DIFFERENT SITUATION. VCR's don't make your Video tapes or cassettes available to 5 million people at once. Think "Scale".
If I worked in the Recording Industry, I'd definately be scared, because I used to have a sure-fire way to earn money, that's now greatly questioned. Personally, I would like to keep my job, if I liked it, for as long as possible =)
Yes, please give us more ironically-funny posts devoid of content! email is used 99% of the time for legitimate purposes. 99% of activity on Napster violates current copyrights. Maybe the current laws should be changed, since they're obviously outdated, but don't try to equate email with napster...
Why is this your 4th or 5th post on the subject? Man you need to organize your thoughts into several decent paragraphs, instead of trying so hard to spit out some coherent relevant thoughts, in order to be one of the first posters....
Worms with the name Links.vbs have been floating around IRC for several months now, this looks like someone just decided to create an email variation, it used to just send via DCC.
So you want Napster to hire 10 people to search through millions of shared music files? Good God, no way in hell you could pay me enough money to take that job. Stare at a computer screen for 12 hours a day and flip through individual user lists removing offending material. Yay!
A quick buck? They've been around for nearly 20 years right? Sounds like they've been in it cause they love music.
If you watched or read a metallica interview in-depth, they say they're not doing this lawsuit for the money, and I believe them. What they DID say is that they're doing it for CONTROL. This obviously makes more sense than money.
New artists trying to get name-recognition will love Napster. What does Metallica have to gain? Most of their "good stuff" is from years ago. Most fans already bought the CDs. All they forsee happening is cheap people downloading their songs and burning their own CDs without the band having any say in how it happens.
Next time you're up against a multi-trillion dollar company, and their army of lawyers, please tell us how you respond. It's easy to criticize someone when you're not the one on the verge of being sued. And even if he did win if this went to court, would you want to risk it if it didn't?
With Eudora maybe? I know of several Win98/Eudora users who infected themselves with this... people will still run attachments with Eudora, the difference is, Eudora won't automatically send out emails simply because it's not set up the same way as Outlook. I'm pretty sure if anyone wanted to, you could make a version that would affect Eudora as well. Same thing with Netscape mail.
In response to your second point, you're almost correct... they offer 2 versions of the streaming mp3s. One is a high-bandwidth version for broadband users (reaasonably good quality.. 128 or 160 kbps maybe?) and the other was for Dial-Up modem uesrs (generally 28-64 kbps)
I wish there was something in between those two, because my DSL could just *barely* pull out enough bandwidth to get the high-quality version, but if I tried to do too much on the web or download anything, my quality would turn to shit. And the low-quality version is comparable to real-audio, though it doesn't have the annoying distortions of RA.
And I totally agree with your last point.. my.mp3.com was doing a good thing that a lot of people found convenient, but they apparently didn't consult any lawyers before launching it. The average user would say "hey I'm listening to the same song so there's no difference" but copywright law is very tricky.
You must not have used the Beam-It software that my.mp3.com provides.. (difference between my.mp3.com and mp3.com by the way)
You're not copying anything at all. And yes, my.mp3.com bought thousands of CD's and made mp3 copies of all of them. All the user had to do was use the Beam-It software to "prove" that they "owned" a certain CD. After that, anything they listened to was provided by my.mp3.com, and not their own collection.
If a company like mp3.com is streaming these copywrited cd's, and is doing it without a proper license, they can be held at fault... it's a really fine line, and while many people agree that my.mp3.com is proving a good service, they're still violating current laws.
You must not listen to country music then. I don't listen often, but there's some song about how much this guy likes Mercuries... of course it was bastardized for a commercial about Ford trucks (Mercuries apparently don't apeal too much to the redneck demographic)... "gonna buy me a Ford truck and cruise it up and down the road"
Yes, I have electronic music on my computer. Most of them are of CDs I already own.
What's that? Most? If you own mp3s that you didn't pay for (that are meant to be distributed for free) then you're just as *evil* as the person you're flaming. Next time you make a blatant flame like this, make sure you're not including yourself.
How obvious is this to a new user though? A new user (in windows, as an example) can open "My Computer" and just click on each drive to see that "dorky pie graph." This can be done without reading any manuals at all, just a little experimentation in most cases. How long did it take you to memorize the plethora of Unix or Dos commands? Dos/Unix may be nice to use, once you're familiar with the commands, but unless you have the time to read through a nice thick manual you're not going to be able to figure out jack shit on your own.
The problem that I've been observing, is that their quotes are being published in a book, which is being sold for money.
Posters don't like the fact that Katz is reproducing their comments, without asking them first. As Katz stated though, getting in contact with the many people who posted comments is impossible, due to the changing nature of the net.
Most of the comments he received were via email anyways, by kids begging to share their stories. The people who are whining now are the ones with over-inflated egos who think Katz can't live without their +5 insightful posts.
And what if CNN linked to your comment on slashdot? What's the difference between doing that and printing it out on paper? You're posting in a public forum that anyone in the world can view. It's also made perfectly clear that Katz didn't come up with those posts all on his own, and people's identities are kept secret.
From the front page of Slashdot: "A little blatant self promotion today:Jon Katz has completed co-authoring, along with many Slashdot readers, a paperback version of Voices from the Hellmouth..." Being co-author of a book sounds like you would at least have *some* say in how the book turns out.
My Ameritech DSL modem required installation from a Win98-only CDROM for drivers (had to run a few.exe's) and this was 9 months ago... I don't know if someone has ported drivers to Linux/etc for it too... but looks to me like they've already been doing this for a while.
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DIFFERENT SITUATION. VCR's don't make your Video tapes or cassettes available to 5 million people at once. Think "Scale".
If I worked in the Recording Industry, I'd definately be scared, because I used to have a sure-fire way to earn money, that's now greatly questioned. Personally, I would like to keep my job, if I liked it, for as long as possible =)
Yes, please give us more ironically-funny posts devoid of content! email is used 99% of the time for legitimate purposes. 99% of activity on Napster violates current copyrights. Maybe the current laws should be changed, since they're obviously outdated, but don't try to equate email with napster...
Why is this your 4th or 5th post on the subject? Man you need to organize your thoughts into several decent paragraphs, instead of trying so hard to spit out some coherent relevant thoughts, in order to be one of the first posters....
Sure you could name the track N0Th1n6 3l53 MaTt3r5 - M3tall1ca , but how would anyone else find it?
Worms with the name Links.vbs have been floating around IRC for several months now, this looks like someone just decided to create an email variation, it used to just send via DCC.
2 Words: Wesley Willis.
Wesley Willis puts a plug for some store or company on the end of every single song he has.
"Rock over London, Rock on Chicago.. Toyota! Wow what a difference!"
So you want Napster to hire 10 people to search through millions of shared music files? Good God, no way in hell you could pay me enough money to take that job. Stare at a computer screen for 12 hours a day and flip through individual user lists removing offending material. Yay!
A quick buck? They've been around for nearly 20 years right? Sounds like they've been in it cause they love music.
If you watched or read a metallica interview in-depth, they say they're not doing this lawsuit for the money, and I believe them. What they DID say is that they're doing it for CONTROL. This obviously makes more sense than money.
New artists trying to get name-recognition will love Napster. What does Metallica have to gain? Most of their "good stuff" is from years ago. Most fans already bought the CDs. All they forsee happening is cheap people downloading their songs and burning their own CDs without the band having any say in how it happens.
http://mail-abuse.org/rbl/ - kills spammers dead
http://www.alladvantage.com/go.asp?refid=GZX636 - Get paid to surf
Ironic? I think so.
Next time you're up against a multi-trillion dollar company, and their army of lawyers, please tell us how you respond. It's easy to criticize someone when you're not the one on the verge of being sued. And even if he did win if this went to court, would you want to risk it if it didn't?
nuff said.
With Eudora maybe? I know of several Win98/Eudora users who infected themselves with this... people will still run attachments with Eudora, the difference is, Eudora won't automatically send out emails simply because it's not set up the same way as Outlook. I'm pretty sure if anyone wanted to, you could make a version that would affect Eudora as well. Same thing with Netscape mail.
In response to your second point, you're almost correct... they offer 2 versions of the streaming mp3s. One is a high-bandwidth version for broadband users (reaasonably good quality.. 128 or 160 kbps maybe?) and the other was for Dial-Up modem uesrs (generally 28-64 kbps)
I wish there was something in between those two, because my DSL could just *barely* pull out enough bandwidth to get the high-quality version, but if I tried to do too much on the web or download anything, my quality would turn to shit. And the low-quality version is comparable to real-audio, though it doesn't have the annoying distortions of RA.
And I totally agree with your last point.. my.mp3.com was doing a good thing that a lot of people found convenient, but they apparently didn't consult any lawyers before launching it. The average user would say "hey I'm listening to the same song so there's no difference" but copywright law is very tricky.
You must not have used the Beam-It software that my.mp3.com provides.. (difference between my.mp3.com and mp3.com by the way)
You're not copying anything at all. And yes, my.mp3.com bought thousands of CD's and made mp3 copies of all of them. All the user had to do was use the Beam-It software to "prove" that they "owned" a certain CD. After that, anything they listened to was provided by my.mp3.com, and not their own collection.
If a company like mp3.com is streaming these copywrited cd's, and is doing it without a proper license, they can be held at fault... it's a really fine line, and while many people agree that my.mp3.com is proving a good service, they're still violating current laws.
You must not listen to country music then. I don't listen often, but there's some song about how much this guy likes Mercuries... of course it was bastardized for a commercial about Ford trucks (Mercuries apparently don't apeal too much to the redneck demographic)... "gonna buy me a Ford truck and cruise it up and down the road"
It's actually kinda sad.
Yes, I have electronic music on my computer. Most of them are of CDs I already own.
What's that? Most? If you own mp3s that you didn't pay for (that are meant to be distributed for free) then you're just as *evil* as the person you're flaming. Next time you make a blatant flame like this, make sure you're not including yourself.
I want to know how full my partions are?
bash = df (disk free)
How obvious is this to a new user though? A new user (in windows, as an example) can open "My Computer" and just click on each drive to see that "dorky pie graph."
This can be done without reading any manuals at all, just a little experimentation in most cases. How long did it take you to memorize the plethora of Unix or Dos commands?
Dos/Unix may be nice to use, once you're familiar with the commands, but unless you have the time to read through a nice thick manual you're not going to be able to figure out jack shit on your own.
How many revisions has Linux gone through?
Apparently paylars.com doesn't follow the same editorial thoughts as its "parent site", www.orangealley.com
The problem that I've been observing, is that their quotes are being published in a book, which is being sold for money.
Posters don't like the fact that Katz is reproducing their comments, without asking them first. As Katz stated though, getting in contact with the many people who posted comments is impossible, due to the changing nature of the net.
Most of the comments he received were via email anyways, by kids begging to share their stories. The people who are whining now are the ones with over-inflated egos who think Katz can't live without their +5 insightful posts.
And what if CNN linked to your comment on slashdot? What's the difference between doing that and printing it out on paper? You're posting in a public forum that anyone in the world can view. It's also made perfectly clear that Katz didn't come up with those posts all on his own, and people's identities are kept secret.
From the front page of Slashdot: "A little blatant self promotion today:Jon Katz has completed co-authoring, along with many Slashdot readers, a paperback version of Voices from the Hellmouth..." Being co-author of a book sounds like you would at least have *some* say in how the book turns out.
You go Jonny!
My Ameritech DSL modem required installation from a Win98-only CDROM for drivers (had to run a few .exe's) and this was 9 months ago... I don't know if someone has ported drivers to Linux/etc for it too... but looks to me like they've already been doing this for a while.
is slashdot broken or what... i only see 2 posts and they're both flames.