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Linux and OpenOffice save Microsoft Presentation
EvilGrinUK writes "A presentation about Shared Source (SSI) by the head of Microsoft Ukraine was almost ruined when the Windows machine (a Tablet PC) linked to the projector developed problems. The solution was to adopt OpenOffice.org 1.1.2 and ALT Linux Compact 2.3, which was already running on the presenter's laptop (an IBM Thinkpad). Here's a picture."
let me be early on to say ha!
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<speech>
<voice>Nelson Muntz</voice>
<voiceArtist>Nancy Cartwright</voiceArtist>
<text>Ha-Ha!</text>
</speech>
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this must have been embarassing LOL
The world according to SComps
The original link is fster than the cache
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http://paq.osdn.org.ua/~mike/img/MS-uses-OOo/hpim
Artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity
that poor, feeble Linux could help out big, powerful Microsoft!
If "disco" means "I learn" in Latin, does "discothèque" mean "I learn technology"?
Can somebody verify that the info is accurate?
The irony is delicious!
It looks like Open Office didn't open the presentation properly. Look at all of those crazy symbols.
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I'm not sure if I'm should be scared or not ......
BTW, what the hell is up with the new image text?
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Let's just hope they [MSFT] don't get all miffy about it, eh?
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...and at the same time embarassed Microsoft. Maybe now the mighty Goliath can be slain!
How many Slashdotters now have to change their shorts?
--bitter
What's the big deal here? Right tool for the job. The other laptop wasn't working during crunch time, so why not?
He is so fired
Be careful, Microsoft might think this counts as a Shared Source Initiative.
Will this appear in ANYWHERE but slashdot? I mean, will common people know about it? And more important... will they even care?
This reminds me of a time in college during a MS presentation when the MS powerpoint crashed into an Apple desktop. Oh well, its business, you do what you need to do. Microsoft is relativly pragmatic these days.
This story seems a little skinny on details. Does anyone have any more information?
or in this case, the only tool for the job. Alternatives are good but I wonder who invited Linx to that party?
ahh the irony.. "shared source initiative"..... :D
what is it with slashdot running all these captchas lately ? "To confirm you're not a script, please type the text shown in this image:" I did this yesterday, shouldn't there be a period of grace for logged in users ?
I bet someone is without a job now...
Perhaps he was being sincere - with interoperable software the bugs in windows are more tollerable.
And not one story about all the presentations given at Linux World that were done using Power Point on Windows.
"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge"
- Charles Darwin
Nice to see the moderaters are on top of all things ;)
tech. This was from last year
Really though, of all the things to let get leaked out. And te submitter is not doing them any favours either. Cheap Russians - you know they wouldn't break a sweat..
Can we see a schedule for this conference and where it took place? All we have is links to organization web sites and this photo at the moment.
If this is supposed to be proof of something, I want confirmation. Then I'll really start laughing.
Because honestly, who is to ay it wasn't just one guy putting up a slide and snapping a photo?
That's almost on an par with the infamous Windows 98 crash video!
That was the case... now 4 mins later the /. effect looms :-)
I take it you couldn't find a real story to post?
A) That image could easily be recreated in any office with a projector
B) Microsoft ALWAYS watermarks their presentations, there is not one on the picture
C) There is no link to a credible news site with this info. I'm sure if this were to really happen, every news site would be ALL OVER IT...
I don't think the picture makes it too easy to see that this is OpenOffice.org 1.1.2 and ALT Linux Compact 2.3 (unless you can read Romanian?), but here is an alternate link to the picture (the other link isn't working for me...).
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what is it with slashdot running all these captchas lately ?
If you haven't noticed, slashdot has been spammed SEVERELY the last few days. I say, it was about time they implemented those captchas. And if you see a captcha, then you're NOT logged in.
Are my eyes deceiving me? Please tell me that Microsoft didn't get OpenOffice version 2 before the rest of us did!
This is a funny one. Now, maybe Microsoft should buy Sun... ;-)
I cleaned the photograph up in Photoshop, and I made it MUCH better looking, so you can actually SEE what's going on in the image.
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in soviet ukraine, microsoft uses linux?
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...to forgo potential open-source deployments. Go Linux and OpenOffice!
Not only is that guy already fired...but he will probably be sued. Bill Gates is making an official visit to this guy to kick him in the nuts.
What's so unusual about that?
This is already 2 days old.
yeah right
this sig is deprecated
Oh, so you want it to work! Well... (whips out openoffice) Tada! --microsofty
A strange game. The only winning move is not to play. How about a nice game of chess? - Joshua (Wargames)
YES! What an overwhelming win for the open source community! Sure to put us in the lead over Billy now!
:)
Hah, but really, it is a funny story
Come on, let's be honest here. How many times has Windows saved the day for a Linux application, or even install?
i.e. For myself, back when trying to install Red Hat 8.0 on my machine at home, I had to constantly reboot back into Win2K to download patches/rpms, or read up about bugs and errata, get network drivers, configuration minutae, etc.
It's stable now, but having a working (out of the box) Win2K install to fall back on was crucial to "save" my Linux installation.
Let's not be too smug here, would this have been news if they'd been bailed out by a different Windows version?
[MSFT-Tablet]"Damn, I am crapping out."
[lin-laptop]"I can save the day."
[MSFT-Tablet]"I will never be saved by riff-raff the likes of you. You are open source and therefore evil. I was created using millions of dollars in r&d capitol. You were made from donations, and other open source contributors, and are therefore an inferior product."
[lin-laptop]"Yeah, but I can do something you can't right now."
[MSFT-Tablet]"What's that?"
[lin-laptop]"Run your presentation."
I am Bennett Haselton! I am Bennett Haselton!
Is it more about the intel-based tablet PC than anything MS? May be Linux/OpenOffice will also crash on the same machine.
In related news... Pizza Hut was catering this event serving its now defunct "Pizzone" Shouts of "Pizzowned" could be heard from the kitchen.
and as expected, uses Latin letters (like most European languages). The presentation is in Russian (or Ukrainian). Russian and Ukrainian DO NOT USE Latin letters.
I'm getting them, and as you can see, I'm logged in. Mine was this: xdgtttx.
Hopefully that guy has already started his job search. I don't think Microsoft US is going to like this.
I'm sorry, but this just seems a bit too contrived. Forget for a second that this story would be all too easily faked (a couple of snapshots of a slideshow, and links to MS websites do not prove a story for me). The presenter just happened to have a live boot disk with him that had OO installed. And he just happened to be able to recover the doc from the Windows PC that was "experiencing trouble". I know if the tables were turned, no one on Slashdot would give a second thought to discrediting this story.
As much as I love to see egg on Microsoft's face, I call shenanigans on this one.
I devoted long hours to a PowerPoint presentation. In about hour 12 or 13, PowerPoint 2002 kept crashing whenever I tried to open the file. Unfortunately I did not have any previous revisions before the save which messed things up.
I thought I was hosed, but I tried opening it in OpenOffice and it worked fine. Then a friend suggested I run "Office Update". Once I did this, PowerPoint opened the file without problems.
Did this dude bother to update his PowerPoint?
. . .for when our shit don't work. It'll save your butterfly's arse. What would you like to boot that actually runs today?
KFG
Ukraine is (at least partly) in Europe. More so now after the orange revolution than before.
Now, can I have +2 karma points to get back to neutral karma, or is that asking too much?
Dawn of the Dead
I'm the sysadmin of a company of about 100. The other day I was in the CEO's office waiting to give him a presentation on the latest version of the Intranet. The boss came in very upset, he had been having some problems with his laptop and hadn't been able to boot into windows all morning. There was a very important document on his drive that he just had to have for a meeting later that afternoon. I turned off the projector and started to attempt to recover his documents.
First I tried Bart PE, a Windows XP bootable CD. It allowed me to see the hard drive, but the file sizes were all wrong. I tried to connect it to the network but it wouldn't recognize the network card. I tried plugging in a USB flash drive but it wouldn't recognize that either.
DOS was out of the question as the drive was NTFS. Then it hit me, I had a copy of Knoppix 3.8 on me. I booted it up and it saw the network and thumbdrive instantly. I saved the boss's files and he was very impressed. While I was setting him up on a spare notebook he was playing with the menus in KDE and we made small talk about governments and businesses saving tons of cash by switching to Linux, Open Office, and other free software.
So Linux saved the day for his poor broken Windows box, just a little ironic. Now this sysadmin is never leaving without a copy of Knoppix again.
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... it's clearly an operating system problem on the tablet, not a hardware problem. Linux to the rescue!
...us; another funny thing is that Microsoft proposed to sponsor the conference too but we decided to politely decline the generous offer) ;-) ;-)
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From the README on the site:
Intro
[...]
1. This is old news: the event happened on October 9, 2004.
2. Microsoft rep in Ukraine had to use free software to get on with a presentation on a free software conference since his munition failed to cooperate with projector.
3. See below (also posted to the places I could track down).
[...]
As for the facts:
* it was not Master but ALT Linux Compact 2.3 (page|ISO|ML)
* it was Third Ukrainian Free Software Developers' and Users' Conference
* it was sponsored by IBM, Novell and EMT (yeah, I work for
* it is the head of Microsoft Ukraine, Mr. Valery Lanovenko
* it is the Tablet PC which failed to feed the projector on the secondary head properly to blame
* and indeed it's OpenOffice.org on our Linux/ThinkPad running their PowerPoint presentation
* IMG_0395 has Mr. Lanovenko's personal comment -- he tries to make an impression that it was PDF (we as the conference staff recommended to keep those at hand) but all of us know OOo doesn't display PDFs
[...]
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Michael Shigorin
mike at osdn dot org dot ua
EMT.Com.UA * OSDN.Org.UA * Linux.Kiev.UA * ALTLinux.ORG
Raise your children as if you were teaching them to raise your grandchildren, because you are.
Did someone say using Linux is more expensive?
Get the facts M$
Well, of course they DID! They have to have a source of new ideas to steal, like, basing Office 14 on Java as well. That would be *really fast* ;)
The next generation of Windows after Longhorn will have a Linux kernel (or other UNIX-like kernel). Expect it by 2015.
"I have never won a debate with an ignorant person." -Ali ibn Abi Talib
I thought he said INOPERABLE!
It's easy to stand out when the general level of competence is so low.
"It just doesn't work" seems more accurate now.
I like muppets.
Reminds me of IBM using Amigas running the SCALA presentation program at. That was rather funny to us Amiga users when certain people told us about the superior nature of the IBM-compatible and how sub-standard our Amigas were.
"Eating your own dog food" -- using your own products internally, is a commendable policy, but it should not become the "not-invented-here"-syndrome -- rejecting better solutions just because they're from a competitor. IBM was just using the best product for the job. I doubt they've kept the Amigas running to this day though.
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i don't see it.
From the extremely sketchy details, it appears it was a hardware failure. Another machine (Linux) was already up and running, so they used OOo on that machine to run the PPT, instead of holding up the presentation while a Windows/Office machine was booted up.
Nothing about MSOffice failing to run or open the presentation, just a simple hardware substitution in the middle of a presentation.
Of course, I could be wrong, but that's what I get out of it.
I saw something similar at the 2003 Nebula awards in Seattle. Dr. Rick Rashid, founder of Microsoft Research, gave the keynote address. He had some video for us, but he couldn't figure out how to make Windows Media Player play through the banquet room's projector. All we got was a black square surrounded by that horrendous WMP silver-blob interface.
It was funny to see him squirm. Of course, someone in the back yelled out for him to "get a Mac!" We never did see the exciting video he promised.
Though his address was dull as dishwater--it dealt mostly in boring generalities that did nothing to excite either my IT self or my SF self--he did unintentionally demonstrate a primary motif of SF: that technology by itself isn't interesting--rather, it's the malfunctions that are interesting.
I figured the comments would be full of negative little "ha ha" moments.
But, if you've ever given a presenation, then you *know* how tough it can be. Demos and talks which have been working fine for days, weeks, and months have a way of suddenly breaking down when you need them most. Don't know why this is.
So, this guy (if this is true) did what he had to so that the presentation could continue.
Is that really something worth laughing at?
Plus, it just goes to show that not everybody at Microsoft feels the same way about certain... "other" technologies. Yeah, it might be a fine "ha ha" for other people at the company, but those of you who are pushing the OSS agenda should really be congratulating this guy for sticking his neck out.
And, had this been a presentation on some Linux subject and something had gone wrong with the presentation machine (Linux machines *do* crash, too, you know), then what would the presenter have done?
People are laughing, but many of us on the Windows side of things have no problem firing up an alternative operating system. We have our loyalties, but it doesn't mean we're all totally pig-headed.
- Rory [Microsoft Employee] | Free dirt: neopoleon.com
"Here's a picture!" He says.
That is just so wrong...
Somewhere a server is crying.
Cause everyone wants a free Xbox360
So Linux saved the day for his poor broken Windows box, just a little ironic. Irony is when the opposite of what is expected occurs. This is completely expected, and therefore not irony. In case it wasn't clear, that wasn't intended as a grammar police thing, but rather a "Ha-ha, Linux will always prevail, that's obvious" sort of thing.
"The irony is delicious!"
I personally prefer mustard with mine.
And we just haven't heard of them. I personally can recall dozens of times.
Microsoft might not like Linux but it will use it on the first good opportunity.
I am sure though, if that gets into the real press Micrsoft will hurry to tell how badly the OO rendered the presentation and how that projector sucked. Hell, probably the Windows machine crashed because the Linux machine was sending malicious radio waves to it.
This isn't the first OpenOffice Impress slide show I see people running in non-full-screen windowed mode. So, remember, F9 starts the slide show in full screen.
In Acroread, it's Ctrl+L. I learned this only after a two-hour presentation in windowed mode.
Disappointinly, you apparently can't get full screen mode at all in xpdf nor gv. I've seen a lecturer do his entire course with windowed xpdf under Linux.
"Back it in, slowly.....slowly....stop."
-Randy
The original article was at PCLinuxOnline and contains a lot more information. http://www.pclinuxonline.com/article.php?sid=9792
This definitely prooves beyond a reasonable doubt that MS sucks and Linux is the best. We can now finally rest in our ongoing struggle against this giant, evil monopoly that has plagued us for so long Way to go guys!
Anyone want to wager on how much longer that guy will be employed by Microsoft?
/., and something like this (if it can be verified as authentic) is a pretty black eye to MS.
:)
Ya know that MS must lurk @
That being said, I'm sitting here giggling with maniacal laughter just thinking about the whole thing.
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A guy from UK who does IT support was at Microsoft Shared Source(developers) conference in Ukraine? Sounds fishy to me.
Ok, not quite. But I've been doing my part to promote OOo by installing it on every machine in my extended family (more than I'd care to count at the moment), but I don't remove the usual MS Office apps. And I don't proslytise about OOo. I just tell them: "When Word or Excel explodes or does something really weird, just save what you have and open it up in OpenOffice. It'll work every time, and it doesn't do weird stuff without letting you know what's happening." I gotta say, more than half come back and say "Holy crap, this saved my ass, and it's FREE???"
My 10y/12y niece and nephew are getting refurbed Tpad 600's (almost done today), and they actually asked for OOo and knew about the built-in PDF feature. It ain't the world, but a kid in school showing his friends an-app-that-just-works(tm) trumps a huge advertising budget every time. That's why MS poured so much advert money into dislodging Apple from US schools. (Of course, for MS, this is the dime-bag method. For OOo it's a bit more altruistic...)
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I think not...(*poof*)
I don't remember the exact problem we were having in my lab, but someone was preparing to give a presentation which they made in PowerPoint on one of our PowerMacs. They took it over to a Windows box because the room for the presentation only had that available, and the damned presentation wouldn't load.
You can imagine the amount of cussing that ensued.
I don't have MS Office on my Windows laptop, but I do have OO.o, and lo and behold, I was able to open my labmate's presentation. But the real kicker is that I was able to Save as... and the file popped out in a format MS Office on the Windows box would read.
It was about the most bizarre file compatibility thing I've ever seen.
The presentation was on MS's "Shared source initiative. Perhaps the presenter did this on purpose to show that MS are not the evil linux-hating overloards we make them out to be?
Your point is kind of irrelevant, if you'd had a linux install instead of a 2k, you could have used that just as well... Whereas the MS person did had a simple nix install set up, or 2 windows installations (thank god.. cos thats fun :S)
MS Office is choosy on files (be choosey on what you accept - thats not how i remember it)
and linux could easily have been used of a random live cd... (which incidentally, you could have done as well)
Brain(s): 0.0% user, 1.3% system, 0.1% nice, 98.6% idle
Sigh...
You know, listening at this kind of stories makes me want to jump ships. My boss would have bitched all day about how unreliable the IT infrastructure of the company is, had it been his laptop the one to break down.
Even if I could have saved his files, there would be no apeacing for him, and would have gone on with his bitching.
Actually, DOS is not completely out of the question.
http://www.sysinternals.com/ntw2k/freeware/ntfsdos .shtml
Still, Knoppix is a better way.
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Cripes.
A presentation ... by the head of Microsoft Ukraine was almost ruined...
Well, after this, the future of the head of Microsoft Ukraine is most certainly ruined...
Not only is this last week old but it is hardly interesting. I can't tell you how many presentations I've given about Linux software that we've written using PowerPoint.
I've also emailed presentations that were written on Linux using OpenOffice and displayed on PowerPoint because someone forgot to bring the right laptop...
Yawn...
It seems people with good (excellent?) karma don't have to do it. Thats more reason to not post useless crap (like this :-D) so you don't get modded down into oblivion.
So shouldn't Microsoft have to release their presentation as open source now?
For the Record: The GPL is not Viral like that. Microsoft still has full legal rights to their content.
But it would be nice if someone challenged them, to force them to state that the GPL doesn't take away their independent copyrights.
Abolish Copyright. Restore Freedom.
For me, the process of recovering a virus-infected PC includes running clam-av from knoppix (in the hopes that it helps find anything that's seriously embeded in the OS, as a driver, etc.)
Sometimes boldness is in fashion. Sometimes only the brave will be bold.
This isn't too bad. But, I'll be more impressed when I see Gates caught with an iMac while on vacation to edit his home movies with. Or, someone spying Steve Balmer working out listening to an iPod. Forget necessity, that's explainable, like why Hotmail ran linux servers. Show me an example of clear preference, and you've got an MS film clip that'll make CNN for about a week.
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Someone actually used Coral Cache in a direct image link from a slashdot story?!?
... dogs and cats living together ... mass hysteria...
World... ending... pigs flying
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Of course, the best presentations didn't have slides at all. They used real examples, when appropriate and actually spoke, instead of reading slides. The keynote by Neal Stephenson was that way.
The wheel is turning, but the hamster is dead.
If what you say is true, it's not news and it just goes to show the power of free software. Everyone has to deal with legacy equipment using Winblows. Despite the great efforts by M$, using such equipment is not too difficult and happens routinely. Free software efforts have managed to decode M$ formats, a task which well funded companies were not able to do as well or as quickly. The ability of free software to keep up with that kind of crap is miraculous. Free software is able to deal with other people's stupidity and malice. As demonstrated here, relying on M$ to get things done is stupid, but it's possible that the Linux World Expo had crufty projection equipment and did not let anyone boot anything else. So what?
Microsoft's poor performance is a self inflicted discgrace. Despite their monopoly power over hardware makers, which results in every hardware maker on earth creating drivers for M$, M$ routinely fails to deliver. Recommendations of daily reboot, four minitue to own times when connected to a network and the BSoD the happens all too frequently are symptoms of M$'s inability to deal with their own anti-competitive complexity. They have put so many barbs in for everyone else, and have so long neglected real quality issues that their products are unstable and essentially unusable. We're not talking about any old schmoe here, we're talking about a Microsoft Representative who should have the best support and upkeep possible. When people like that, or Bill Gates himself, the blame is easy to place.
DMCA, Hollings, Palladium. What might have sounded like paranoia is now common sense.
The bottleneck ATM is the shaper, we enjoy sponsored colocation and hardware (by WNet ISP) and current outbound traffic is around 512Kbps.
Otherwise, our ALT Linux server that's serving you now is perfectly OK, given it's 4-way Xeon with a meg cache per CPU with a gig of RAM and SmartArray. So load average is more like: 0.19, 0.14, 0.12.
Here's a postcard from Apache (no nginx on top of it even ;-) -- 167 requests currently being processed, 8 idle servers (I've upped MaxClients from 150 to 250, hope it's enough for some time -- seen 180+ max today).
and here's top's top:
CPU0 states: 1.1% user, 4.4% system, 0.0% nice, 0.0% iowait, 93.3% idle
CPU1 states: 0.2% user, 0.2% system, 0.0% nice, 0.0% iowait, 99.1% idle
CPU2 states: 0.3% user, 0.0% system, 0.0% nice, 0.0% iowait, 99.2% idle
CPU3 states: 0.0% user, 0.1% system, 0.0% nice, 0.0% iowait, 99.4% idle
Mem: 1033300k av, 680024k used, 353276k free, 0k shrd, 4168k buff
346864k active, 246712k inactive
Swap: 522072k av, 2240k used, 519832k free 482032k cached
PS: we'll be doing 4th conference like that this October, feel free to contact me during next weeks if you're eager to travel to Kiev and roll a speech on Free Software!
Michael Shigorin EMT.Com.UA * OSDN.Org.UA * Linux.Kiev.UA * ALTLinux.ORG
Dude.
Too much [Wikipedia].
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"At a presentation on the progress of the linux kernel, Linus Torvalds Linux-based laptop it the dust. The presentation was saved by a kind audience member who volunteered his Windows XP laptop to finish displaying the remainder of the presentation." Ever seen this article? Of course not. It doesnt exist. and THATS why this is a big deal.
There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary and those who do not.
Yet another non-issue. Any machine, no matter what hardware or operating system, will have issues sometimes.
What makes this news? That the oh-so-hated ms had it happen as well?
Enter the zealots...
Did anybody checked this? It's old: http://paq.osdn.org.ua.nyud.net:8090/~mike/img/MS- uses-OOo/
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Serge
My karma is listed as "good", but I'm not special enough to not have to decode an image.
Posting this prolly won't help either...
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Well, anyway it is interesting that Microsoft has running linux machines standing around at places this close to public, makes me wonder how high the linuxcounter project goes within Microsoft.
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I had a similar experience when a user in my organization couldn't open an Excel workbook -- Excel 2002 crashed whenever the user tried that specific XLS file. I checked first that Office XP was fully patched (it was); then I opened the offending file in Calc and identified the problem: a column which normally contained a simple formula somehow got corrupted. Instead of the formula, there was a long string of gobbledygook in each cell in that column. I replaced the string with the correct formula, saved it in XLS format and voilá! The user thanked me and I informed all of the IT support folks to keep a copy of OpenOffice handy for just such an occasion.
Sometimes I have to say to hell with it and just eat my jellybeans.
It must be nice to be caught in a reality distortion field. There is no excuse for Linux World presenters not to be using Linux/OSS for their presentations. The "projection equipment" is not dependent on Powerpoint - it simply uses the VGA output port. BTW, this story is a hoax. The last time it supposedly occurred in September during a joint MS/Novell conference. But dont let reality creep in!
Facts (below)
As for the facts:
You bet there was some debate afterwards but no tomatoes flying (which was quite the fear of Mr. Lanovenko's coworkers) :-)
Shameless plugs
BTW, there's going to be 4th such conference this autumn (first weekend of October), you're welcome! (details at the conference site, see above)
Michael Shigorin EMT.Com.UA * OSDN.Org.UA * Linux.Kiev.UA * ALTLinux.ORG
it's possible that the Linux World Expo had crufty projection equipment and did not let anyone boot anything else.
It's possible, but not true.
One developer (yes, well-respected developer) simply stated (expecting flames) that Power Point was better and said he would not take any questions on that during his presentation.
Though that was a few years back. The last time I saw him at LWCE he was using a Mac with some other presentation software.
"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge"
- Charles Darwin
There were more than 250 participants at this conference.
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The name of the MS representative was Valeriy Lanovenko.
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Then I guess it wont help to tell you that the next week on our quarterly conference call I received the quarterly champion award complete with glass trophy. Find a job where the boss is an old fortran guru.
Im dreaming ofa big bndwdth, That can resist the
This song should of been playing during the background of that presentation.
... don't you
____________________________
An old man turned ninety-eight
He won the lottery and died the next day
It's a black fly in your chardonnay
It's a death row pardon two minutes too late
Isn't it ironic... don't you think
Chorus:
It's like rain on your wedding day
It's a free ride when you've already paid
It's the good advice that you just didn't take
Who would've thought... it figures
Mr. Play It Safe was afraid to fly
He packed his suitcase and kissed his kids good-bye
He waited his whole damn life to take that flight
And as the plane crashed down he thought
"Well, isn't this nice." And Isn't this ironic
think?
Repeat Chorus
Well life has a funny way of sneaking up on you
When you think everything's okay and everything's going right
And life has a funny way of helping you out when
You think evertyhing's gone wrong and everything blows up
In your face
A traffic jam when you're already late
A no-smoking sign on your cigarette break
It's like 10,000 spoons when all you need is a knife
It's meeting the man of my dreams
and then meeting his beautiful wife
And isn't it ironic... don't you think
A little too ironic.. and yeah I really do think...
Repeat Chorus
Well life has a funny way of sneaking up on you
And life has a funny funny way of helping you out
helping you out
I can confirm that the text of the presentation is written in the Russian language (my mother tongue).
n/t
Is this really worth anyone's time? Big deal, a machine broke down and an alternative was found. Does this really count as noteworthy outside of the relatively low "ha-ha" factor?
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"It is our choices, Harry, that show what we truly are, far more than our abilities." -- Prof. Dumbledore
An employee suggested to me that we load Knoppix on a few machines here as an evaluation. I was skeptical at first but he explained the benefits of using it for rescuing lost files from Windows. So I decided to let him install the OS onto 5 machines to see how the users got on. Besides, our OpenBSD servers had been running fine up till now, why not try it on the client machines?
Once he'd got the machines up and running with Knoppix we let the users try it out. It all seemed fine to start with: Openoffice comes with file locking disabled and the users could still corrupt important documents as normal.
Alas it did not stay that way. Our sysadmin fixed the locking problem. After a few days, I had lost count of the number of complaints received from users who could not find the helpful programs they were used to (Bonzai Buddy even!??) or games they could not play that they previously could on Windows. The final straw came when one employee recovered several hours work after Word suddenly had an error reading from our database and corrupted his project.
I made the employee uninstall Knoppix from the machines and lets just say he's not with us anymore.
So somebody in the IT staff didn't plan ahead and make sure that all equipment was working properly before a meeting took place and this is news? Headline should read, gay IT staff can't get projector working...
...would be if MS would actually start supporting the format they helped create (OASIS).
"...Well, there's egg and bacon; egg sausage and bacon; egg and spam; egg bacon and spam; egg bacon sausage and spam..."
Yeah, so if I make an image GIMP of OSS developers using Windows/commercial software, and make up some story about how it saved the day, slashdot will post it and peopl will believe it?
You failed the Turing test.
Get your Unix fortune now!
...that you needed to download updates, etc. you probably had hardware that wasn't officially supported under RH 8.0 to begin with.
Something about listed hardware and OSes runs through my mind right at the moment...Oh yeah...
"You shouldn't expect anything that is not on the list to work."
I am not merely a "consumer" or a "taxpayer". I am a Citizen of the State of Texas
"I doubt they've kept the Amigas running to this day though."
Nah, not with Scala running on PC's - even I switched over to that. I think the main difference with eating your own dog food / not-invented-here is that the balance changes when you're talking about open source.
IBM's attempt to use what they promote is commendable, as is Novell's. The beauty of this particular approach is that code from within or without can serve to better their own product and that's what's exciting to me. Even if IBM/Sun/Novell's in-house product was allowed to become staid, there are always others out there dilligently modifying the original code, adding features, fixing bugs, etc.
As an example of this cross-pollination, look how IBM has started to embrace OpenOffice.org - that's an example of how companies are starting to 'get it'.
"...Well, there's egg and bacon; egg sausage and bacon; egg and spam; egg bacon and spam; egg bacon sausage and spam..."
Mac people seems not to understand something very fundamental --- THEY HAVE NO RIGHTS TO DISLIKE MICROSOFT! If anything, their position of supporting a platform that only the hip and fad uses is more repulsive.
Oohh boy cant wait for all of them :)
:)
But seriously, OO saved the day when over 90 pages Word file crashed MS Word 2000. My coworker was honouring me like a god until the next release of office came out and was overtaken by "pretty buttons". Now he has the same s__t again
No more I say.
OMG.. AN IMAGE ON TEH INTERWEB !!
THIS HAS GOTTA BE SOO TRUE !!
Golly.. Lets gather around and talk about how bad Microsoft Windows is!!!111one!!
although there was a slight "ha ha" factor in this story... Why's this news?
I'm a firm supporter for open source projects and alternative operating systems but common.. THIS IS NOT NEWS? I normally carry a knoppix cd and/or UltimateBootCD & DSL with me not only to save a windows machine from disaster but in those times where either linux crashed as well or I messed it up (usually the later). I'm sure that there are a fair no# of people who do the same. It's called plan B! Any good sys admin, computer guru or person who has had a hd, os, etc.. mess up on them will have one
Hey man,i couldn't help but be touched by your story.
If true (and I assume it is) you deserve a big raise, not to a stern talking to for using 'non-approved' software.
I'm sure you're paid pretty well, but don't you think there's a better place for your talents?
Thank you Dave Raggett
Why is this so shocking to anybody? All you have to do is to generate a Powerpunt presentation using a MAC then transfer it to a PC. At BEST you end up with a presentation with MANY misinterpreted fonts and symbols. I routinely resort to opening "broken" powerpunt presentations in Open Office then resave them as powerpunt to recover them. I have found that if I stay on the same computer and operating system (ie winders) then Symbols and Fonts problems become almost nonexistent.
when my laptop (running mandrake 9) crashed while I was attempting to give a presentation on the benefits of leveraging opensource technologies in our applications. Turns out it didn't like the video source being switched to a projector. Nonetheless talk about embarassing and no I'm not making this up. I'm a huge linux/opensource proponent but this story is just one-sided.
it IS interesting. I have been salvaging bad diskettes and corrupted MS files for a few years using a Linux machine. Works almost every time and you wouldn't believe how happy it makes the kids that almost lost their final term papers because they can't afford a thumb drive.
What's the deal?
Why do some Linux geeks have to respond to the parent's post with: "Oh, well, I didn't have that problem when I installed MY Red Hat 8.0, really it's pretty easy. I played starcraft, downloaded pr0n, and brushed my teeth while I installed Red Hat."
It's obvious that you condescending dorks have something to prove...get a girlfriend, then you can brag to her about your Linux skills.
Parent's post was an individual annecdote. It should be taken as such, and not as some kind of rant against Red Hat. He/She obviously knows how to get things done w/ a computer.
Thank you Dave Raggett
I'm married with four kids. And whenever I get too long winded on an anti-microsoft rant, my wife starts crying. That means it's time to get back to the real world. She understands the social and political aspects of open source, but not the technical. The book that really helped her understand was "The Joy of Linux".
Her favorite famous geek is Richard Stallman - because he is focused on long term goals of freedom and social justice, explains them in non-technical language, and doesn't get hung up on the technical issues of the day.
I'ver yet to open an office document of any real commplexity in oo and have it render correctly. Even worse, excel charts are just gone.
Vote for Pedro
xbox360 is using IBM chips, Apple wants to use Intel chips, and MS is using openoffice and linux for their presentations. BIIZAARRROOOO WORLD!!!
Well, my thousand words are up!
A bad analogy is like a leaky screwdriver.
Careful now, IBM will opening call-centres there next!
Gentoo Linux - another day, another USE flag.
How can I now allow this man
To hold dominion over me?
This desperate man whom I have hunted
He gave me my life. He gave me freedom.
I should have perished by his hand
It was his right.
It was my right to die as well
Instead I live... but live in hell.
And must I now begin to doubt,
Who never doubted all these years?
My heart is stone and still it trembles
The world I have known is lost in shadow.
Is he from heaven or from hell?
And does he know
That granting me my life today
This man has killed me even so?
The real point here is that there was a working alternative available; in this case, it was a non-MS product. If OOo did not support the MS file format, this presentation would have died.
The real point is this shows one practical utility of open file formats.
Computational Chemistry products and services.
score YOU -1, sometimes being three steps ahead means being one step behind
Thank you Dave Raggett
So the messenger used by MSFT to deliver their propaganda was a linux laptop running OO.o.
The content, however, was that MSFT's Shared Source initiative brings something useful to developers -- which it cannot do because MSFT's SS is far more viral than GPL could ever be.
IMHO, OO.o needs to work on a reality checker plug-in that detects bullshit propaganda in the content, and perhaps changing the background color similar to the USA's DHS Threat Level color chart.
It would need to be an optional plug-in, since it would otherwise render OO.o completely unsuitable for certain corporate and government use. Either that, or else a diagonal watermark across the offending text: "Nothing to see here. Move along."
Knoppix has saved me a few times. I can honestly say that it was the only thing I came out of my operating systems (read: Unix / Linux) course with, that has been of any use. Everything else was just pro-OSS / anti-MS diatribe.
I'm all for teaching people the value of MS alternatives, but adopting a holier-than-thou attitude in regards to yourself -vs- Windows users isn't how to ingratiate people to your cause.
Thankfully, Knoppix -- and other distros -- are good enough products that they've allowed me to ignore the Linux zealots and continue trying out the various OSS products I come across.
As far as the story goes; good showing on OO's part, but hardware issues can affect anyone. Don't get too cocky.
Using when I am stuck with a hardware problem.
... Microsoft Windows XP saves the day.
- Combo Printer/Scanner that won't work.
- Internal/External Dial-up/ADSL modem
- Palm OS that won't synchronize via USB.
Sad but true.
And more importantly, you were able to demonstrate to you CEO why he may not want to be held hostage to Microsoft.
I'd like to hear now from those who keep saying that Linux is only suitable for servers and web services.
If he had Windows (pick a version), it would have worked just as well on that IBM Thinkpad, too. The problem is faulty hardware...tablets and pdas just aren't durable enough for software that requires the dependability of timed presentations. Linux products would fail if installed on the Tablet as well...if they 'ever' get there.
The geek shall inherit the earth.
this wasnt meant to be funny, its true
Even the microsoft peole cant trust there own machine now.this really is a cool news . microsoft sucks linux rocks
Two weeks, without warning, would be an incredibly short time for any large migration let alone major servers. Given that they've been unable to port Hotmail off of BSD and on to their own crufty products for going on a decade, I think that the proxy trick is more likely than real migration.
Beta is broken and the link to classic doesn't work. Stop wasting our time or there won't be anybody left here.
Oh, no. FLAME!
No more I say.
Well, I remember that DB2 uses double quotes to denote id. With double qutoes you can use spaces inside id's, keywords as id and last not least id's become case sensitive (without double quotes they are converted to upper case).
So quoting id's is quite usefull. Only It should have been:
Karma: SELECT "karma" FROM "users" WHERE "userid"=138474;
nice one!
there is another way as well IIRC, you can take the windows install CD and boot into the cmd prompt from there in order to try to retrieve files.
if (!signature) { throw std::runtime_error("No sig!"); }
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