Huh? Good for you that you're grown up. If you don't plan on paying for it, then I really doubt you are 'grown up', despite being 30, 40, 50, 60, or 70. What, you don't believe in personal worth, responsibility, effort, time, and recompense? Aren't these all the issues that we'r dealing with?
John Carmack and Co's personal worth and effort and time are placed in a product. You, if you have your own sense of worth, have money and a job, otherwise you probabaly wouldn't be online and posting at/. Rather than spending your own time, energy, and effort coding what will be Q3:Arena, you come to the conclusion; I'll give them this money to do it for me. If I don't give them the money, they won't do it for me. This way, for only 50$ and maybe a couple hours of work, I get a kick-ass game that they have spent 6 people for almost a year working at.
Of course, if you aren't worth anything, I can see how it would be difficult to see anyone else, like John Carmack and Co, being worth anything either. So, being worthless, you would imagine their time, effort, and energy is also worth as much, and their game, and thus free for you to take.
Of course, I could be wasting my breath, and you could just be trolling to get a response. It's a shame you're an AC, because I would love to talk to you. And I promise not to kill you, as long as we stay civil. Isn't that fair?
If I own 3 PCs, if I am not mistaken, I can run my copy of WinNT on only one at a time, right? Is that what you're saying? That's what I'm saying.
However, the analogy with Q3 would be: I have WinNT installed on all three computers, but I only ever turn on one at any time. Period. Thats it. So no more than one copy of WinNT is in use or is operational at any time.
What, are you saying it is illegal to run Q3:Arena on 3 different computers? Would it satisfy you if I uninstalled each time I moved from a computer to another? This is a technical point, because as soon as I move back to another PC I would uninstall the current copy and install it on the other... For that effort, why not just leave it on all PCs and just be sure to never play more than one copy at a time?
Then how to deal with my dual-boot NT/Linux machine? Should I have 2 copies for one machine? 2 copies for 2 OSes? How would you feel if I downloaded the Win32 binaries from Id's own site, ala Q3:Arena Demo, installed it, then copied the data from the Linux CD onto my Windows partition? I still only play it on 1 machine, and only on 1 OS at a time; what kind of violations would I be accused of?
I dunno; the sheer volume of repeat customers must mean some people are satisfied. I am =)
You have to discount mistakes; it could just be attributed to a lack or ommision of communication from the different people running/., so that each one could potentially post the same article without realizing the other already had.
Since when did/. become a Linux vehicle, flag, and banner? Linux is certainly interesting, but not the only thing. The source to/. is available; you take it and try to run your own portal/community, and then you try to deal with the volume/lack of and complaints/lack of when you're overworked/bored silly...
I see. Then you submitted it to/., and it took it five weeks for it to go through the process that is CT and gang, before making it here, right?
Odd, considering the Shugashack link only had the article up since Friday, so since it's been up it's only take 24 hours at the most to get through the internal process.
Maybe they lost your submission?
You will submit before me! Bow down! Clean my shoes with your tongue! Sorry, bad mental association =) AS AS
You could nit-pick as much as you want; Harming Id software will also harm any computer vendors which services Id, as well as the isp/backbone providers, as well as the local groceries, car dealerships, automotive parts, restaurants, bookstores, BlockBusters, Coca Cola, pizzerias, and the rest of the state that depends on Id's taxes for some amount of cash.
So in some sense stealing from Id hurts Id, their city, their state, and through IRS, the rest of the country. And that is a sizeable amount of taxes, if Id really did sell over 2,000,000 of Doom, plus all the licenses from Quake, Quake2, and the sales and licenses of Quake3.
So yes, as enemy of the state, the warezboy should be shot.
But I wonder what would happen if they made 2 copies; the Windows Version and the Multi-Boot Version and the Mac Version; the Multi-Boot would have Linux/Windows for those dual-booters and for Linux people, and the Mac version would satisfy those Mac people, and the Windows version would satisfy the Windows people...
It would still get a good count of Linux users because it would indicate Linux OS if the multi-boot version were bought.
What's wrong with complaining? It's the first step before action, right? So after I complained and asked some questions, and got some good answers, I sent of an email to T.Hollenshed @ Id software to ask him about it. I unfortunately need a 'Doze system, but prefer my Linux system. If Id can release a dual-boot version without anyproblems, then I'll be happy! If they can't, I'll choose one or the other and download the executables later...
Stuff the ballots, stack the votes, buy multiple copies of Q3:Arena for Linux!
Well, that could get kind of expensive.
Maybe Q3:Arena and V3 will do for Linux what GLQuake and the original Voodoo did for OpenGL; for MS to work quickly to compete. We may hate them, but they did a halfway decent job with DX6; it took them long enough, however... AS AS
But it is annoying for me, since I do have a Linux and Windows machine in the house for different purposes. I sorta wish I could just pop my copy irregardless of machine in and play.
I'm not sure that's a valid concern; a concern, yes, but valid? That would mean one person with a Linux/Intel box alongside a Windows/Intel box alonside a Mac/PowerPC box... and playing all three games at once to violate any sort of law.
If I own Quake3:Arena, and I did have all three boxes, I don't think there is a legal reason I can't play it on any of the machines I own; I wouldn't need 3 copies, I just couldn't run all three at once. If I owned 3 PCs running Windows, I could play the game on any of the machines I wanted, legally, if I weren't playing them all at once, or allowing others to play with my single copy unless they themselves owned a copy...
Regardless of what Nintendo may say about that, unless Id has in their new multiplatform EULA the stipulation that a Mac CD cannot be used by a Win machine or a Linux CD cannot be used on a Mac or something else like that.
If that were the attitude we all took, because I'm sure we could all find these things eventually, what with the 6 degrees of freedom thing, then Id software would be out of business, and no one, not even you, especially not you, would be able to go and grab it. Understand? As much as you enjoy it, someone has to pay Id software enough for them to release a commercial quality game, and if we don't they'll just go out of business or stop out of frustration, and then I would have to find you and your friends and beat you all up, or at least until I died because of the fact pirates/thieves probably would outnumber me 100:1.
If you were as big a drain on the rest of society as you would be in software piracy circles, would you be really missed if I got pissed and decided to kill you?
I wonder if I need to see a psychiatrist soon? I'm scaring myself right now...
What, you mean there isn't an ISO standard for long file names?
And I thought that Linux could actually deal with whatever format you threw at it, at least more gracefully than Macs or Windows did...
And I actually thought Macs today that would be able to run Q3:Arena also had full Windows compatiblity; Joliet or Romulus or something like that, a long filename ISO variant.
It's sorta non-purist to use the Win32 ISO standard because it is the most prevalent, but I thought that Macs and Linux could handle that version of long filenames...
I assume all the source data and art and such are identical; at least for production costs, I would assume it is simpler to just create 1 CD with 3 or 4 binary executables; They could then release a CD with Linux, Mac, and Windows support out of the box, rather than 3 different boxes. I'm assuming packaging and box art are identical, btw, so the only functional difference would be the CDs. Perhaps they'll use different CD formats? But why bother doing that?
The user won't care either way, but it would mean Linux users would be much better off because they wouldn't have to look for a specific store that stocked Linux games; rather, just look for the Q3:Arena box.
Same for Mac users without access to Mac specific stores...
Is there any real reason to create 3 distros, essentially identical but for their binaries, and perhaps long filename support?
Good for you. I happen to have FFVII for the console, and have played it once through, and never found the time to do it again.
But, like a good book, I can probably play through it at least twice more.
I also own Square's newest RPG, Xenogears, and have played it once through at 86 hours. I will play it at least once more, for probably a good 100 hours in order to see and hear and get everything. I don't play games everyday; it's not my style. But when I do play, I play for hours.
My PPro200 is feeling old and outdated, and needs to be upgraded to play the current batch of FPS like Quake3:Arena. The nice thing about consoles is never the lack of power; games that run on it are more or less designed with that limitation/ability in mind. I'm looking forward to playing FFVIII on the PSX1, and maybe FFVIII in real time on the PSX2(no more prerendered backgrounds and FMV! Well, maybe.)
I acknowledge your preference and choice. I'm just pissed at people who assume I want to play the same games they do and then blatently tell me my decision to get and support consoles is stupid because it doesn't do as much. I don't care that it doesn't do as much; do you begrudge me my toaster because it doesn't do cappacino? I just want my toast dammit! And I want my FFVIII, as well.
I never said it was hard or impossible to emulate; I even explicitly mention the VGS, but I also point out for comparable performance you need to spend much more.
How much more than 100$ can you spend on a PC to get a PlayStation?
I would do it because I want a kick butt PC anyways, but for the millions(50 million or so) who think that is pointless, the console is cheaper and higher quality.
Your VooDoo2 costs about 100 dollars by itself right now. If you got it when the Playstation was first released, for about 250$, the video card of choice would be a VooDoo1 for 240$, and a Pentium 166 for 500$....
Don't tell me that said PC stacks up the the Playstation if gaming is the only utility function we analyze!
Good for you. A real issue that Sony addresses is the fact that they will penetrate more households than PCs.
At least they do right now.
Statistics aside, for pure entertainment, it is undeniable that a decent PC will cost more than a decent console; take today, a PSX1, still a very viable device, is only 100$. What comparable PC exists that can give as much satisfaction?
Assuming the market doesn't change radically and unpredictable, something similar will hold true late next year. You can get a decent PC with kick-ass performance for 1000$(I just made that up. Who can tell what makes a kick-ass PC? Or how much it will cost? I'm assuming though that Intel will charge a price/performance premium on their CPUs and that the equivalent VooDoos of 2k will still be 200$) or a decent console for 400$, max, along with DVD, 3d sound, CD play, game play capability, and enough minor computing ability to function as a web browser, email terminal, and word processor.
The PSX2 will no more be a novelty than the PSX1 today, unless you count playing games a novelty, or watching movies a novelty. Entertainment is its own industry, in its own right, and is very much a part of our life and culture...
I believe you are right when you mention the PSX2 won't be a PC killer, but it will displace some people who don't need the full functionality of a PC when their PSX2 is enough. PCs can be replaced by PSX2 for playing games, watching movies, and browsing the web; but PSX2 cannot be replaced by PCs for the sheer price/performance ration of the above options, unless your utility demands more, like programming, ftp, video compositing, photoshop, multiplayer games, etc..
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You're absolutely correct...
But the PSX1 is a better gaming platform for me than the PC is; the games I want to play, for the most part, exist on the Playstation.
So even if I don't believe all the hype, the PSX2 is something to look forward to if you are already a fan of the PSX1.
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Highly dependent upon the game, I suspect.
I enjoy the Id GL Quake type games under WinNT. I also enjoy the host of LucasArts 2d action/adventure games, as well as my Civ2 and SMAC games...
If I wanted racing, flight sim, or others I would have to resort to a Win9x machine, I guess.
Who wins? There are over 50 million PSXs sold, and likewise a very large library of games right now. Same thing will hold for the PIII and the PSX2; different markets, different capabilities, different strategies.
We go crazy over the PSX2 because the PSX is literally hitting a wall sometime in the future, which should be nicely alleviated by the PSX2. Who cares what Intel does? I doubt they will enter competatively against the PSX2, unless they suddenly decide the gaming market means something to them.
Intel sells CPUs and computers, not games, so they only make profits if games can sell computers.
In the console market games do sell consoles, so Sony makes a profit regardless of whether its by the sale of a console or the sale of a game.
And what's with this TV output thing? They should drop it, considering how old and outdated it is. Since the PSX2 won't be out till next year anyhow, just add support for the new flat panel displays that have been popping up everywhere, and maybe even use HDTV as the default display! Sure there aren't very many HDTVs out yet, and LCD is still expensive, but the release of the PSX2 with HDTV and LCD support will force the consumer market to upgrade to one or the other.
On the other hand, 1394 seems a perfectly good thing. Much cheaper than SCSI, which if you recall Apple also had a hand in inventing/unleashing upon the world. Apple does some good stuff sometimes.
Sorry for the mix'n match sarcasm. Couldn't help myself, was too much fun.
I'll concede that Doom, Quake, Tomb Raider, Unreal, etc came out on PCs before consoles. Flight sims and RTS games are also PC exclusive, but I doubt it really has to do with technology curves...
One could argue where all the MegaMan X's, Castlevania's, and Final Fantasy's for PC are. Would the argument then be that the 'fun quotient' on a console is higher than on a PC, so it takes a while to port over? I would more likely believe the two be more related to interface issues, like the presence of mouse and keyboard and good joysticks facilitate RTS, FPS, and flight sims for PC, where good game pads and established and consistent libraries(Which don't care about cutting edge) allow for many more games and more established series of games on consoles over PCs.
I don't even know why it would be easier; cheaper, yes, to develop on a PC than a console, but then you have to worry about API support, compatibility across varied hardware, and across varied CPUs that does not exist in a console system. It's no different whether the API is open or closed, except you need to pay for a closed one.
At least until you hook it up to a VESA compatible display or a HDTV display =) At least these have been mentioned. As with all things forthcoming, plans may change.
I'm glad that your dis-interest in the PSX2 is due to lack of games you prefer, flight sims and fps...
However, with USB and Firewire, I don't doubt they will have keyboard, mouse, and at least modem options available to them. With PCMCIA they can even have ethernet, whatever use that will be I cannot predict.
I really doubt a Celeron with a Matrox G200 can come close, but since this is still all speculation I'll let that be a doubt on my part. I'll be looking forward to my 3d console RPGs, racing games, shooters, and such on the PSX2 myself, since I'm no good at flight sims and fps are sorta boring to me...
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Good for you that you're grown up. If you don't plan on paying for it, then I really doubt you are 'grown up', despite being 30, 40, 50, 60, or 70. What, you don't believe in personal worth, responsibility, effort, time, and recompense? Aren't these all the issues that we'r dealing with?
John Carmack and Co's personal worth and effort and time are placed in a product. You, if you have your own sense of worth, have money and a job, otherwise you probabaly wouldn't be online and posting at
Rather than spending your own time, energy, and effort coding what will be Q3:Arena, you come to the conclusion; I'll give them this money to do it for me. If I don't give them the money, they won't do it for me. This way, for only 50$ and maybe a couple hours of work, I get a kick-ass game that they have spent 6 people for almost a year working at.
Of course, if you aren't worth anything, I can see how it would be difficult to see anyone else, like John Carmack and Co, being worth anything either. So, being worthless, you would imagine their time, effort, and energy is also worth as much, and their game, and thus free for you to take.
Of course, I could be wasting my breath, and you could just be trolling to get a response. It's a shame you're an AC, because I would love to talk to you. And I promise not to kill you, as long as we stay civil. Isn't that fair?
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What's your problem?
If I own 3 PCs, if I am not mistaken, I can run my copy of WinNT on only one at a time, right? Is that what you're saying? That's what I'm saying.
However, the analogy with Q3 would be:
I have WinNT installed on all three computers, but I only ever turn on one at any time. Period. Thats it. So no more than one copy of WinNT is in use or is operational at any time.
What, are you saying it is illegal to run Q3:Arena on 3 different computers? Would it satisfy you if I uninstalled each time I moved from a computer to another? This is a technical point, because as soon as I move back to another PC I would uninstall the current copy and install it on the other... For that effort, why not just leave it on all PCs and just be sure to never play more than one copy at a time?
Then how to deal with my dual-boot NT/Linux machine? Should I have 2 copies for one machine? 2 copies for 2 OSes? How would you feel if I downloaded the Win32 binaries from Id's own site, ala Q3:Arena Demo, installed it, then copied the data from the Linux CD onto my Windows partition? I still only play it on 1 machine, and only on 1 OS at a time; what kind of violations would I be accused of?
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I dunno; the sheer volume of repeat customers must mean some people are satisfied. I am =)
/., so that each one could potentially post the same article without realizing the other already had.
/. become a Linux vehicle, flag, and banner? Linux is certainly interesting, but not the only thing. The source to /. is available; you take it and try to run your own portal/community, and then you try to deal with the volume/lack of and complaints/lack of when you're overworked/bored silly...
You have to discount mistakes; it could just be attributed to a lack or ommision of communication from the different people running
Since when did
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I see. Then you submitted it to /., and it took it five weeks for it to go through the process that is CT and gang, before making it here, right?
Odd, considering the Shugashack link only had the article up since Friday, so since it's been up it's only take 24 hours at the most to get through the internal process.
Maybe they lost your submission?
You will submit before me! Bow down! Clean my shoes with your tongue!
Sorry, bad mental association =)
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You could nit-pick as much as you want; Harming Id software will also harm any computer vendors which services Id, as well as the isp/backbone providers, as well as the local groceries, car dealerships, automotive parts, restaurants, bookstores, BlockBusters, Coca Cola, pizzerias, and the rest of the state that depends on Id's taxes for some amount of cash.
So in some sense stealing from Id hurts Id, their city, their state, and through IRS, the rest of the country. And that is a sizeable amount of taxes, if Id really did sell over 2,000,000 of Doom, plus all the licenses from Quake, Quake2, and the sales and licenses of Quake3.
So yes, as enemy of the state, the warezboy should be shot.
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That's another good idea.
But I wonder what would happen if they made 2 copies; the Windows Version and the Multi-Boot Version and the Mac Version; the Multi-Boot would have Linux/Windows for those dual-booters and for Linux people, and the Mac version would satisfy those Mac people, and the Windows version would satisfy the Windows people...
It would still get a good count of Linux users because it would indicate Linux OS if the multi-boot version were bought.
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What's wrong with complaining? It's the first step before action, right?
So after I complained and asked some questions, and got some good answers, I sent of an email to T.Hollenshed @ Id software to ask him about it. I unfortunately need a 'Doze system, but prefer my Linux system. If Id can release a dual-boot version without anyproblems, then I'll be happy! If they can't, I'll choose one or the other and download the executables later...
Which remainds me...
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Stuff the ballots, stack the votes, buy multiple copies of Q3:Arena for Linux!
Well, that could get kind of expensive.
Maybe Q3:Arena and V3 will do for Linux what GLQuake and the original Voodoo did for OpenGL; for MS to work quickly to compete. We may hate them, but they did a halfway decent job with DX6; it took them long enough, however...
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That is a very valid concern, I guess.
But it is annoying for me, since I do have a Linux and Windows machine in the house for different purposes. I sorta wish I could just pop my copy irregardless of machine in and play.
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Um...
I'm not sure that's a valid concern; a concern, yes, but valid?
That would mean one person with a Linux/Intel box alongside a Windows/Intel box alonside a Mac/PowerPC box... and playing all three games at once to violate any sort of law.
If I own Quake3:Arena, and I did have all three boxes, I don't think there is a legal reason I can't play it on any of the machines I own; I wouldn't need 3 copies, I just couldn't run all three at once. If I owned 3 PCs running Windows, I could play the game on any of the machines I wanted, legally, if I weren't playing them all at once, or allowing others to play with my single copy unless they themselves owned a copy...
Regardless of what Nintendo may say about that, unless Id has in their new multiplatform EULA the stipulation that a Mac CD cannot be used by a Win machine or a Linux CD cannot be used on a Mac or something else like that.
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I'm sure Id however could get access to those and generate those trans.tbl files...
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Oh grow up a little, please?
If that were the attitude we all took, because I'm sure we could all find these things eventually, what with the 6 degrees of freedom thing, then Id software would be out of business, and no one, not even you, especially not you, would be able to go and grab it. Understand? As much as you enjoy it, someone has to pay Id software enough for them to release a commercial quality game, and if we don't they'll just go out of business or stop out of frustration, and then I would have to find you and your friends and beat you all up, or at least until I died because of the fact pirates/thieves probably would outnumber me 100:1.
If you were as big a drain on the rest of society as you would be in software piracy circles, would you be really missed if I got pissed and decided to kill you?
I wonder if I need to see a psychiatrist soon? I'm scaring myself right now...
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Aside from executable formats, wouldn't the Linux OS be able to read perfectly the Win32 CDROM?
It would seem the best bet to release 1 win32 cdrom with all binary formats on it...
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What, you mean there isn't an ISO standard for long file names?
And I thought that Linux could actually deal with whatever format you threw at it, at least more gracefully than Macs or Windows did...
And I actually thought Macs today that would be able to run Q3:Arena also had full Windows compatiblity; Joliet or Romulus or something like that, a long filename ISO variant.
It's sorta non-purist to use the Win32 ISO standard because it is the most prevalent, but I thought that Macs and Linux could handle that version of long filenames...
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Why should there be n-flavors of Quake3:Arena?
I assume all the source data and art and such are identical; at least for production costs, I would assume it is simpler to just create 1 CD with 3 or 4 binary executables; They could then release a CD with Linux, Mac, and Windows support out of the box, rather than 3 different boxes. I'm assuming packaging and box art are identical, btw, so the only functional difference would be the CDs. Perhaps they'll use different CD formats? But why bother doing that?
The user won't care either way, but it would mean Linux users would be much better off because they wouldn't have to look for a specific store that stocked Linux games; rather, just look for the Q3:Arena box.
Same for Mac users without access to Mac specific stores...
Is there any real reason to create 3 distros, essentially identical but for their binaries, and perhaps long filename support?
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Hee hee... I just sent you back an email =)
Good for you. I happen to have FFVII for the console, and have played it once through, and never found the time to do it again.
But, like a good book, I can probably play through it at least twice more.
I also own Square's newest RPG, Xenogears, and have played it once through at 86 hours. I will play it at least once more, for probably a good 100 hours in order to see and hear and get everything. I don't play games everyday; it's not my style. But when I do play, I play for hours.
My PPro200 is feeling old and outdated, and needs to be upgraded to play the current batch of FPS like Quake3:Arena. The nice thing about consoles is never the lack of power; games that run on it are more or less designed with that limitation/ability in mind. I'm looking forward to playing FFVIII on the PSX1, and maybe FFVIII in real time on the PSX2(no more prerendered backgrounds and FMV! Well, maybe.)
I acknowledge your preference and choice. I'm just pissed at people who assume I want to play the same games they do and then blatently tell me my decision to get and support consoles is stupid because it doesn't do as much. I don't care that it doesn't do as much; do you begrudge me my toaster because it doesn't do cappacino? I just want my toast dammit! And I want my FFVIII, as well.
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I never said it was hard or impossible to emulate; I even explicitly mention the VGS, but I also point out for comparable performance you need to spend much more.
How much more than 100$ can you spend on a PC to get a PlayStation?
I would do it because I want a kick butt PC anyways, but for the millions(50 million or so) who think that is pointless, the console is cheaper and higher quality.
Your VooDoo2 costs about 100 dollars by itself right now. If you got it when the Playstation was first released, for about 250$, the video card of choice would be a VooDoo1 for 240$, and a Pentium 166 for 500$....
Don't tell me that said PC stacks up the the Playstation if gaming is the only utility function we analyze!
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Good for you.
A real issue that Sony addresses is the fact that they will penetrate more households than PCs.
At least they do right now.
Statistics aside, for pure entertainment, it is undeniable that a decent PC will cost more than a decent console; take today, a PSX1, still a very viable device, is only 100$. What comparable PC exists that can give as much satisfaction?
Assuming the market doesn't change radically and unpredictable, something similar will hold true late next year. You can get a decent PC with kick-ass performance for 1000$(I just made that up. Who can tell what makes a kick-ass PC? Or how much it will cost? I'm assuming though that Intel will charge a price/performance premium on their CPUs and that the equivalent VooDoos of 2k will still be 200$) or a decent console for 400$, max, along with DVD, 3d sound, CD play, game play capability, and enough minor computing ability to function as a web browser, email terminal, and word processor.
The PSX2 will no more be a novelty than the PSX1 today, unless you count playing games a novelty, or watching movies a novelty. Entertainment is its own industry, in its own right, and is very much a part of our life and culture...
I believe you are right when you mention the PSX2 won't be a PC killer, but it will displace some people who don't need the full functionality of a PC when their PSX2 is enough. PCs can be replaced by PSX2 for playing games, watching movies, and browsing the web; but PSX2 cannot be replaced by PCs for the sheer price/performance ration of the above options, unless your utility demands more, like programming, ftp, video compositing, photoshop, multiplayer games, etc..
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You're absolutely correct...
But the PSX1 is a better gaming platform for me than the PC is; the games I want to play, for the most part, exist on the Playstation.
So even if I don't believe all the hype, the PSX2 is something to look forward to if you are already a fan of the PSX1.
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Highly dependent upon the game, I suspect.
I enjoy the Id GL Quake type games under WinNT.
I also enjoy the host of LucasArts 2d action/adventure games, as well as my Civ2 and SMAC games...
If I wanted racing, flight sim, or others I would have to resort to a Win9x machine, I guess.
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It's not relevant now either; PSX vs a PII...
Who wins?
There are over 50 million PSXs sold, and likewise a very large library of games right now. Same thing will hold for the PIII and the PSX2; different markets, different capabilities, different strategies.
We go crazy over the PSX2 because the PSX is literally hitting a wall sometime in the future, which should be nicely alleviated by the PSX2. Who cares what Intel does? I doubt they will enter competatively against the PSX2, unless they suddenly decide the gaming market means something to them.
Intel sells CPUs and computers, not games, so they only make profits if games can sell computers.
In the console market games do sell consoles, so Sony makes a profit regardless of whether its by the sale of a console or the sale of a game.
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And what's with this TV output thing? They should drop it, considering how old and outdated it is. Since the PSX2 won't be out till next year anyhow, just add support for the new flat panel displays that have been popping up everywhere, and maybe even use HDTV as the default display! Sure there aren't very many HDTVs out yet, and LCD is still expensive, but the release of the PSX2 with HDTV and LCD support will force the consumer market to upgrade to one or the other.
On the other hand, 1394 seems a perfectly good thing. Much cheaper than SCSI, which if you recall Apple also had a hand in inventing/unleashing upon the world. Apple does some good stuff sometimes.
Sorry for the mix'n match sarcasm. Couldn't help myself, was too much fun.
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I'll concede that Doom, Quake, Tomb Raider, Unreal, etc came out on PCs before consoles. Flight sims and RTS games are also PC exclusive, but I doubt it really has to do with technology curves...
One could argue where all the MegaMan X's, Castlevania's, and Final Fantasy's for PC are. Would the argument then be that the 'fun quotient' on a console is higher than on a PC, so it takes a while to port over? I would more likely believe the two be more related to interface issues, like the presence of mouse and keyboard and good joysticks facilitate RTS, FPS, and flight sims for PC, where good game pads and established and consistent libraries(Which don't care about cutting edge) allow for many more games and more established series of games on consoles over PCs.
I don't even know why it would be easier; cheaper, yes, to develop on a PC than a console, but then you have to worry about API support, compatibility across varied hardware, and across varied CPUs that does not exist in a console system. It's no different whether the API is open or closed, except you need to pay for a closed one.
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At least until you hook it up to a VESA compatible display or a HDTV display =)
At least these have been mentioned. As with all things forthcoming, plans may change.
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I'm glad that your dis-interest in the PSX2 is due to lack of games you prefer, flight sims and fps...
However, with USB and Firewire, I don't doubt they will have keyboard, mouse, and at least modem options available to them. With PCMCIA they can even have ethernet, whatever use that will be I cannot predict.
I really doubt a Celeron with a Matrox G200 can come close, but since this is still all speculation I'll let that be a doubt on my part. I'll be looking forward to my 3d console RPGs, racing games, shooters, and such on the PSX2 myself, since I'm no good at flight sims and fps are sorta boring to me...
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