Speaking of FUD. Microsoft has just increased R&D by 8%. They've delayed Longhorn so that they have time to make a better product. Win2K3 is a huge leep from 2K server, and may be able to compete with Linux on security (only time will tell).
MS is not a perfect company, and they have some questionable business tactics at times, but they also have some of the brightest minds working for them.
What Gates and people of his mindset continue to miss (or ignore) is the fact that 90% of software developers work on code that is never sold.
If this is a fact (and it's spewed on/. every time this type of discussion comes up) could someone please site resources supporting this "fact"? It's not that I don't believe you (it makes sense) but let's keep to the facts instead of "I would guess that"'s.
Last time I checked, it's not illegal for two programs to do the same thing
Unless there's a patent against it. Although I'm against software patents (specifically patents on code), I am however for process (business or otherwise), algorithm, and design patents. If MS patented some non-obvious functionality in it's software, regardless of how you implement that functionality it's infringing on their IP if it's patented.
Wouldn't Apple then be able to claim that the Windows GUI is their IP
No, they are completly different from both a functional and design standpoint. I laugh when people say that the XP GUI copies Apple's. Besides the fact that I personally saw XP screenshots well before OS X was released, I can't imagine anyone who has actually used both GUI's could make that claim because their functionality is so different.
I get the idea those batteries and their narrow wheelbase would go right under the SUV, leaving me with the SUV trailer hitch right in my mouth.
Actually, in this case the small form factor combined with a ridged roll cage make this a benefit. Sure, the SUV could nock you over, but it could also roll right over you without breaching the vehicle.
Distributing MS's software is a very small part of the scope of this conversation - actually it's quite irrelevant. The Gartner report has to do with Enterprises adopting Linux, not software development companies selling Linux based products.
There is no more farther reaching affect than to have the Federal Gov't sue you
Let's say the DOJ settlement was as severe as the most pessimistic analyst predicted (large fines, splitting of companies, etc.). Windows would still be around, there'd still be a multibillion dollar corporation backing it, and you as a customer would never be liable for anything. The SCO case against IBM is not the point, it's SCO's threats to broaden the case to anyone who's using their code. That could, in theory, mean the very linux server hosting my email (albeit not likely). Practically speaking, it could mean that distribution that you just signed a huge support contract with. Sure, if RH goes under, there's always Mandrake (etc. etc.), but can Mandrake manage my enterprise support contract? And can they take the heat from SCO?
So, yes it's true that SCO's lawsuit may be a joke, but until it's proven to court it's legit to be a bit weary to adopt Linux as a new technology.
There are things I like about Perl, and on rare occasion I still like kicking out Perl scripts for text processing and the like. Heck, even Microsoft used Perl extensively for all of it's Build and Unit Testing for their shared source implementation of.NET.
However, for a software application (and this includes web applications) I've contended that scripts suck. This definitely includes Perl. I don't care what Yahoo or Google is doing with Python or PHP, and I don't want to get into those particular case studies as it will open up a can of worms and it deviates from my argument. When you say that you spend a lot of time messing with Java class libraries trying to lookup which API to use for a certain function, I have to ask, "what IDE doesn't practically type that for you?". Okay, so you're using emacs. Well, than go back to Perl, and try to remember which of the 1,000's of Perl modules you need to load, or worse, just reinvent the wheel.
The benefit of Java, C#, etc. is that you are almost as high a level as a scripting language, but you have most all the power and structure to allow you to write scaleable software applications. Compilation is trivial and can be JIT'd like Perl, and strong typing is actually a good thing that speeds up development, contrary to popular belief.
I mean really, have you _SEEN_ slashcode? Perl and other scripting languages have their place, but not for applications.
No, because none of the lawsuits against MS threaten to legally damage the customer. Until Redhat takes responsibility for the software I buy from it (which is not Linux, since Linux is just a part of the distribution), certain lawsuits have a farther reaching affect against Linux than they would against Windows.
I hate CD's, and stopped buything them years ago, and it has nothing to do w/ the RIAA (I don't like most of the music put out by their members anyway). My main problem with CD's is clutter. I hate clutter. I hate having a car full of CD's and digging through them to find the song I want. I don't like listening to albums - I like things mixed up. CD changers provide this to a point but they are cumbersom and most have a significant gap between songs when switching between CD's. CD Players are too big, esp. portable ones. An iPod is about as big of a device as I would go.
And your investment is far safer w/digital music than w/CD's. I've lost many CD's due to scratches, accidental mishaps (stepping on them like an idiot - it happens to the best of us), and misplacement. With digital music, you generally have at least 2 copies of the music (one on your computer, and one on your iPod), and with proper care you should never lose your music.
With the CD it really is "CD quality."
The AAC's are supposedly higher quality than CD's (I personally haven't reviewed them yet... still debating on whethor or not I'm getting a mac). The WMA's I've heard sound great to me, and that's on studio grade powered monitors (Event 20/20bas). In my car it'd be impossible to tell the difference. As far as mp3's, I prefer a variable bit rate that goes higher than 128k when needed. With the proper encoder one can probably attain better-than-CD results if thet source was of higher quality.
The first thing I did w/my PCG-FR130 was blow the installation and install my own copy of WinXP Pro. No problems at all, other than the fact that there was no way to load all of the software that came with the laptop as it detected that it wasn't an "official install".
Airlines are common carriers. They are therefore regulated and justly so. I can't say, "All blacks to the back of the Plane - it's my business". There are rules. The "suspected terrorist" button is quite appropriate, because it's true for every person sitting on that plane. What's the difference between that and wearing the same button in a taxicab?
Just because you're on someone elses private property doesn't mean that certain rights go out the window. I'd hate for my landlord to have the legal power to place camera's in her house - the house in which I live.
Although I strongly concur regarding the seperation of logical tiers, I still welcome C# stored procs. I aknowledge the fact that this tempts less experienced developers to put business or application logic in the stored proc, but that doesn't take away the fact that using SQL for certain operations just plain sucks. Having the proper string handling and control flow logic that C# has will be welcome for larger stored proc's. This is why Oracle introduced Java Stored Procedures. Everything that should be done on the DB can't alwaysbe done with SQL and must be done in the application which can require unncessesary round-trips.
The point is the poster is asking if.NET scales. Not for a "utopian OSS is free use it always" response. Sure, there's MySQL, PostregSQL, and now SAPDB.org, but none of those come with free support, nor free dev's. Maybe the client he works for A) already has the SQL licenses and B) has developers who are familiar with MS SQL. If it takes a week or two for the DBA to learn the ropes of the new system you've easily paid for MS SQL.
The point is that everyone's situation is unique, and in this persons it seems fit for them to run MSSQL and.NET on Win2k Server. So, the question is, can we in the community provide any anecdotes regarding our experiences with.NET scalability, not spout off about technology decisions w/o understanding the bigger picture.
Nothing is wrong with the sentence in question. Think about it. You pay 25cents to use the restroom. The Bum uses the restroom. They've gotten what they've paid 25cents worth. But, because they're in the room they can stay their for the night for no additional cost (==free).
Does anyone know of companies planning on building processors without DRM?
Most all of them. AFAIK you will still be able to install Linux on a "secure" Dell in the future. Also, when it comes to Windows, all of the DRM features can be disabled. The caveot? You can't access DRM media. For those of us who won't buy DRM'd media, it's Windows as usual.
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Damned if you do, damned if you don't. BillG, on is biggest philanthropist of all time - period. First, how dare you judge someone who has what's considered the one of the best charities in the world. I don't care how much you hate Windows, or MS, you have to be (excuse the language) one arrogant prick to hold your point of view. Yes, his charity has investments. Guess what, that's what smart charities do. If BillG got sued for all the money he's worth, that charity will be in business indefinitely without any additional income, while still being able to donate on a regular basis to different causes. And although the charity has donated computers with Windows, it's larger focus is on AIDS research and the like.
If Bill G's assets are (let's just say) increasing by $1 billion per year, giving away $10,000,000 is only 1% going to charity.
Gates donates over $1B a year. That's a lot more than 30% of his income - the max amount that the IRS allows him to deduct (it's usually 50%) because of his involvement in his own charities.
In cryptography we have algorithms termed "one-way hashes". What this means is that the information is not reverseable. As inconvenient and stupid as XP activiation is, all that get's sent to MS is a non-unique hash of basic hardware. The IP in which you activated (unless you activated via telephone) is not a part of this hash, nor is it ever recorded by MS.
Please refrain from future attempts at dictating to me what I can and can't do with software and hardware I purchased.
Again, I wish XP didn't have activation, but let's be reasonable. It's illegal to buy one copy of XP and put it on 3 machines. Use FreeBSD or Linux if you don't want to pay for an OS.
Friedl had an example of a huge, horrible (but efficient) regex to parse mail headers in the first edition
And I'm pissed that it's NOT in the second edition (at least it couldn't easily be found). I was trying to impress this chick at B&N the other day by showing her how I understood that longass expression and low-and-behold, the back page where it's SUPPOSED to be is filled with a 3 line regex - not very impressive after you've made a huge deal about a full-page regex. Fortunately it all worked out since I had the original at home, and I was like "well, you'll just have to come over to MY place to check out the big regex".;-)
java was created to be a write once, run anywhere solution. because of corporate politics and competition, it just doesn't pull it off.
Thank you for articulating this. I don't have a whole lot of experience with Java (I'm a C# guy myself), but it seems that most every experience that I've had with Java is not cross platform. I've had applet's work on Windows and break on Mac's, Servlet's with proprietary code that only works with a certain "App Server" (eg: JRun), or VM problems as you mentioned. Java is hardly more write once than C# - esp. since I've gotten a lot of my C# to compile flawlessly on Linux (Mono). Furthermore, if you ignore Microsoft's proprietary "windows forms" implementation in.NET, and go with GTK#, you have almost the same cross-platform advantage (the obvious advantage to Java being it's cross-platform maturity). And if you really care about being open, you can write Perl/Tk and get just as much - if not better - cross platform support as Java.
When I mention VS.NET everyone, and I mean every java developer mentions Eclipse. I've used it, and I think it is a very good IDE, and it's probably the fastest pure java app that I've ever used on the desktop. This being said, I think that VS.NET has an edge Eclipse - and I hated Visual Studio 6.
You're only right if MS distributed the code (which is what the GPL covers). However, I explictely mentioned internal use. For example, if MS used a modified version of CVS for it's source control, it would not have to give those modifications back to the community. Most importantly, they could have reaped all of the benefits of the work putting into CVS which could have saved them thousands of dollars.
so my one recompense is knowing that some jerks can't steal my hours of labor
Well then you better reevaluate why you work for free - even if it's a hobby. Hypothetically speaking, Microsoft could very well be making money off of your labor. They could use your program, modify it for their own internal use, and never give anything for it while they reap the benefits of your software.
By pricing their computers as they do, the low end box costing roughly two thousand dollars, Apple are most definitely nicheing themselves.
No, this means that Apple does not cator to the super-lowend niche. Apple offers a $799 desktop, and a $999 laptop.
Apple is not like the expensive niched cars. Bently's and Ferrari's have a niche market. BMW and Audi's do not - even though they have higher-end products. Apple is more accurately compared to the latter.
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Speaking of FUD. Microsoft has just increased R&D by 8%. They've delayed Longhorn so that they have time to make a better product. Win2K3 is a huge leep from 2K server, and may be able to compete with Linux on security (only time will tell).
MS is not a perfect company, and they have some questionable business tactics at times, but they also have some of the brightest minds working for them.
What Gates and people of his mindset continue to miss (or ignore) is the fact that 90% of software developers work on code that is never sold.
/. every time this type of discussion comes up) could someone please site resources supporting this "fact"? It's not that I don't believe you (it makes sense) but let's keep to the facts instead of "I would guess that"'s.
If this is a fact (and it's spewed on
Last time I checked, it's not illegal for two programs to do the same thing
Unless there's a patent against it. Although I'm against software patents (specifically patents on code), I am however for process (business or otherwise), algorithm, and design patents. If MS patented some non-obvious functionality in it's software, regardless of how you implement that functionality it's infringing on their IP if it's patented.
Wouldn't Apple then be able to claim that the Windows GUI is their IP
No, they are completly different from both a functional and design standpoint. I laugh when people say that the XP GUI copies Apple's. Besides the fact that I personally saw XP screenshots well before OS X was released, I can't imagine anyone who has actually used both GUI's could make that claim because their functionality is so different.
I get the idea those batteries and their narrow wheelbase would go right under the SUV, leaving me with the SUV trailer hitch right in my mouth.
Actually, in this case the small form factor combined with a ridged roll cage make this a benefit. Sure, the SUV could nock you over, but it could also roll right over you without breaching the vehicle.
Distributing MS's software is a very small part of the scope of this conversation - actually it's quite irrelevant. The Gartner report has to do with Enterprises adopting Linux, not software development companies selling Linux based products.
There is no more farther reaching affect than to have the Federal Gov't sue you
Let's say the DOJ settlement was as severe as the most pessimistic analyst predicted (large fines, splitting of companies, etc.). Windows would still be around, there'd still be a multibillion dollar corporation backing it, and you as a customer would never be liable for anything. The SCO case against IBM is not the point, it's SCO's threats to broaden the case to anyone who's using their code. That could, in theory, mean the very linux server hosting my email (albeit not likely). Practically speaking, it could mean that distribution that you just signed a huge support contract with. Sure, if RH goes under, there's always Mandrake (etc. etc.), but can Mandrake manage my enterprise support contract? And can they take the heat from SCO?
So, yes it's true that SCO's lawsuit may be a joke, but until it's proven to court it's legit to be a bit weary to adopt Linux as a new technology.
There are things I like about Perl, and on rare occasion I still like kicking out Perl scripts for text processing and the like. Heck, even Microsoft used Perl extensively for all of it's Build and Unit Testing for their shared source implementation of .NET.
However, for a software application (and this includes web applications) I've contended that scripts suck. This definitely includes Perl. I don't care what Yahoo or Google is doing with Python or PHP, and I don't want to get into those particular case studies as it will open up a can of worms and it deviates from my argument. When you say that you spend a lot of time messing with Java class libraries trying to lookup which API to use for a certain function, I have to ask, "what IDE doesn't practically type that for you?". Okay, so you're using emacs. Well, than go back to Perl, and try to remember which of the 1,000's of Perl modules you need to load, or worse, just reinvent the wheel.
The benefit of Java, C#, etc. is that you are almost as high a level as a scripting language, but you have most all the power and structure to allow you to write scaleable software applications. Compilation is trivial and can be JIT'd like Perl, and strong typing is actually a good thing that speeds up development, contrary to popular belief.
I mean really, have you _SEEN_ slashcode? Perl and other scripting languages have their place, but not for applications.
Did Gartner issue the same warning then?
No, because none of the lawsuits against MS threaten to legally damage the customer. Until Redhat takes responsibility for the software I buy from it (which is not Linux, since Linux is just a part of the distribution), certain lawsuits have a farther reaching affect against Linux than they would against Windows.
Why... oh why are you doing this manually?
I hate CD's, and stopped buything them years ago, and it has nothing to do w/ the RIAA (I don't like most of the music put out by their members anyway). My main problem with CD's is clutter. I hate clutter. I hate having a car full of CD's and digging through them to find the song I want. I don't like listening to albums - I like things mixed up. CD changers provide this to a point but they are cumbersom and most have a significant gap between songs when switching between CD's. CD Players are too big, esp. portable ones. An iPod is about as big of a device as I would go.
And your investment is far safer w/digital music than w/CD's. I've lost many CD's due to scratches, accidental mishaps (stepping on them like an idiot - it happens to the best of us), and misplacement. With digital music, you generally have at least 2 copies of the music (one on your computer, and one on your iPod), and with proper care you should never lose your music.
With the CD it really is "CD quality."
The AAC's are supposedly higher quality than CD's (I personally haven't reviewed them yet... still debating on whethor or not I'm getting a mac). The WMA's I've heard sound great to me, and that's on studio grade powered monitors (Event 20/20bas). In my car it'd be impossible to tell the difference. As far as mp3's, I prefer a variable bit rate that goes higher than 128k when needed. With the proper encoder one can probably attain better-than-CD results if thet source was of higher quality.
The first thing I did w/my PCG-FR130 was blow the installation and install my own copy of WinXP Pro. No problems at all, other than the fact that there was no way to load all of the software that came with the laptop as it detected that it wasn't an "official install".
Airlines are common carriers. They are therefore regulated and justly so. I can't say, "All blacks to the back of the Plane - it's my business". There are rules. The "suspected terrorist" button is quite appropriate, because it's true for every person sitting on that plane. What's the difference between that and wearing the same button in a taxicab?
Just because you're on someone elses private property doesn't mean that certain rights go out the window. I'd hate for my landlord to have the legal power to place camera's in her house - the house in which I live.
Although I strongly concur regarding the seperation of logical tiers, I still welcome C# stored procs. I aknowledge the fact that this tempts less experienced developers to put business or application logic in the stored proc, but that doesn't take away the fact that using SQL for certain operations just plain sucks. Having the proper string handling and control flow logic that C# has will be welcome for larger stored proc's. This is why Oracle introduced Java Stored Procedures. Everything that should be done on the DB can't alwaysbe done with SQL and must be done in the application which can require unncessesary round-trips.
The point is the poster is asking if .NET scales. Not for a "utopian OSS is free use it always" response. Sure, there's MySQL, PostregSQL, and now SAPDB.org, but none of those come with free support, nor free dev's. Maybe the client he works for A) already has the SQL licenses and B) has developers who are familiar with MS SQL. If it takes a week or two for the DBA to learn the ropes of the new system you've easily paid for MS SQL.
.NET on Win2k Server. So, the question is, can we in the community provide any anecdotes regarding our experiences with .NET scalability, not spout off about technology decisions w/o understanding the bigger picture.
The point is that everyone's situation is unique, and in this persons it seems fit for them to run MSSQL and
Nothing is wrong with the sentence in question. Think about it. You pay 25cents to use the restroom. The Bum uses the restroom. They've gotten what they've paid 25cents worth. But, because they're in the room they can stay their for the night for no additional cost (==free).
Does anyone know of companies planning on building processors without DRM?
Most all of them. AFAIK you will still be able to install Linux on a "secure" Dell in the future. Also, when it comes to Windows, all of the DRM features can be disabled. The caveot? You can't access DRM media. For those of us who won't buy DRM'd media, it's Windows as usual.
Damned if you do, damned if you don't. BillG, on is biggest philanthropist of all time - period. First, how dare you judge someone who has what's considered the one of the best charities in the world. I don't care how much you hate Windows, or MS, you have to be (excuse the language) one arrogant prick to hold your point of view. Yes, his charity has investments. Guess what, that's what smart charities do. If BillG got sued for all the money he's worth, that charity will be in business indefinitely without any additional income, while still being able to donate on a regular basis to different causes. And although the charity has donated computers with Windows, it's larger focus is on AIDS research and the like.
If Bill G's assets are (let's just say) increasing by $1 billion per year, giving away $10,000,000 is only 1% going to charity.
Gates donates over $1B a year. That's a lot more than 30% of his income - the max amount that the IRS allows him to deduct (it's usually 50%) because of his involvement in his own charities.
Dear Mr. Uninformed,
In cryptography we have algorithms termed "one-way hashes". What this means is that the information is not reverseable. As inconvenient and stupid as XP activiation is, all that get's sent to MS is a non-unique hash of basic hardware. The IP in which you activated (unless you activated via telephone) is not a part of this hash, nor is it ever recorded by MS.
Please refrain from future attempts at dictating to me what I can and can't do with software and hardware I purchased.
Again, I wish XP didn't have activation, but let's be reasonable. It's illegal to buy one copy of XP and put it on 3 machines. Use FreeBSD or Linux if you don't want to pay for an OS.
Friedl had an example of a huge, horrible (but efficient) regex to parse mail headers in the first edition
;-)
And I'm pissed that it's NOT in the second edition (at least it couldn't easily be found). I was trying to impress this chick at B&N the other day by showing her how I understood that longass expression and low-and-behold, the back page where it's SUPPOSED to be is filled with a 3 line regex - not very impressive after you've made a huge deal about a full-page regex. Fortunately it all worked out since I had the original at home, and I was like "well, you'll just have to come over to MY place to check out the big regex".
java was created to be a write once, run anywhere solution. because of corporate politics and competition, it just doesn't pull it off.
.NET, and go with GTK#, you have almost the same cross-platform advantage (the obvious advantage to Java being it's cross-platform maturity). And if you really care about being open, you can write Perl/Tk and get just as much - if not better - cross platform support as Java.
Thank you for articulating this. I don't have a whole lot of experience with Java (I'm a C# guy myself), but it seems that most every experience that I've had with Java is not cross platform. I've had applet's work on Windows and break on Mac's, Servlet's with proprietary code that only works with a certain "App Server" (eg: JRun), or VM problems as you mentioned. Java is hardly more write once than C# - esp. since I've gotten a lot of my C# to compile flawlessly on Linux (Mono). Furthermore, if you ignore Microsoft's proprietary "windows forms" implementation in
When I mention VS.NET everyone, and I mean every java developer mentions Eclipse. I've used it, and I think it is a very good IDE, and it's probably the fastest pure java app that I've ever used on the desktop. This being said, I think that VS.NET has an edge Eclipse - and I hated Visual Studio 6.
You're only right if MS distributed the code (which is what the GPL covers). However, I explictely mentioned internal use. For example, if MS used a modified version of CVS for it's source control, it would not have to give those modifications back to the community. Most importantly, they could have reaped all of the benefits of the work putting into CVS which could have saved them thousands of dollars.
so my one recompense is knowing that some jerks can't steal my hours of labor
Well then you better reevaluate why you work for free - even if it's a hobby. Hypothetically speaking, Microsoft could very well be making money off of your labor. They could use your program, modify it for their own internal use, and never give anything for it while they reap the benefits of your software.
By pricing their computers as they do, the low end box costing roughly two thousand dollars, Apple are most definitely nicheing themselves.
No, this means that Apple does not cator to the super-lowend niche. Apple offers a $799 desktop, and a $999 laptop.
Apple is not like the expensive niched cars. Bently's and Ferrari's have a niche market. BMW and Audi's do not - even though they have higher-end products. Apple is more accurately compared to the latter.