC spent centuries populating through subsidies and management - that they're blowing in just a few generations.
High density living is certainly more energy efficient. Especially in NYC, where we are smarter, so we live more efficiently. Not only do we use mass transit and walk (look at how goddamn fat those Iowans are, on our welfare), but we prepare food centrally too, in restaurants, which are much more efficient in every phase.
And the trees I planted were planted in deforested areas where trees weren't growing on their own, though people had "let them" without results for years.
Who cares what credit you give? You've found one of the weirdest venues for homophobia I've seen, ornamented with being totally wrong about everything. I bet you voted for Bush. You have no business talking as if you had a clue about reproduction, energy, economics, New York City or anything else. Go entertain your friends with your ignorance - in NYC we don't have time for it.
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That process you describe is in fact what defines all the copyright redefinition, DRM, rebroadcast, and all the other governance of publishing. Which is why the only way to fight corporate power is to give away the press to everyone possible. Diversity, redundancy and distribution are strength. Imagine how fascist our society would be already if the powers that be, like Microsoft and the politicians, had "seen it coming".
Your Republican Congress wants to remix the Internet.
It's interesting that now that the Internet is becoming a credible alternative to mass media for news and commerce that the government is regulating it big time.
Bush is threatening to use his first-ever veto over his Republican Congress to keep public funding from increasing embryonic stemcell research the way it subsidizes all the rest of American medical R&D.
Way. Your DOE citation is just electricity. The actual DOE reports for just 2001 total residential energy consumption (5 years ago, but their most recent) show that our 107M households consumed over 21QBTU, which is actually almost 7KW. Which doesn't include per-household transit consumption etc.
And I never said $0.04:KWh isn't expensive. I just pointed out that the post was criticizing someone as a cheapass while explicitly whining about $6:mo. I'm a cheapass myself, but I don't deny it.
Compared to canned air, bottled water is cheap.
If either of those products were necessary to American life, rather than a fringe luxury, and sold by a cartel making unprecedented profits which drain a feeble economy, American people would be clamoring for war against their dealers.
You can invent whatever strawman arguments you want to shadowbox with. I said none of what you're claiming. I said only that we're wasting a huge amount of money in Iraq, and implied we should be unhappy about that. That we'd be happier spending the money on something like cow power.
People like you who will pretend that Bush "uses alternative energy" because he bikes or somesuch insignificant activity on his part will "turn away from my statements and just ignore me" because you're CRAZY. You will say anything, no matter how nonsensical, to cover up your guilt. You think buying 225W in solar panels over the next 5 years will compensate for that SUV you drove, the tax breaks that paid for it? You're living in a fantasyland. You're a "concern troll", who cares nothing for whether people listen to me, except that they listen to you instead.
You voted for Bush/Cheney, the oil screwups who hustled into power on the kinds of lies you apparently live on. Like your hunger for the too little/late ANWR that you can't even spell, let alone justify - it's just another buzzword you heard on Rush Limbaugh junkie radio.
The actual reality, the kind we all live in together, that you can touch and measure, not the kind you create with your delusions in your medium of choice, is that most Americans have realized we've put the foxes in charge of the henhouse. That we've already done so much damage that there are few, if any, good options. That Bush/Cheney and their cheering section has squandered so much American resources that we'll take generations to recover, if ever. That change has come partly from people like me who don't let people like you just spin your lies unopposed. Which has gradually used the power of the truth against the power of your media, greed and unmitigated selfishness.
You're losing, no matter how you care to spin it. Even when you were winning you were losing, because you were destroying our country. Now your hideous dream is falling apart, and people like me who never believed it because we live in reality are picking up the pieces. I already use much less than the national average of energy (less than 1/4). As I have for years, with a pretty lush lifestyle. You're trying to catch up with how I live with relatively low impact. Just try to stop alienating the sensible people like me who've been doing this for years with your lies, attacks, nonsense and public ignorance. You've got a lot to learn. Start acting like you've already learned a minimum required to act like a real person.
I live in NYC, where our average energy consumption is less than 1/2 the nation's (something like 2KW vs 5KW per household). I use mass transit or walk; most people I know with cars often share rides with other people. We're a gigantic city, with our energy profile footprint covering over 15 million people, really bringing down the average energy consumption. Who voted something like 3:1 or more for the more liberal candidate, as usual.
I also worked for a long time running a recycling warehouse. I've personally already recycled more material and energy (even just my share of that team) than I will consume in the rest of my life. I've planted trees that will sequester more carbon than I will exhale.
I'm part of much less than 1%. Which is why I want our government to manage the rest of the selfish, doomed slobs into doing what it takes to keep us from destroying ourselves. I'm cheapass, too, and lazy. I don't want to keep pulling for the rest of them. You want to get into the politics, I'm tired of 60% of the population (nonvoting) doing nothing, not even whining, plus 20% of the population (Republicans) whining about people protecting the environment, making 80% of the country working hard at both destroying our environment and denying it. I can't recycle enough to cover them.
I don't think the Iraq war was done for my benefit. What makes you think I do? I'm not confused by the price hike. Put a loser oilman in front of a tyrannical warmonger oilman in the White House, everyone pays a lot more for oil and wars.
The people who contributed money and votes to Bush/Cheney got some things they wanted: lots of killing and some rich corporations. Of course, they were promised cheap oil and safety, as well as actual (tax refund) checks in the mail, but I know that only a few fools actually believed it.
None of that reality means I have to like it.
How about I look at my own electric bill, as I have for decades? In NYC, where I pay $0.09:KWh (the highest rate in the country, I'm told), cow power would cost me 45% more. I haven't said whether I'd buy cow power myself, but I did comment on your own contradiction. Complaining about even $60:mo is cheapass compared to the true costs of petropower - $6 is really cheapass. I'm a cheapass myself, but I'm not criticizing others for being cheapass.
As for Iraq, there's no trolling. I post to get people to talk about our invasion, think about it for themselves, entertaining the possibility someone will say something I can learn from myself. There's no trolling. As for whether "we" need their oil that badly, the reasons why we invaded that oil tank aren't simply the oil, but all the other things that country has because it has oil. The oil is the basis for the invasion, not merely the spoils of war. We're going to spend over a $TRILLION because of that invasion, even before that oil is tapped by anyone. We've already driven oil profits to unprecedented amounts, over $75:bl without significantly increasing the cost (to the producer) of production. While destroying the credibility of democracy, and creating the kind of theocrat opportunity we made in Somalia, conveniently within Iran's grasp. If we spent all that time, money and personnel on cow power, we'd be a lot richer and more free.
The US has a huge, unsupportable imbalance of foreign trade. We've got a huge, unsupportable debt. Our foreign policy is an exploding ruin, led by the nose by foreign energy dependence. There's not enough cheap petrofuel for the US and the rest of the world to maintain production as we all grow.
Of course the US has "heard of trade". We produce about a quarter of everything consumed on the planet - even our fattest gluttons can't consume that ourselves with only 5% of the population. We're the tradingest nation in the world - Japan imports much of that food from us.
That's why we are experts in dependence, and it's downside. And the upside of independence. Our national holiday is Independence Day.
The US dependence on foreign energy is our worst threat to our existence. That's why we have so many people who want to become more self-sufficient in it. Even while most of us work every day to increase our overall trade with the world, which dominates world trade.
Every day I look at "early adopters" of technology who pay "too much" for what they get. It pays for the investment in starting the new tech, as well as (often) significant profit for those risking the actual investments across many techs. That's not charity, that's investment. Though investment in going cow sounds like a pretty good charity, even if it's never competitively profitable, in taking oneself out of the energy/pollution loop, even flipping it positive by "recycling" the waste.
Where does the extra, unperceived reality have to come from? That's what "it's all just a dream" means.
There is no difference between a dream that must be treated as real and consequential, and "reality", except the dream allows that "there is more in heaven and Earth than is dreamed in one's philosophy".
Buddhism is one very successful attitude towards existence that treats reality that way: you are the dream of the dreamer dreaming the dream. It turns out to be consistent with the most successful Eurasian beliefs and faiths: mathematics, as in relativity, quantum physics, and logic.
We have a merely semantic difference. Your "strict (narrow) faith" is my "belief". Your "weak (wide) faith" is my "faith".
I use a different word, "belief", to distinguish between necessary faith and faith that can be replaced by proof.
Another difference we have is my belief in Godel's incompleteness theorem, which conflicts with your statement that all of w is knowable. But I'm not totally convinced that Godel's theorem applies to the real world, rather than the synthetic world of pure mathematics. A dispute which I'm not interested in today, already more than "satisfied" with the discussion my post about fact/belief/faith already produced.