so you're saying that someone that pays to be connected to the internet shouldn't understand what they are paying for, or how to correctly utilize the service they are paying for?
do you have any other numbers to pull out of your ass and shove in my mouth? by my criteria, you are NOTHING.
this is obviously a solution for inept users... i already pointed that out. HP is obviously happy to cater to these users rather than educating them, and in the end providing them with a higher quality product.
where is HP going to stand after the these users have all their paper and ink burned up with spam?
i don't see this killing fax... fax is for people that have a physical copy and a fax machine and want you to have a physical copy... so now you expect this inept user on the other side of the line to buy a scanner that can send email, or figure out how to connect the scanner and import the scans and email them? fax is not kept alive by users that need to receive faxes... it is kept alive by more inept users that need to transmit physical documents that might never live on a computer.
so your solution is to let anyone print to any printer on your network as long as they can guess or sniff the email address?
there are already many more secure solutions that allow printing from the internet.
plugging in inherently insecure email to fill the gap is a lazy solution, seemingly employed to get around explaining router port forwarding to stupid users, which would enable outside access to a print server running on the printer (the correct solution that my canon printer uses)
i got from the summary that the simulation would be of a fictional network, allowing the instructor to change parameters and view the effects... not sure how any government agency would care about that.
a couple decades ago they also printed on the stub of the social security card that you should always keep the card with you... then the text changed to you should never keep the card with you. stupid government.
if the executing system is able to manage the state of all of the variables used in an application
Wait.... Uhm... WTF? A program on all major operating systems that I know of, manage their own memory. That could, in the future, be a possibility for managed languages... but not today.
i'm talking about relative to THE USER. of course executing software is just a bunch of electricity flipping bits... the meaningful state is only recognized by THE USER. to the user the state can be represented by an application of variables and methods, and current hex editing debug/tracers can reverse engineer to that state. keep saying that they can't... I AM USING ONE RIGHT NOW.
if the compiler is known, the level of human interaction to eliminate noise is almost nothing. everyday i'm doing the things that you're claiming are "impossible today"... so i'll just let you continue to live in a perpetual yesterday. of course the code doesn't look the same... but procedurally it's not much harder to understand than minified javascript.
how are you still saying i'm wrong because human interaction is involved? OF COURSE HUMAN INTERACTION IS INVOLVED. reverse engineering is not a trivial task... my point was that it is FAR from "impossible."
the variable names are obviously not recovered, but variables most certainly are... types and values and all. i'm not laughing at all at your ignorance... claiming tracing variables to be "impossible" is exactly the same as claiming reverse engineering ANYTHING is "impossible". if the executing system is able to manage the state of all of the variables used in an application, then so too can a hex editing debugger/tracer... to claim anything else is beyond ignorant. i do it every single day... i've already provided links to tools that do it. YOU ARE WRONG.
agreed, but it would be odd to develop or debug software that you don't already have the original source for... so really they're intended to develop and debug compilers and platform layers.
would you mind explaining how these tools work a little more, because the trolls are out in full force and don't seem to understand what is possible with modern reverse engineering tools.
Variables? Variables don't exist. You can capture function arguments, but other than that, generically separating an important memory location ("variable") from another actually is next to impossible.
this kind of hypocritical ignorance always confuses me. it's like i'm being baited.... but i'll bite
so just to be clear, you're saying that the memory blocks used to store information passed into functions can be captured and traced, but for magically unmentioned reasons, memory blocks used to store any other bounded data can not? where do you idiots come from?
The Google-specific program components are available only in machine-readable binary code, which makes it impossible to analyze the internal processing.
No. It makes it [...] impractical to analyze.
No. if the software is to be understood, analyzing it is the only practical thing to do. there are many debugging tools available to analyze and step through machine code... generally they are used by pirate groups to reverse engineer and remove DRM. functional methods and variables are reconstructed and visualized... it wouldn't take too long to get a general idea of what is going on, and zero in on the code that is run right after a new wireless connection is detected.
"impossible" is so wrong that i expect the person who said it to fall on their sword.
then you sweep in like a donkey with claims that that didn't just happen...
you are the worst kind of stupid.
if i respond to an AC, and an AC responds back, i will assume it was the original AC until told otherwise. the burden of proof is not on my shoulders... i've already proven i'm the same person. you can't prove you aren't the same AC.
well... thats the kind of thing that is impossible to enforce. you could always make an interactive translator that output directly to the keyboard buffer, so whatever apple was trying to do to force people to use their development environment, it would still seem like the user was typing in the code.
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at one point in time less than .01% of the world was "intelligent" enough to use email...
do you have any other numbers to pull out of your ass and shove in my mouth? by my criteria, you are NOTHING.
who can't already print from their existing email client?
ipad users.
wrong
what kind of phone do you have? there are apps for iphone and android that allow printing.
where is HP going to stand after the these users have all their paper and ink burned up with spam?
i don't see this killing fax... fax is for people that have a physical copy and a fax machine and want you to have a physical copy... so now you expect this inept user on the other side of the line to buy a scanner that can send email, or figure out how to connect the scanner and import the scans and email them? fax is not kept alive by users that need to receive faxes... it is kept alive by more inept users that need to transmit physical documents that might never live on a computer.
there are already many more secure solutions that allow printing from the internet.
plugging in inherently insecure email to fill the gap is a lazy solution, seemingly employed to get around explaining router port forwarding to stupid users, which would enable outside access to a print server running on the printer (the correct solution that my canon printer uses)
who can't already print from their existing email client?
...get a 4:3 monitor and put it in portrait mode....
the aspect ratio doesn't matter nearly as much as diagonal screen size and resolution.
you are NOTHING.
sorry... the parent was hidden.
i got from the summary that the simulation would be of a fictional network, allowing the instructor to change parameters and view the effects... not sure how any government agency would care about that.
a couple decades ago they also printed on the stub of the social security card that you should always keep the card with you... then the text changed to you should never keep the card with you. stupid government.
if the executing system is able to manage the state of all of the variables used in an application
Wait.... Uhm... WTF? A program on all major operating systems that I know of, manage their own memory. That could, in the future, be a possibility for managed languages... but not today.
i'm talking about relative to THE USER. of course executing software is just a bunch of electricity flipping bits... the meaningful state is only recognized by THE USER. to the user the state can be represented by an application of variables and methods, and current hex editing debug/tracers can reverse engineer to that state. keep saying that they can't... I AM USING ONE RIGHT NOW.
DIAF.
DIAF.
how are you still saying i'm wrong because human interaction is involved? OF COURSE HUMAN INTERACTION IS INVOLVED. reverse engineering is not a trivial task... my point was that it is FAR from "impossible."
the variable names are obviously not recovered, but variables most certainly are... types and values and all. i'm not laughing at all at your ignorance... claiming tracing variables to be "impossible" is exactly the same as claiming reverse engineering ANYTHING is "impossible". if the executing system is able to manage the state of all of the variables used in an application, then so too can a hex editing debugger/tracer... to claim anything else is beyond ignorant. i do it every single day... i've already provided links to tools that do it. YOU ARE WRONG.
The glasses were made in China.
I'd take that bet. Because they were made in New Jersey. (ARC International, based in Millville, N.J.)
ahhhhh... new jersey. the china of the west.
would you mind explaining how these tools work a little more, because the trolls are out in full force and don't seem to understand what is possible with modern reverse engineering tools.
Variables? Variables don't exist. You can capture function arguments, but other than that, generically separating an important memory location ("variable") from another actually is next to impossible.
this kind of hypocritical ignorance always confuses me. it's like i'm being baited.... but i'll bite
so just to be clear, you're saying that the memory blocks used to store information passed into functions can be captured and traced, but for magically unmentioned reasons, memory blocks used to store any other bounded data can not? where do you idiots come from?
here, i'll help you be a little less stupid... i'm sick of you retards saying i'm wrong. YOU ARE WRONG.
Never attribute to nefarious scams that which can be adequately explained by incompetence
if this sentiment was universal, all truly nefarious people would simply hide behind the protection of incompetence.
i'm attributing this to orchestrated incompetence.
The Google-specific program components are available only in machine-readable binary code, which makes it impossible to analyze the internal processing.
No. It makes it [...] impractical to analyze.
No. if the software is to be understood, analyzing it is the only practical thing to do. there are many debugging tools available to analyze and step through machine code... generally they are used by pirate groups to reverse engineer and remove DRM. functional methods and variables are reconstructed and visualized... it wouldn't take too long to get a general idea of what is going on, and zero in on the code that is run right after a new wireless connection is detected.
"impossible" is so wrong that i expect the person who said it to fall on their sword.
then you sweep in like a donkey with claims that that didn't just happen...
you are the worst kind of stupid.
if i respond to an AC, and an AC responds back, i will assume it was the original AC until told otherwise. the burden of proof is not on my shoulders... i've already proven i'm the same person. you can't prove you aren't the same AC.
you are NOTHING.
well... thats the kind of thing that is impossible to enforce. you could always make an interactive translator that output directly to the keyboard buffer, so whatever apple was trying to do to force people to use their development environment, it would still seem like the user was typing in the code.