There's still a lot of momentum in the warming system. But scientists are still saying we've got about 10 years until the tipping point, as far as they can tell. We have no reason to think that cutting emissions will make the Greenhouse worse, every reason to think more emissions will make it worse. Until we know it's too late, we should play it safe. Instead, we're pumping more than ever (by "we" I mean BushCo and some smaller players).
Europe and Japan have a big share of the rich and powerful, and they at least work under the Kyoto Treaty. Now they have to do twice as much to make up for the suicidal Americans, and the Canadians, Arabs, Venezuelans and Africans who love them.
That's the strawman invoked by cowards who want to prioritize anything but actually catching the guy who attacked NYC. Talk all you want about how hard it is to catch Osama, to dismantle the Qaeda, but that's priority #1. What we do with him to use him to our advantage is fortunately up to people more imaginative than you, who just accepts that he's won and we should give up.
Maybe your "richest state" is Connecticut, maybe it's California, maybe it's New Jersey. NJ and CT are heavily subsidized by NYC, where those people come every day to make their money, but don't pay taxes for the services they consume. If you're talking about California, it's "richest" only by total income, with by far the largest population. A state relentlessly subsidized by the Federal government, therefore NYC, since its inception.
Hijacking the war on the Afghani Taliban to invade Iraq was the worst political con job, the stupidest strategic boondoggle in American history.
On top of everything else, we squandered our one chance to invade a "nonobvious" country: Pakistan, when the Taliban retreated back to their country of origin, under protection of the Pakistani secret police (ISI). Who just happened to be supplying Iraq, N. Korea and Iran with nuclear weapons. Shipped through Dubai. And invading India with terrorists. See the connections? If Bush had done what was necessary after the Qaeda planebombings, he'd have actually been making Pakistan choose between "going straight" or war with the US. Instead, he took us to war with all the other guys. And now we're totally screwed, at least twice over.
Of course those are the reasons given. They're good reasons. The "therefore we invade Iraq" is the product of the non sequitur department over at BushCo.
To be more precise I want to save my world from coming to an end. Saving all the fools who won't help save themselves is just part of the necessary cost. But there's no reason I have to suffer those fools gladly. Cynical sarcasm is one of the ways I cut through the Greenhouse denial early. They go hand in hand. I switch from being nice to being nasty on input from trolls, jerks and insufferable fools. Why does self-preservation have to be nice all the time, especially when it often doesn't work?
It's not an assumption. The scientific consensus is that changing human activity, like reducing CO2 emissions, would reduce the current warming. It's more like "not stoking the engine with as much coal as it can hold".
You can't even post under a Slashdot username, you make some ridiculous argument that reducing pollution equals doing absolutely nothing, and I should trust you to do your part?
You smelly hippie, your increased, though brief, pollution contribution from setting yourself on fire would be well worth the end of your idiotic prattle.
So? It's the human environment I care about. The Earth can take care of itself - as it clearly is now, by accommodating humanity's headlong, nearly-heedless race towards self-destruction.
His point is specious, and sure to be rejiggered no matter what facts hassle it.
You too are insisting on some other argument. Like I said, it's not important whether you agree that humans caused the current climate change. What's important is the evidence that stopping our pollution will slow or stop the trend.
So, since you've used up your chance at respect with your little trick strawman, you can take some advice. Don't piss off my little friends. Because they're coming to get you - much faster than the seas will drown you.
I don't see you whining about "indirect measurements" to save the "endangered blue iguana" in your.sig.
I don't debate people who start off only pretending to debate me. My points are already made, so it's just candy for me to settle down to some justified namecalling. If that's your excuse for ignoring my valid arguments, that's your problem. Which you're drowning in.
- Discourage followers by exposing his myth to reality - Discourage new leaders by punishing him - Discourage other threats by showing attacking the US has consequences - Extracting info from Osama to help destroy the rest of his network
The robodonkey can wait.
Maybe it's because I live in NYC, where I'm from, and get to look at where the WTC used to be most days, that I actually care about getting the guy who did it. Maybe you think letting him go to work on a science project instead is OK because you don't live here. Or maybe you don't live here because your kind of thinking doesn't add up to the kind of success that lets you live in a competitive place like NYC.
I note that my NY tax dollars probably subsidize your state expenditures quite a bit. Probably starting from when your grandpappy killed all those indians for his free land, using plain old mules.
I'm glad you're satisfied with the status quo. I note that Osama is satisfied, too.
According to the USGS, even if the only ice to melt is Greenland's and the West Antarctic sheet, that's 14.61m. You can do the math, but 48 feet is over 37% larger than the 35' estimate I gave.
The angle of the shallows of the seas are close enough to vertical, compared to their huge area, that practically none of the rise is absorbed by them. In fact, the higher tides and more frequent inundating storms from the warmer, wetter, more chaotic atmosphere will see the sea's area increase even more, as the water gets spread around kineticly.
The sad truth is that there is very little mitigation of the damage from all that land ice melting into the seas. Another factor is the collapse of the ThermoHaline Current that keeps Europe inhabitable, due to dilution by fresh water. We're looking at Florida below its narrowest width sinking, along with all but mountaintops in the Caribbean, Pacific and Indian Oceans. Manhattan Island would be partly below the combined Hudson, Harlem and East rivers, if we weren't planning to dam it at the harbor (inside secret).
I know it's so scary a prospect, especially with worse news every few months, that the mind reels. But that doesn't justify the rush to deny it any way that seems convenient. We're staring into the abyss, and it looks like us. We can probably survive, even thrive, if we come to grips now, before it's too late. Help turn the ship around.
You start off with weasel words turning my statement "don't believe everything you hear" into "don't believe anything you hear".
So stick it up your ass. If you're not going to even pretend to make sense, I'm not going to pretend to understand you. You've got no "debate", you've got kindergarden denial.
I understand the issue, I understand you. I happily oppress you, in the miniscule way offered by this post. You deserve much worse. And you'd get it if your nonsensical gibberish was any weight against the facts pouring in, like the story we're discussing. So stop whining.
The Crichton book? The science fiction Republican? I see your Crichton, and raise you _The Day After Tomorrow_.
I didn't say the world would end tomorrow. And I'm not panicking or shouting in your ear - neither is anyone else, I bet. I'm just destroying unsupportable, irresponsible denial. So, since you're being fairly responsible, I don't know why you're buying into all that hyperbole as a strawman to "balance" the clear reasons that deserve your sensible actions.
George Bush, who "couldn't anticipate" the New Orleans levees could break after Katrina, because "some weatherman" told him it was a grave concern the day before, is that you?
Anonymous jerkoff Coward. Thes retarded denials from you morons are too tired to bother taking seriously.
When 2 billion people migrate to places that can't support them, either, that's pretty bad.
Just because you've always been moved gently by your mommy and daddy, Anonymous baby Coward, doesn't mean your world won't end. In fact, with your totally inane sense of reality, you're certainly one of those who won't survive. Not much of a silver lining for me, but compensation enough for seeing your gibberish once.
You just read that ice is increasing. Where? I once heard that I shouldn't believe everything I hear or read. I looked into it, and it has turned out to be true.
There's lots of people going around lying about the Greenhouse we're making. Many are just paid to lie by fuel corporations with a vested interest in denying their pollution's real consequences. Many more lie just because they started out being wrong, and have gotten in too deep to stop now.
Most climate experts agree that the climate is becoming more chaotic, with pollution making it worse.
So let's see your ice increase numbers. Maybe it's not too late for you to stop helping us along our way to self-destruction.
Our climate records go back hundreds of thousands of years, in icecores and other samples.
So you're talking out of your ass. You're quoting Greenhouse denial nonsense. Personally I'm just a little annoyed that the adults are saving your worthless ass while we cope with the climate catastrophe underway. But if I can get you to stop braying like a FoxNews mule, it will at least make our jobs just a little easier.
Your deranged rant about having babies isn't that interesting. But your basic point about your insignificance is.
Please post your bank acc't# and PIN. Then kill yourself. I'll gladly breathe the oxygen you're not using, and appreciate the tiny little bit of quiet you leave behind.
It is going to continue getting hotter. Everything making it hotter is continuing to operate, nothing is stopping. The last 5 years are among the hottest in human history. The ice is melting faster than before, faster than predicted. The melt accelerates further melting. When the West Antarctic Ice Sheet and Greenland have melted, the seas will be 35' higher, which will be the end of the world for the majority of humans, who live near the coasts or will be invaded by the displaced people fleeing the rising seas.
You're insisting on denial of the catastrophe because you made up your mind before the situation was so obviously bad. You were wrong then, you're wrong now. The least you could do is drop the denial, because that's the main obstacle to people working together to lower the risk that the end of the world is coming.
Regardless of whether you want to admit that humans caused the warming, the fact is that our actions could slow or halt it before it destroys us.
I guess that for TrollMods, my answers about Mideastern-originated tech innovations are just a pretext for anonymous TrollMod supremacism. Probably an Israel fetishist.
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There's still a lot of momentum in the warming system. But scientists are still saying we've got about 10 years until the tipping point, as far as they can tell. We have no reason to think that cutting emissions will make the Greenhouse worse, every reason to think more emissions will make it worse. Until we know it's too late, we should play it safe. Instead, we're pumping more than ever (by "we" I mean BushCo and some smaller players).
Europe and Japan have a big share of the rich and powerful, and they at least work under the Kyoto Treaty. Now they have to do twice as much to make up for the suicidal Americans, and the Canadians, Arabs, Venezuelans and Africans who love them.
"should we put all funding to that one endevour"
That's the strawman invoked by cowards who want to prioritize anything but actually catching the guy who attacked NYC. Talk all you want about how hard it is to catch Osama, to dismantle the Qaeda, but that's priority #1. What we do with him to use him to our advantage is fortunately up to people more imaginative than you, who just accepts that he's won and we should give up.
Maybe your "richest state" is Connecticut, maybe it's California, maybe it's New Jersey. NJ and CT are heavily subsidized by NYC, where those people come every day to make their money, but don't pay taxes for the services they consume. If you're talking about California, it's "richest" only by total income, with by far the largest population. A state relentlessly subsidized by the Federal government, therefore NYC, since its inception.
Osama is in Beverly Hills, at Jack Abramoff's villa.
Hijacking the war on the Afghani Taliban to invade Iraq was the worst political con job, the stupidest strategic boondoggle in American history.
On top of everything else, we squandered our one chance to invade a "nonobvious" country: Pakistan, when the Taliban retreated back to their country of origin, under protection of the Pakistani secret police (ISI). Who just happened to be supplying Iraq, N. Korea and Iran with nuclear weapons. Shipped through Dubai. And invading India with terrorists. See the connections? If Bush had done what was necessary after the Qaeda planebombings, he'd have actually been making Pakistan choose between "going straight" or war with the US. Instead, he took us to war with all the other guys. And now we're totally screwed, at least twice over.
Of course those are the reasons given. They're good reasons. The "therefore we invade Iraq" is the product of the non sequitur department over at BushCo.
To be more precise I want to save my world from coming to an end. Saving all the fools who won't help save themselves is just part of the necessary cost. But there's no reason I have to suffer those fools gladly. Cynical sarcasm is one of the ways I cut through the Greenhouse denial early. They go hand in hand. I switch from being nice to being nasty on input from trolls, jerks and insufferable fools. Why does self-preservation have to be nice all the time, especially when it often doesn't work?
It's not an assumption. The scientific consensus is that changing human activity, like reducing CO2 emissions, would reduce the current warming. It's more like "not stoking the engine with as much coal as it can hold".
You can't even post under a Slashdot username, you make some ridiculous argument that reducing pollution equals doing absolutely nothing, and I should trust you to do your part?
You smelly hippie, your increased, though brief, pollution contribution from setting yourself on fire would be well worth the end of your idiotic prattle.
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"The facts are clearly biased against George Bush" - The Daily Show (paraphrase)
I jest, but all that beverage ice was made by pumping Greenhouse gases into the air, melting more natural ice than artificial ice was created.
Score one for the Greenhouse.
So? It's the human environment I care about. The Earth can take care of itself - as it clearly is now, by accommodating humanity's headlong, nearly-heedless race towards self-destruction.
His point is specious, and sure to be rejiggered no matter what facts hassle it.
You too are insisting on some other argument. Like I said, it's not important whether you agree that humans caused the current climate change. What's important is the evidence that stopping our pollution will slow or stop the trend.
So, since you've used up your chance at respect with your little trick strawman, you can take some advice. Don't piss off my little friends. Because they're coming to get you - much faster than the seas will drown you.
I don't see you whining about "indirect measurements" to save the "endangered blue iguana" in your .sig.
I don't debate people who start off only pretending to debate me. My points are already made, so it's just candy for me to settle down to some justified namecalling. If that's your excuse for ignoring my valid arguments, that's your problem. Which you're drowning in.
Getting Osama offers other benefits:
- Discourage followers by exposing his myth to reality
- Discourage new leaders by punishing him
- Discourage other threats by showing attacking the US has consequences
- Extracting info from Osama to help destroy the rest of his network
The robodonkey can wait.
Maybe it's because I live in NYC, where I'm from, and get to look at where the WTC used to be most days, that I actually care about getting the guy who did it. Maybe you think letting him go to work on a science project instead is OK because you don't live here. Or maybe you don't live here because your kind of thinking doesn't add up to the kind of success that lets you live in a competitive place like NYC.
I note that my NY tax dollars probably subsidize your state expenditures quite a bit. Probably starting from when your grandpappy killed all those indians for his free land, using plain old mules.
I'm glad you're satisfied with the status quo. I note that Osama is satisfied, too.
According to the USGS, even if the only ice to melt is Greenland's and the West Antarctic sheet, that's 14.61m. You can do the math, but 48 feet is over 37% larger than the 35' estimate I gave.
The angle of the shallows of the seas are close enough to vertical, compared to their huge area, that practically none of the rise is absorbed by them. In fact, the higher tides and more frequent inundating storms from the warmer, wetter, more chaotic atmosphere will see the sea's area increase even more, as the water gets spread around kineticly.
The sad truth is that there is very little mitigation of the damage from all that land ice melting into the seas. Another factor is the collapse of the ThermoHaline Current that keeps Europe inhabitable, due to dilution by fresh water. We're looking at Florida below its narrowest width sinking, along with all but mountaintops in the Caribbean, Pacific and Indian Oceans. Manhattan Island would be partly below the combined Hudson, Harlem and East rivers, if we weren't planning to dam it at the harbor (inside secret).
I know it's so scary a prospect, especially with worse news every few months, that the mind reels. But that doesn't justify the rush to deny it any way that seems convenient. We're staring into the abyss, and it looks like us. We can probably survive, even thrive, if we come to grips now, before it's too late. Help turn the ship around.
You start off with weasel words turning my statement "don't believe everything you hear" into "don't believe anything you hear".
So stick it up your ass. If you're not going to even pretend to make sense, I'm not going to pretend to understand you. You've got no "debate", you've got kindergarden denial.
I understand the issue, I understand you. I happily oppress you, in the miniscule way offered by this post. You deserve much worse. And you'd get it if your nonsensical gibberish was any weight against the facts pouring in, like the story we're discussing. So stop whining.
The Crichton book? The science fiction Republican? I see your Crichton, and raise you _The Day After Tomorrow_.
I didn't say the world would end tomorrow. And I'm not panicking or shouting in your ear - neither is anyone else, I bet. I'm just destroying unsupportable, irresponsible denial. So, since you're being fairly responsible, I don't know why you're buying into all that hyperbole as a strawman to "balance" the clear reasons that deserve your sensible actions.
George Bush, who "couldn't anticipate" the New Orleans levees could break after Katrina, because "some weatherman" told him it was a grave concern the day before, is that you?
Anonymous jerkoff Coward. Thes retarded denials from you morons are too tired to bother taking seriously.
Nice robodonkey.
WHERE'S OSAMA?
When 2 billion people migrate to places that can't support them, either, that's pretty bad.
Just because you've always been moved gently by your mommy and daddy, Anonymous baby Coward, doesn't mean your world won't end. In fact, with your totally inane sense of reality, you're certainly one of those who won't survive. Not much of a silver lining for me, but compensation enough for seeing your gibberish once.
You just read that ice is increasing. Where? I once heard that I shouldn't believe everything I hear or read. I looked into it, and it has turned out to be true.
There's lots of people going around lying about the Greenhouse we're making. Many are just paid to lie by fuel corporations with a vested interest in denying their pollution's real consequences. Many more lie just because they started out being wrong, and have gotten in too deep to stop now.
Most climate experts agree that the climate is becoming more chaotic, with pollution making it worse.
So let's see your ice increase numbers. Maybe it's not too late for you to stop helping us along our way to self-destruction.
Our climate records go back hundreds of thousands of years, in icecores and other samples.
So you're talking out of your ass. You're quoting Greenhouse denial nonsense. Personally I'm just a little annoyed that the adults are saving your worthless ass while we cope with the climate catastrophe underway. But if I can get you to stop braying like a FoxNews mule, it will at least make our jobs just a little easier.
Your deranged rant about having babies isn't that interesting. But your basic point about your insignificance is.
Please post your bank acc't# and PIN. Then kill yourself. I'll gladly breathe the oxygen you're not using, and appreciate the tiny little bit of quiet you leave behind.
It is going to continue getting hotter. Everything making it hotter is continuing to operate, nothing is stopping. The last 5 years are among the hottest in human history. The ice is melting faster than before, faster than predicted. The melt accelerates further melting. When the West Antarctic Ice Sheet and Greenland have melted, the seas will be 35' higher, which will be the end of the world for the majority of humans, who live near the coasts or will be invaded by the displaced people fleeing the rising seas.
You're insisting on denial of the catastrophe because you made up your mind before the situation was so obviously bad. You were wrong then, you're wrong now. The least you could do is drop the denial, because that's the main obstacle to people working together to lower the risk that the end of the world is coming.
Regardless of whether you want to admit that humans caused the warming, the fact is that our actions could slow or halt it before it destroys us.
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I guess that for TrollMods, my answers about Mideastern-originated tech innovations are just a pretext for anonymous TrollMod supremacism. Probably an Israel fetishist.
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I clarify the post the other poster took too personally, and correct their errors. So an anonymous SlashStalker mods me down. What a loser.