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'Invisible Glass' Solves Screen Reflection Problems
An anonymous reader writes "The days of dealing with very reflective glass panels may soon be behind us. Nippon Electric Glass has used the FPD International 2011 conference in Japan this week to show off its new 'invisible glass' panel. What NEG has done is added anti-reflection films to both the front and back of the glass that are only nanometers thick. Look at a typical sheet of glass and you will see about 8% of the light reflected off of it. With NEG's anti-reflection film in place, that is reduced to just 0.5%."
has told me that I want a highly reflective screen!
That's a really cool coating, but will it be destroyed the first time you have to wipe off dust/fingerprints/etc...? I've had this problem with anti-reflective coatings in the past, especially when they get wet for some reason.
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Oh, I can't wait for this to show up on phones and tablets! It is probably my #1 complaint about modern capacitive touchscreens. For example, I could use my Xoom as a mirror, before applying an anti-glare film on it. And films are hard to apply, sometimes not pretty, and sometimes reduce the touch sensitivity.
I'm sure Apple will love this!
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"According to the U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service, up to 1 billion birds may be killed annually by colliding with windows."
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After all - existing screens aren't that shiny until they put TruBright(TM) or Ultrabright(TM) or AmazaView(TM) or BlindUView(TM) coating of crap on them.
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I am typing this from a 13" glossy Macbook Pro, and I think there's a misunderstanding about why people buy glossy screens. The glossy screen is the perfect Apple screen because I can simultaneously see the two most important things in the world: the blog I'm reading, and myself. Always myself.
We all know that the perfect monitor screen resembles (or should resemble) a highly polished mirror, and that the viewing of films, games, software or the web is a secondary effect that some people find occasionally useful.
So with that in mind, how is this technology a step forwards again?
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Now I can really watch my neighbors without having my own dirty looks reflected back at me.
Poor birds
...and they brought us transparent glass. What's next, non-floating bricks?
Sorry about the mess.
for GLORIOUS NIPPON!
Why do we need protection screens at all? Can't they make the actual screens hardy enough to survive relatively rough usage?
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I don't think we all know that. In fact, I'm pretty sure that no one outside of your bizarre fever dream knows that.
Is this a troll? I'm confused. It's a step forward because there's less glare, and no one wants glare in windows.
Nobody likes matte! Everyone likes the shiny!
God, I hate what has become of the industry, shiny this, shiny that. SHINY ISN'T FUNCTIONAL IN ANYTHING BUT A MIRROR.
YES, CARS TOO. MATTE BLACK > ALL, SO I CAN RUN PEOPLE OVER WITH SHINY TABLETS IN THE NIGHT... er wait, that won't work, hipsters and shinefreaks are afraid of the dark.
I'm sick of ignorant people saying wind power is a threat to birds; windows are a far greater threat. Just where are the estimates for the damage coal does to birds (and everything else?) Hell, asthma rates here are about 50x what they were 40 years ago and the warnings about eating local fish went from a few per week in the 90s to a few per month today (and they NEVER make the connection as to why when they report it in the TV news.)
I don't think anybody should get out of high school without understanding density, mass, and gravity! Somehow people fail to grasp the concept of 1 lb of tiny coal turning into a HUGE volume of gas (let alone the chemistry involved that actually cause it to gain weight.) We have unlimited air is the belief; thinking its like invisible land or something; completely ignoring its density.
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I think he is commenting on the recent trend of displays moving to glossy screens where in the past this was not a desired feature. In fact, I have found the trend towards glossy screens a step backward as well. Sometimes you end up seeing yourself staring back at you more than what's supposed to be on the screen. Hence the sarcasm about displays evolving to a perfect mirror.
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... until some asshole uses this to cause people to run into glass doors/plates/windows?
The reason I ask is - is this regular, breakable glass, or can you put some Gorilla Glass on top of it? And if you did, would it then become reflective again? Can this new extra-transparent glass be made extra-hard like Gorilla Glass?
I think even if it can't, and if you can't put Gorilla Glass on top of it without losing your extra-transparency, I'd still prefer this on my cellphone/tablet. At least that's not a worry on monitors.
Even some old CRTs had anti-reflection coatings. That quality of coating is offered for years for good optics. So what is new here, maybe a high quality coating for an affordable price?
Oh you're right, I don't buy glossy so it kinda went over my head.
Is there any idea as to the cost of these coatings?
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When people start using this stuff for windows in buildings, I wonder how the bird population will be affected....
And if I'm wondering that now, you know PETA will jump on it later. Hmmmm
-imagines typical naughty imagery they use somehow involving invisible glass this time-
This might be worth it after all. Kill the birds!!
They're easier to read when the sun is shining on them than matte ones!
And dogs everywhere cringe at this announcement. I know that my dog will hate me if this ever makes it to consumer windows.
In fact, I'm pretty sure that no one outside of your bizarre fever dream knows that.
Bingo. Yes I (lucid) dream about this most nights and await the day when monitor manufacturers wake up to my reality. For now, I've resorted to buying tailor-made mirrors to cover the TV and 2 monitors we have in this house. Friends remark at how wonderfully new and high-tech they look all the time, and I'm inclined to agree. That's what it's all about.
But I would do anything to have them pre-installed like this to begin with.
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The reflection problem was solved on old monitors by having a convex screen.
People would be more likely to fail to see a glass door if it has anti-reflective film, resulting in them walking face-first into it and hurting themselves and possibly also damaging the door.
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1. AR (anti-reflection) coatings have been available on photographic lenses for decades. Even the ultra tiny lenses in your iPhone/Blackberry/Android phone have AR coating. AR coatings are *always* nanometers thick, by their very nature.
2. AR coatings have been available on eyeglass lenses for nearly as long. Most people these days get some sort of AR coating on their lenses.
3. AR coatings have been available on framing glass to protect valuable paintings, photographs, and other items in picture frames for the same scale of time. Drop by your local framing / art supply store and check out what's usually called museum glass.
4. AR coatings were used on nearly every CRT by the time sales started to plummet in favor of the LCD. I use a couple of them in my lab to this day.
5. AR coatings are already available on some laptop screens (eg, by Sony and Samsung, no doubt among others).
So, news about a new technology ("Solves Screen Reflection Problems")? No. Product announcement? Yes.
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So.... How close are we to getting transparent Aluminum?
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And I never saw such problems. I had a great pair, anti-glare, transition lenses, etc. The works. Indeed, I had that pair for a good five years without any issues. It even survived my backpack - by no means a small feat. In fact, it is on my to-do list to order another - once I find frames I like.
to walking into the patio door, and finally the dream of invisible doors will become reality :)
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General dynamics - itronix developed an anti glare display viewable in direct sunlight. It was pretty amazing, they called it dynavue. I'm not sure what happened, but they were supposed to lease the tech out to othe manufacturers.
Uh, yeah, the GP said "window" not "wind" (I see how you could get those two mixed up). I do, however, agree with you. I'm not saying we should get rid of coal-fired plants, but we should also have wind turbines, solar panels, and nuclear power as well. Energy diversity is the key to all of this.
Would the anti-reflection film cause issues for the light emitted by the display making it through the glass, or would it actually help and make the output even crisper?
I could only imagine that this glass would only make the display more crisp like that of an open LCD laptop display. There is less reflection of the light going on meaning more of the light is just coming through the glass. This means the display you are seeing is less obstructed by the glass.
The only problem, I would think, is that it could make smudges and other outside obstructions much more of a problem. It would provide a sharper contrast between the smudge and the display and sharp contrast is far worse than general fuzziness.
This is going to be a real hit with the birds.
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I don't think anybody should get out of high school without understanding density, mass, and gravity! Somehow people fail to grasp the concept of 1 lb of tiny coal turning into a HUGE volume of gas (let alone the chemistry involved that actually cause it to gain weight.) We have unlimited air is the belief; thinking its like invisible land or something; completely ignoring its density.
How would a firm grasp of density, mass, and gravity help understand how burning a pound of coal results in around 3 pounds of CO2? Does burning it make gravity around the dense mass of coal more intense?
No, not a car analogy. Just cars.
Will this help make it so I can drive home in the evening without damn near going blind from the sun's reflection on every rear windshield of every car in front of me?
I can't believe that all these years later we've made cars that can park and even drive themselves but we can't make a windshield that won't nearly blind other drivers twice a day.
Or, for that matter, why don't we have some freaking intelligent sunshades on cars instead of that flappy thing from 1940 still hanging there with the only apparent purpose being "key storage movie prop."
Face tracking + GPS = knowing the exact position of the sun and the exact angle its light should be coming from to enter your eyes. Now take that middle layer of glass in a windshield and make it possible to darken segments of it by use of electrical current or something and make a car that can auto-shade that part of the fucking glass so I can see where I'm going without having to hold my hand up like an idiot waving "HI!" to the sun.
Somebody invent this so I can give you my money.
Coal is mostly carbon. Carbon weighs about 12 g/mol *.
To burn, coal requires oxygen. Oxygen is found in the air. Oxygen has an atomic weight of about 16 g/mol and is found in the form of O2, which weighs twice as much, 32 g/mol.
1 mol C + 1 mol O2 => 1 mol CO2 *
CO2 weighs about 44 g/mol, or about 3.66 times the weight of carbon.
How could burning 1 pound of coal result in 3 pounds of CO2? Well, apparently the coal was only about 82% pure carbon.
* The mole, abbreviated "mol", is just a number of atoms or molecules. A very large number. It's a constant. As a matter of fact, it's exactly defined to be the number of atoms of C-12 in 12 grams of pure carbon-12. So that equation is perfectly balanced; there are equal numbers of molecules of C and O on both sides.
Just because there is a bigger threat, doesn't mean all other threats should be ignored.
And wind isn't very efficient, or a solution. It's a nice local add.
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How does it compare to transparent aluminum?
Screw smartphones and tablets. I want this for my backyard door. Time to hide a video camera and invite some friends over for drinks!
Somehow people fail to grasp the concept of 1 lb of tiny coal turning into a HUGE volume of gas
Matter doesn't expand when it transitions from solid or liquid to gas -- pistons just move to get away from the fire.
"Ahh, fire!"
"Oh, whew."
"Ahh, fire!"
I once bought an anti-reflective film for a very glossy monitor that was used in a conference room and once I put it on, I found I could perfectly well see the face of the person sitting on the other side of the table. I called tech support and they told me that if I wanted to get rid of reflections, I needed to buy an anti-glare film, not an anti-reflective film. I went "huh?" and they sent me a new film -- now I see a fuzzy silhouette of the person sitting on the other side of the table, which is better than a razor sharp image, but whatever.
So I'm not to impressed with anti-reflective technology right now.
Oh great! I can see the results when someone gets the idea that t would be a good idea to apply this film to glass doors! People already are walking into glass doors.
...didn't see that one coming.
This should be installed on every glass door and floor-length window in every shop, mall and office building in the world...
...with hilarious results.
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Some people are forgetting that low-reflectivity is not the only factor in making good glass. Anti-Glare is only as good as the glass transparency. The images provided in the article are very poor quality, preventing you from comparing the leaves. I'm sure many of you have seen this firsthand on a smartphone with cheap protective film on it.
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Me, for instance. I can bring anything I want into court, if I show my city employee's ID badge.
So with glass that's not very reflective, we're all going to end up like flies rebounding off our closed french doors.. you can expect a raft more caught on camera series'!
But then, you still can't stop kid/dog slobber showing up the glass, who would've thought that would end up being useful!
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I don't see how you could get those two mixed up. I didn't. I keep hearing from people bashing wind power claiming it kills birds but WINDOWS kill way more birds than wind power ever could. So next we get MORE invisible glass to kill MORE birds???? It probably isn't even an issue because coal corps will not be making it into an issue.
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The thing about matt screens is that they may scatter reflected light so it isn't as shiny, but that also means some of the emitted light gets scattered, it makes a small but noticeable difference to the brightness and contrast of the screen.
Read the summary, it is a coating that goes on the top and bottom of the glass, it will most likely be able to be used on Gorilla Glass. The question is, will it scratch off easily and how will that make the surface look.
If you live near a coal plant, no one wants it there. Now, nuclear and "renewables" are the better path.
Which makes me wonder, what qualifies something as renewable?
Tidal: you are slowing down the moon and the earth by harvesting that energy (just not very fast)
Wind: powered by the sun, which isn't permanent
Solar: see wind
Nuclear: powered by former suns, will last a damn long time if we reprocess
Coal: created from compress plants, just as renewable as tidal/wind/solar, but takes many years
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
That is getting much harder now. Just as all the manufacturers are getting rid of 4x3 and 16x10 displays in favor of everything being the 16x9 of 1080p.
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?