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Quake 3 to be sold Retail for Linux
Jim P sent us a link to
Shugashack which has
a cool article talking about porting Quake to Linux. Its
official though, there's gonna be a shrink wrapped box
too.
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this is good news! one of many to come?
the others will follow, it takes one to take the chance. the other companies will see it is successfull and they will also start releasing linux games...
The best part about this is that it will provide id and other game companies solid numbers on how many Linux users will buy games. I've bought Quake and Quake II and *ONLY* played them under Linux. I hope Loki is successful, I think a small company of Linux experts is a great way of getting great well ported games out quickly and I think they can make a noticeable amount of $$$.
Sometimes it's not that easy. You'd have to make a hybrid CD from hell to get it to work flawlessly on all OSes. The Mac expects CDs to have weird properties as does Windows and even UNIX. If they wrote the software to reference strict 8.3 names in the fashion of iso9660, then it would be great. But I doubt they'll be doing that :)
this would be stank for me
Now I'm sure Full Bandwidth (FBW) or Addiction (Addc) on will offer it on #exceed / #warez950-dcc on EFNet once it comes out.
:)
Then all I'll have to do is run OfferCheck and point and click XDCC download baby!
Remember they are still trying to run a business.... I mean if they stuck binaries for 3 or 4 different OSes then they're might be some person out there running 1 or 2 of them... So effectively they would be selling like 3 or 4 Quake 3's for the price of one.
Okay, Quake 3 requires a 3D card. I want to buy Quake3 for Linux when it's out. Which card do I get? Which cards are supported? What's the fastest one?
Anyone?
Get a Voodoo3. 3dfx.com www.linux3d.org
The real reason is, if you slam every binary onto one CD, you don't know what percentage of buyers are Linux users.
If you make the Linux users buy a special box just for Linux, you'll get a very good idea of how big the Linux factor is.
ID software's move will be very closely watched... not just by the gaming industry either. Will Linux people buy software? How many of those Linux freaks are there, anyway? These are good questions.
The fastest cards are the ones based on Nvidia Riva TNT chip. They have an excelent image quality too, second only to G200.
The only 3d cards that are supported under Linux are 3dfx voodoo-based cards.
... Linux and Windows binaries were in the *same* box. That way all buyers of Q3 would be able to see the Penguin logo.
Yeah, also, I multiboot Linux, 98 and NT and play Q2 under Linux and 98. Having all binaries in one box would save me download time.
I think I'm right but whether I'm right or not, we will have hard numbers this time. When we go to Valve and say "We want Half-Life for Linux!" we can also say "id sold a million copies of Linux Q3 so there's your proof that you can make money!"
Of course no one may buy Linux Q3A and then it is highly doubtful that other companies would port their games to Linux but I think it is going to be a big success on Linux.
Read a little further on.. I asked Zoid about
that, and he says basically "Voodoo2" if you are
buying now, tnt, voodoo3 if you are able to
wait a bit for the OpenGL libraries to come out
from the vendors. v2 is the only card that already
has good linux support.. thought the tnt (which
is also a combo 2d/3d card) and the VooDoo3 are
liable to be supported soon.
Hoonis
I figure that quake 3 version 1.01 will be out a week after 1.00 so you could probably buy the Linux CD w/ data files and then install version 1.01 for windows or something like that.
http://www.riva3d.com/v3p2.htmlh ardware.com/releases/99q1/990222/index.html
http://www5.toms
I would be more likely to buy:
- Q3 for linux
- Q3 for win
- Q3 for all supported platforms
- A computer
The majority answer is predictable, but it would get the point accross.
are you familiar with capitalism?
you and your warez friends are enemies of the state.
Yes, that's the reason why multiple boxes will ship- they want to see what the numbers are like
:) and a client at
so they can tell how much to market to Linux
users.
I don't imagine dual-booters will have to pay
twice.. they've always more or less adopted the
policy that you're buying "the game" and are
liberal about allowing you to install a server
at work (on the company T1
home to play on it.. the executable is always
available along with updates on the id ftp
and other places.
Hoonis
The Voodoo3 should be running on Linux as soon as it comes
out (~1 month.) The software that works on the
Voodoo2 should work with little modification on
the Voodoo3. That's what I read on the 3dfx
newsgroups anyway.
Stores don't really have much to do with what they stock. The way retail software stores basically work is that publishers (or, rather, the distributors that the publishers use) rent shelf space. They don't call it a rental--but basically the amount of shelf space you get depends directly on how much you pay the store to buy ads in their flayers and things like that.
Thus, whether or not the Linux version will be on the shelves at CompUSA and other places basically depends on whether or not Id wants it there. CompUSA doesn't care one way or the other.
Note: if any OS/2 fans want to deduce from this that the reason they could never find OS/2 software on the shelves was because IBM sucks at marketing, rather than because the stores suck up to Microsoft, you would be correct in that deduction.
As to why they might want to have separate boxes for Windows, Mac, and Linux, it might be to gather information. When I go down to CompUSA and pick up my copy, Id will *know* that I bought that box to get the Linux version. My guess is that Id is trying to find out if there is enough Linux interest for Linux to be an officially supported platform for their future games, or if it should go back to being a "we'll do a port for fun in our spare time" platform. Same for the Mac--Apple's selling a lot of iMacs--and I'm sure Id wants to know just how big the Mac market for the latest games is.
I thought it was going to be like their previous games: there will be a demo version you can download that doesn't have all the map data, but does have the complete executable. What you get with the CD is the full map data.
If this is true, you could buy the Linux version (buy the Linux version rather than the Windows version, please!), and then download the demo for Windows, and use the map data from the Linux CD with the Windows version on your Windows machine.
Mods will be platform-independent, and the binaries for both versions should be available on-line at least by the time the first patch is released.
The problem is a voltage regulator on the 3.3v line that can't handle the amount of current the TNT wants. There is a fix somewhere on the Asus web site that involved cutting a pin to disable that regulator, and then soldering a wire in to bypass the regulator.
I don't know how long the 1.05 and earlier P2L97's were commonly sold--mine is 1.05 and it was bought right near the end of 1997. Anyway, if you've got a P2L97 that is more than a year or so old, you might want to check into this before getting a TNT, unless you are getting near motherboard upgrade time anyway.
I don't think you get the point here...
Being an enemy of the state anti-capitalist is one thing, Stealing is another, If you steal the games from Id, you aren't doing the state any harm, the only harm you're doing is to Id software.
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This news was released about 5 weeks ago. Time to look at the words N-E-W-s. NEWs. NEW. new. new......new....new
Some ppl claims that Quake runs faster under Linux then Win98. Could be true I guess, but what if you compare it with Quake under NT?
;) )
I've heard similar claims about Windows games running Linux with Wine. How much is actually truth?
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(Me just tried playing Solitare using Wine, worked just fine (and the performance was far better then under Win98!!
Grave! spam spam soasdfffffjkljk;lksfad;lkjdfs golgotha eats goat nads :(
Am I the only one, or does anyone else think Slashdot has gone really downhill recently?
News gets posted several times, important news gets missed altogether, only a small percentage of the articles that get on LinuxToday end up on Slashdot, and then usually a couple of days behind.
When you post a message to LinuxToday, they usually reply to you within half an hour. When you post a message to the Slashdot editors, it usually gets ignored.
Come on, CT. Either put some real effort into Slashdot or get a real job. One or the other, don't just do nothing, you'll stagnate.
Hrm.. ahh yes.. your concern is VERY valid yourself.. thats like saying I have 1 copy here of Novell software.. so that means since I own a multimillion dollar corperation.. i can put it on every computer my company has all for the price of that one copy! no WAY.. its only supposed to be on 1 computer at 1 time!
So I have a TNT card that I like a lot and I am wondering if anyone know where a person could follow the progress of Open GL support in Xfree86. Seeing as how SGI released the specs and all. Does anyone know what is happening with this right now?
BTW, I think that idSoftware is not at all as stupid as people are making them out to be. I am sure that binaries for x86(read Linux and Win) will be on the same CD. Hopefully they will package them differently though so Linux gets some attention.
Well I'm grown up and I don't plan on paying for it. If you want to fork out your $$ go ahead, sucker.
Well $50 won't get you much of a computer. Although it would pay for half the cost of a voodoo 2 card (which you'll need to play the game).
You can download the binaries (executables) from ID's ftp site or one of the mirrors. You only pay for the data files (graphics, sounds, music, etc.)
Using my perception, can say that Quake 1 runs faster on Linux then on DOS - and far better then on Windows. Quake 2 is slower on Linux though.
The news that id would make a linux port is old news. However, it is new news that they would be selling the linux version specifically as a linux port that will sit along side other linux software. The article on sCary's has only been up since friday.
Dont you mean all the stories posted on slashdot within the last few weeks? Good god, the responses to the Gnome Story were just AWFUL. And the worst part is people respond to the trolls.
DO NOT RESPOND TO THE TROLLS
let them be.
I'm starting to wonder whether this is part of MickeYsOft's smear&smuther campaign, fill slashdot with total utter garbage, to totally degrade the site, make it completely worthless. If it is, they are doing a good job. Of course, having anonymous posting ability DOES NOT HELP this situation. Malda, start censoring the bullshit please, Slashdot is looking worse and worse every single day.
You're right. I won't pay for it because I don't even want it. But remember, it's $50, not 50$.
Sorry, not to jump in, just wanted to throw my side comment in...
... I show it off, people say wow, and I feel happy knowing that my 4000$ pc is worth something beyond a heavy weight.. :) (yes I got it running under whine )
I but ALOT of games.. (- read over 100) a year... )
I play them for maybe a week or so at a time, and then I stop playing... forever...
I warez / pirate whatever a good 10% of the games I get a hold of. Partly because of my not wanting to pay for it. And partly because I know it won't even last the week... There are games that have lasted over a week on my system.. (quake and other like it) I have paid for them... all of them... they have earned my "hard earned" dollar... I know what you're going to say "Why even play the games I pirate then if I know it's going to suck".. Simple.. Eye Candy.. Perfect example --> UltraHLE... I played with it for a solid week, after selling my N64.. do you think I'm downloading new roms every day to play so I don't have to buy a 64?? NO! it's just the idea that I can DO IT on my PC! (Free is pretty funny though too)
my 3 cents.. (I'm a rich bastard)
-D.A
``The hand is no diffrent than what it creates.''
I once created a bomb, and so far I haven't blown up my hand yet. Do you think it could go off in the middle of the night?
Yes, you are a sucker. You see, businesses don't have morals. Some of them pretend to. But in the end, the only thing that matters is money.
In a perfect world, there would be no such thing as money. But this is real life. People lie, cheat and even shoot each other in their worship of the almighty dollar.
Well I'm no different.
check out www.bluesnews.com for the scoop.
apparently Q3A will come in 3 different boxes (win, mac, linux) but you will able to download any of the 3 executables from id software. so you only have to pay for the game once, no matter how many platforms you play it on.
Lamer kicks anyone out that beats his pathetic excuse for a Quake player's butt. She's In kahoots with Degauss.fmba. They both suck so I hope they & their 31337 clan of h4x0r5 can't find a site do d/l q3 kuz I know they didn't buy it like a good little AOLuser.
This is my algorithm for buying a 3D card.
:-)
1. Wait until Q3 is released
2. If RivaTNT(Linux)!=Supported then buy 3dfx card
I bought my VooDoo 2 card one year ago. More than twice as expensive as today. But boy do I have had fun with my card.
Todays lesson, never buy something that will be supported Real Soon Now. But when the TNT2 is released and hopefully is supported in Linux, I will be the first one to buy one.
Quake 3 is running on an emulated processor. Do you believe that yourself?
No, I think it is good that they're going to get
clean hard numbers on how many copies for each
OS sell. You're going to be able to download the
binaries for the other OSes anyway, so why water
the statistics ?
How old? 12, maybe 13years old......the little AOL kids are invading /. .... I wondered what would happen if AOL got /.'d
the xfree86 has recently been updated to take advantage of newer accelerators, including Riva TNT (the fastest 3D card now available). u can also find a listing of supported cards on the site.
New users....so smart...
Look, for one, leet talking is retarded(I know u were sarcastic tho). This is what pisses me off about the new generation of users. The old generation were coders and hackers who knew their stuff. Now it's people who buy Linux ust to say that they run and look like a hacker but only play quake. Then they come on message boards to say something stupid like the previous message. If you're gonna run Linux, do it for a reason other than to look smart and just play quake. Otehrwise you will the "LLama"
too bad it wont run on my p100/32mb ram, im sure. quake 1 ran with 14fps in 320x200 video mode, of course i do have a S3 virge/dx now, instead of a crappy cirrus logic card. but still. computing is getting strange to me, noone needs the kind of power they sell now in the stores and other places. 450 mhz? damn, of course i guess i would be stupid too if i wasn't from a family that didn't spoil me. ;)
last thursday in english some guy said "it sucks cause my parents 'if you goto college we'll get you a car.'" i have nothing but antipathy for these idiots, i'm in college cause i'm smart, not a spoiled brat.
same way with computers. it really sucks that you need a "top of the line" computer to run this crap now. (btw i don't play games, i'm more of a c/c++ programmer)
blah. don't flame me cause there is really no point, this is just my opinion, but replies that aren't flames are welcome
Yes thats all true games run faster under linux
:)
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Reason Linux uses full 32 bit NT and win95 / 98 dont
momory management is better,and also disk access
Wine only translattes win syscalls in to linux syscalls so It uses a LINUX syscal
and also the linux memory management
so games under wine run about 25 % faster...
than running those window games under 95
If you take A natural ported game like qake
Then you can see it at the min sys reqs
for win I needs a pent 233 or higer
In linux A pent 133 will do for quake 1 and a pent 166 for quake 2
I'm buying the Windows version for sure, because I know the control, playability, and mods are all going to be there. I run Linux 95% of the time, with Quake the *only* reason I reboot. If you want me to pay twice, then fine, I'll just stay away from your Linux version. I hope this isn't the case.
Posted by OGL:
I'm really dissapointed at the quality of the posts on this thread. The problem with gaming is that it brings all the 13 year-old lamers out of the woodwork; it's bad enough to play against them, but now they're invading slashdot?
I'd just like to clear the air by saying that I plan to buy the linux version *WITHOUT* bitching about any doze releases, take it home to my 3D card, and have fun. Is that too hard for you people?
-W.W.
> And I thought that Linux could actually deal
> with whatever format you threw at it, at least
> more gracefully than Macs or Windows did..
Well, I first thought that myself until I tried burning a CD of Redhat 5.2 (which I downloaded), but the install disks wouldn't see my CD -- because of the long file names. It turns out that I needed to make an ISO9660 disc and generate a bunch of TRANS.TBL files, but there were no (inexpensive) Win9x CD burning packages that allowed me to do that.. I know mkisofs does it for linux, but I couldn't find a Win32 port.. (oh well..)
stop calling him an enemy of the state, that way he thinks he's some kind of 'k3w|_ revolutionary' rather than just another kid who won't go to the trouble of mowing the lawn/whatever he needs to do to get the money for the game
Somebody get our flag back!
The game engine (renderer, sound, etc) will be native, but the *game* code (controlling what all the objects do etc) will be interpreted.
.plan for ages.
This has been in John Carmack's
But this isn't the reason they are doing 3 boxes, the data (including compiled gamecode) will be the same anyway, only the binaries for Win32/Mac/Linux will be different.
My guess is that they're after the demographics. id have enuff money that they shouldn't really need to worry about how much it'll cost to press 3 different CDs, but i think in the future they'll move to 1 CD which will run on all platforms.
- doctea
Just a guess but,
There is no reason other than that it doesn't cost much more and the boxes will say:
QUAKE III
-for Linux
John Carmack is a cool guy. He is running a business and has his eye on the bottom line, as well as the general technical excellence of his games, but he has always had a soft spot for Linux, and any other OS whose developers really care about quality.
Thanks ID,
-Steve
You only pay for the data files. The executables are free from ftp://ftp.idsoftware.com . Just buy the Linux version and get the Windows exe from their site. (Can anyone believe I just said that? ;-) )
-Steve
Quake SERVERS are undeniably faster in linux than Win95 and probably 98. About even with NT, though the NT servers supposedly go south when the system receives any other load. The game itself is faster in Linux than in NT, roughly equal with 95/98 on same hardware assuming both are supported (meaning voodoo)
I've finally had it: until slashdot gets article moderation, I am not coming back.
It's not SGI that controls whether your TNT will do OpenGL well, it's nVidia. Thus far there are no specs available for the 3d portion of the TNT. OpenGL on Linux is doing quite nicely on its own.
I've finally had it: until slashdot gets article moderation, I am not coming back.
Actually you could get all three "file systems" on one disc. You can have hybrid HFS / iso9660 cds. Since joliet and rock ridge are just extentions to iso9660, I can't think of any reason why you couldn't have a 3way hybrid cd. For the record joliet and rock ridge can exist on the same cd, I did this w/ a redhat cd. I needed rock ridge to preserve file permissions, such as execute, and joliet so it would be readable under windoze (the only machine I had w/ a cdrom was a windoze box). My point is that it would be fairly simple to create a cd that would work under all 3 OSes w/o having to fall back on windoze "standards".
-matt
IIRC quake2 and quake3 were developed on linux and then ported to doze after so the porting cost for linux is $0.
-matt
They're releasing 3 versions of Quake3 because they designed the game around a virtual machine. The actual binary portion of the game emulates a RISC processor, so instead of having to run thru and change API calls and system calls, they just write a new virtual machine. Pretty cool, eh?
I heard this same argument used when I was running OS/2, but it never panned out. I'll admit there are alot more Linux users than there were (were, not to imply that OS/2 is dead, mind you, only that I no longer use it.. :) OS/2 users. I really hope you're right though, and this may open the eyes of more video card manufacturers as well.
--- Keep the choice with the user..
Don't forget about publishers. I'm sure they could make a multi-OS CD, but it would cost at least a bit more to produce, and the Windows publisher (I think it's Activision for Q3) might not be happy to pay more per box to include a Linux version.
Why should there be n-flavors of Quake3:Arena?
I assume all the source data and art and such are identical; at least for production costs, I would assume it is simpler to just create 1 CD with 3 or 4 binary executables; They could then release a CD with Linux, Mac, and Windows support out of the box, rather than 3 different boxes. I'm assuming packaging and box art are identical, btw, so the only functional difference would be the CDs. Perhaps they'll use different CD formats? But why bother doing that?
The user won't care either way, but it would mean Linux users would be much better off because they wouldn't have to look for a specific store that stocked Linux games; rather, just look for the Q3:Arena box.
Same for Mac users without access to Mac specific stores...
Is there any real reason to create 3 distros, essentially identical but for their binaries, and perhaps long filename support?
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What, you mean there isn't an ISO standard for long file names?
And I thought that Linux could actually deal with whatever format you threw at it, at least more gracefully than Macs or Windows did...
And I actually thought Macs today that would be able to run Q3:Arena also had full Windows compatiblity; Joliet or Romulus or something like that, a long filename ISO variant.
It's sorta non-purist to use the Win32 ISO standard because it is the most prevalent, but I thought that Macs and Linux could handle that version of long filenames...
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Aside from executable formats, wouldn't the Linux OS be able to read perfectly the Win32 CDROM?
It would seem the best bet to release 1 win32 cdrom with all binary formats on it...
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*Pikachu*
Oh grow up a little, please?
If that were the attitude we all took, because I'm sure we could all find these things eventually, what with the 6 degrees of freedom thing, then Id software would be out of business, and no one, not even you, especially not you, would be able to go and grab it. Understand? As much as you enjoy it, someone has to pay Id software enough for them to release a commercial quality game, and if we don't they'll just go out of business or stop out of frustration, and then I would have to find you and your friends and beat you all up, or at least until I died because of the fact pirates/thieves probably would outnumber me 100:1.
If you were as big a drain on the rest of society as you would be in software piracy circles, would you be really missed if I got pissed and decided to kill you?
I wonder if I need to see a psychiatrist soon? I'm scaring myself right now...
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*Pikachu*
I'm sure Id however could get access to those and generate those trans.tbl files...
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*Pikachu*
Um...
I'm not sure that's a valid concern; a concern, yes, but valid?
That would mean one person with a Linux/Intel box alongside a Windows/Intel box alonside a Mac/PowerPC box... and playing all three games at once to violate any sort of law.
If I own Quake3:Arena, and I did have all three boxes, I don't think there is a legal reason I can't play it on any of the machines I own; I wouldn't need 3 copies, I just couldn't run all three at once. If I owned 3 PCs running Windows, I could play the game on any of the machines I wanted, legally, if I weren't playing them all at once, or allowing others to play with my single copy unless they themselves owned a copy...
Regardless of what Nintendo may say about that, unless Id has in their new multiplatform EULA the stipulation that a Mac CD cannot be used by a Win machine or a Linux CD cannot be used on a Mac or something else like that.
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That is a very valid concern, I guess.
But it is annoying for me, since I do have a Linux and Windows machine in the house for different purposes. I sorta wish I could just pop my copy irregardless of machine in and play.
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*Pikachu*
Stuff the ballots, stack the votes, buy multiple copies of Q3:Arena for Linux!
Well, that could get kind of expensive.
Maybe Q3:Arena and V3 will do for Linux what GLQuake and the original Voodoo did for OpenGL; for MS to work quickly to compete. We may hate them, but they did a halfway decent job with DX6; it took them long enough, however...
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*Pikachu*
What's wrong with complaining? It's the first step before action, right?
So after I complained and asked some questions, and got some good answers, I sent of an email to T.Hollenshed @ Id software to ask him about it. I unfortunately need a 'Doze system, but prefer my Linux system. If Id can release a dual-boot version without anyproblems, then I'll be happy! If they can't, I'll choose one or the other and download the executables later...
Which remainds me...
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That's another good idea.
But I wonder what would happen if they made 2 copies; the Windows Version and the Multi-Boot Version and the Mac Version; the Multi-Boot would have Linux/Windows for those dual-booters and for Linux people, and the Mac version would satisfy those Mac people, and the Windows version would satisfy the Windows people...
It would still get a good count of Linux users because it would indicate Linux OS if the multi-boot version were bought.
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*Pikachu*
You could nit-pick as much as you want; Harming Id software will also harm any computer vendors which services Id, as well as the isp/backbone providers, as well as the local groceries, car dealerships, automotive parts, restaurants, bookstores, BlockBusters, Coca Cola, pizzerias, and the rest of the state that depends on Id's taxes for some amount of cash.
So in some sense stealing from Id hurts Id, their city, their state, and through IRS, the rest of the country. And that is a sizeable amount of taxes, if Id really did sell over 2,000,000 of Doom, plus all the licenses from Quake, Quake2, and the sales and licenses of Quake3.
So yes, as enemy of the state, the warezboy should be shot.
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I see. Then you submitted it to /., and it took it five weeks for it to go through the process that is CT and gang, before making it here, right?
Odd, considering the Shugashack link only had the article up since Friday, so since it's been up it's only take 24 hours at the most to get through the internal process.
Maybe they lost your submission?
You will submit before me! Bow down! Clean my shoes with your tongue!
Sorry, bad mental association =)
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I dunno; the sheer volume of repeat customers must mean some people are satisfied. I am =)
/., so that each one could potentially post the same article without realizing the other already had.
/. become a Linux vehicle, flag, and banner? Linux is certainly interesting, but not the only thing. The source to /. is available; you take it and try to run your own portal/community, and then you try to deal with the volume/lack of and complaints/lack of when you're overworked/bored silly...
You have to discount mistakes; it could just be attributed to a lack or ommision of communication from the different people running
Since when did
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What's your problem?
If I own 3 PCs, if I am not mistaken, I can run my copy of WinNT on only one at a time, right? Is that what you're saying? That's what I'm saying.
However, the analogy with Q3 would be:
I have WinNT installed on all three computers, but I only ever turn on one at any time. Period. Thats it. So no more than one copy of WinNT is in use or is operational at any time.
What, are you saying it is illegal to run Q3:Arena on 3 different computers? Would it satisfy you if I uninstalled each time I moved from a computer to another? This is a technical point, because as soon as I move back to another PC I would uninstall the current copy and install it on the other... For that effort, why not just leave it on all PCs and just be sure to never play more than one copy at a time?
Then how to deal with my dual-boot NT/Linux machine? Should I have 2 copies for one machine? 2 copies for 2 OSes? How would you feel if I downloaded the Win32 binaries from Id's own site, ala Q3:Arena Demo, installed it, then copied the data from the Linux CD onto my Windows partition? I still only play it on 1 machine, and only on 1 OS at a time; what kind of violations would I be accused of?
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Huh?
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Good for you that you're grown up. If you don't plan on paying for it, then I really doubt you are 'grown up', despite being 30, 40, 50, 60, or 70. What, you don't believe in personal worth, responsibility, effort, time, and recompense? Aren't these all the issues that we'r dealing with?
John Carmack and Co's personal worth and effort and time are placed in a product. You, if you have your own sense of worth, have money and a job, otherwise you probabaly wouldn't be online and posting at
Rather than spending your own time, energy, and effort coding what will be Q3:Arena, you come to the conclusion; I'll give them this money to do it for me. If I don't give them the money, they won't do it for me. This way, for only 50$ and maybe a couple hours of work, I get a kick-ass game that they have spent 6 people for almost a year working at.
Of course, if you aren't worth anything, I can see how it would be difficult to see anyone else, like John Carmack and Co, being worth anything either. So, being worthless, you would imagine their time, effort, and energy is also worth as much, and their game, and thus free for you to take.
Of course, I could be wasting my breath, and you could just be trolling to get a response. It's a shame you're an AC, because I would love to talk to you. And I promise not to kill you, as long as we stay civil. Isn't that fair?
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Hey, I understand that. There are many of my friends who believe in a try before you buy policy; I don't begrudge them this, as it is a good gauge on whether to spend $50 or so. I get around this by renting for a few dollars, or watching all my friends play a game or two before deciding I want to own it myself. It just bothered me that the original poster didn't make any mention of his real intentions beyond downloading the game. This is real entertainment, probably worth hundreds of hours in the near future, and it would make my investment be worth much less if some guys downloaded and never played it. If it plays it for day and decides he doesn't want it, then fine. Not a problem I have.
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Why even posting if it isn't a useful comment or discussion?
Fine, take your $50 elsewhere if you don't want Q3:Arena. It's your money, your time, your leisure. Go grab FFVIII or watch a few movies or get drunk or whatever. It's not my concern your free time and money. I'm talking because I want to hear comments and discussion. I have yet to hear a pirate be defend themselves; those that try before they buy aren't really the pirates I talk or complain about, because they do buy the games they play.
I'm waiting to hear from a pirate to defend their actions cogently, legitamately, and carefully. I'm feeling much better now, so no more death threats from me =) Ahh. Sugar.
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What does morals have to do with anything?
Are you talking business in general? I can agree. Id software specifically? It would hard pressed for me to concede that these 12 people have no morals, and that all the care about is money. Sure, the money is important, but if money were all they cared about, they wouldn't be porting to Linux, they wouldn't be using OpenGL, and they wouldn't be making Quake3:Arena.
Linux is an unproven untested market.
OpenGL is not quite as well supported as M$'s DirectX libraries...
Quake3:Arena is a risk; they want to do something fun, entertaining, and worthwhile. If they wanted more money, they would do something like Half Life or KingPin or Sin, or heck, even a Deer Hunter clone.
I fail to see your point to my arguments, or to any arguments. Sure, you lie, cheat, and shoot people for money. Who cares? What's the big deal about worshipping money? I much prefer looking and flirting with cute girls over working, but I work just enough to support myself, and live comfortable. No more. Is money something worthwhile in itself?
Why am I the sucker, by the way? It would be nice if you could tell me, so I can fix whatever gaping flaw I have that you see...
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Does this mean that when the SGI version comes out that there will be a seperate box for that too?
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How is the G200 for 3d? If it's good, I think I'll buy one, since Matrox has released ALL specs for it...
I don't really know what kinds of differences you're talking about with control and playability, but from what I've heard/read, there will be no difference in mods.
All good and true, but something I've been wondering about: there seems to be the 3dfx side of graphics cards, and the other side, which has my Riva TNT card (STB Velocity 4400)...does that mean anything requiring 3dfx is unusable by me, either on my windows or linux side?
Don't forget that this is the first of several..
A quake1 package and a quake2 package are also
going to make it to stores. I think this is a great thing.. id games are some of the best ones
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Idiot!, if you rin linux 95% of the time, why bother shutting it down just to boot up windows to play quake? just get used to it.
either we are networking or we areNT networking
>As to why they might want to have separate boxes >for Windows, Mac, and Linux, it might be to >gather information. When I go down to CompUSA and
> pick up my copy, Id will *know* that >I bought that box to get the Linux version. My >guess is that Id is trying to find out if there >is enough Linux interest
> for Linux to be an officially >supported platform for their future games, or if >it should go back to being a "we'll do a port for >fun in our spare time"
> platform. Same for the Mac--Apple's >selling a lot of iMacs--and I'm sure Id wants to >know just how big the Mac market for the latest >games is>.
I think you're right at all, but if I do not find the linux version in a store, I would buy the win version and download the linux binary(that'll be possible, see bluesnews.com, anna kang/id) and id thinks there's not enough interest for Linux to be an supported platform...
no, according to anna kang/id you can download the missing binaries...(win, linux, mac)
Well, I plan on playing Q3A in both Windows and Linux. I'll buy the Linux version (since I want the Linux numbers to look good so they keep developing for Linux), but I can't afford to buy the game twice. Guess I guess I'll have to copy Win32 binaries from somebody else. Honestly, it seems a little miserly of them to require such a thing. I'm willing to shell out 50-60 bucks for a good game, but not 100-120 bucks. I guess you could argue I shouldn't boot into Windows at all, but that's not really feasible for me, unfortunately.
Gotta hand it to slashdot, to be the one and only site that not only repeats stories in an untimely fashion, but doesn't even bother to add some sort of intelligent commentary either.
Redundancy is good for power supplies, and information storage, sometimes even networks.. but NOT electronic news mediums...