For all of the people saying that this will make it easier to pirate video.. I don't really think so.
Our imaginary TiVo pirate will pay $300 or so for the box, $100 for the network interface, $10 a month subscription. Plus he will void his potentially-valuable warranty, and spend hours of time setting up the system. And he'll have to reencode his MPEG's to fix artifact problems. Other technical difficulties will ensue.
All this will give him some of the capabilities he would have had with a $250 Dazzle DV Creator II... except that the DDV2 would actually WORK (valid files, for instance) right off the bat, and provide higher quality video, support for popular codecs like RealMedia.... etc. (Disclaimer: I picked a midrange video capture card at random, I don't own one of these and I'm not endorsing them)
This hack is pretty cool. But it has appeal only for hackers, not pirates. People that have the knowledge, time and motivation to do this trick are not going to seriously bother to spend all day distributing movies over their cable modems. They will have more interesting problems to solve, and much better ways to get respect. And the pir8 skr1p+ |1dd13z types will spend their allowance money on a cheap video capture card that works in Windows, like normal people. In case you [the reader] are clueless or just haven't ever used IRC, allow me to inform you that about 99 percent of the video pirates out there are running a Windows machine.
It will be a sad day if TiVo does not see this and decides to litigate or otherwise be a pain in the ass. Hopefully TiVo will realize (before the "everybody loses" scenario occurs) that actually acting against the community, as opposed to making a little noise for the media, would be pointless and rude. This type of thing can generate publicity which sells units. The more units, the more money. That's what they care about, right?
Thanks for the vote of confidence, but I'm actually a 20something engineering professional and I know a lot about contract law. I know a lot of other people that read Slashdot too. None of them are teenage code monkeys either. Just thought we should clear that up. You think you're talking to "teenage code monkeys" but you're really talking to mostly real adult people.
It's espescially funny that you say "not to offend anybody" at the beginning -- you are making a generalization you can not defend about a group of people you do not understand, but you don't want us to get offended. And you are accusing the original poster of being too dumb to tell good ideas from bad ones. But thanks for caring about our feelings, Adam.
*Before* calling a lawyer, our querant might want to ask what opinions and options are out there from different perspectives. Some of it won't apply, some will. But at least he'll have some more ideas, which he can discuss with his lawyer. And he will have anecdotal evidence from other people in a similar situation.
It's up to him what to believe and what to pay attention to. That's what this is all about. Get a bunch of amateur opinions, and you'll have a bunch of good and bad ideas. It's left up to the reader to sort them out. The reader must be smart enough to not believe everything s/he reads. Nobody needs to tell them that some of these posts are BS. Everyone knows that already.
Ahem, screw you buddy. I wrote some versions of said proxy and I don't appreciate you calling me "lame". It would not have served the best interests of SCUR's customers to constantly release new versions of that software to cope with new types of web based proxies, which may store their link parameters in many different ways (including encrypted or MD4 digested). Also, examining additional data in the request body and/or response before making a block/don't-block decision would impact high-load performance.
The companies using SmartFilter mostly don't care that their employees could not browse using anonymizers (except for the company's own proxy server which does a fine job) -- and anyone who needed to could easily exempt a couple of anonymizers, or even just allow certain people to access those sites.
By the way I am not currently employed by SCUR and any viewpoints expressed in this message have nothing to do with Secure Computing's position on anything. Jerk.
If you are *never accepting cookies* that's different from just deleting the one you already have. You can just erase your old Amazon customer cookie, then accept a new one. After that, you will be treated as a new user and will have a new discount assigned. I've heard that you may have to try this multiple times to get the lowest price.
RMS has to give his blessing because he effectively controls the copyright for all FSF software. And he clearly states that the other copyright holders should do the same. What's the problem? The KDE people are way too touchy over this. Gawd.
If you were using "pump" to get your address assigned (the default DHCP client in RH52 for instance) it won't work with @Home's DHCP servers. You've got to use a newer DHCP client like "dhcpcd", and include your system's hostname "C-7478298" on the command line.
The security of Beam-it was not why they got in hot water. It was the lack of control of the medium -- media companies today seem to think that they must control the entire listening experience, end-to-end. So someone listening to music in an unapproved fashion makes them very uncomfortable, an' then they gots to start doin' some lawyerin'.
Take one high grade audio tape made on a decent tape deck, 10 years ago. It will sound one HELL of a lot better than a 128kbps MP3. Even at 192Kbps (which there aren't a lot of on Napster), the low bass and high treble is barely there. For stuff I'm going to play back just to sit back and enjoy listening to, I'd much rather have a tiny bit of background hiss than miss out on whole frequency bands.
MP3 is great for listening at work over these little speakers, or maybe for jogging or something. You stated that you cannot tell the difference between your 128Kbps MP3s and CDs. No audiophile would make such an inane statement -- maybe you'd better get some higher grade monitors.
FYI, Linux != Unix . I suspect that the poster was not actually ignorant, and that he was referring to the fact that Napster servers do NOT run on Unix.
It really *was* on topic -- just thinking about bitch-slapping ol' Jon Katz reminded me of the isolated feeling I get because I can't bitch-slap him through an email.
If it weren't for all this electronic networked communication, I could go see Jon in person, say on a lecture tour, (since he wouldn't be wasting any more of that valuable face to face time on the 'net!) and bitch-slap him. It's little things like this -- hugs, looking into people's eyes, smacking around Jon Katz -- that make me nostalgic for the old days.
I mean, even back only as far as BBS times, you could usually find out where someone lives, drive to their house and bitch-slap them. But these days, with an international high speed public network, it's not practical and frequently not even *possible* to socially interact face to face with online acquaintances and bitch-slap them.
re: 1 I've done that before, but never forgot about code I wrote while drunk. wow.:) maybe that's one for the MAS section of the purity test?
re: 2 Allow me to correct you: YOU can't code effectively when YOU'RE high. I've never had a problem. Remember, different people, different effects, espescially with weed.
re: 3 last time I coded on acid it was a mess, I got extremely stressed out by the freakin pointers, and then I forgot to save about 3 hours worth of work right before my computer crashed. never again.. btw to all the curious people, I highly recommend against doing any sort of crappy paper street acid -- anything but perfectly pure lsd-25 is a waste of your brain. and so is doing it too much. IMHO (IANADoP*) most of the positive long term effects, what some would call "mind-expanding", are from finding out what it's like the first time, and for many people it's downhill from there. This is also a very good argument to not try it yet if you are still young and your brain is developing. You'll get the most out of it if used on a mature mind.
* - I am not a doctor or psychologist, and reading this message does not constitute doing the necessary research on LSD or any other drug before deciding if you want to try it.
Oh, I don't know. Back in my college days I used to spend many entire nights coding in the dungeon at Berkeley, and when I started to get distracted, or felt like I needed to go home -- what I really needed was to finish up! -- I would go take a 5 minute walk around the Soda building, stretch my legs and smoke a bowl. When I got back in, my brain felt freshened, I got more interested in the code, I was less stressed and more relaxed.
And another thing, I got patient. I'd take my time, restructure code whenever I didn't like how it looked, and comment all over the place (frequently humorous, but always informative). I most certainly did not have to "clean it up over a cup of coffee in the morning". Besides -- morning was for sleeping.
You are generalizing the effects of marijuana as they apply to you, or to somebody you know. You don't know what it does to me and a lot of other people out there. I used to smoke out before my diff eq and other math classes 'cause it helped me pay attention through the parts that would have been boring (too slow for me) if I was sober.
If you'll notice, I said you could run Linux and XFree86. I didn't say anything about running applications, except that you could run them on a faster remote machine over the network.
I think you just agreed with me while saying "bullcrap".
> Sure, the encryption algorithm is a piece of > shit, but do you even know how it works? I > would doubt that.
Does it matter? (and do you know any more about it than he does?)
> you could simply copy bit by bit onto a DVD-R
Actually, consumer DVD writer hardware doesn't allow you to read or write the key section of the disc without "unlocking" the drive first.
> You could in fact do this to your hard disk.
.. But then you'd have unplayable encrypted data on your hard disk (with no key info). The point is that to copy the MPEG to your hard drive or anywhere in a usable format, you need DeCSS.
> There are many MANY ways of copying a DVD.
Actually, there aren't too many ways that leave you with a second playable DVD. But DeCSSing it and writing it out *unencrypted* is probably the easiest and best, and doesn't require special hardware that's unavailable to the end user.
> Simply stop being stupid, talk like this will > only HURT the situation.
I agree that people talking about "pirating" (I hate that term) with DeCSS may be harmful to the situation. And you are right that DeCSS is much more relevant as the beginning of a Linux compatible DVD player. And the person he's replying to is very possibly an MPAA contracted troll. But get the facts straight.
Are you implying that this person might negligently cause the death of his digital video disc due to lack of "proper tools"? That is extremely unlikely.
And by the way, If a swiss army knife was all that was available (no DVD players around for Linux), I'd tell the doc to go right ahead.
I can run Linux and XFree86 in high res on a 486 with 8 megs of RAM, no problem. Reasonable performance. Internet connectivity. And I can run applications on another computer over a LAN. In fact it can be squeezed into 4M on a 386. Try that with Windows NT. Or even Win 95/98/2k. And ask yourself if the system is "usable".
1. don't ask us what words mean. look up the word. there are these funny things called "search engines" that can help you if you don't know how to look up a word.
2. your annoying three line advertisement signature appears *TWICE* at the bottom of your posts. and to top it off, you insult our intelligence by saying you are not "advertising just to advertise". Every one of your posts is little more than an ad.
lose the "free advertising". you want ads on slashdot? pay for a banner, or do something interesting enough to make it news (sorry, registering domain names for $45 fails that test). and don't post unless you have something to say. maybe then people will take you seriously. sheesh.
When I was enrolled in CS at U.C. Berkeley a few years ago, I frequently partnered with the few women around for group projects. All of the CS-major women I worked with were intelligent, friendly, and could code up a storm, even after being up until 4 in the morning. None of them got by with doing less than the males in their classes.
On the other hand, it seemed like the male students were much more likely to miss team meetings and lean on their partners at the last minute. But I'll attribute that to the fact that the women were showing off, since they were attracted to me for my macho coding skillz.;) ("Do you think I'm sexy, baby? Do you?" -AP)
Okay, that last bit might not be true. But anyhow I'd like to send out a ROWRRR!!! to the talented and lovely women in Cal CS and math.
In order to avoid "distributing" the software but still giving copies out, you'd have to make each person who had a copy an employee or contractor of the corporation in question. The cost of doing this would be immense (paperwork, taxes, etc).
For instance, in order for any employee of a private company to use any "company software" on their home computer, the company would have to "distribute" and [sub]license it to them (if permitted to do so). IANAL so I am not sure if the same applies for a person acting as the agent for a corporation.
Will you PLEASE stop responding to this guy's troll!??!?!? It just encourages him.
This is one of the most non-broken web sites I've ever been to. I've never gotten a 5xx error code from Slashdot, ever, after visiting several times a day for more than a year. Chances are, neither have you or this troller, who has posted this same message dozens of times on practically every discussion. Note that he never says what he was doing or gives a reproducable scenario for these "problems".
And NOTE THE "ANTI-ROB" TROLL SIGNATURE CODE: "the same lack of technical skill that prevents you from overhauling"... "your moral and ethical shortcomings"... "hundreds of your patrons now hate you"
Next time you connect via a different network card, try waiting about 20-30 minutes. Whenever I switch which computer is connected to my cable modem, it takes about that long for their ethernet address to ip address tables to refresh.
silly troll, you're thinking of semispherical glasses.
we're not talking about champagne or champagne glasses here. this is GUINNESS in A PINT GLASS (apologies to apg). the glass is cylindrical, and the effect is as described on the site. In fact the smaller bubbles are kind of being "crammed" downwards by the force of larger and more buoyant bubbles rising through the center of the glass. nooch.
I have fangs. Got 'em from my mother. Not quite wolfman style, but they rip apart meat just fine.
Our intestines are actually longer than many carnivores. Perhaps you mean this in terms of weight ratio to length, or some other equally meaningless statistic.
You say that humans are "the only carnivores [sic] that have difficulty in pre-digesting meat in the stomach, unless meat is regularly consumed". That is because we are omnivores, not carnivores. Carnivores just plain DIE if meat is not "regularly consumed". Your claim that "the stomach doesn't not [sic] initially contain the enzymes to break down meat" is total BS. The enzymes are present in force unless they are not used for a long period of time, in which case production stops until the person starts eating meat again. One possible conclusion to arise out of this is that your body loses digestive flexibility unless you eat meat occasionally.
The only people I've ever heard say that the human body was not designed to consume meat were die-hard vegetarians. Luckily, most usually get over their overzealous disregard for the actual facts, and admit that they are veg[etari]an for religious, personal or diet control reasons -- instead of avoiding meat because it's "not natural" to eat.
When I get hungry, I sometimes start to picture myself going out and killing some animal, cutting it apart, and eating it. That's a rather brutal type of feeling, actually. I'm no brute, but I know where it comes from. It's called "instinct" and it's perfectly natural.
If I ever got really hungry and was too far away from a supermarket or didn't have money, that's exactly what I'd do. Oh year, and pick berries too. 'Cause berries are often sweet and delicious, and venison beats the h-ll out of eating grubs any day.
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For all of the people saying that this will make it easier to pirate video.. I don't really think so.
Our imaginary TiVo pirate will pay $300 or so for the box, $100 for the network interface, $10 a month subscription. Plus he will void his potentially-valuable warranty, and spend hours of time setting up the system. And he'll have to reencode his MPEG's to fix artifact problems. Other technical difficulties will ensue.
All this will give him some of the capabilities he would have had with a $250 Dazzle DV Creator II... except that the DDV2 would actually WORK (valid files, for instance) right off the bat, and provide higher quality video, support for popular codecs like RealMedia.... etc. (Disclaimer: I picked a midrange video capture card at random, I don't own one of these and I'm not endorsing them)
This hack is pretty cool. But it has appeal only for hackers, not pirates. People that have the knowledge, time and motivation to do this trick are not going to seriously bother to spend all day distributing movies over their cable modems. They will have more interesting problems to solve, and much better ways to get respect. And the pir8 skr1p+ |1dd13z types will spend their allowance money on a cheap video capture card that works in Windows, like normal people. In case you [the reader] are clueless or just haven't ever used IRC, allow me to inform you that about 99 percent of the video pirates out there are running a Windows machine.
It will be a sad day if TiVo does not see this and decides to litigate or otherwise be a pain in the ass. Hopefully TiVo will realize (before the "everybody loses" scenario occurs) that actually acting against the community, as opposed to making a little noise for the media, would be pointless and rude. This type of thing can generate publicity which sells units. The more units, the more money. That's what they care about, right?
Thanks for the vote of confidence, but I'm actually a 20something engineering professional and I know a lot about contract law. I know a lot of other people that read Slashdot too. None of them are teenage code monkeys either. Just thought we should clear that up. You think you're talking to "teenage code monkeys" but you're really talking to mostly real adult people.
It's espescially funny that you say "not to offend anybody" at the beginning -- you are making a generalization you can not defend about a group of people you do not understand, but you don't want us to get offended. And you are accusing the original poster of being too dumb to tell good ideas from bad ones. But thanks for caring about our feelings, Adam.
*Before* calling a lawyer, our querant might want to ask what opinions and options are out there from different perspectives. Some of it won't apply, some will. But at least he'll have some more ideas, which he can discuss with his lawyer. And he will have anecdotal evidence from other people in a similar situation.
It's up to him what to believe and what to pay attention to. That's what this is all about. Get a bunch of amateur opinions, and you'll have a bunch of good and bad ideas. It's left up to the reader to sort them out. The reader must be smart enough to not believe everything s/he reads. Nobody needs to tell them that some of these posts are BS. Everyone knows that already.
Ahem, screw you buddy. I wrote some versions of said proxy and I don't appreciate you calling me "lame". It would not have served the best interests of SCUR's customers to constantly release new versions of that software to cope with new types of web based proxies, which may store their link parameters in many different ways (including encrypted or MD4 digested). Also, examining additional data in the request body and/or response before making a block/don't-block decision would impact high-load performance.
The companies using SmartFilter mostly don't care that their employees could not browse using anonymizers (except for the company's own proxy server which does a fine job) -- and anyone who needed to could easily exempt a couple of anonymizers, or even just allow certain people to access those sites.
By the way I am not currently employed by SCUR and any viewpoints expressed in this message have nothing to do with Secure Computing's position on anything. Jerk.
If you are *never accepting cookies* that's different from just deleting the one you already have. You can just erase your old Amazon customer cookie, then accept a new one. After that, you will be treated as a new user and will have a new discount assigned. I've heard that you may have to try this multiple times to get the lowest price.
RMS has to give his blessing because he effectively controls the copyright for all FSF software. And he clearly states that the other copyright holders should do the same. What's the problem? The KDE people are way too touchy over this. Gawd.
If you were using "pump" to get your address assigned (the default DHCP client in RH52 for instance) it won't work with @Home's DHCP servers. You've got to use a newer DHCP client like "dhcpcd", and include your system's hostname "C-7478298" on the command line.
Yuck, you actually use that crappy excuse for a "hello world" win32 app? EMACS all the way, baby.
The security of Beam-it was not why they got in hot water. It was the lack of control of the medium -- media companies today seem to think that they must control the entire listening experience, end-to-end. So someone listening to music in an unapproved fashion makes them very uncomfortable, an' then they gots to start doin' some lawyerin'.
hey Mr. High Grade Studio Monitors....
Take one high grade audio tape made on a decent tape deck, 10 years ago. It will sound one HELL of a lot better than a 128kbps MP3. Even at 192Kbps (which there aren't a lot of on Napster), the low bass and high treble is barely there. For stuff I'm going to play back just to sit back and enjoy listening to, I'd much rather have a tiny bit of background hiss than miss out on whole frequency bands.
MP3 is great for listening at work over these little speakers, or maybe for jogging or something. You stated that you cannot tell the difference between your 128Kbps MP3s and CDs. No audiophile would make such an inane statement -- maybe you'd better get some higher grade monitors.
FYI, Linux != Unix . I suspect that the poster was not actually ignorant, and that he was referring to the fact that Napster servers do NOT run on Unix.
It really *was* on topic -- just thinking about bitch-slapping ol' Jon Katz reminded me of the isolated feeling I get because I can't bitch-slap him through an email.
:)
If it weren't for all this electronic networked communication, I could go see Jon in person, say on a lecture tour, (since he wouldn't be wasting any more of that valuable face to face time on the 'net!) and bitch-slap him. It's little things like this -- hugs, looking into people's eyes, smacking around Jon Katz -- that make me nostalgic for the old days.
I mean, even back only as far as BBS times, you could usually find out where someone lives, drive to their house and bitch-slap them. But these days, with an international high speed public network, it's not practical and frequently not even *possible* to socially interact face to face with online acquaintances and bitch-slap them.
Hi Jon!
re: 1 :) maybe that's one for the MAS section of the purity test?
I've done that before, but never forgot about code I wrote while drunk. wow.
re: 2
Allow me to correct you: YOU can't code effectively when YOU'RE high. I've never had a problem. Remember, different people, different effects, espescially with weed.
re: 3
last time I coded on acid it was a mess, I got extremely stressed out by the freakin pointers, and then I forgot to save about 3 hours worth of work right before my computer crashed. never again.. btw to all the curious people, I highly recommend against doing any sort of crappy paper street acid -- anything but perfectly pure lsd-25 is a waste of your brain. and so is doing it too much. IMHO (IANADoP*) most of the positive long term effects, what some would call "mind-expanding", are from finding out what it's like the first time, and for many people it's downhill from there. This is also a very good argument to not try it yet if you are still young and your brain is developing. You'll get the most out of it if used on a mature mind.
* - I am not a doctor or psychologist, and reading this message does not constitute doing the necessary research on LSD or any other drug before deciding if you want to try it.
Oh, I don't know. Back in my college days I used to spend many entire nights coding in the dungeon at Berkeley, and when I started to get distracted, or felt like I needed to go home -- what I really needed was to finish up! -- I would go take a 5 minute walk around the Soda building, stretch my legs and smoke a bowl. When I got back in, my brain felt freshened, I got more interested in the code, I was less stressed and more relaxed.
And another thing, I got patient. I'd take my time, restructure code whenever I didn't like how it looked, and comment all over the place (frequently humorous, but always informative). I most certainly did not have to "clean it up over a cup of coffee in the morning". Besides -- morning was for sleeping.
You are generalizing the effects of marijuana as they apply to you, or to somebody you know. You don't know what it does to me and a lot of other people out there. I used to smoke out before my diff eq and other math classes 'cause it helped me pay attention through the parts that would have been boring (too slow for me) if I was sober.
If you'll notice, I said you could run Linux and XFree86. I didn't say anything about running applications, except that you could run them on a faster remote machine over the network.
I think you just agreed with me while saying "bullcrap".
> Sure, the encryption algorithm is a piece of
> shit, but do you even know how it works? I
> would doubt that.
Does it matter? (and do you know any more about it than he does?)
> you could simply copy bit by bit onto a DVD-R
Actually, consumer DVD writer hardware doesn't allow you to read or write the key section of the disc without "unlocking" the drive first.
> You could in fact do this to your hard disk.
.. But then you'd have unplayable encrypted data on your hard disk (with no key info). The point is that to copy the MPEG to your hard drive or anywhere in a usable format, you need DeCSS.
> There are many MANY ways of copying a DVD.
Actually, there aren't too many ways that leave you with a second playable DVD. But DeCSSing it and writing it out *unencrypted* is probably the easiest and best, and doesn't require special hardware that's unavailable to the end user.
> Simply stop being stupid, talk like this will
> only HURT the situation.
I agree that people talking about "pirating" (I hate that term) with DeCSS may be harmful to the situation. And you are right that DeCSS is much more relevant as the beginning of a Linux compatible DVD player. And the person he's replying to is very possibly an MPAA contracted troll. But get the facts straight.
Are you implying that this person might negligently cause the death of his digital video disc due to lack of "proper tools"? That is extremely unlikely.
And by the way, If a swiss army knife was all that was available (no DVD players around for Linux), I'd tell the doc to go right ahead.
I can run Linux and XFree86 in high res on a 486 with 8 megs of RAM, no problem. Reasonable performance. Internet connectivity. And I can run applications on another computer over a LAN. In fact it can be squeezed into 4M on a 386. Try that with Windows NT. Or even Win 95/98/2k. And ask yourself if the system is "usable".
1. don't ask us what words mean. look up the word. there are these funny things called "search engines" that can help you if you don't know how to look up a word.
2. your annoying three line advertisement signature appears *TWICE* at the bottom of your posts. and to top it off, you insult our intelligence by saying you are not "advertising just to advertise". Every one of your posts is little more than an ad.
lose the "free advertising". you want ads on slashdot? pay for a banner, or do something interesting enough to make it news (sorry, registering domain names for $45 fails that test). and don't post unless you have something to say. maybe then people will take you seriously. sheesh.
okay... that was offtopic, yeah.. but man.. did you see Mr T throwin those fool's helluva far man?
heh.
When I was enrolled in CS at U.C. Berkeley a few years ago, I frequently partnered with the few women around for group projects. All of the CS-major women I worked with were intelligent, friendly, and could code up a storm, even after being up until 4 in the morning. None of them got by with doing less than the males in their classes.
;) ("Do you think I'm sexy, baby? Do you?" -AP)
On the other hand, it seemed like the male students were much more likely to miss team meetings and lean on their partners at the last minute. But I'll attribute that to the fact that the women were showing off, since they were attracted to me for my macho coding skillz.
Okay, that last bit might not be true. But anyhow I'd like to send out a ROWRRR!!! to the talented and lovely women in Cal CS and math.
In order to avoid "distributing" the software but still giving copies out, you'd have to make each person who had a copy an employee or contractor of the corporation in question. The cost of doing this would be immense (paperwork, taxes, etc).
For instance, in order for any employee of a private company to use any "company software" on their home computer, the company would have to "distribute" and [sub]license it to them (if permitted to do so). IANAL so I am not sure if the same applies for a person acting as the agent for a corporation.
Everyone,
... "your moral and ethical shortcomings" ... "hundreds of your patrons now hate you"
Will you PLEASE stop responding to this guy's troll!??!?!? It just encourages him.
This is one of the most non-broken web sites I've ever been to. I've never gotten a 5xx error code from Slashdot, ever, after visiting several times a day for more than a year. Chances are, neither have you or this troller, who has posted this same message dozens of times on practically every discussion. Note that he never says what he was doing or gives a reproducable scenario for these "problems".
And NOTE THE "ANTI-ROB" TROLL SIGNATURE CODE: "the same lack of technical skill that prevents you from overhauling"
Next time you connect via a different network card, try waiting about 20-30 minutes. Whenever I switch which computer is connected to my cable modem, it takes about that long for their ethernet address to ip address tables to refresh.
silly troll, you're thinking of semispherical glasses.
we're not talking about champagne or champagne glasses here. this is GUINNESS in A PINT GLASS (apologies to apg). the glass is cylindrical, and the effect is as described on the site. In fact the smaller bubbles are kind of being "crammed" downwards by the force of larger and more buoyant bubbles rising through the center of the glass. nooch.
"facts" eh? how about some information:
I have fangs. Got 'em from my mother. Not quite wolfman style, but they rip apart meat just fine.
Our intestines are actually longer than many carnivores. Perhaps you mean this in terms of weight ratio to length, or some other equally meaningless statistic.
You say that humans are "the only carnivores [sic] that have difficulty in pre-digesting meat in the stomach, unless meat is regularly consumed". That is because we are omnivores, not carnivores. Carnivores just plain DIE if meat is not "regularly consumed". Your claim that "the stomach doesn't not [sic] initially contain the enzymes to break down meat" is total BS. The enzymes are present in force unless they are not used for a long period of time, in which case production stops until the person starts eating meat again. One possible conclusion to arise out of this is that your body loses digestive flexibility unless you eat meat occasionally.
The only people I've ever heard say that the human body was not designed to consume meat were die-hard vegetarians. Luckily, most usually get over their overzealous disregard for the actual facts, and admit that they are veg[etari]an for religious, personal or diet control reasons -- instead of avoiding meat because it's "not natural" to eat.
When I get hungry, I sometimes start to picture myself going out and killing some animal, cutting it apart, and eating it. That's a rather brutal type of feeling, actually. I'm no brute, but I know where it comes from. It's called "instinct" and it's perfectly natural.
If I ever got really hungry and was too far away from a supermarket or didn't have money, that's exactly what I'd do. Oh year, and pick berries too. 'Cause berries are often sweet and delicious, and venison beats the h-ll out of eating grubs any day.