I suspect part of the issue is its easier to justify power budgets and not as easy to justify 8000 more per server to upper admins.
Well, it's not that much alone but it's another thing added to the total cost that lowers the price AMD can charge. A Bulldozer uses about 70W more than a 2600K, that's about 600kWh/year. Say 5 years lifetime and 10 cent/kWh and that is $300 more per CPU to operate it, not counting scaling up the power supply or the air conditioning. Compared to $8000 that's little, but as part of the profit margin AMD could have had it's probably a lot. Of course a 2600K wouldn't be in direct competition on the server anyway, but I'm to lazy to look up the appropriate Xeon.
Likely another browser would have emerged to fill the void and encourage competition.
Or it could be like chat, where I used to talk on the open IRC protocol 10-15 years ago but now use MSN's proprietary protocol that other clients with varying degrees of success try to emulate because nobody I want to talk to uses IRC anymore (or Jabber for that matter). It's certainly not impossible that Microsoft would be able to make their own MS-HTTP protocol that'd only work on IIS and IE dominant, particularly if they'd rapidly added some of the features that made Flash so successful. Instead of Firefox, we could have had the browser equivalent of Mono trying to catch up to a standard Microsoft is always two steps ahead of. Hell, it could have been that way if Microsoft had made a serious effort when they had 95% market share rather than let IE6 rot.
Assuming secure boot would work like UAC, which it wouldn't. That you'd have to reboot your machine, enter the BIOS (or well, UEFI), find whatever "enable/disable" switch is there and read a scary warning would be more than enough to stop 99.99% of the people that shouldn't disable it.
I don't even think Microsoft has to be evil here, I think the OEMs will do it all on their own. When have they ever liked people messing with their system config? The short answer is never. As long as they can all do it at once, so that in a few years you won't have a choice about being dragged along they'll do it.
There shouldn't need to be any OS level tweaks because Windows already knows how to schedule for hyper-threading optimally. If BD reported it's true core count properly then no OS level changes would be needed.
Except that hyperthreading quite obviously has one fast thread and one slow thread filling the gaps. In AMDs solution both cores in a module are equal, but they share some resources. To use a car analogy the Intel solution is a one-lane road with pullouts where the hyperthread sneaks from one pullout to the other while there's no traffic while the AMD solution is a two-lane road with one lane chokepoints. Both sorta allow cars to travel simultaneously, but I don't think the optimization would be the same.
Well, it doesn't seem to apply when you get up to supercomputing levels at least. I checked the TOP500 list and it's 76% Intel, 13% AMD. As for Bulldozer, it has serious performance/watt issues even though the performance/price ratio isn't all that bad for a server. On the desktop, Intel hasn't even bothered to make a response except to quietly add a 2700K to their pricing table, with the 2600K left untouched. On the business side (where after all margins fund future R&D) then Sandy Bridge's 216mm2 is much smaller than Bulldozer's 315mm2. Intel can produce almost 50% more in the same die area, in practice the yields probably favor Intel more because the risk of critical defects go up with size. Honestly, I don't think Intel has felt less challenged since the AMD K5 days...
Given the ratio of "professional users" to "toy users" of any technology (from cars to hammers), I'd say that the 7.6% figure is about right. The professional users don't want a toy OS like Windows.
Yeah, that's why no business whose livelihood depend on people getting work done would ever use Windows on the desktop, right? Because that's pretty much the definition of "professional user" from cars to hammers, using it in a profession. Until then you're just a enthusiast or prosumer, no matter how many hours you spend tinkering with your car. I'll leave it up to you to choose who of the people at car shows and taxi drivers are the toy users and who are the professionals...
Yes, but I can think of damn many "no touch" surfaces like monitors, TVs, glasses, picture frames, glass doors, windows and so on that would benefit. It's not like everything has to be touch even though it's the new megahype.
Yep, that's what I was thinking of as well. Plus I'm sure there are other anti-reflection treatments, maybe 0.5% is a new record but it's not like 8% was the best we could do before.
Well I haven't watched that particular trash TV but that I think has more with a fascination that people can be so... shallow. Like Americas dumbest criminals, you watch it for the dumbness not because you're inspired to be like them. When you want entertainment, then the TV that entertains you is the winner. Maybe you should consider that the "better" phone is measuring the wrong thing as well.
Honestly, that isn't worth shit. If you know you're playing the ALAC track and have a preconceived notion that it is better, it will sound better. They've done studies on this and the effect is huge, you absolutely must have a script that plays them at random and only tells you which is which after you've written down the results. Even telling you after the listening test before taking results causes people to modify their response.
That, and you get smarter with time so I'm sure it felt more intelligent relative to yourself back then. If you actually went back and re-read the discussions, the conclusion may be different...
The "excessive diving weights" would probably help though, by the time you run out of oxygen you should be 100m down and it's highly unlikely you can do anything remotely like breathing in a pool.
* No ISDN. A year or two ago Tennessee decided it no longer had to be a tariffed service, and AT&T burned their ships behind them as rapidly as possible, because I was told our CO no longer has ISDN hardware (it did back in 2001-2002).
* No DSL. AT&T has a cluster of SAI cabinets 1 mile from their driveway, but no free ports on their DSLAM, and no intention of adding new ones. I've voluntered to *BUY* them a frickin' VDSL2 DSLAM and give it to them, but I've never heard back from them on that or any of several other offers. AT&T is a bigger information sink than/dev/null
Quite possibly the problem is they don't have room for another DSLAM and that is why they removed the ISDN hardware too, was a serious problem in many centrals here and was why I was without broadband in 2004-2005, the central supported it and I was in range but it was full. Hell, I last heard about it was two-three years ago with the parents of a friend of mine, he had ADSL when he lived there but cancelled when he moved out. When his parents wanted broadband, they were told the central was full and they'd have to wait for someone to stop their subscription - fat chance of that. And it's not that easy to extend a bunker of a phone central, new wiring, new power, building permits and so on. The actual DSLAM is just one part of it.
Chaotic is going too far, then you lose all sorts of predictability. But there's many iterative or positive feedback cycles, for example say if the US think they should be 0.25% below the EU in interest rate and EU think they should be the same. If both are convinced of that the ping-pong can easily go on for several percent, even though nobody really wanted to change it that much. Or you can see Greece now, public economy collapsing => panic cuts in spending => sharp drop in tax revenue => economy collapsing even more. Or the price-wage spiral, people want higher wages because prices are higher, higher wages drive higher prices. A lot of these are driven by relatively small impulses that are amplified enormously.
With all due respect, even with 10-20% unemployed 80-90% of us are not so that robots do all the work is a wild exaggeration. And I'm far from ready to work all day so others won't have to. We could for example cut half an hour off the work day from 7.5 to 7 hours excluding lunch, that would instantly create ca. 7% more jobs. Each job would be worth less, but the unemployed get to work and the rest would get more spare time. As long as there is work I expect it to be shared.
Yes, but the program or that many aren't cut out for that kind of work? Recently there was an article here in Norway (unemployment 3.3%) about a warehouse assistant job, they had hundreds of applicants. Menial labor is pretty much gone, a lot of the bread and butter jobs are going. If you're dealing with complex and specialized problems then underperformers makes things worse. I'm sure you've seen developers wreck havoc on a code base, they're not 50% or 20% as effective, they're a net negative contribution to the team. You can train people for a job but schools show you can't teach everybody to be smart.
This is only one solution to population control that is 100% successful -- affluence. Only poor people can afford to have kids. Rich people don't need them.
I think you got it backwards, in many countries poor people can't afford to not have many kids because if they don't they're screwed as elderly. That old people can live off their retirement benefits and have a modest 1-3 children rather than 4-10 that they used to is what has slowed growth in the west the last 100 years. And if you think western and that children are a huge expense, not so much in poor countries where they're put to work early, no luxuries, inherit clothes and the biggest expense is food to feed them. Of course you do raise another and even larger generation of poorly educated people, but I can understand those who feel they must have many kids to have a decent life.
Actually they've been on a steady quarterly release schedule now for years, one month merge window, two months = 8 weeks of release candidates (RC). If they need more or fewer they simply adjust the length of the merge window, that's the period when all new development of the last months is pulled into the main tree. The release candidates are for QA, bug fixing and regression testing, meanwhile new development continues in branches. The merge window and rc1 can be a little hairy, but rc2+ is normally fine, Linus won't allow crap into any release. So 3.9 would be about two years from now but the way versioning works it'll be followed by 3.10 and 3.11 (unless Linus sees a reason for a 4.0, but it won't be related to going past 3.9...)
What about your money? In principle the government could at any time declare that the bank notes you carry in your bag are no longer money (...) So do you own that money?
The distinction between virtual and physical is rather pointless since the government can also say your land is no longer your land, we just nationalized it. It's not against the law if the government just changed it...
The same way you do in a real world sport, every game would have its own boundaries based on the rules, normal behavior and context. If you enter a boxing tournament there's different rules from a football or golf tournament. Obviously if burglary or being a pickpocket is part of the game, then stealing your shit is fair game. Hacking your account is clearly not part of the game and illegal. Fraud, well there is no crystal clear line of fraud but there isn't one in the real world either. And yet the world managed to work it out fine before the Internet.
If I shoot you with a paintball gun to distract you while you're trying to steal a base, is that a criminal matter, or a civil matter, or a gameplay matter?
Why would those be mutually exclusive? If I break your leg in a way totally unrelated to the game I'd expect criminal assault charges, a civil tort and an immediate expulsion from the game.
According to the example given, I'd also have to conclude that land is not real property either. After all, I cannot just take my land and put it elsewhere.
The point is that the mugs only exist as long as the bar exists, the moment World of Warcraft shuts down all your "virtual property" will cease to exist but your land will not. One of the essential points of a sale as opposed to a license or service or subscription is that the item is permanently transferred into your possession and if the seller should disappear in a puff of smoke immediately afterwards, you still have your item. That is clearly impossible with "virtual property", so how can you really sell it? That doesn't mean it doesn't have value, we have plenty crimes like theft of service that deal with taking non-tangible goods. It's just a matter of what laws would be appropriate to use.
I think you're just trying to be difficult because you can steal the ball on the football field and you can steal the ball outside the football field and nobody would get very confused about what's what. Likewise I doubt anyone would get confused about what is part of a computer game and not.
Actually, I feel doing that right after graduation is quite unusual. Those that want some time to pursue other things usually take it during the education, it's a lot better CV-wise and economically due to the way student loan works under study to spend say 6 years finishing a Master's degree than 5 years and then a year off doing nothing. Pulling any other stunts after that is usually done when you have at least a couple years experience and get back into the job market more easily. Of course in most of Europe I don't think many would do that under any circumstance now. If you have a job, cling to it.
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I suspect part of the issue is its easier to justify power budgets and not as easy to justify 8000 more per server to upper admins.
Well, it's not that much alone but it's another thing added to the total cost that lowers the price AMD can charge. A Bulldozer uses about 70W more than a 2600K, that's about 600kWh/year. Say 5 years lifetime and 10 cent/kWh and that is $300 more per CPU to operate it, not counting scaling up the power supply or the air conditioning. Compared to $8000 that's little, but as part of the profit margin AMD could have had it's probably a lot. Of course a 2600K wouldn't be in direct competition on the server anyway, but I'm to lazy to look up the appropriate Xeon.
Likely another browser would have emerged to fill the void and encourage competition.
Or it could be like chat, where I used to talk on the open IRC protocol 10-15 years ago but now use MSN's proprietary protocol that other clients with varying degrees of success try to emulate because nobody I want to talk to uses IRC anymore (or Jabber for that matter). It's certainly not impossible that Microsoft would be able to make their own MS-HTTP protocol that'd only work on IIS and IE dominant, particularly if they'd rapidly added some of the features that made Flash so successful. Instead of Firefox, we could have had the browser equivalent of Mono trying to catch up to a standard Microsoft is always two steps ahead of. Hell, it could have been that way if Microsoft had made a serious effort when they had 95% market share rather than let IE6 rot.
Assuming secure boot would work like UAC, which it wouldn't. That you'd have to reboot your machine, enter the BIOS (or well, UEFI), find whatever "enable/disable" switch is there and read a scary warning would be more than enough to stop 99.99% of the people that shouldn't disable it.
I don't even think Microsoft has to be evil here, I think the OEMs will do it all on their own. When have they ever liked people messing with their system config? The short answer is never. As long as they can all do it at once, so that in a few years you won't have a choice about being dragged along they'll do it.
There shouldn't need to be any OS level tweaks because Windows already knows how to schedule for hyper-threading optimally. If BD reported it's true core count properly then no OS level changes would be needed.
Except that hyperthreading quite obviously has one fast thread and one slow thread filling the gaps. In AMDs solution both cores in a module are equal, but they share some resources. To use a car analogy the Intel solution is a one-lane road with pullouts where the hyperthread sneaks from one pullout to the other while there's no traffic while the AMD solution is a two-lane road with one lane chokepoints. Both sorta allow cars to travel simultaneously, but I don't think the optimization would be the same.
Well, it doesn't seem to apply when you get up to supercomputing levels at least. I checked the TOP500 list and it's 76% Intel, 13% AMD. As for Bulldozer, it has serious performance/watt issues even though the performance/price ratio isn't all that bad for a server. On the desktop, Intel hasn't even bothered to make a response except to quietly add a 2700K to their pricing table, with the 2600K left untouched. On the business side (where after all margins fund future R&D) then Sandy Bridge's 216mm2 is much smaller than Bulldozer's 315mm2. Intel can produce almost 50% more in the same die area, in practice the yields probably favor Intel more because the risk of critical defects go up with size. Honestly, I don't think Intel has felt less challenged since the AMD K5 days...
Given the ratio of "professional users" to "toy users" of any technology (from cars to hammers), I'd say that the 7.6% figure is about right. The professional users don't want a toy OS like Windows.
Yeah, that's why no business whose livelihood depend on people getting work done would ever use Windows on the desktop, right? Because that's pretty much the definition of "professional user" from cars to hammers, using it in a profession. Until then you're just a enthusiast or prosumer, no matter how many hours you spend tinkering with your car. I'll leave it up to you to choose who of the people at car shows and taxi drivers are the toy users and who are the professionals...
Yes, but I can think of damn many "no touch" surfaces like monitors, TVs, glasses, picture frames, glass doors, windows and so on that would benefit. It's not like everything has to be touch even though it's the new megahype.
Yep, that's what I was thinking of as well. Plus I'm sure there are other anti-reflection treatments, maybe 0.5% is a new record but it's not like 8% was the best we could do before.
Well I haven't watched that particular trash TV but that I think has more with a fascination that people can be so... shallow. Like Americas dumbest criminals, you watch it for the dumbness not because you're inspired to be like them. When you want entertainment, then the TV that entertains you is the winner. Maybe you should consider that the "better" phone is measuring the wrong thing as well.
Honestly, that isn't worth shit. If you know you're playing the ALAC track and have a preconceived notion that it is better, it will sound better. They've done studies on this and the effect is huge, you absolutely must have a script that plays them at random and only tells you which is which after you've written down the results. Even telling you after the listening test before taking results causes people to modify their response.
*hands monoglith a pair of nostalgia glasses*
That, and you get smarter with time so I'm sure it felt more intelligent relative to yourself back then. If you actually went back and re-read the discussions, the conclusion may be different...
The "excessive diving weights" would probably help though, by the time you run out of oxygen you should be 100m down and it's highly unlikely you can do anything remotely like breathing in a pool.
* No ISDN. A year or two ago Tennessee decided it no longer had to be a tariffed service, and AT&T burned their ships behind them as rapidly as possible, because I was told our CO no longer has ISDN hardware (it did back in 2001-2002).
* No DSL. AT&T has a cluster of SAI cabinets 1 mile from their driveway, but no free ports on their DSLAM, and no intention of adding new ones. I've voluntered to *BUY* them a frickin' VDSL2 DSLAM and give it to them, but I've never heard back from them on that or any of several other offers. AT&T is a bigger information sink than /dev/null
Quite possibly the problem is they don't have room for another DSLAM and that is why they removed the ISDN hardware too, was a serious problem in many centrals here and was why I was without broadband in 2004-2005, the central supported it and I was in range but it was full. Hell, I last heard about it was two-three years ago with the parents of a friend of mine, he had ADSL when he lived there but cancelled when he moved out. When his parents wanted broadband, they were told the central was full and they'd have to wait for someone to stop their subscription - fat chance of that. And it's not that easy to extend a bunker of a phone central, new wiring, new power, building permits and so on. The actual DSLAM is just one part of it.
Chaotic is going too far, then you lose all sorts of predictability. But there's many iterative or positive feedback cycles, for example say if the US think they should be 0.25% below the EU in interest rate and EU think they should be the same. If both are convinced of that the ping-pong can easily go on for several percent, even though nobody really wanted to change it that much. Or you can see Greece now, public economy collapsing => panic cuts in spending => sharp drop in tax revenue => economy collapsing even more. Or the price-wage spiral, people want higher wages because prices are higher, higher wages drive higher prices. A lot of these are driven by relatively small impulses that are amplified enormously.
With all due respect, even with 10-20% unemployed 80-90% of us are not so that robots do all the work is a wild exaggeration. And I'm far from ready to work all day so others won't have to. We could for example cut half an hour off the work day from 7.5 to 7 hours excluding lunch, that would instantly create ca. 7% more jobs. Each job would be worth less, but the unemployed get to work and the rest would get more spare time. As long as there is work I expect it to be shared.
Yes, but the program or that many aren't cut out for that kind of work? Recently there was an article here in Norway (unemployment 3.3%) about a warehouse assistant job, they had hundreds of applicants. Menial labor is pretty much gone, a lot of the bread and butter jobs are going. If you're dealing with complex and specialized problems then underperformers makes things worse. I'm sure you've seen developers wreck havoc on a code base, they're not 50% or 20% as effective, they're a net negative contribution to the team. You can train people for a job but schools show you can't teach everybody to be smart.
I love how you say he got it backwards, then state a double-negative that, once parsed, has precisely the same meaning. XD
No.
Only poor people can afford to have kids.
This implies the poor may or may not have kids, while the rich can't.
Only poor people can't afford to not have kids
This implies the poor must have kids, while the rich may or may not have kids.
When you use exclusivity then a double negative does not parse as the same at all.
This is only one solution to population control that is 100% successful -- affluence. Only poor people can afford to have kids. Rich people don't need them.
I think you got it backwards, in many countries poor people can't afford to not have many kids because if they don't they're screwed as elderly. That old people can live off their retirement benefits and have a modest 1-3 children rather than 4-10 that they used to is what has slowed growth in the west the last 100 years. And if you think western and that children are a huge expense, not so much in poor countries where they're put to work early, no luxuries, inherit clothes and the biggest expense is food to feed them. Of course you do raise another and even larger generation of poorly educated people, but I can understand those who feel they must have many kids to have a decent life.
Actually they've been on a steady quarterly release schedule now for years, one month merge window, two months = 8 weeks of release candidates (RC). If they need more or fewer they simply adjust the length of the merge window, that's the period when all new development of the last months is pulled into the main tree. The release candidates are for QA, bug fixing and regression testing, meanwhile new development continues in branches. The merge window and rc1 can be a little hairy, but rc2+ is normally fine, Linus won't allow crap into any release. So 3.9 would be about two years from now but the way versioning works it'll be followed by 3.10 and 3.11 (unless Linus sees a reason for a 4.0, but it won't be related to going past 3.9...)
What about your money? In principle the government could at any time declare that the bank notes you carry in your bag are no longer money (...) So do you own that money?
The distinction between virtual and physical is rather pointless since the government can also say your land is no longer your land, we just nationalized it. It's not against the law if the government just changed it...
The same way you do in a real world sport, every game would have its own boundaries based on the rules, normal behavior and context. If you enter a boxing tournament there's different rules from a football or golf tournament. Obviously if burglary or being a pickpocket is part of the game, then stealing your shit is fair game. Hacking your account is clearly not part of the game and illegal. Fraud, well there is no crystal clear line of fraud but there isn't one in the real world either. And yet the world managed to work it out fine before the Internet.
If I shoot you with a paintball gun to distract you while you're trying to steal a base, is that a criminal matter, or a civil matter, or a gameplay matter?
Why would those be mutually exclusive? If I break your leg in a way totally unrelated to the game I'd expect criminal assault charges, a civil tort and an immediate expulsion from the game.
According to the example given, I'd also have to conclude that land is not real property either. After all, I cannot just take my land and put it elsewhere.
The point is that the mugs only exist as long as the bar exists, the moment World of Warcraft shuts down all your "virtual property" will cease to exist but your land will not. One of the essential points of a sale as opposed to a license or service or subscription is that the item is permanently transferred into your possession and if the seller should disappear in a puff of smoke immediately afterwards, you still have your item. That is clearly impossible with "virtual property", so how can you really sell it? That doesn't mean it doesn't have value, we have plenty crimes like theft of service that deal with taking non-tangible goods. It's just a matter of what laws would be appropriate to use.
I think you're just trying to be difficult because you can steal the ball on the football field and you can steal the ball outside the football field and nobody would get very confused about what's what. Likewise I doubt anyone would get confused about what is part of a computer game and not.
Actually, I feel doing that right after graduation is quite unusual. Those that want some time to pursue other things usually take it during the education, it's a lot better CV-wise and economically due to the way student loan works under study to spend say 6 years finishing a Master's degree than 5 years and then a year off doing nothing. Pulling any other stunts after that is usually done when you have at least a couple years experience and get back into the job market more easily. Of course in most of Europe I don't think many would do that under any circumstance now. If you have a job, cling to it.