actually, I think it's better to pick a password of random characters that are near each other on the keyboard. Such as: 4rfvbgt5
I often times will remember only the location of my password, but cannot recall the password when I am not near a computer.
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This is bizspeak for what the rest of humanity calls outsourcing.
Pretty words to hide real actions
when software is made int oa commodity, expect outsourcing to the lowest bidder.
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I see you are a worthy PHB in the making. I fear for all the innocents who will toil under your ignorant and despotic regieme.
OSS advocates have been talking about how great open source is because there are thousands of programmers working projects, for free.
If a company knows this and decides not to hire someone to save money (or fire someone) (because they know they can get it for free), I see it as smart business.
you shouldn't expect someone to pay for something they can just as easily get for free (with nearly no loss in benefits from paying). It's human nature.
for when our shit don't work. It'll save your butterfly's arse. What would you like to boot that actually runs today/
I hate to break it to you, but the machine running microsoft office had a hardware problem. This is why open office was used. Because they just happened to have a system up an running with linux/open office. It has nothing to do with the superiority of OSS applications.
While we're at it, we can rename this service to "Vitual America", not "Virtual Earth"! Just think of all the hassle and trouble that will be saved for Americans trying to find out which state China is in!
not only is this not flamebait, but similar things have been posted about about copyright infringement of proprietary applications (and have been modded as insightful).
the hypocrisy of the slashdot community amazes me. and you wonder why open source isn't used in the real world.
I agree to some extent that there are some people stealing stuff from "Open Source", without contributing to OSS, either monetorily or in any other way. And the bottomline is "It is bad".
how can it possibly be stealing? Stealing would mean that something was actually taken (a CD is stolen and that CD is no longer there). Even if someone uses OSS in a closed source application, the original source is still there and available to anyone that wants it.
By making the stuff closed source, the comapny is choosing to get rid of all advantages coming from the software development process of OSS. Sooner or later, it will dawn to them. Meanwhile the OSS movement looks good, motivated towards providing great solutions, instead of finding reasons to harass some small companies.
all the advantages? what advantages? Using Open source in a commercial project means almost no hope of a profit. The binaries can easily be created from the source code and given out for free (which will almost certainly happen if it gets popular enough). Essentially they would be competing with themselves (and the competition has a price tag of $0). Commerical software companies should avoid the GNU license like the plague.
Marking security-related bugs as secret is entirely appropriate. If the bug notes were public, they would serve as a blueprint to 0-day attacks on Mozilla, which the Moz folks are (rightly) attempting to prevent.
Attacking Mozilla for following standard security procedures for bugs is fucking childish.
sure, and how is this any different than Microsoft?
yes, when even the most computer illiterate can check their email, surf the web, write papers, and go on aim (and sometimes install drivers), I would say windows is easy to use.
It might be easier if you have no idea how to really use a computer, and are not willing to learn. Those people will never leave the "comfort" of a familiar thing. They fear change, especially when it forces them to actually think for themselves.
blaming the users isn't the answer. Open source isn't used by the masses because it still isn't ready.
Piracy is a confusing word you should avoid. The title of the story should read, "Software Sharing To Increase as the Internet Grows." Doesn't sound as bad, does it?
Quick to jump on the pro-Bush bandwagon there. Feeling a little insecure about your president?
no and no. Im just sick of people talking about their candidate losing. It's over and finished.
You act as if that post had anything to do with Bush, of course if you had his level of education you wouldn't be able to tell me how many years ago Tiananmen Sqare was either and how many presidents of both parties have continued to ignore the human rights violations there.
his level of education? you mean college? Bush isn't as dumb as you think.
Tiananmen Sqare happened 16 years ago, but the fact that I know that has nothing to do with my intelligence or level of education.
the reason we attacked Iraw and not China is because China is not a threat. It might be in 2008 (and you should know why due to your "level of education and intelligence", but that remains to be seen.
This is where I see Linux and Open Source being key. If we can convince people that rather than running the risk of getting caught, why not switch to a software package that will do what you want, and not put you at risk for licensing fines, etc
or maybe people should just buy the software? If someone is an individual and they are not sharing their software, the likelihood of getting caught is almost none.
many open source products won't do what people want.
China is everything Saddam was, PLUS they have REAL weapons of mass destruction, not just imaginary ones photoshopped into satellite photos. We blast the shit out of Iraq, but if we even thought of pulling the american mouth away from China's ass, China would cut all the trade lines and let America's economy wither. Hell, the damage to Wal-Mart alone would be an economic disaster. How can they keep their low prices without cheap shit made in China?
yeah, and sadaam was just an innocent person minding his own business before the U.S. came in and ovethrew his country. I think the thousands of people that were tortured and killed would beg to differ.
Please stop the bullshit rhetoric. Kerry lost the election.
If this were the case, why didn't we let Sadaam stay in power. After all, we need his oil for our economy.
Wal-mart isn't the only store that has workers in China. Take a look inside your computer sometime. 99% of the parts were either manufactured in China or Taiwan.
Most of my web friends use words like serving and downloading/uploading. Real world friends use words like give, copy, and trade. Generally the legality isn't considered relevant (and many real-life friends probably assume it is legal).
With 'pirate', you have powerful groups force-feeding the term (and they have done it for centuries). If language was not being manipulated, its usage to mean 'copyright commercial works' wouldn't last very long
I have never heard or seen the word pirate from a company or organization, just from friends/co-workers. How is this being force-fed again?
language isn't manipulated, it evolves. Words change over time. Some people just don't like change.
I think the people that do not like the negative meaning of the word pirate don't like it because they don't think there is anything wrong with copying copyrighted materials illegally.
Some people would disagree with you. The obvious difference is that the GPL promotes redistribution, while the ??AA etc. are attempting to prevent redistribution.
The means are not at issue here. The ends are.
you mean the fact that I lose all rights as a programmer? or that the free software police go after me for attempted GPL violations.
The GPL controls where my sourcecode is used (closed source applications with no source). The means do not justify the ends.
1) The GPL is considered to be a social good. Strong enforcement of media copyright is considered to be a social bad. This applies to a small group of people, and is independent of their opinion of copyright as a whole.
they are both licenses which try to control software/music/etc. I don't really think the GPL is any more a social good than the copyright.
Because taking OSS and using it in a closed application is done to make money. The example of copying a can of Coke isn't being done to make money. The guy isn't going to replicate the can a billion times and start his own Coke dealership. That would destroy Coke. Also the Coke can isn't "free" to begin with
this analogy is wrong. PearPC does not see any negative effects when cherry OS uses their source code. They do not lose any money, because pearPC isn't selling their source code. The original source code is still there, so people can easily use it for any similar project.
Then again, when companies sell a 2 Liter at the same price as a 20oz I have to wonder at the actual cost going into making these soda
The problem with your analogy is that software can be copied without affecting the source. Your analogy would be more like this:
"I go to a convenience store and use my Star Trek Replication Device to copy a can of Diet Coke, without taking away the existing Diet Coke. I like it so much that the next day, I go out and buy a case. I tell my friend that I like Diet Coke, and he buys a case."
really? so why do many slashdotters believe that taking OSS and using it in a closed application stealing (just check the posts regarding cherry OS and pearPC)
I'm unemployed. For the past three months, I've spent almost all of my time working on this security flaw -- investigating how serious it was, contacting all of the affected vendors, explaining how this should be fixed, et cetera. I simply haven't had time to go out and get a job -- and I decided that making sure that this issue was properly reported and fixed was far more important than earning some money.
I think he might be mentioning this first because he's hoping a potential employer will be reading his website.
Er, um, doesn't the GPL already do this??? You don't have the rights to -- say -- close-source the entire code, but you can do whatever you want with your own code
I think you just made his point on why he wants a license other than the GPL. You can do whatever you want..except close the source..that doesn't sounds like whatever I want, which is a good reason to pick another licensing model.
If what he wants is a "look but don't touch" license (a'la some of MS's 'shared source" initiatives) then I'd be inclined to say "thanks but no thanks".
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actually, I think it's better to pick a password of random characters that are near each other on the keyboard. Such as: 4rfvbgt5
I often times will remember only the location of my password, but cannot recall the password when I am not near a computer.
This is bizspeak for what the rest of humanity calls outsourcing.
Pretty words to hide real actions
when software is made int oa commodity, expect outsourcing to the lowest bidder.
I see you are a worthy PHB in the making. I fear for all the innocents who will toil under your ignorant and despotic regieme.
OSS advocates have been talking about how great open source is because there are thousands of programmers working projects, for free.
If a company knows this and decides not to hire someone to save money (or fire someone) (because they know they can get it for free), I see it as smart business.
you shouldn't expect someone to pay for something they can just as easily get for free (with nearly no loss in benefits from paying). It's human nature.
for when our shit don't work. It'll save your butterfly's arse. What would you like to boot that actually runs today/
I hate to break it to you, but the machine running microsoft office had a hardware problem. This is why open office was used. Because they just happened to have a system up an running with linux/open office. It has nothing to do with the superiority of OSS applications.
While we're at it, we can rename this service to "Vitual America", not "Virtual Earth"! Just think of all the hassle and trouble that will be saved for Americans trying to find out which state China is in!
it's in michigan
not only is this not flamebait, but similar things have been posted about about copyright infringement of proprietary applications (and have been modded as insightful).
the hypocrisy of the slashdot community amazes me. and you wonder why open source isn't used in the real world.
I agree to some extent that there are some people stealing stuff from "Open Source", without contributing to OSS, either monetorily or in any other way. And the bottomline is "It is bad".
how can it possibly be stealing? Stealing would mean that something was actually taken (a CD is stolen and that CD is no longer there). Even if someone uses OSS in a closed source application, the original source is still there and available to anyone that wants it.
By making the stuff closed source, the comapny is choosing to get rid of all advantages coming from the software development process of OSS. Sooner or later, it will dawn to them. Meanwhile the OSS movement looks good, motivated towards providing great solutions, instead of finding reasons to harass some small companies.
all the advantages? what advantages? Using Open source in a commercial project means almost no hope of a profit. The binaries can easily be created from the source code and given out for free (which will almost certainly happen if it gets popular enough). Essentially they would be competing with themselves (and the competition has a price tag of $0). Commerical software companies should avoid the GNU license like the plague.
I shouldn't respond to this troll, but I will.
Marking security-related bugs as secret is entirely appropriate. If the bug notes were public, they would serve as a blueprint to 0-day attacks on Mozilla, which the Moz folks are (rightly) attempting to prevent.
Attacking Mozilla for following standard security procedures for bugs is fucking childish.
sure, and how is this any different than Microsoft?
And Windows is easy?
yes, when even the most computer illiterate can check their email, surf the web, write papers, and go on aim (and sometimes install drivers), I would say windows is easy to use.
It might be easier if you have no idea how to really use a computer, and are not willing to learn. Those people will never leave the "comfort" of a familiar thing. They fear change, especially when it forces them to actually think for themselves.
blaming the users isn't the answer. Open source isn't used by the masses because it still isn't ready.
Piracy is a confusing word you should avoid. The title of the story should read, "Software Sharing To Increase as the Internet Grows." Doesn't sound as bad, does it?
tell that to the guys over at cherryOS.
Quick to jump on the pro-Bush bandwagon there. Feeling a little insecure about your president?
no and no. Im just sick of people talking about their candidate losing. It's over and finished.
You act as if that post had anything to do with Bush, of course if you had his level of education you wouldn't be able to tell me how many years ago Tiananmen Sqare was either and how many presidents of both parties have continued to ignore the human rights violations there.
his level of education? you mean college? Bush isn't as dumb as you think.
Tiananmen Sqare happened 16 years ago, but the fact that I know that has nothing to do with my intelligence or level of education.
the reason we attacked Iraw and not China is because China is not a threat. It might be in 2008 (and you should know why due to your "level of education and intelligence", but that remains to be seen.
This is where I see Linux and Open Source being key. If we can convince people that rather than running the risk of getting caught, why not switch to a software package that will do what you want, and not put you at risk for licensing fines, etc
or maybe people should just buy the software? If someone is an individual and they are not sharing their software, the likelihood of getting caught is almost none.
many open source products won't do what people want.
China is everything Saddam was, PLUS they have REAL weapons of mass destruction, not just imaginary ones photoshopped into satellite photos. We blast the shit out of Iraq, but if we even thought of pulling the american mouth away from China's ass, China would cut all the trade lines and let America's economy wither. Hell, the damage to Wal-Mart alone would be an economic disaster. How can they keep their low prices without cheap shit made in China?
yeah, and sadaam was just an innocent person minding his own business before the U.S. came in and ovethrew his country. I think the thousands of people that were tortured and killed would beg to differ.
Please stop the bullshit rhetoric. Kerry lost the election.
If this were the case, why didn't we let Sadaam stay in power. After all, we need his oil for our economy.
Wal-mart isn't the only store that has workers in China. Take a look inside your computer sometime. 99% of the parts were either manufactured in China or Taiwan.
Hacker comes up with solutions to impossible problems, often ugly but darned if they don't work
not anymore. To the majority of the population, hacker is the same thing as cracker effectively changing the meaning of the word.
Most of my web friends use words like serving and downloading/uploading. Real world friends use words like give, copy, and trade. Generally the legality isn't considered relevant (and many real-life friends probably assume it is legal).
and 5 finger discount?
With 'pirate', you have powerful groups force-feeding the term (and they have done it for centuries). If language was not being manipulated, its usage to mean 'copyright commercial works' wouldn't last very long
I have never heard or seen the word pirate from a company or organization, just from friends/co-workers. How is this being force-fed again?
language isn't manipulated, it evolves. Words change over time. Some people just don't like change.
I think the people that do not like the negative meaning of the word pirate don't like it because they don't think there is anything wrong with copying copyrighted materials illegally.
Some people would disagree with you. The obvious difference is that the GPL promotes redistribution, while the ??AA etc. are attempting to prevent redistribution.
The means are not at issue here. The ends are.
you mean the fact that I lose all rights as a programmer? or that the free software police go after me for attempted GPL violations.
The GPL controls where my sourcecode is used (closed source applications with no source). The means do not justify the ends.
1) The GPL is considered to be a social good. Strong enforcement of media copyright is considered to be a social bad. This applies to a small group of people, and is independent of their opinion of copyright as a whole.
they are both licenses which try to control software/music/etc. I don't really think the GPL is any more a social good than the copyright.
Because taking OSS and using it in a closed application is done to make money. The example of copying a can of Coke isn't being done to make money. The guy isn't going to replicate the can a billion times and start his own Coke dealership. That would destroy Coke. Also the Coke can isn't "free" to begin with
this analogy is wrong. PearPC does not see any negative effects when cherry OS uses their source code. They do not lose any money, because pearPC isn't selling their source code. The original source code is still there, so people can easily use it for any similar project.
Then again, when companies sell a 2 Liter at the same price as a 20oz I have to wonder at the actual cost going into making these soda
it's all about convenience.
The problem with your analogy is that software can be copied without affecting the source. Your analogy would be more like this:
"I go to a convenience store and use my Star Trek Replication Device to copy a can of Diet Coke, without taking away the existing Diet Coke. I like it so much that the next day, I go out and buy a case. I tell my friend that I like Diet Coke, and he buys a case."
really? so why do many slashdotters believe that taking OSS and using it in a closed application stealing (just check the posts regarding cherry OS and pearPC)
Old fashioned pirates have ships and cannons and eye patches and parrots. I don't have any of those things
and gay meant happy. Unfortunately, times have changed.
No, it's hurting absolutely every country that does not supress their people, because their local labor is not nearly as cheap.
That was my whole point, you can't expect anyone to be able to compete with that
on a smaller scale, it's really the same idea as open source. Closed source companies cannot compete with OSS, because it's not nearly as cheap (0).
Where do you work?
I'm unemployed. For the past three months, I've spent almost all of my time working on this security flaw -- investigating how serious it was, contacting all of the affected vendors, explaining how this should be fixed, et cetera. I simply haven't had time to go out and get a job -- and I decided that making sure that this issue was properly reported and fixed was far more important than earning some money.
I think he might be mentioning this first because he's hoping a potential employer will be reading his website.
Er, um, doesn't the GPL already do this??? You don't have the rights to -- say -- close-source the entire code, but you can do whatever you want with your own code
I think you just made his point on why he wants a license other than the GPL. You can do whatever you want..except close the source..that doesn't sounds like whatever I want, which is a good reason to pick another licensing model.
If what he wants is a "look but don't touch" license (a'la some of MS's 'shared source" initiatives) then I'd be inclined to say "thanks but no thanks".
then don't use his software.